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When did I attack WR? Is asking for evidence to support his claims attackimg him? Contrivance (talk) 07:48, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

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WR Claims he Saved Hundreds of People Who Were Trapped Behind Locked Fire Doors

BBC "North Country" http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5861152043407678584 see 0:57 to 1:04

At the LA symposium he describes climbing up from the 29th floor: "I turn off the radio and I continue going up the building… by myself, opening doors, letting people out until I got to the 33rd floor."

He says he was "letting people out."

Here's the transcript http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/2007/05/heroism-of-william-rodriguez-amazing.html

Here's the Dutch TV program http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=6397746163648527211 </ref>

4:05 "There were five master keys for the building, and I had the only one available at that moment, and I went floor by floor by floor, opening the doors so the people could escape."

5:05 "I was recognized for saving hundreds of people, but the people I wanted to help I was never able to help."

Just curious--why are you trying to deny that Willie made the claims that he's famous for?

(Note in LA symposium video, at 22:43 he displays the key--might make a better picture than the one used.)

Contrivance (talk) 17:55, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

I can see nothing of him saying "behind locked doors", you said that. Implying by him does not makes it so. So the quote is absolutely unaceptable from you. Twisting the words is a good tool you have used before as I can see in many of your edits. You should refrain and only post fact-exact quotes, reliable sources ( you have used established unreliable sources before. ie- The Power Hour press relaeases ( WR does not even mention this as far I can research), Alex Jones material)and copywright unaceptable you tube content. Many firemen said similar things on the New york Times "102 minutes" book. I disagree he was famous on those statements you claim on him. There are more detailed information of his larger than life conection with 9/11 and the victims. 69.116.203.23 (talk) 23:31, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Your claims as to '102 Minutes' and "detailed information" are completely empty. WR said he was "letting people out." The only way that is possible is if they were locked in. Contrivance (talk) 19:47, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Response

Hi, Contrivance.

Just so you know, I responded to your posts on my talk page. {Jazz2006 (talk) 03:05, 24 July 2008 (UTC)} ==Sharpdhmi, many of your edits have been extremely goofy. Frequently the reasons you cite for them are not true.== Contrivance (talk) 04:54, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

What do you mean "remove npov"? Doesn't that mean "remove neutral point of view"? Why do you want to remove a neutral point of view? Why are you consistently removing descriptions of Rodriguez' mission? You've removed Rodriguez' characterizations of himself, his descriptions to audiences of his heroic acts, and the description of the Herald of his status in the 9/11 Truth movement. Why?

What do you mean, the key should be corroborated?

If Rodriguez' travels around the world are relevant to the lead paragraph, why does a brief characterization of what he talks about not belong there? Contrivance (talk) 04:11, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Why should you move a description of Rodriguez' status in the Truth movement and his characterization of himself as "Last Survivor", material which clearly belongs in the lead paragraph, to Notable events? They're not events. They're descriptions. Why won't you answer my questions? Contrivance (talk) 04:40, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Well Contrivance or should I say, Mr. Brian Good ( see: http://www.911blogger.com/node/16545#comment )Misplaced Pages is not the place for your agenda for or against Rodriguez. Stop your efforts. Thanks. I will ask the page to be placed for moderation. Sending this to the admins.Sharphdmi (talk) 04:43, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

How can you accuse me of having an agenda if you don't even know if it's for or against Rodriguez? Why won't you answer my questions? Why do you object to highlighting Rodriguez' statements detailing his heroism in saving hundreds of lives? Isn't that what makes him notable? I don't understand. Contrivance (talk) 04:50, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Very simple Mr. Brian. For what I have googled, it is clear your what your agenda is. for what I have researched, you like only to debate your 9/11 views and NPOV and not to arrive to conscencus. I will not play your game here. Wiki is not your personal blog. End on conversation.Sharphdmi (talk) 04:57, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Will you please explain your edits and answer my questions. You seem to be assuming bad faith based on unjustified assumptions. You seem to be confusing me with somebody else (a basketball coach?) Maybe you're misinterpreting much of what you read? How can you characterize your recent changes as minor edits? How can you accuse me of thwarting consensus when it's you that refuses to discuss the reasoning behind your edits? How can you accuse me of making this my personal blog when you've only ever edited this one page yourself?

