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I'm inviting your comment

Here (and also, if possible, here?)  ${\displaystyle \sim }$ Justmeherenow (  ) 05:13, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Please delete my account

Can you please delete my account and all my files please

Thank you

Freakishmedia (talk) 22:41, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Early close on Lists of Dungeons & Dragons monsters

That was unexpected but appreciated - and thanks for the page move as well. I don't remember, but you may have been one of the admins to whom I talked to about these lists previously, and who helped me with restoring edit histories and such. Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of Advanced Dungeons & Dragons 2nd edition monsters‎ may not be heading for a snowball close though, but we'll see where it goes. BOZ (talk) 14:30, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

I believe this was inappropriately closed. There was genuine discussion happening here and I don't see what is gained by closing it early. Perhaps you would like to reopen it? MSGJ (talk) 15:01, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

It would be a shame to have to take it to DRV. There are several reasons why this was a bad close, as I'm sure you can recognise. Cheers, MSGJ (talk) 18:23, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

I am disappointed, Sceptre, that you decided to ignore my messages. Anyhow I have reopened this AfD debate and I would ask that you be more careful about applying speedy keep in future, as this one certainly did not meet the guidelines. Best wishes, MSGJ (talk) 03:14, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

+Rollbacker

 Done per a note on my talkpage confirming the off-wiki discussion with MBisanz. Rollback is no big deal, and after a week and a bit, and an acknowledgement of a genuine misunderstanding, I'm willing to return the tool, with the proviso that any admin may remove it without consulting me. Fritzpoll (talk) 22:13, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

MyWikiBiz

As someone who thought this article should be recreated, closing it early seems like a really bad idea given the massive history and strong emotions concerning this issue. Better to let it go for the full time and then be closed by an admin. JoshuaZ (talk) 23:51, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Image resolution

Hi Will. I reverted the scaled-down Time Crash image, as it degraded the image in the infobox. I tend to use 512 as the default format which should meet NFC without problems. Each image I upload has the best attainable quality by using custom gamma- and sharpening levels during scaling. Simply scaling it down again caused the image to blur even more, and this particular frame was already suffering from considerable motion-blur that was very hard to supress. Hope you don't mind. — Edokter • Talk • 21:43, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Juan Luis Vives

Could you please comment on this? Thankyou. Srnec (talk) 16:45, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Dr Who table

Would you like to at least look like you want to work it out on the talk page or shall we go back to dueling fixes? At least until J smacks up side the head?

- J Greb (talk) 01:04, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi

Hope you're feeling better. I removed a speedy tag from Shmuel Herzfeld. The article definitely contains some notability claims. You could try AfD? Anyway, thanks for tagging. --Dweller (talk) 16:09, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of Terracon Consultants, Inc.

I was working on the page and had just saved it so as not to lose all the research I was putting in; you nominated it for speedy deletion and I put a "hold on" marker on it. I had just pasted my rationale into the talk page when it indicated that it had been deleted already. This happened over the span of 3 minutes.

If you want to delete a page for lack of notability, and you want people to explain why it is notable, you need to give them a chance to do so. Otherwise, it's like that Mitch Hedberg joke -- "you know what I like? Mashed Potatoes!" . . . Dude, you gotta give me time to guess.

I'm going to recreate the page and hope that you give me 4 1/2 minutes this time because, I assure you, my contributions to Misplaced Pages so far have been nothing but constructive, positive, and worthy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JJEagleHawk (talk • contribs) 17:43, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

ANI

Hello, Sceptre. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. --MBisanz 12:39, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Rollback removed

Having been the one to return rollback a few days ago, I have now removed the tool on the grounds that there are various examples listed by editors indicating that the basic tenant of WP:ROLLBACK, to revert only blatant vandalism has not been followed. Just as it is no big deal to have rollback, so it is no big deal to remove it. Since I am presently not very active on-wiki, any administrator may, of course, override this with good cause, so should you wish, please appeal to another administrator or at WP:PERM Fritzpoll (talk) 14:03, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Block

Unfortunately I am blocking you for the disruptive edits by this user, based on evidence from Checkuser. I find it highly unlikely that any of the usual possibilities might apply. To do so, you would have had to had a visitor or family member who, on multiple occasions far after midnight in your location, used a computer at your home that you were actively using (in some cases 2-6 minutes both sides), to post anti-Giano and anti-Kmweber disruptive vandalism on the wiki as an IP, following which your IP resumed editing as a logged in account.

