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Community discussion takes place on various pages: noticeboards such as at ]; or pages such as ] and ]. These processes require collaborative effort and considered input from their participants in order to form a consensus and act appropriately upon the consensus that can be discerned. | Community discussion takes place on various pages: noticeboards such as at ]; or pages such as ] and ]. These processes require collaborative effort and considered input from their participants in order to form a consensus and act appropriately upon the consensus that can be discerned. | ||
In determining consensus carefully consider the strength and quality of the arguments themselves, including the evolution of the final positions, the objection of those who disagree, and in complex situations, existing documentation in the project namespace. ] opinions typically reflect genuine concerns, and |
In determining consensus carefully consider the strength and quality of the arguments themselves, including the evolution of the final positions, the objection of those who disagree, and in complex situations, existing documentation in the project namespace. ] opinions typically reflect genuine concerns, and the logic may outweigh the logic of the majority. ] who are not yet familiar with consensus should realize that a ] (if one is even held) is often more likely to be the start of a discussion than it is to be the end of one. The outcome may be decided ''during discussion''. | ||
In the few cases where polls are used, understand that they are actually structured discussions, ]. Your opinion has much more weight when you provide a rationale during a poll, not just a simple vote. Your goal should be to convince others of your views (and give them a chance to convince you). Being ] is rarely convincing. | In the few cases where polls are used, understand that they are actually structured discussions, ]. Your opinion has much more weight when you provide a rationale during a poll, not just a simple vote. Your goal should be to convince others of your views (and give them a chance to convince you). Being ] is rarely convincing. |
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This page documents an English Misplaced Pages policy.It describes a widely accepted standard that editors should normally follow, though exceptions may apply. Changes made to it should reflect consensus. | Shortcuts |
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Consensus is typically reached as a natural and inherent product of the wiki-editing process; generally someone makes a change or addition to a page, and then everyone who reads the page has an opportunity to either leave the page as it is or change it. In essence, silence implies consent, if there is adequate exposure to the community. Consensus among a limited group of editors, at one place and time, can not over-ride community consensus on a wider scale. In the case of policy and process pages a higher standard of participation and consensus is expected than on other pages.
Reasonable consensus-building
Consensus develops from agreement of the parties involved. This can be reached through discussion, action (editing), or more often, a combination of the two. Consensus can only work among reasonable editors who make a good faith effort to work together in a civil manner. Developing consensus requires special attention to neutrality - remaining neutral in our actions in an effort to reach a compromise that everyone can agree on.
There are several processes that can attract editors to help resolve differences:
- Third Opinion will involve a single neutral third party in a dispute among two editors
- Mediation will involve a single neutral third party in a dispute among multiple editors
- Requests for Comment invites greater participation
- Village pump invites greater participation
- Wikiquette alerts can help resolve personal problems
- Resolving disputes offers other options
How consensus emerges during the editing process
See also: Misplaced Pages:Editing policyGenerally someone edits a page, and then subsequent viewers of the page have three options: accept the edit, change the edit, or revert the edit. Typically, each article goes through many iterations of the consensus process to achieve a neutral and readable product. If your ideas are not immediately accepted, think of a reasonable change that might integrate your ideas with others and make an edit, or discuss those ideas. This can be done at the talk page, as an edit summary, or as a note to others at a user talk page or other widely read page such as the Village pump.
Edit summaries are useful, and may contain a summary of the change made to the article by the edit, or an explanation of why the change was made. Even a short summary is better than no summary. If the reason for an edit is not clear, it is more likely to be reverted, especially in the case that some text is deleted. To give a longer explanation, use the Talk page and put in the edit summary "see Talk".
Edit wars can lead to page protection rather than improvements to the article.
Use of the talk page
See also: Misplaced Pages:Talk page guidelinesBe bold in editing; you can also use the talk page to discuss improvements to the article, and to form consensus concerning the editing of the page. In the case of policy pages a higher standard of participation and consensus is expected. In cases where consensus is particularly hard to find, the involvement of independent editors or more experienced help in the discussion may be necessary. If editing of the page is impeded by edit wars, or is disrupted, or consensus cannot be found on the talk page through ordinary discussion, there are more formal dispute resolution processes.
Consensus can change
ShortcutConsensus is not immutable. Past decisions are open to challenge and are not binding, and changes are sometimes reasonable.
Misplaced Pages's processes remain flexible for several reasons, including that new people may bring fresh ideas, growing may evolve new needs, people may change their minds over time when new things come up, and sometimes we find a better way to do things.
Sometimes a representative group makes a decision on behalf of the community as a whole, at a point in time. More often, people document changes to existing procedures at some arbitrary point in time after the fact.
Participating in community discussions
Shortcut- Consensus is a partnership between interested parties working positively for a common goal. —Jimbo Wales
Community discussion takes place on various pages: noticeboards such as at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents; or pages such as Requests for comment and Requests for arbitration. These processes require collaborative effort and considered input from their participants in order to form a consensus and act appropriately upon the consensus that can be discerned.
In determining consensus carefully consider the strength and quality of the arguments themselves, including the evolution of the final positions, the objection of those who disagree, and in complex situations, existing documentation in the project namespace. Minority opinions typically reflect genuine concerns, and the logic may outweigh the logic of the majority. New users who are not yet familiar with consensus should realize that a poll (if one is even held) is often more likely to be the start of a discussion than it is to be the end of one. The outcome may be decided during discussion.
In the few cases where polls are used, understand that they are actually structured discussions, not votes. Your opinion has much more weight when you provide a rationale during a poll, not just a simple vote. Your goal should be to convince others of your views (and give them a chance to convince you). Being purely argumentative is rarely convincing.
Forum shopping
See also: Misplaced Pages:Forum shoppingIt is very easy to create the appearance of a changing consensus simply by asking again and hoping that a different and more sympathetic group of people will discuss the issue. This, however, is a poor example of changing consensus, and is antithetical to the way that Misplaced Pages works. Misplaced Pages's decisions are not based on the number of people who showed up and voted a particular way on a particular day; they are based on a system of good reasons.
Exceptions
ShortcutThere are a few exceptions that supersede consensus decisions on a page.
- Declarations from Jimbo Wales, the Board, or the Developers, particularly for server load or legal issues (copyright, privacy rights, and libel) may have policy status (see Misplaced Pages:Policies and guidelines#Sources of Misplaced Pages policy).
- Office Actions on a specific article (such as stubbing or protecting it) are outside the policies of the English Misplaced Pages.
- Consensus decisions in specific cases are not expected to automatically override consensus on a wider scale - for instance, a local debate on a WikiProject does not override the larger consensus behind a policy or guideline. The WikiProject cannot decide that for the articles within its scope, some policy does not apply, unless they can convince the broader community that doing so is the right course of action.
- Foundation Issues lay out the basic principles for all Wikimedia projects. These represent the largest consensus decisions achievable among all Wikimedia projects, and affect all of them.
See also
- Misplaced Pages:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle
- Misplaced Pages:How to contribute to Misplaced Pages guidance
- Misplaced Pages:Staying cool when the editing gets hot
- WikiEN-l mailing list July 2005
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