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Please be aware that I am starting a physics degree course and need to devote 
most of my energies to that. I will only be a spasmodic visitor to Misplaced Pages, editing
occasionally just for a change of scene. If you leave me a message, it may well be 
a week before I respond; I will respond here unless you specify otherwise. If you want 
me to look at an article or discussion, just ask but bear in mind the delay factor.
I have deleted 90% of my watch list.

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Deletion of User:Abstract et al

I notice you've tagged user pages in another user's userspace for deletion - Are you that user, or are you otherwise related in some way to User:Abstract? No concern about the deletion, but wanted to doublecheck. Thanks, UltraExactZZ ~ Evidence 14:13, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

It was an alter ego ... thanks for asking. Abtract (talk) 14:21, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

 Done, then - Please let me know if I can be of further assistance. Best, UltraExactZZ ~ Evidence 16:45, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Good luck

Good luck studying for your degree. It has been quite pleasant to watch your becoming a mediating, patient editor. Hopefully we'll still see you around cleaning up disambiguation pages a bit; in the meantime, all the best! -- Natalya 14:52, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you I'll need it. I will be around occasionally but hopefully in the background. Abtract (talk) 14:55, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Bold, revert, discuss

The recent 3RR events might serve as an illustration of situations WP:BRD. On Baba, there's a bold edit by Sesshomaru, a revert by Abtract, and then it should have gone to the Talk page instead of being again reverted by Sesshomaru again. On the other side, on Saiyuki, Abtract lead with the bold edit, Sesshomaru reverted, and then it should have gone to Talk instead of being again reverted by Abtract. Both of you need to back down and become familiar with WP:BRD. -- JHunterJ (talk) 03:01, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

You are right. I have been regretting my stupidity since the events; it won't happen again. Abtract (talk) 06:37, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: pointer

Thank you for pointing that out - just to let you know that I did look at it before adding my thoughts on remedies. Ncmvocalist (talk) 17:12, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

I expected no less. Abtract (talk) 17:13, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of List of disambiguation pages concerning siblings

I have nominated List of disambiguation pages concerning siblings, an article you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Misplaced Pages's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of disambiguation pages concerning siblings. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. —Remember the dot 03:07, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

6 hour block

Per this, I am executing a six hour block. I note that Collectonian acknowledges that the edit was correct, but it still is a matter of editing an article that has already had contributions by one of the other parties. LessHeard vanU (talk) 13:27, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

So far as I am aware, I am under no restrictions and there certainly is no agreement in force ... what are you talking about please? Abtract (talk) 13:35, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

I am slightly disappointed you have not replied in view of the facts that you are online and editing, that I cannot talk to you any other way and that you have not left me with the normal option of asking to be unblocked. Abtract (talk) 13:59, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

{{unblock|I am not under any restriction and there is no agreeement in force ... lots of discussion but no agreement; indeed I have proposed the form of an agreement but it has been ignored by the other parties and the blocking admin}}

• note to reviewing admin: the discussion can be found here. It was decided that the parties agreement was not required for implementation, although it was hoped that they may find a form of words to clarify what might happen in grey areas. The second option proposed by Ncmvocalist is the one adopted. LessHeard vanU (talk) 15:34, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

• Where was it "adopted"? And where was I notified of its adoption? Collectonian clearly doesn't think it's in force or she wouldn't have asked you "Well, is this in affect yet?" The last I heard from you was "It went quiet, and I am trying to gather my energies to try and shove through a wording that nobody likes (which seems to be the only way to get agreement at the moment), after which I shall hand out some arbitrary blocks </humour>. Seriously, I am thinking of adopting NCMVocalists second otion and letting you, Sess and Abtract agree a split between the outstanding issues. Once that is agreed it can be adopted and I will come down like a ton of bricks on any violation </not humour>. I trust you can see that violations need to be dealt with severely if it is to work. LessHeard vanU (talk) 14:20, 6 September 2008 (UTC) on your talk page ... since then nothing. This doesn't seem like a decision to me ... you certainly have not notified any of us that a decision has been made. I expected fairer treatment from you than this; I certainly expect the block to be lifted on review assuming you don't have second thoughts (admitted you are wrong is not a sign of weakness you know). Abtract (talk) 16:02, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

  I often acknowledge I am wrong, and I often apologise (although not necessarily both together). This is not one of those cases. Was it "officially" in force? Perhaps not, but I think it is irrelevant; there is that mass of discussion on my page that clearly indicates exactly what are the problems, and you think you are able to carry on doing that stuff because I haven't got round to dropping a nice little template on everyones pages? Nope, bad faith is just that - you know Collectonian had been editing that page and you also know she wants to be left alone by you (and comments you have done the same thing on a different article, making a "good" edit within her "sphere of edited articles") so you were being disruptive. Per the proposal we had been working toward, that was sufficient to be blocked - so that is what I did, for just so long enough for it to register but not to effect your editing massively.

