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Your Userpage/AN

I'm glad I was able to help out, even if only a little bit. It did end up to be a productive discussion, I think, and I hope it proves useful in the future. As for your userpage, it appears to have been protected in December by User:Nick, citing privacy concerns (diff). I've unprotected the page, so you should have no further problems editing it. Please let me know if I can be of further assistance. Best, UltraExactZZ ~ Evidence 16:50, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, really. Unfortunately, so far this discussion is productive only with you, independently from the fact whether you agree or not with me - at least there is an exchange of explanations between two human beings, which is generally called communication. It's amazing to have so many other users privileged with rights of administrators who still do not have anything to say, nor to explain.--Moldopodo 16:53, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Moldovan-Ukrainian relations

I think I see what happened here. You started an article at Moldavian-Ukrainian relations, which Flueras redirected to an identical article at Moldovan-Ukrainian relations, claiming that Moldovan is the correct term. I don't know which is which, so I can't speak to the name issue - but would that article (which looks substantially like the version you had before it was redirected, thus), work for your planned expansion? UltraExactZZ ~ Evidence 18:03, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

It looks like Flueras was blocked as a sock of Bonaparte. FYI. UltraExactZZ ~ Evidence 19:25, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Blocked with no justification as of 6 June 2008

≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 21:12, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Moldopodo (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

and the diff with due explanation are.... absent?

Decline reason:

Not a request, and there is a link. weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 22:31, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

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Moldopodo (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I request to have an explanation of the block with the proper justification providing a diff. I also would like to know what this weburiedoursecretsinthegarden kind of explanation is? Also why it is allowed for an administrator User:Gutza to be obviously uncivil in my regard and how my edits are considered uncivil when no diff is presented by the blocking admin (nor by the reviewing admin either) to justify his/her decision? Has any admin given hersel/himself 10 minutes to see what is going on really? Also, please, could you pexplain me, as per administrators' discussion board, how did the name of the section "Accusation of canvassing by User:Neil disappeared? Looks like I am the only one who provides diffs and justifications here. Is this a new rule on Misplaced Pages?

Decline reason:

You want a diff? You got one. The conduct and/or misconduct of other users is irrelevant to your block, especially when there's ArbCom-imposed restrictions involved. —Daniel Case (talk) 13:52, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

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See also:

• Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Digwuren#General restriction
• Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Digwuren#Enforcement by block
• Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Digwuren#List of editors placed under editing restriction

— Athaenara ✉ 14:02, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

See Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Arbitration_enforcement#User:Moldopodo.2C_again ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 01:47, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Formal notice

See Digwuren restriction and Digwuren warning. Cease making any edits which are judged by an administrator to be uncivil, personal attacks, or assumptions of bad faith, especially in East European related articles or you will be subject to said restrictions. While I know you were alreayd listed there, thought I'd remind you. — Rlevse • Talk • 10:07, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

User:Rlevse' Hypocrisy

Please, User:Rlevse, how do you explain me that blocking someone (myself) for using the word wicked describing obvious bad faith editing of another user, violating 3 revert rule, and others such as civility (as per Divurgen arbitration on Misplaced Pages) and simply basic societal etiquette

and

on the other hand, yourself, in the quality of neutral, impartial and knowledgeable wise administrator calling other users with unfounded accusations=insults / names ,  ?--Moldopodo 20:02, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Another suggestion

I want to write a new article about Bessarabia under Romanian rule (1918-1940). Maybe in next two days left of your block you could gather some material about that period's abuses.Xasha (talk) 15:38, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for letting me know. As of now, I am really not ready to take care of it, but would be most interested when I am more into the subject ;)--Moldopodo 17:58, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Moldavian-Spanish relations

A tag has been placed on Moldavian-Spanish relations, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Misplaced Pages. This has been done because the page appears to have no meaningful content or history, and the text is unsalvageably incoherent.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion. To do this, add {{hangon}} on the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag) and leave a note on the page's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself.