Contrivance (talk) 05:01, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

I wish you would explain the reasoning behind your removal from the lead block of information characterizing Rodriguez' mission, the image he projects, and the stuff he talks about in his presentations.

It seems to me that's exactly what belongs in the lead block. Contrivance (talk) 20:27, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Sharphdmi, you have a pattern of moving stuff around, and losing stuff when you do it.

It makes it difficult to tell if you're doing it deliberately or accidentally. Re: "Last Man" claim, it seems you want to cite it in UK news report, but you want to claim it's a POV issue when its specious nature is discussed. If you want to reference Rodriguez' recanting of the claim, please do so with appropriate quotes and time stamps. Don't remove the information that it's not true.

Contrivance (talk) 02:11, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

I wish you would stop removing stuff on the basis that some two-hour interview on some Conspiracy radio station allegedly explained it away

If you want to make claims like that, give us a time stamp. Contrivance (talk) 04:25, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

You go and hear the interview.Sharphdmi (talk) 04:31, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm not going to listen to two hours of Conspiracy bullshit to find out it doesn't say what you claim it says. If you want to cite it, give us a quote and a time stamp. Contrivance (talk) 05:11, 18 July 2008 (UTC) 05:10, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Stop being an ass and do the research.Sharphdmi (talk) 05:17, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Stop being an ass and support your claims. I'm not going to listen to 2 hours of bullshit to find out that what you say is in there is not in there. Is this the abovetopsecret show where they start out by joking about ordering Mexican fast food, and they promise there's going to be some heavy emotional stuff in the show, but it turns out they cut all the emotional stuff out? Contrivance (talk) 05:36, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Hey asshole, I am Mexican. Keep your shit on the level. Do your own research and stop bitching. Do me a favor, do not even contact me, do it on the discussion page and not my personal page.Sharphdmi (talk) 17:38, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

I asked you a simple technical question in an effort to establish whether the radio show you cite is one that I have already heard. It was the radio hosts that made the dumb jokes about fast food, not me. Could it be that you are not familiar with the content of the show you cite? Please try to remain civil. I do my own research, and then you delete it. The issue here is that you aren't doing YOUR research. You cite a two-hour radio program as explaining all conflicts, but you won't give us quotes or time stamps.

The discussion page is broken--new comments can be seen only in edit mode, and if you had made any effort to explain your edits you would know this. Contrivance (talk) 17:56, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Your "contextualizing" of the Herald quote adds no value.

I didn't take it out of context. The context reinforces it, but your lengthier quote obfuscates the point, which is lack of corroborating evidence. Your statement "comments about his beliefs of the official version" makes no sense. Since when does Rodriguez believe the official version? You have not answered any of my questions on this page. Not one. Contrivance (talk) 05:50, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

More Bogus Edits

Are we supposed to take the word of an anonymous wikipedia editor that the Ireland trip never happened? Google lists several events lists that advertise it. Your edits for clarification are not clarifying. Why do you change touring europe to being invited to tour? Are you claiming that never happened either? Are you ever going to start answering questions? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Contrivance (talk • contribs) 17:27, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Still More Bogus Edits

Walter financed Rodriguez's travels to Europe, Malaysia, and Venezuela, did he not? Von Kleist's press release says they were traveling together. Do you have evidence that they were not?

Is Sharphdmi a wikipedia-approved source for the lack of an Ireland tour? Did you watch the Machon video? She says "We are actually doing a national tour with William Rodriguez." Who is "we" if not Machon and Shayler? Since you seem to have personal knowledge about Ireland, why not share your personal knowledge about Scotland?

Also, when you cut the Ireland info you also cut the Herald writeup of the Glasgow appearance. Careless, careless.