As you are well aware, I and others are trying hard to get the message across to Giano, a respected editor, that if he doesn't act up with others, he won't have undue attention taking him away from things he enjoys. Your harassment, especially petty juvenile harassment/vandalism/disruption, is exactly what is not needed, and in posting those posts, you have made all our activites here more difficult without any positive benefit whatsoever, and wilfully stressed and harassed another editor. This was completely inappropriate, harmful, and antagonizing.

If you will affirm to the community that you will do nothing disruptive, and especially nothing related to Giano or Kmweber, then I leave it to the community to decide when, whether and on what terms you should be unblocked.

As an aside, I also noticed some rudimentary experimentation with IP cloaking when I was looking at this case. You edited from *.adsl-dyn.* and from *.no-dns.* in June and July. This suggests a possible view towards deliberate concealment of activities. Briefly: if you were thinking of it, just don't.

FT2  15:20, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

A note to the community: the checkusers and arbitrators looking into the main Frostie Jack sock ring, have quite a lot to look at on their hands, hence the delay. They're still sifting the evidence there. I had a quick look at this aspect, and feel this at least can be decided (and should be), rather quicker. It is not clear to me whether there is a connection between Sceptre and this large sock ring, or no connection. Any admin reviewing the block should be aware of both possibilities. FT2  15:20, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Sceptre (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

It's boggling that, when evidence was sent to the arbitration committee about a month ago showing Kmweber wilfully harassing several prominent editors, it was ignored. While I do admit to the Kmweber vandalism (78... is my static IP) it is in no way harassment. It's just frustration over how much Kmweber is allowed to get away with. The Giano vandalism was for the same reason. I request the arbitration committee investigate the harassment claims and sanction him if necessary, regardless of whether their authority is seen as legitimate by him.

Incidentally, FT2 has a history of sanctioning users without offering to ask them for their defence; cf Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Orangemarlin. This block should not have happened without first contacting me, if only as a common courtesy to an editor who has shown dedication to the project and was just annoyed.

By the way, I've not used proxies or IP cloaking. Any checkuser on my account should resolve to BT (my school's ISP), Orange/PlanetOnline (my old ISP), or BeUnlimited/O2. I was in Belgium in late July-that explains the belgacom IP, and I assume that the keme.net IP was the internet cafe that I sometimes use. I have never even heard of Frostie Jack before today; that's just an unfortunate coincidence that he vandalised in Giano's userspace. Please overturn this block. Sceptre 15:48, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Decline reason:

Per the below comments - appeal should go through the arbitration committee directly, I assume via their mailing list arbcom-llists.wikimedia.org. — Rjd0060 (talk) 16:02, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

(edit conflict) A few minor corrections: 1/ While adsl-dyn is plausible, few normal locations have an IP of the form "no-dns" (the other one), though it's possible. 2/ I am unsure that being the user who posts for others, on a matter where the poster has recused, makes a "history of" claim viable. You'd do better to try not to attack the messenger, especially on inaccurate grounds. It doesn't usually work. 3/ Blocking is routinely used for harassment, vandalism and wilfully disruptive edits, on identical terms as above. But you know this. Ie, smokescreen. 4/ Block left to the community to opinion upon. FT2  15:59, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

On first glance, it appeared to be as if you were doing this alone. Which, you know, you shouldn't do. Sceptre 16:01, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

He's not. You're digging your hole deeper. Vandalism to harass, which you've admitted, is just not on. As for the big Frostring, do you really want that dug into further? Be careful what you ask for. I like you Sceptre, but I'm very disappointed. This is beneath you. ++Lar: t/c 16:43, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

In my opinion, those IP edits from here merits a long block. That's harassment sceptre - you harassed Kurt and Giano in those two edits, and logged out to obscure your identity. Regardless of the Frosty Jack case, this on its own is extremely serious in the communities eyes. I'll being it upto AN to see what the consensus is, but I'm not hopeful. Ryan Postlethwaite 15:55, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

It's not harassment, it's vandalism. I expected to be reverted on the edits almost instantly; it was a stop-valve to stop myself blowing up on my main account. The community doesn't know what genuine harassment is, and so label actually harmless edits as a concerted effort to stalk someone. Sceptre 15:59, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Sceptre, they are much the same thing. You don't get to make steam-blowing edits and expect someone to revert them, cleaning up your mess - I am frankly aghast that you would even make such a suggestion. You have stated that you made the edits via IP so as to not draw attention to the behavior with your normal account; you d realize that that statement clearly admits that you were trying to separate yourself from your comments, which is cause for being smacked by the blocking stick for an exceptionally long time. We can people for that sort of nonsense. Sceptre. Harassment is not a quantity issue; you either harass a person or you do not. Lastly, there is nothing harmless about harassment; suggesting it is such rather indicates your unwillingness to admit you were wrong which, i think is the only way to actually save yourself at this point. I have a lot of respect for you, but you are wrong, and your behavior is lessening that respect. - Arcayne () 16:12, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