If the page you created was a test, please use the sandbox for any other experiments you would like to do. Feel free to leave a message on my talk page if you have any questions about this. andy (talk) 14:14, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

The page is never perfect, be it in my sandbox or somewhere else. There is plenty of info to add, namely on economic cooperation, for example. However, there are such notions as good faith and common sense. If you think that stating that there is no common border between Spain and Moldova means no relations, then following your reasoning you should delete all articles on bilateral relation for countries not sharing a border as well.--Moldopodo 16:31, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

By the by, the adjective form of "Moldova" is "Moldovan" (it's "Moldavian" for "Moldavia") - can we clear up this situation by having all these articles at "Moldovan"? Biruitorul 16:59, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

By the way, the adjective form of Moldova may be both Moldavian and Moldovan. That is what was cleared up, so there is no need to rename all articles, just like did the banned user, sock of Bonny, whose edits were all reverted by admin. --Moldopodo 18:28, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, of course those edits were reverted, but it could well be Bonaparte was correct. 20,000 vs 1,180; 535 vs 130, with many of the latter referring to pre-1991 entities. I'd be happy to ask a third party to look into the issue, if you like. Biruitorul 18:34, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Project Moldova link

Hello! Just to tell you about that newly created articles about Moldova can have the {{WPMoldova}} in the top of the discussion page, in order that other developers in the project be informed about its existence. You can check if your articles contains it. Thanks! --serhio 11:17, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Kestia cu Moldavian

Moldopodo, de ce esti asha de rau pus? De ce nu ai admite ca "Moldavian" ca inregistrare a limbii ISO a fost facuta din necompetentza a organelor de certificare?! Eu ash admite ca varianta corecta "Moldovan", deoarece e dat de mai multe dictionare ale limbii engleze. Nu am nimic impotriva "Moldavian", insa nu prea am de unde sa iau exemple credibile din dictionarele limbii engleze. --serhio 12:58, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Criminalidad romena en Europa

Puoi evitare di inserire l'articolo in tutte le wiki, visto che poi (giustamente) te lo cancellano? L'articolo è xenofobo, inoltre fare così equivale a spam. Grazie --Ignlig (talk) 17:46, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Can you avoid to insert tha article in the wiki all over the world? also becouse it's a spam and the article is razzist. thank you. --Ignlig (talk) 17:46, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Replaceable fair use Image:RomanianmigrantsinUK.jpg

Thanks for uploading Image:RomanianmigrantsinUK.jpg. I noticed the description page specifies that the media is being used under a claim of fair use, but its use in Misplaced Pages articles fails our first non-free content criterion in that it illustrates a subject for which a freely licensed media could reasonably be found or created that provides substantially the same information. If you believe this media is not replaceable, please:

1. Go to the media description page and edit it to add {{di-replaceable fair use disputed}}, without deleting the original replaceable fair use template.
2. On the image discussion page, write the reason why this image is not replaceable at all.

Alternatively, you can also choose to replace this non-free media by finding freely licensed media of the same subject, requesting that the copyright holder release this (or similar) media under a free license, or by taking a picture of it yourself.

If you have uploaded other non-free media, consider checking that you have specified how these images fully satisfy our non-free content criteria. You can find a list of description pages you have edited by clicking on this link. Note that even if you follow steps 1 and 2 above, non-free media which could be replaced by freely licensed alternatives will be deleted 2 days after this notification (7 days if uploaded before 13 July 2006), per our non-free content policy. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? J Milburn (talk) 19:34, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Replaceable fair use Image:RomaniansinFrance.gif

Thanks for uploading Image:RomaniansinFrance.gif. I noticed the description page specifies that the media is being used under a claim of fair use, but its use in Misplaced Pages articles fails our first non-free content criterion in that it illustrates a subject for which a freely licensed media could reasonably be found or created that provides substantially the same information. If you believe this media is not replaceable, please:

1. Go to the media description page and edit it to add {{di-replaceable fair use disputed}}, without deleting the original replaceable fair use template.
2. On the image discussion page, write the reason why this image is not replaceable at all.

Alternatively, you can also choose to replace this non-free media by finding freely licensed media of the same subject, requesting that the copyright holder release this (or similar) media under a free license, or by taking a picture of it yourself.

If you have uploaded other non-free media, consider checking that you have specified how these images fully satisfy our non-free content criteria. You can find a list of description pages you have edited by clicking on this link. Note that even if you follow steps 1 and 2 above, non-free media which could be replaced by freely licensed alternatives will be deleted 2 days after this notification (7 days if uploaded before 13 July 2006), per our non-free content policy. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? J Milburn (talk) 20:15, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Re:Romanian crime in Europe images

Please read our non-free content criteria. These images could be replaced by free images, and are basically just decoration anyway- they aren't adding much to the article. As such, they fail two of the points. Of more concern is you reverting my edits without comment. I do NOT appreciate that. If you are undoing good-faith edits, you should always explain why you are doing so, so as to avoid edit warring. J Milburn (talk) 20:24, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Do not be short with me. You have already thrown my edits aside without a glance, the least you can do is be polite when you are asking for my help. The images are replaceable. I live in England- I know some ethnic Romanians. I could easily take a picture of them and upload it here. That's why that is replaceable. The other is less replaceable, as it is of something a little more specific, but an image of ethnic Romanians in France (even ethnic Romanians acting illegally) could be taken or staged. In any case, that does not change the fact that the images are decoration- readers get little from the images. It's not like the article would be any worse without them as, say, an article on a piece of software would be without a screenshot. Finally, there are BLP issues here- are these people going to appreciate pictures of them being in an article about criminals? J Milburn (talk) 20:50, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

