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If you are here to register a complaint regarding my edits, before doing so please note: There is a very clear policy regarding the use of non-free images. This policy is located at Misplaced Pages:Non-free content criteria Read this talk page and its archives before registering your complaint. It is likely someone has already registered a similar complaint, and that complaint will have been given an answer. Read the policy Check and make sure the image has a valid source Make sure that the image has a valid Fair use Rationale (A guide can be found here) I will not add rationales for you. As the uploader it is your responsibility, NOT mine. I do not want to see images deleted All images must comply with policy A generic template tag is NOT a valid fair use rationale. If you're here to whine and complain that But <place image name here> is just like my image and isn't tagged for deletion I will tag that image too, I just haven't gotten around to it yet.

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		The Original Barnstar
		Because of your repeated kindness and willingness to help others when nobody else will even know about it, I sincerely thank you. You've helped me build an army of... well, I'll just leave it there. :-D east.718 at 01:16, December 16, 2007

James Amann

Removing criticism from a politician's article leads one to believe there's an agenda here —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.9.141.78 (talk) 00:31, April 5, 2008

Human.svg

Hi Betacommand, can you give me your thoughts as to whether Image:Human.svg is a free image or not? In favor of it being free, it's a copy of a work made by the US government. On the other hand, there is a copyright claim on this particular image ("SVG Copyrighted 2005 by Gregory Maxwell.") What do you think about this one? Thanks, Antelan 17:27, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

If I may butt in here, freeness is not really at issue, it's just a choice between public domain and GFDL. If one were to argue that Gmaxwell's SVG adaptation is an unoriginal derivation (like a photograph under {pd-art}), then it's public domain as a NASA work; if we accept that Maxwell has copyright on his version, it's GFDL as he stated when uploading it. (see the edit summary of the uploads.) Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:22, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Quite right. Thanks for the heads up. Antelan 03:17, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

AN thread

I'm sure you were probably following the thread on WP:AN, but I wanted to leave a note saying I closed it. Please let me know if you think my summary doesn't agree with the comments left by others. — Carl (CBM · talk) 03:07, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

just to avoid the obvious issues with LC have never been started by me, I dont watch him, but he seems to stalk me. hopefully this will end that. β 03:09, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Edit comparison

Would you be willing to run one of these for Lar and Kelly? Thanks. •Jim62sch• 22:01, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Whilst anyone can run them, I'm not sure there's much point here. There's one clear difference in those two - one of them has clue, the other doesn't have much at all. Ryan Postlethwaite 22:06, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, just to clarify, anybody who has access can run them, which is not anybody. - Rjd0060 (talk) 22:17, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I have access, and seeing as it will only use publically available info, I've gone ahead and run it, I'll be uploading it to my userspace in a minute. MBisanz 22:19, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

The results are here. MBisanz 22:22, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

VandalProof

Hi! I've been waiting for VandalProof approval for almost two month now, and I'm starting to get tired of waiting and wants to know when this is going to be adressed by the moderators. Thank you for your answer. --MrStalker  08:27, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

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Excuse me

What disruptive editing are you referring to? I asked a question and asked for a bit more explanation. I wasn't rude, and I wasn't impolite. I asked for clarification. Maybe you could start off by explaining why images that I upload cannot be displayed on a page of my images.
And maybe, you could actually offer a tad more good faith. You've been here a while, you know the WP:BITE stuff. Maybe use it. - Hexhand (talk) 15:38, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

how about get a clue and read the linked policy. Non-free content is not allowed in userspace. it was clearly removed TWICE under policy. your actions are clear vandalism and ignoring the non-free content policy. Further breaches will result in a block. As for BITE its a strawman argument. β 15:47, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

You're completely correct that non-free images are not allowed in userspace, but calling Hexhand both disruptive and a vandal rather than giving a detailed explanation why not is indeed biting a newcomer. New editors don't automatically grasp every detail of image policy and when they get it wrong they need it outlined in a patient and friendly manner why. Templating them with block warnings and calling them a vandal is exactly what WP:BITE was written to discourage. Euryalus (talk) 21:50, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Im sorry if you think that is BITEing its not. WP:NFCC#9 Restrictions on location. Non-free content is allowed only in articles (not disambiguation pages), and only in article namespace, subject to exemptions. (To prevent an image category from displaying thumbnails, add __NOGALLERY__ to it; images are linked, not inlined, from talk pages when they are a topic of discussion.) was clearly noted in the edit summary. if you actually read why it was linked you would understand instead of blind reverting. Im sorry if you dont want to read policy its not my fault. Clearly ignoring policy is disruptive and will result in a block. I was just clearly stating it so that he would get the message since he obviously ignored the notice in the edit summary. β 00:48, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Eh? I'm not clear who you're replying to above. I do understand the policy which is why I noted you were correct in your application of it. I haven't reverted anything, blindly or otherwise. I'm also not suggesting you didn't refer him to the policy page, just noting that its sometimes helpful to give more guidance than this and draw explain why the policy says what it does. I note you don't think you were BITEing Hexhand - I disagree but am happy to leave this here now we've both had a say. Euryalus (talk) 01:37, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Maybe you could take a moment and simply help me to learn, BetaCommand? I mean, if you are simply too busy to do that, then maybe you are too busy to be calling folk disruptive, etc. I pointedly asked why/how I could add the images in - noting that may other folk maintain galleries of images they uploaded. It was ignored, and then I received your nugget of good faith. So yeah, there was more than a little bit of teeth in your comment. If you want people to act in accordance to the rules when they clearly don't know them, the best advice is to help them to learn, not threaten them for not knowing them as well as you do. I am going to let it pass - everyone has a bad day, or assumes the worst sometimes - you could have handled it better, but then, maybe I could have as well.