This is not harassment. Please don't dispute to me, of all people, what is. Sceptre 16:15, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

"Of all people"? Dude, I know you meant that as a kick to the chops, but you rather reinforce my point: I do know what harassment is, as I've been the target of such and have been accused of such. As well, its just common sense. If you aren't prepared to say something with your own account and identity, don't say it at all. Essjay, for all of his clusterfuckery, did suggest that before you hit the Enter key, ask yourself if what you are posting furthers the encyclopedia. Your posts didn't, and I think you know they didn't. When you need to blow off steam, go for a walk, play a video game, read a book: you don't post harassing comments. This is not rocket science, friend. - Arcayne () 16:24, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

There was a quote on Misplaced Pages Review that made me laugh when I mentioned a few weeks ago Kurt had been harassing: "SlimVirgin's idea of harassment, or actual harassment?" (inferring one isn't and one is). I know the difference, and this is the former. It's vandalism, but not harassment. Sceptre 16:28, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

While I fully endorse FT2's block, I suggest an appeal on this should go to the Arbitration Committee. Sam Korn 15:59, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Not clear to me why the community can't handle this - and probably far more satisfactorily? FT2  16:06, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

The community can review the situation with the acknowledged logged out edits, as long as you don't bring Frostie Jack into it. If you want to include Frostie Jack, only checkusers and arbitrators can see the relevant IPs and evaluate the possibilities based on the technical details. Thatcher 16:25, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Ahh.. okay, makes sense now. No, the point of mentioning it is, some users have connected the two, and I myself have no knowledge of that. Sceptre has been blocked by me, purely for his IP edits above, nothing more. Any communal review, or reviewing admin, needs to know the status quo, that some have made this connection to a sock case, and I cannot say it is, or is not, so. As far as I'm concerned I blocked only for the disruptive edits.

(So for example, an unblock might have to be conditional, or "wait and see what happens" or "deal with the IP edits now and if something else comes up deal with that separately".) It seemed important since some had drawn the connection, to clarify what exactly the position was as far as I know, for review, otherwise there might be argument over it. FT2  16:35, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Reviewing admins might also consider the evidence at his RfC in deciding how to handle this request. MBisanz 16:04, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

• I do not see any technical evidence that Sceptre is connected to the Frostie Jack sock ring, other than the fact they all appear to geolocate within a circle of 50 mile radius on an island that is 150 miles wide. Thatcher 16:06, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

  Thank you. I just checked the thread on Misplaced Pages Review... whoever Frostie Jack is, he's similar to, but actually not, me. For one thing, the Accrington Stanley and Mary Whitehouse references indicate someone in their 30s or 40s. Looking at edit pattern overlap here, I can distinctly remember editing 2008 Christmas special (Doctor Who) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (rumour control), The Stolen Earth (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (FA), Dalek (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (maintainance), Cyberman (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (GA fixes), List of Doctor Who serials (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (FL), Gothic metal (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (mediation) and maybe Bonekickers (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (I like the show). Any other is coincidental. Sceptre 16:15, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

To anyone who's watching the page: I regret vandalising Kurt's user page. I was annoyed, and it wasn't the best thing to do. But I won't apologise specifically because I'm being requested to - any apology now would make it seem hollow and forced. If you want an apology, please don't ask for one. Sceptre 16:22, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

You are confusing an apology with an unbidden willingness to admit you were wrong, that you lost it and acted uncharacteristically dunderheaded. If you cannot admit you were wrong, apologies indeed would ring hollow, and they would likely be the last thing we would ever hear from you, as you would be banned. We aren't here to prod you with Klingon pain sticks - we want you to walk the path yourself. - Arcayne () 16:28, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

I admitted that I regret vandalising Kurt's user page, but I won't say the word "sorry" because it would be forced by people. A forced apology is insincere, and I'm trying to be sincere here. Sceptre 16:31, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

But dammit, I like Klingon pain sticks! But seriously, Sceptre, you fucked up, just admit it unequivocally and let us move along; it's not being forced if you're still doing it for proper reasons. I can't finish that Hugo featured topic with you blocked :) Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs 16:32, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Linking this to MBisanz's endorsement on ANI: I know what I did was wrong and I won't do it again. I think the apology can be inferred from those two, without saying sorry. But if people want me to actually say the word "sorry", I'll do it now: I'm sorry for vandalising Kurt's userpage and it won't happen again. Sceptre 16:38, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