What do you mean short? I simply asked if you consider these images replaceable, please replace them with the same images ("same" meaning images depicting the context of the article). I am sure, not onl I think, that these images are irreplaceable. It's not like I go out on the street in Moldavia and meet an illegal Romanian immigrant ready for a picture taken... Besides in the picture depicting Romanian immigrants in the UK, no face is seen, they all are turnedwith their backs. Also, I have uploaded a smaller resolution picture.
As for the other picture, again, I really honestly doubt that you can replace this French picture as well. It can be seen that it is unique, as it is depicting illegal Romanian immigrants training in their camp, playing the role of handicaped to learn how to beg for money on the streets at the same time. Are you really serious, when you say "this picture is replaceable"? How do you imagine to take a similar picture? Besides, your claim of persons being frustrated of seeing their own pictures really surprises me. First of all, the picture is in such a small resolution, you can hardly distinguish who is a man and who is a woman. Secondly, just between us, do you really think the people on that very picture ever touched a keyboard?
I also saw you voting to delete the article Romanian crime in Europe with your following argument relating to Romanian friends you have in UK, so I do not think you can judge impartially, whether these images are replaceable, decoration, etc, etc... --Moldopodo 21:02, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

I am not going to discuss this further with you until you start being civil and stop jumping at shadows. Stop accusing me of things. Stop assuming bad faith. J Milburn (talk) 21:17, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Please, be civil, I have not accused you of whatsoever, but only resumed your recent actions. If there was one that was falsely described by me, please let me know. Nevertheless, you have not produced any justification or exlication how these pictures are replaceable and how they are a mere decoration, nor how they offend persons taken in them? --Moldopodo 21:21, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

It's not too difficult. They are replaceable because a free image could easily be aquired that would illustrate the article- a photo of other Romanians, a photo of a known Romanian criminal, something like that. They are decorative because the readers' understanding would not be any less without the images- they do not help understand the text. They are in violation of our policy on biographies of living people because you are implying that these people have committed crimes (by placing images of them in an article about crime) when we have no evidence that they have. What part of this do you not understand? J Milburn (talk) 14:16, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Please replace the pictures with equivalent depicting the same thing pictures, it is not too difficult as you say.--Moldopodo 19:39, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Please read our non-free content criteria. The images do not need to be replaced, they need to be replaceable. This is moot, as the images have now been deleted anyway. J Milburn (talk) 20:42, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

The images were deleted for one simple reason: you ahve deliberately deleted them from the article knowing that they are under "fair use" license. That's why they became orphaned. that's why tehre were deleted. In the meanwhile you have failed to prove your allegatiosn that these images are replaceable. If you purport calling them "relaceable" - then you must have a justification and a proper explanation how they are repalceable. You have never done this, unfortunately.--Moldopodo 20:48, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

You're wrong on both counts. To quote the deleting administrator (Future Perfect at Sunrise) the images were deleted as they were "obviously not fair use", not because they were orphaned. Secondly, I clearly have provided an explanation of why they were replaceable, and other reasons as to why they fail our non-free content criteria and other policies. You are welcome to contact another editor who has a good knowledge of our policies to verify this, if you wish. J Milburn (talk) 21:01, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

It's astonishing to see you filling in this talk page without any regard to my questions still remained unanswered. How concretely these images are replaceable and all the other questions I asked you before. If your principle is simply to have "the last word", although never responding yout interlocutor, you may write another answer here. Unfortunately you have failed to explain yourself and answer any of my questions, although I have re-asked the same questions many many times, here and there, and yet no answer from you.--Moldopodo 14:28, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