  I further note that the unblock request was not answered. This means that a reviewer (or two, but it is likely to have been looked over at least one) could not decide on whether it was legit or not, and chose not to respond. So, it was not so bad to be overturned but not so clear to be denied. Make of that what you will - and if you still want to pursue this I suggest you take it to WP:ANI or open a WP:RfC. In the meantime I will put a wording in regard to the future editing of you, Collectonian and Sesshomaru on the various parties talkpages. LessHeard vanU (talk) 21:34, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

This block has expired, nothing to appeal now. Stifle (talk) 21:42, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Restrictions on editing of articles between Abtract (talk · contribs), and Collectonian (talk · contribs) and Sesshomaru (talk · contribs)

Important Notice These restrictions are imposed upon the above named editors, and are not subject to amendment without agreement of a majority of the "involved administrators".

• Abtract, as one party, and Collectonian and Sesshomaru, as the other parties, are banned from interacting with, or, directly or indirectly, commenting on each other on any page in Misplaced Pages. Should either account violate their bans, they may be blocked for up to one week. After the fifth such violation, the maximum block length shall be increased to one month. (Note - this remedy may be expanded in scope to include interaction of any other user if it is later deemed necessary in the opinion of 3 administrators to prevent harassment.)
• A division between both parties of future work on disambituation pages may be agreed, at a neutral venue such as one of the involved admins talkpages, but otherwise the above restrictions apply.
• The editors are already aware of the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle, and are reminded that edit-warring has a disruptive and detrimental effect on Misplaced Pages. Should either user edit-war in the future, they may be subject to further sanctions (including wider revert limitations, blocks and bans).

Involved administrators are LessHeard vanU (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA), Natalya (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA), and JHunterJ (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) who should act with due notice to all the other parties. Other admins are welcome to add their names to the above, and comments by any other party is welcome.

The discussion relating to the drafting of the above restriction (adapted by LessHeard vanU from the original - and revision - by Ncmvocalist (talk · contribs)) can be found here.

LessHeard vanU (talk) 22:21, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

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This is the notice - which I will be posting on the pages of all named parties. I note your comment re Sesshomaru, and will investigate upon completing these postings. LessHeard vanU (talk) 22:26, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

I think User:LessHeard vanU has demonstrated a bias against Abtract throughout this stupid affair. Though he is not such a bad admin that this bias was detectable by Abtract, who often thanked him in good faith for his warnings and interventions, the fact remains that he has shown a tendency from the outset to take Collectonian's assertions at face value, and to be more sympathetic to Collectonian than evidence demands. Collectonion is aware of this, having appealed to him in the recent past when more neutral mediators (Natalya, JHunterJ, and Ncmvocalist) were available. I ask that LessHeard vanU bear this in mind going forward. 86.44.16.18 (talk) 06:58, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Sesshomaru templating a talkpage of a dab page you have edited

My view is that Sesshomaru was not interacting with you, as it is not a page that you have edited and is a general notice not addressed to you or your manner of editing the dab page. I will drop a note that you would prefer he did not again so edit a talkpage of a dab page you have edited. Please ask any of the other admins to review this if you are not satisfied by my response. LessHeard vanU (talk) 22:49, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

And was my edit for which you blocked me interacting with Coll ... for God's sake I created the page that Sess edited. Abtract (talk) 22:52, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Page edit history - you created the dab page, not the dab talk page. What I "unilaterally" imposed was a wording that all three admins had taken as the basis of the restriction, I have included Sess as a party and made allowance for the splitting up of dab pages by agreement. There were no objections to the basics. However, if the other two subsequently disagree with this wording then it is open to redrawing - I have provided copies on their talkpages, and noted it on WP:AN also. If you know of any other admins who might wish to participate, please invite them to do so. LessHeard vanU (talk) 23:15, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Mmmm methinks you hide behind a technicality because you are becoming personally involved. Abtract (talk) 23:17, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Collectonian has made a query . Any response to same venue. Thanks. LessHeard vanU (talk) 00:36, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Can't talk on an archive sorry. Abtract (talk) 01:15, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

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Thanks for the note on my talkpage. While not the best example of interacting with a new editor, S provided a link to the relevant policy. I also note that Collectonian has opened a dialogue with the editor, so a welcome message is likely not needed. It wouldn't be good to come from you, anyway, since it may be regarded as indirectly interacting with S and C (as might my commenting to S regards his edit). As far as defusing rather than conflagrating the situation, I am not even going to ask you what you are doing reviewing S's edits to a talkpage that has recently been edited by C (the article also being edited by C). I hope you will make more effort to avoid the editing areas of those contributors from now on. LessHeard vanU (talk) 21:05, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

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