I'll comment on this as a character witness. Sure, Sceptre made a mistake, all editors can lose it from time to time. I think that more should be weighed on what he has done on wiki. He does not seem to be the type that just vandalises and makes a mess for everyone else; he has done some fine work. Maybe a warning or loss of privlages for a short period would be a better option, we don't want to lose productive editors. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 16:39, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Support shortening the block based on Sceptre's commitment to "not do it again" and apology, which I choose to believe. Block's aren't punishment, several of those IP edits are old (but do warrant a block as they are deceptive and exceptionally cruel). Blocks prevent disruptive behavior/harassment. Sceptre says he won't do it again. I move for either a "time served" notation in his blocklog and unblock, or a continued block for no more than 48 hours total duration. We aren't "preventing" anything here, other than preventing Sceptre to keep true to his word to cease and desist. Keeper ǀ 76 16:50, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

To save splitting of discussion, I suggest taking the relevant points to the WP:ANI thread, and then coming back here once a consensus has been reached. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs 17:04, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

I suggest the opposite, someone should close the WP:DRAMA thread, it should never have been opened. (for no other reason really than out of fairness to Sceptre - seeing as he can't respond to anything on the ANI thread...) This is an unblock request, an unblock/stay blocked discussion. It doesn't need to be on the drama-board. Keeper ǀ 76 17:05, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

(crosspost to ANI, please) I think MastCell and Keeper have hit the nail on the head here. It was a terrible mistake and I regret it. I'm not the first, nor will I be the last, editor to vandalise while logged out when annoyed. I think blocking me with no warning or defence, for a tenuous claim for harassment (four edits does not harassment make - my intention was to vandalise the page, not to harass Kurt). About 30 months ago, I did engage in harassment of another editor (which I regret as one of the biggest mistakes I've ever made, and consequently apologised a thousand times), and the matter was deferred to Jimbo. Jimbo considered banning me, but was courteous enough to contact me to say "please don't do it again" - if I promised, he would take no action. And I've been true to my word. I have not engaged in wilful harassment since. If a checkuser emailed me privately beforehand to explain myself in regards to the vandalism, I would've admitted to it and said I wouldn't do it again. Sceptre 17:08, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Also, can you look after my FLC until I get unblocked, David? Sceptre 17:08, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't want to have to repeat this again and again. This is not harassment. Personal attacks? Yes. Vandalism? Yes. Harassment? No. Harassment is constant and never ends. Harassment destroys people utterly until they have no trust left. Harassment leads to inconsolable depression and anxiety. Harassment drives people to self-harm and suicide. Don't equate two or three instances of name-calling to be the same as this. Sceptre 17:27, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Unless I'm missing something, you've had issues with KMWeber for weeks, if not months. D.M.N. (talk) 17:31, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, as a result of his harassment of other people, people I like very much. I don't have "issues" with people on a whim. I have issues with them because someone needs to say "what the hell?" Sceptre 17:37, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

That gives you no reason to vandalise his userpage. Anyway, in the interest of fairness, I've posted the comment about to ANI as requested. D.M.N. (talk) 18:04, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

I think we've gone far enough with this, it sounds like Sceptre is coming around...I still think the behavior was wildly out of bounds and he seems to get that. FT2 wasn't acting alone, and with that in mind I think they should put their heads together and shorten the block (or reduce it to time served). But I think the unblock should only come from them, and if they have other reasons why the block should remain for now they should indicate that. But none of this reduces how completely inappropriate the edits were. RxS (talk) 17:30, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm missing why you think the block should be shortened? KillerChihuahua 17:33, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, I admit to be pretty conflicted about this. But he's indef'd at the moment so any adjustment would have to be one that would shorten the block. But that's just semantics. I think he understands what a offensive, terrible mistake it was. And, I'm guessing that he'll understand that he'll be under a pretty bright light for the foreseeable future. He does contribute to the encyclopedia, and Arbcom stating a way forward though all this would reduce whatever drama this is causing. I don't think anyone believes that he's going to be indef'd permanently, so Arbcom reconsidering this and saying what plans they have for this would be a good thing. But I'm appalled by his actions, and all this is based on a belief that he wouldn't repeat them. Now, if there's evidence that it's an ongoing issue, or he steps back from "getting it" then my tune would change for sure. RxS (talk) 17:53, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

