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Reason for edit

I don't understand what you left on my talk page. I'm not a new editor, I just don't have a username as it is not required. You stated that my edit was not "constructive," but the reason for my edit was placed in the discussion page quite clearly. I consider removing unnecessary fluff to be rather constructive. Since you did not post a reason for keeping it, doesn't that make your change nonconstructive? I'm not interested in getting into an editing battle, because I really don't care that much, but please give a reason for keeping a section talking about parallels in a video game when it doesn't even pretend that Metropolis was an influence... wait! I got it, I will make a compromise. 24.196.146.119 (talk) 04:56, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

81.178.103.117

You left a block notice that gave no reason. He requested unblock. Yet the account has never been blocked, either directly or as part of an autoblock or rangeblock as far as I can tell. What's going on? I declined since you can't unblock someone who isn't blocked. Daniel Case (talk) 23:58, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

That block is from 2007 ... ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 00:17, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Protection

Hi. I think you should extend the protection on Fatimah because the dispute might last for a while because of its sensitive nature and some users might go ahead and remove the 12+ sources and replace the section with one that that fits their belief system. Enforcing Neutrality (talk) 21:19, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Verifiability

I did discuss on the talk page a week or two ago and only got an incoherent reply: . So I've started a new thread... please reply with something more than "unneeded" if you're going to revert me to keep this language out of the policy. --Rividian (talk) 02:17, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

The response you got from The Transhumanist was spot on. You may want to ask for clarifications, if you think it was incoherent. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk)

It was utterly pointless to me... can you explain it without talking about zen and other nonsense? I'm really supposed to leave inaccurate, unsourced content in articles to "achieve Wiki-Zen"? I seriously doubt that's what Jimbo intended with his quote in that section, which says "There seems to be a terrible bias among some editors that some sort of random speculative 'I heard it somewhere' pseudo information is to be tagged with a 'needs a cite' tag. Wrong. It should be removed, aggressively, unless it can be sourced." --Rividian (talk) 02:23, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

I have responded at WT:V ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 02:26, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

BTW, Jimbo's comment was specific to WP:BLPs ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 02:27, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

No it wasn't... his comment says "This is true of all information, but it is particularly true of negative information about living persons." So you're exactly wrong... if it was only about BLPs, he would have said it is "only true of negative information about living persons" --Rividian (talk) 02:29, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Read the quote. He refers to I heard it somewhere stuff. Is there anything in WP:V that does not allow you to challenge material and delete it if sources are not forthcoming? ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 02:39, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

The language "editors may object if you remove material without giving them sufficient time to provide references" which was what I was trying to clarify. --Rividian (talk) 02:47, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Fatimah

Please re-protect the article. User:Itaqallah went on and removed a large section using a dishonest edit summary. Enforcing Neutrality (talk) 21:02, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

71.141.114.187

He's requesting unblock, and a couple of people at the talk page can't see what the vandalism is. Neither can I. Can you explain this? Daniel Case (talk) 02:52, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

I've been searching, and so far as I can tell, the IP is quite right about the image in Radar (song) ... it's fan art, not an official cover, and doesn't belong in the article.
Kww (talk) 03:37, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

OK. My mistake again... ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 03:40, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Proposal

I'm proposing to put you on trial for the Misplaced Pages crimes you perpetrated against me. I am giving you the chance now to do the right thing and resign as an administrator here on Misplaced Pages or alternatively promise not to use your administrative functions against me ever again. Just get an uninvolved administrator if you think my behavior warrants you behaving as police, judge, and executioner. I have started the process WP:ANI#Please tell Jossi to not deal with me. I can move forward with WP:RfArb if you'd prefer.

ScienceApologist (talk) 22:18, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

I think that, if SA is so upset about it, leave him alone. Ask another admin to look over it - there are eighteen hundred more. Sceptre 22:42, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism

Hello Jossi, you may recall you mistakenly blocked me from editing the other day, due to suspected vandalism. Thank you for subsequently unblocking me. I'm now asking if you can tell me how one goes about alerting or contacting a Misplaced Pages administrator of vandalism being done by another editor. Specifically, in this instance, IP 193.120.116.178 (please see my history for my reverts of vandalism by this user done today). As you will see, this user has a long history of vandalism, and I am concerned that this user will continue to vandalize Misplaced Pages. As such, in the future, I would like to be able to alert an administrator when this activity is taking place, if you can advise me of how to do this. Thank you in advance for your reply. 71.141.114.187 (talk) 22:20, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Further . . . I had sent a message to this user stating "I have requested that you be permanently blocked from ever editing Misplaced Pages pages, due to your destructive and juvenile vandalism of pages. Until such time as you are permanently blocked, I will monitor each and every edit you make, and revert said edits unless you immediately provide verifiable reference source to justify your edits." This user has just left a message on my talk page as follows: My Worthy Foe - I accept your challenge. Give me a few moments and then the games will begin. 193.120.116.178 (talk) 22:20, 2 July 2008 (UTC). 71.141.114.187 (talk) 22:25, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