I explained to you in my second comment here, and several times since, as anyone with a modicum of intelligence can see. I don't know quite what you hope to achieve by insisting I didn't. Furthermore, it is evident that at least one other user agrees with me, as shown by the fact the images have been deleted. Honestly, what do you hope to achieve? It's interesting that you accuse me of insisting on having the last word when you continue to argue the toss despite the fact that the images have been deleted, and continue to be confrontational and argumentative elsewhere- anyone who comments in support of deleting your slug-fest of an article on Romanian crime can expect an immediate essay in response, telling them that (despite clear consensus to the contrary) everything they have said is wrong, and that they are being uncivil. Frankly, some scholarly argument about the replaceability of stolen images pales in comparison to the discussion you are heading towards regarding your conduct. J Milburn (talk) 15:49, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Please remain civil when you continue to argue the toss , anyone who comments in support of deleting your slug-fest. The problem is that you have not provided scholarly argument about the replaceability of stolen images . Interesting, why do you call these images stolen? They appeared in major European newspapers. And the funniest thing is that I'm certainly not the one who writes essays here. Please have a look at the length of your comments, none of which provied a single answer to my simple clear questions.--Moldopodo 18:43, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Accusing people of incivility does not make your comments any more convincing or any less offensive. If you do not know what 'stolen' means, look it up, I am not your own personal dictionary, and I do not want several days of answering your question then having you ask it again, insisting that I have not provided it. I could provide evidence that your comments are the essays, but I won't, because you'll just ignore it. I am past the point of discussing this with you, and I have arrived at the point of offering you simple advice. If you heed my advice, there is a chance you will not find yourself blocked. If you do not, you will wind up being discussed at the noticeboards and blocked, or even banned. Here is my advice to you-

1. Realise that Misplaced Pages is not somewhere to act upon your grudges. We follow a neutral point of view, and will not tolerate abuse of others.
2. Continuing to argue when consensus is blatantly against you will not get you anywhere. People will just start ignoring you.
3. Misplaced Pages takes copyright very seriously. Any non-free content must conform to our non-free content criteria, and a failure to adhere to this policy will be treated just the same as if you damage the project in any other way.

If you choose to take my advice, then I applaud you, and welcome you to the project. If you choose to ignore it, then it is obvious where your loyalties lie. I am not going to discuss these images with you directly any further- if you genuinely believe that they should have been kept, you should raise the matter at deletion review or contact the person who actually deleted them. J Milburn (talk) 20:08, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Please answer my questions. Thank you in advance. I know you know the big words, but it's irrelevant here--Moldopodo 21:06, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

If you are not satisfied with my explanation, you are more than welcome to instead consult Future Perfect at Sunrise, or take the matter to deletion review. J Milburn (talk) 21:31, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Questions - Answers

User:J Milburn, it is useless to speak on something else, when I asked you precise questions. Besides your reference on "consensus" regarding deletion of Romanian crime in Europe seems rather strange to me, where numerous users expressed their deisre to keep the article with precise arguments and suggestions of improvement. Anyway, let's get back to the point. I see you keep writing comments on my talk page, but always aside of answering the questions. I admit, you might be lost finding them through all this, often irrelevant, comments. So, I decided to help you and put them together as clearly as possible. I hope you will provide answers with personal input, meaning that it is not enough to invoke a mere Misplaced Pages rule, but what is even more important is your perosnal reasoning applied exlcusively and concretely to the images and questions about them in question. I hope this will spare your time, but it also looks like you have plenty of it, taking in consideration precedent irrelevant comments. Please, answer my questions.

I have been quite clear that I have said everything that I intend to about the images- if you genuinely believe they should be restored, you can go to deletion review or talk to Future Perfect at Sunrise, who was the one who actually deleted the images. However, if it will help you to answer the questions like this, as you seem to feel it will, I will provide answers to the other questions. Finally, I feel your opening comment was incredibly patronising, which is somewhat ironic. Please do not patronise me. J Milburn (talk) 23:01, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Just a quick answer: I truly appreciate your answers and apologise for the unfortunate wording of my opening which made you think of "patronisng" you. Believe me I have no intention to teach you whatsoever. I only wanted to kindly re-ask you to answer my questions please. Looking forward to your answers. And at the end of this message I do put an intentional serious smiley :-) I'd love to see some of these signs from time to time on certain Misplaced Pages disussions, in the healthy spirit of understanding and constructive collaboration. Thank you User:J Milburn.

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Your recent edits

Hello, Moldopodo. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding your disruptive edits to the AfD discussion about Romanian crime in Europe. The discussion can be found under the topic Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Disruptive_editing_on_AfD. Yours, andy (talk) 23:54, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Final warning

You are on a final warning - any further edit-warring, particularly along nationalistic lines, and you will be indefinitely blocked. This includes the cut and paste moving of articles to "Moldavia" rather than "Moldova". Any further creation of POV nonsense articles about the evils of Romania, and you will be indefinitely blocked. Any further disruption of AFDs, and you will be indefinitely blocked. The problems you cause, directly, with your incessant disruptive editing take up far too much time of far too many people. On a number of occasions, now, you have managed to convince admins to unblock you by promising to stop edit-warring, and then promptly going back to edit-warring a few days later. Neıl 龱 08:22, 19 June 2008 (UTC)