(edit conflict x3) Good grief, Sceptre, this is not a happy situation to find you in. You do realize that whether or not it was sustained harassment or not, it was petty, abusive, and juvenile vandalism with intent to insult via personal attacks and smears, right? So why on earth do you think that's somehow not worthy of a very long block? As Arcayne has said above, if you're so irritated you "need to blow off steam" you go for a walk or something, you do not log out, vandalize in a thoroughly childish and nasty way, and then log back in with your innocence intact. I cannot believe you're even suggesting that, yet that's how "it was a mistake" reads. "Mistake" means "oops". Your edits were deliberate, and deliberately concealed. KillerChihuahua 17:32, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

(aside) I'll take care of the FLC, don't worry. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs 17:52, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Aww, I was gonna volunteer, but if it had been entrusted to me at least one dollar bill user would have shrieked like a baby with colic. ;) - Arcayne () 18:22, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Mentorship

Mentorship has been mooted around a bit at AN/I and I think it would be a good idea if I'm being honest. It would be a good opportunity for you to have someone to turn to if you get overly stressed upset about things and they could lead you in the right path. Are there any people you'd like as a mentor? Ryan Postlethwaite 17:33, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, it seems like a good idea. I'll think about who I'd like, then get back to you. Sceptre 17:37, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Honestly, I don't think you should be able to pick your mentor. Synergy 17:46, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

If no one else has any real issue with his pick (as in, it's an editor in good standing, obviously not trying to help Sceptre "evade" anything) I don't really think that's an issue. Let him offer some picks. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs 18:13, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

I very vaguely "volunteered" on ANI, but Sceptre should have a say in it. Why would we force a mentor on him of "our choosing". Isn't that is some ways, setting up a failure, and an escape hatch if Sceptre continues to screw up for him to say "well, it was my mentor's fault?". Let him pick a mentor. Will, I volunteered, but I don't have email, I detest IRC and refust to participate in it. If I mentor you, it will be 100% exclusively onwiki, on a usersubpage. If that's not agreeable, I have other things to do, as you do to I'm sure. Keeper ǀ 76 18:16, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

I'd be up and willing to "help" Will (mentorship is overly draconian). I don't want him to turn into a "bad egg", which I know he won't. But it's best for the community as a whole to give guidance in times of trouble. We've all been there, we can empathise. Scarian 18:31, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

I think the most acceptable solution would be to take casp's suggestion on the RfC for three mentors. Those guys are almost perfect models of civility, and that one of the keep things here. Ryan Postlethwaite 18:53, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Ooo, those are three really good choices. Seconded! Keeper ǀ 76 19:11, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

The reason why I'm delaying is that I've asked two admins privately if they'd feel like mentoring, and I'm waiting for a response from both of them. Though those three are good choices, yes. Sceptre 19:15, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

I must vehemently protest any movement towards an unblocking of Sceptre. Two or three years ago, he was found guilty of sexually harassing underage female admins and creating attack accounts in droves; he was nearly defrocked for this - and would have been if not for the intervention of Jimbo. (Perhaps the reason that this is being overlooked is that Sceptre's harassment predates most active admins' tenure as an editor.) If he's refused to modify his behavior after so much time, we must conclude that this is an untreatable behavior problem and show Sceptre the door. east718 // talk // email // 18:57, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

You add two and two together and make seventy-nine... I did harass an admin. Singular. Which I have spent the last two years apologising to everyone who was hurt by it, including the administrator in question. I'm not sure if she totally forgave me-and I don't expect her to-but I think she doesn't exactly hate me for it either. Sceptre 19:08, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh, unblock him. FGS he's only 17 - probably learnt a valuable lesson for life - he's had the scare, been shown he's not as clever as he thinks he is - didn't we all at that age? I say this with one proviso - he prove confidentialy to a designated and trusted Admin that he is only 17 - not a 48 year old wierdo - etc. Giano (talk) 20:52, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

A message

Just stumbled across all this and thought I'd throw in my two cents. I've watched your featured topic aspirations with great interest, and am sure you'll achieve that goal. Don't let editors who can be greatly annoying get to you, as they're frankly not worth the effort. LuciferMorgan (talk) 18:21, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Solidarity

Although the vandalism and the insults are very childish as you're well aware, I fully acknowledge and accept your point that it was never your intention to harass anyone, and that labeling those edits 'harassment' is far-fetched, to say the least. To put it more frankly: Imho, you're the one being harassed by The Real Drama-Mongers for not accepting the "community's" decision, where "community" really means those self-appointed free speech advocates who don't know to value open discussion and who have managed to filibuster every suggested remedy regarding Kurt into oblivion. You have my deepest sympathies, and the block against you was certainly excessive, and applied in the wrong manner like you correctly assessed in the unblock request. user:Everyme 19:11, 28 August 2008 (UTC)