You can place a report at WP:AIV ≈ jossi ≈ (talk)

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Referencing in Tibetan Buddhism

Thanks for looking in on the article, Jossi. Please don't mind that I've restored the references to the places where they were before. The reason is that each one refers to a different word in the phrase. Two references each refer to specific words in the phrase. The references are the native language terms for each one and the words they refer to are the translations in English, which some scholars may not recognise if they use different sources. The references need to be in different places because the things they refer to are different. The third reference is to neither of them, but to the dichotomy of the two of them. I've reworded the phrase to try to make it a bit less confusing, but combining the references will only create more confusion.

So far, others seem to have gone along with this way of doing things. It was there like that for ages in material there that was just in note form. My recent change actually just amplified on those notes. If you're still unhappy, please post something in the Talk page. I am keen to find out how to improve the article.

Moonsell (talk) 11:31, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Will reply there. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 16:52, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Please help with Shituf

I am writing this to you because you have edited articles on Jewish subjects in the past. There is currently an RfC on the talk page of this article .

You can view the difference between the contending versions of the article here: .

The page is currently protected from editing for 5 days, but the end result of the article depends on what consensus, if any, is reached during those 5 days. Please help with this RfC. -LisaLiel (talk) 22:05, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Living People Patrol

In view of your edits to Misplaced Pages:Living People Patrol, you may be interested in Misplaced Pages:Biographies of living persons/BLPWatch. -- GregManninLB (talk) 18:50, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Talk pages

I find it difficult to converse with you because you keep deleting my comments. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 20:40, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Excuse me? What are you blaming me for this time? ·:· Will Beback ·:· 21:44, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

So where did Current Biography Yearbook go? It appeared to me to have been deleted during the page and source shuffling. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 22:03, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

You appear to be implying you're going to lodge a 3RR violation report against me. Please note your own reverts:

• 15:37, July 5, 2008
• 19:50, July 5, 2008
• 20:01, July 5, 2008

• 01:41, July 7, 2008
• 12:07, July 7, 2008
• 12:09, July 7, 2008
• 12:11, July 7, 2008
• 12:11, July 7, 2008
• 12:28, July 7, 2008
• 19:40, July 7, 2008
• 19:42, July 7, 2008
• 19:44, July 7, 2008

That's not even a complete list. I suggest calling a truce rather than pursuing this through channels that could get you blocked as well. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 21:07, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

These are not reverts, and you well know it. Please self revert ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 21:09, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Mine weren't all reverts either. Let's just drop it and call a truce. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 21:12, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Will, you know that you f**ed up there. You know that you claimed I am edit warring, while you were doing the same and WP:OWN that page. And now you call for a truce? OK, fair. Then please self revert and leave at least the section names as of my last edit. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 21:15, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Please be civil and calm down. I'm perfectly willing to allow neutral section headings. Do you reject a truce? ·:· Will Beback ·:· 21:18, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

That fight over there got on my nerves, granted. Sure, I am for a truce: Simply add to the section names the number of sources and their provenance, as in "1972-1975 38 press sources, one book" and so on. OK? ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 21:20, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

If we know for sure what the "provenance" of the source is then we could, though I don't see the point. However not all authors of books are scholars. If you wanted to distinguish books from preiodicals that could be done with some neutrality, though note that some scholars publish in periodicals, while some journalists write books. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 21:24, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Assistance

Thank you for your instructions re: re-insertion of relevant source material that had been removed from the Joseph Smith children page during what is correctly characterized as an edit war. I'm sorry to need additional assistance, but could you please further explain the process I need to follow? Thank you. Best, A Sniper (talk) 06:22, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Please become familiar with Misplaced Pages's dispute resolution process. You have there all the guidance needed to get help from the community to resolve content disputes. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 16:00, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

I may be new but..

I tried to site good sources. Trust me they are there. Maybe a little help here would be in order. I noticed that my links went elsewhere. The facts are solid and so are the references. Maybe I should specify better? I'm learning here.Bitchen b (talk) 04:15, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

As a matter of fact, the google results for Slyvia Browne show that Mr. Lancaster's page ranks just above the Misplaced Pages page and just below Browne's own page. Bitchen b (talk) 04:21, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Please read WP:SOURCES ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 15:58, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

You're being talked about

Here. My spiritual master didn't like hypocrisy or backbiting. You're in the plus-side on both counts, and I'm trying to stay there -- or may be get there -- myself. --Nemonoman (talk) 17:35, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

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TomKat

Hello As you have made comments of the discussion page of the TomKat article, it would be greatly appreciated if you would contribute to the debate on it's Articles for Deletion page. Thanks! http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/TomKat

Fatimah

Hi Jossi, I wanted to bring my earlier proposition to your attention regarding dispute resolution on the Fatimah article. ITAQALLAH 11:25, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Civility

Do you think commetns like this are helpful and civil?