Now, might I impose upon you to explain how I can keep the images in my user page gallery without breaking the rules. Pretty please? - Hexhand (talk) 01:14, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

WHY DONT YOU READ WHAT I POSTED NON-FREE CONTENT IS NOT ALLOWED IN USERSPACE UNDER ANY CONDITION. WP;NFCC#9 Restrictions on location. Non-free content is allowed only in articles (not disambiguation pages), and only in article namespace, subject to exemptions. (To prevent an image category from displaying thumbnails, add __NOGALLERY__ to it; images are linked, not inlined, from talk pages when they are a topic of discussion.) WHAT ELSE DO I HAVE TO DO TO GET YOU TO READ THAT? β 01:17, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Maybe adding a far calmer attitude to it? (ie, you are grown-up enough to know that using all caps is like shouting, and when folk shout at you, do you find yourself more or less likely to learn anything other than the impression that the guy yelling is making an ass of himself?)

I was asking how I use nowiki and nogallery to display the image (thumbnail or otherwise) without breaking the rules. I read NFC#9. I get it. I am asking you to calm down, take several deep breaths (if necessary) and respond to a request for help. If you are unprepared/unwilling/unable to render it, maybe you could suggest someone else of calmer disposition who might be able to do so. - Hexhand (talk) 01:27, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Just as a note to Hexhand, you can link to the images (but not have them displayed) anywhere including userspace via using a preceding ":" in the link, eg ] is perfectly all right. --MASEM 01:23, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Okay, thanks Masem. I am now understanding that all I can do is link to the images, but bc they are nonfree, I cannot display them outside of article space. Is that an accurate assessment? - Hexhand (talk) 01:28, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes. I will note, however, that if that is the images' only use, they will still be targetted for deletion as non-free images need to be used in at least one mainspace article. I don't think this is a problem for yours but just a point to consider. --MASEM 01:35, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Of that I was aware. I have been reading up on NFC since BetaCommand was so very kind as to left-handedly point them out to me. NFC#8 seems to be tailor-made for disputes as to interpretation, but that might be a conversation better suited to my or your talk page. BC is apparently done shouting at me today - just kidding. ;) Seriously, BC, try to be more helpful; you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. - Hexhand (talk) 04:12, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

• This thread has led to a thread on WP:ANI. Just thought you should know. Enigma 08:14, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Civility is not optional

Hi Betacommand,

Perhaps you could find a better link than the very terse text of WP:NFCC, to explain copyright law, fair use, and the reasons for our restrictions on using it? It seems the problem here was that the user in question didn't understand the link and wanted a more thorough explanation, and you just kept repeating yourself — with more aggression every time. That is not an acceptable way to treat any user, let alone a new one.

I see a lot of merit in calls for blocking on ANI, because you have been warned repeatedly about assuming good faith, civility, and newbie biting, but I don't see what good it will do. But your behavior is unacceptable to the community, and you need to find a way to avoid that; the rest of us have no action we can take except to block you, and that's not in anybody's interest. If nothing else works, maybe you should consider asking other users to help you explain things? -- SCZenz (talk) 08:55, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

SCZenz, you're not helping. Leave. When someone is annoyed, the last thing you do is "HEY! YOU'RE NOT BEING NICE!" Civility is not some hardass holy rule. -- Ned Scott 09:06, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Nor are you helping by acting as an enabler. Beta is annoyed - why - over some images. He's not been subject to abuse by the other person, who has politely requested confirmation. Civility may not be a hardass holy rule, but when beta continually bites people then it's an issue. Beta needs to address the issues of why he gets so annoyed and his poor communication skills. People have tried to work with beta on these issues for a long time to little end result. Minkythecat (talk) 09:11, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

My apologies, I assumed this message came after the block, which is why it struck me as unnecessary (did you get the memo about the TPS report?). -- Ned Scott 09:24, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Blocked

In view of the thread above, the length of your previous blocks, the discussion on WP:ANI and Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Betacommand 2#Remedies, I have blocked you for a week. Civility is not optional for all of us, no ifs and buts.  Sandstein  09:08, 28 July 2008 (UTC)