Contrivance (talk) 05:53, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Walter financed the tour to Europe. Malaysia was financed by the IIF, who invited them separate from each other, therefore they did not "Travelled together", two separate invitations. They were also invited separately for the Japan 9/11 Conference. Walter's lives in Vienna and Rodriguez lives in USA. I wrote to Walter, WR and Annie Machon. Also wrote to IIF and they all confirm this except WR who did not respond. When Machon said we, she refers to the UK 911 truth.org , MAchon was not anymore in any relationship with Shayler to be a "we". Rodriguez allowed Shayler to introduce him in oneevent in the UK only and it was under strict guidelines not to even talk about his personal views on 9/11 that clearly clashes with his own views. Wr has attacked and has been attacked by the "no-planers" for a long time. Common knowledge on the truth movement.Sharphdmi (talk) 09:42, 25 July 2008 (UTC)Sharphdmi (talk) 09:45, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

because is a negative one obviously and it is showing everywhere. So you are saying that the use of that key did not save anyone correct? Just answer for the record. Also you are saying that he saved those people. So what is it, did he saved people or not? Where is the mention of Saltalamachia for example? Kenny Johanemaan, Ivan Alemdariz Etc etc.? Let me ask you asswipe, if it was you there on 9/11, would you have stpped everyone and told them hey by the way give me your name and number, will you have Id'd them? Will you have changed bussiness cards? As understand and your hero Grvy as well, he has one of the biggest email database of families and survivors. Don't you think they already went through this? Also even Roberts recognizes WR heroism!!!69.116.203.23 (talk) 19:51, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Where is my POV negative? Please show an example. You are very emotional. Perhaps you are not thinking clearly. I already said quite clearly: please provide information that WR's key saved anyone. I've never seen any. Who's Grvy? What makes you think he's my hero? What about Saltalamacchia? Did WR rescue him? When are you going to start amswering questions? Contrivance (talk) 20:05, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Hey Brian, my error,not cnn, 2 hour C-Span television special was televised on september 8th 2007. It was then rebroadcasted several times that week. I have seen it and it does debunks most of your bullshit. Go to C-Span, not CNN and search for it. C-Span will be able to sell you a copy for 29.99.69.116.203.23 (talk) 22:29, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

by your own admission, you said"Who cares about my point of view? Is there any evidence that the key saved anybody? WR evacuated Felipe David. He helped to free Salvatore Giambanco and an unidentified man from the elevator shaft. The key had nothing to do with either of those. If you have evidence that he saved anyone else, please share it. Contrivance (talk) 15:04, 1 August 2008 (UTC)" therefore he indeed helped save many people.69.116.203.23 (talk) 22:34, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Please identify what "bullshit" the C-Span talk debunked. Please provide time stamps for the debunking. Please answer my questions. Please explain why you think asking you to share evidence that WR's key saved people has "established hate" for WR. Why are you so defensive about WR's story? Your belief that you know my name is amusing. Contrivance (talk) 15:47, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Brian, when you get your copy of C-Span, let me know and I will point that bullshit to you. It is established as anybody can read trough it. Why I defend Rodriguez? I don't. I admire what he did on 9/11 and tried to understand what happened on that day. I am fair with the edits and can see where you are going. We can all see the agenda. 69.116.203.23 (talk) 02:53, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

You can't expect me to spend $30.00 on a DVD until you identify the "bullshit" that the DVD allegedly debunks. Why won't you answer questions? How does asking for evidence for WR's claims "establish hate"? Where did you get the crystal ball so you can see my agenda? Did you get it from JRandi, maybe? Your statement in the edit history "If he was recognized for act of heroism , is obvious why" is extremely naive. You accusing me of attacking WR and having "established hate" and an agenda is accusing me of bad faith. Such accusations are against Misplaced Pages rules. Contrivance (talk) 04:32, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Pay the money and find out. Since your mission ( as established in your talk page ) is to edit WR page, I guess it will be fair for you to do that. I am accusing you of attacking him. That is correct. So I guess his recognitions were naive as well, by the governments and polititians that recognized him. Correct? 69.116.203.23 (talk) 06:02, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

When did I attack WR? Is asking for evidence to support his claims attackimg him? Contrivance (talk) 07:48, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Response to your query on my talk page

FYI, I answered the recent message that you posted on my talk page.{Jazz2006 (talk) 02:53, 12 September 2008 (UTC)}

Biography articles

I notice you have been editing the William Rodriguez and Kevin Barrett articles, both which fall under Misplaced Pages's biographies of living persons (BLP) policy. Under the policy, "Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material about living persons — whether the material is negative, positive, or just questionable — should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion." As well, material needs to be reliably sources and must avoid synthesis of various sources to advance a view point. So, under the BLP policy, adding something saying Kevin Barrett is a Holocaust Denier without solid, reliable sources is not acceptable. Regards. --Aude (talk) 12:54, 15 September 2008 (UTC)