• When did you made any useful comments and proposals? Last time you did any research?. Zero so far.

Please remembver that civility is a requirement, not an opition, and that this topic is on ArbCom probation. Comment on the edits, not the editors. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 19:29, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

• • Facts are facts and have nothing to do with civility or lack of it. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 20:06, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
    • If this is the way that you think incivility should be responded to then why do you want me to bother posting a complaint about incivility on another user's talk page? Or is it that incivility from you doesn't matter while incivility by others should result in penalties? Please explain. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 20:56, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
      • My comment was not uncivil. I stated a fact: a person has not contributed any proposals or made any research. OTHO, telling an editor that he/she may be suffering cognitive dissonance, is a personal attack. I am surprised that you do not see the difference. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 21:16, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
        • Ah, so if the other user says that he was simply stating facts then it's OK to be uncivil? Why make a point about research - is there a lack of research on this topic? What was your reason for asserting that another user hadn't added any research to the topic? ·:· Will Beback ·:· 21:22, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Do me a favor, Will, and check the contrib list of this user and tell me if what I said is not a fact. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 21:29, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

• That wasn't my question. Why did you feel the need to state this "fact"? What purpose did your comment serve? ·:· Will Beback ·:· 21:48, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Because this person is not being helpful in any way or manner to this project. Sitting on the fence and making flippant comments about editors that are working hard thorough a difficult mediation, is trolling. Just check this person contrib;s list and take a cursory look at his/her edit summaries and "contributions". Trolling indeed.≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 21:57, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
    • So, in your opinion, condemning a person for not being helpful isn't uncivil? It's OK when folks complain about other users, so long as it's arguably factual? But if that's your standard then I guess we're all free to comment on the contributions, helpfulness, and tone of other users without it counting as incivility. Too bad that Misplaced Pages policy sets a different standard. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 22:12, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
      • What is, Will, in your opinion the purpose of this project? Maybe when you think about your answer, you may find some understanding of my position. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 22:16, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
      • FYI, I have asked this user several times to make useful contributions, to roll his sleeves as others are doing, etc. But it seems that he/she is not interested at all. So, yes, sometimes we come across users that are not willing to learn or to change their ways, and in these cases calling a spade a spade, is appropriate. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 22:19, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
        • And you're OK with the same "call a spade a spade" standard in regards to your own participation on Misplaced Pages? If users have asked you to do something several times and you haven't changed your ways then it's OK to make remarks about your failure to meet their expectations? If not, then what's the difference? ·:· Will Beback ·:· 22:55, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Have you two considered mediation? It may yet prove useful. Antelan 23:08, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Antelan for the suggestion. But we are already in a content dispute mediation which is the one that is creating he friction you are observing. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 23:47, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

OK, understood. Best of luck to the two of you. Antelan 23:49, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

If you have any suggestions as to help reduce the friction between me and Will, I would be very interested. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 00:10, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Deletion candidate?

Please see Ram Bagh, Agra, created today, and compare to Ram Bagh. Not sure how the process works.--Nemonoman (talk) 16:54, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

• never mind, I did a redirect. --Nemonoman (talk) 18:34, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

deletion spree

Hi Jossi. Two editors, Wikidas (talk · contribs) and Ism_schism (talk · contribs) have gone on a nominating-articles-for-deletion spree. They are nominating some obviously notable and well-referenced articles. They are workling in tandem and voting on each other's nominations. Can you take a look whether what they are doing is kosher? They seem to be concentrating on New Age figures for some reason. I say the articles should be speedily kept. — goethean ॐ 13:51, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Your message

Your message to me asks about the reasons. But in each case reason is different and each of them is stated in the particular case. Thank you for you concern. Maybe you can express your views individually in each case? That would be the norm. Wikidās ॐ 15:40, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

I am not an inclusionist, but it seems that a deletion drive is a bit much. Rather than AfD a ton of articles, maybe tagging them first and allowing other to the some research (or doing some research yourself) would be a better way to improve the pedia. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 15:54, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree, I only afd'd only like 3 or 4 this month. Like Kaupina for example. Wikidās ॐ 16:34, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Allegations of apartheid deletion notification

Some time ago, you participated in a deletion discussion concerning Allegations of Chinese apartheid. I thought you might like to know that the parent article, Allegations of apartheid, was recently nominated for deletion. Given that many of the issues that have been raised are essentially the same as those on the article on which you commented earlier, you may have a view on whether Allegations of apartheid should be kept or deleted. If you wish to contribute to the discussion, please see Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Allegations of apartheid (fifth nomination). -- ChrisO (talk) 17:50, 12 July 2008 (UTC)