| Revision as of 02:06, 15 September 2005 view sourceSplash (talk | contribs)33,425 edits how about something like this?← Previous edit | Revision as of 19:40, 19 September 2005 view source Tony Sidaway (talk | contribs)Autopatrolled, Extended confirmed users, Pending changes reviewers81,722 edits No, this is misleading. We managed find when this article contained no numbers. There is no consensus on consensus.Next edit → | ||
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| ⚫ | In day-to-day Misplaced Pages practice, administrators are expected to use their common sense in deciding whether a concensus has been reached. Judgment and discretion are applied to determine the correct action. In disputes, the term ''consensus'' is often used as if it means anything from ''genuine consensus'' to ''my position''; it is possible to see both sides of a back-and-forth ] claiming a consensus for their version of the article. | ||
| In day-to-day Misplaced Pages practice, '']'' is interpreted as something closer to '']'', as unanimity is extrememly difficult to achieve. What is interpreted as consensus often depends on the criticality of the Misplaced Pages process the consensus is deciding upon. Precise numbers are hard to establish, and ] a democracy so simple vote counting is not the key part of the interpretation of a debate. Nevertheless, some often-used processes seem to intepret consensus to have been reached if the proportion of concurring editors has reached a particular level. Note that these numbers, being mere statistics, are not binding on the editor who is interpreting the debate, and are often varied widely to suit the needs of a particular situation: | |||
| * 75-80% or larger majority support for a ] (]); | |||
| * two-thirds or larger majority support for ] (]); | |||
| * 60% or larger majority support for ] (]). | |||
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| Note that consensus can only work among reasonable ] who are making a ] effort to work together to accurately and appropriately describe the different views on the subject. (''e.g.'' insisting on insertion of an insignificant factoid into an article in opposition to many other editors has been judged a violation of consensus; see ].) | Note that consensus can only work among reasonable ] who are making a ] effort to work together to accurately and appropriately describe the different views on the subject. (''e.g.'' insisting on insertion of an insignificant factoid into an article in opposition to many other editors has been judged a violation of consensus; see ].) | ||
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Misplaced Pages works by building consensus. This is done through polite discussion and negotiation, in an attempt to develop a consensus regarding proper application of policies and guidelines such as Neutral point of view. Surveys and the Request for comment process are designed to assist consensus-building when normal talk page communication fails.
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One description of what consensus is, made on the mailing list, is as follows:
In fact WP's standard way of operating is a rather good illustration of what it does mean: a mixture across the community of those who are largely agreed, some who disagree but 'agree to disagree' without disaffection, those who don't agree but give low priority to the given issue, those who disagree strongly but concede that there is a community view and respect it on that level, some vocal and unreconciled folk, some who operate 'outside the law'. You find out whether you have consensus, if not unanimity, when you try to build on it.
In day-to-day Misplaced Pages practice, administrators are expected to use their common sense in deciding whether a concensus has been reached. Judgment and discretion are applied to determine the correct action. In disputes, the term consensus is often used as if it means anything from genuine consensus to my position; it is possible to see both sides of a back-and-forth revert war claiming a consensus for their version of the article.
Note that consensus can only work among reasonable editors who are making a good faith effort to work together to accurately and appropriately describe the different views on the subject. (e.g. insisting on insertion of an insignificant factoid into an article in opposition to many other editors has been judged a violation of consensus; see Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Charles Darwin-Lincoln dispute.)
Specifying exactly what constitutes a reasonable or rational position is difficult. Nearly every editor believes that their position is reasonable; good editors acknowledge that positions opposed to their own are also reasonable. But Misplaced Pages's consensus practice does not justify stubborn insistence on an eccentric position combined with refusal to consider other viewpoints in good faith. With respect to good faith, no amount of emphasized assertions that you are editing according to Misplaced Pages:Neutral point of view while engaging in biased editing will serve to paper over the nature of your activities.
Consensus should not trump NPOV (or any other official policy). A group of editors advocating a viewpoint do not, in theory, overcome the policy expressed in Misplaced Pages:What Misplaced Pages is not concerning advocacy and propaganda. However, a group of editors may be able to shut out certain facts and points of view through persistence, numbers, and organization. This group of editors should not agree to an article version that violates NPOV, but on occasion will do so anyway. This is generally agreed to be a bad thing.