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1. Oppose. Neutral. In the course of 100 days, you voted on over 400 AFD's, casting keep votes less than 10% of the time. I consider this level of interest in deletion and deletion processes to be unhealthy for an admin. If you have an explanation for your unusual level of participation in AFD and voting patterns, I may reconsider. Dragons flight 02:06, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

   A majority of those AfD votes were made in my earlier days here (late June to early July, see contribs), before I became more interested in other work. I understand that I cast a lot of delete votes during that time, but many times I voted on articles that really had no chance of being kept (neologisms, extremely short vanity articles, etc). After discovering WP:CDVF, Wikiproject stub sorting, and disambiguation link repair, I became less interested in AfD and more interested in RC patrol and maintence work; now I do not vote on as many AfD articles as I did earlier on. I never really associated myself as being a deletionist, mergist, or whatever-ist, and I do realize that Misplaced Pages is not paper. Jaxl | talk 02:41, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

   You may have become more involved in other things, but your claim to become less involved in AFD is not supported by your record. In the last 31 days you have cast 137 votes (still averaging more than 4 per day) and still 90% delete. Take a gander at your own contribs list in Misplaced Pages space which is just swimming in deletes. I'm sorry, but if someone is very active in AFD and wants to be an admin, I expect them to demonstrate a voting record that is not as strongly lopsided as yours is. Dragons flight 04:17, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

   I'm curious to know just how voting delete for articles clearly unworthy of inclusion in Misplaced Pages can be detrimental to the responsibility of adminship. I haven't closed a single AfD that ended in a keep since I assumed administrative access - does my lopsided closing record make me a deletionist? Nufy8 04:45, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

   I would note that while he has cast an average of about four votes per day on on AfD, Jaxl has also made an average of more than eighty edits per day since he started here—only five percent of his edits were to AfD. Scrolling through the list of contributions so thoughtfully provided by Dragons Flight, I also note that the vast majority of articles for which Jaxl supported deletion were deleted; I believe that this implies his judgement is reasonably sound. Further, AfD sees about 150 nominations per day—voting on four of them doesn't seem an outrageous level of involvement. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 16:44, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

   Sorry, what I meant before was that I had more average votes on AfD per day during my earlier days here than now (from July 2 to July 12, I had an average of approxmately 17 votes per day, as opposed to the now 4 votes per day). I have been manually going through all of the AfDs I voted delete on, and many were, in fact, deleted, as TenOfAllTrades stated. Also, a lot of the AfDs I voted delete on had unanimous delete votes from all users that voted on them (I will supply actual percentages as soon as I finish going through all of them). Jaxl | talk 17:20, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

   Alright, here are the numbers. From July 2 to September 17 (I left out Sep 18-present because those AfD's may still be up for debate), I voted delete (and stayed that way to closing) on 368 articles. 347, or roughly 94% of them, were deleted. 316, or roughly 86%, had only delete votes from all users who voted (discounting sockpuppets).

   Now, say I was an average (and a little less "lopsided") voter, who votes 65% delete and 35% keep. Let's say I voted keep on the 6% that weren't deleted, as well as on the other 8% that didn't have unanimous delete votes. I still need 21%, or a little over 77 votes, to reach the 35%. If I voted keep on 77 articles that everyone else had voted delete on and were clearly material not suitable for an encyclopedia, I would not be labeled as an extreme deletionist; rather, I would be labeled as an extreme inclusionist. What I'm trying to say here is that most of the articles I did vote on were, in fact, articles that needed to be deleted. Jaxl | talk 00:21, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

   While, I admire and appreciate the time and effort you put into answering my opposition, I am still left to wonder... What are you actually doing at AFD? So apparently you vote "delete" far more often than average and do so on articles that end up being deleted the vast majority of the time. So obviously you aren't voting on anything like a random sample of AFD. If you had been choosing AFDs at random presumably you would have found considerably more (say another 10-20%) that warranted a keep vote. Are you just piling on to votes that are obvious deletes? That strikes me as pointless, but certainly not harmful. Are you reluctant to cast keep votes for some reason, even for articles that look like they may deserve it?

   I'm not going to vote oppose, cause you don't seem to be hurting anything, but I still don't claim to understand what it is you are doing. Dragons flight 16:47, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

   Well, I don't really "pile up" votes, so to speak (I usually avoid AfDs that have 4 or 5 consecutive delete votes already, though I'm probably guilty of piling up some maybe a few times), but looking at some of my AfDs again, my vote is quite a few times the second or third on the debate, and they usually just end up unanimous. I guess you could say that I don't choose purely at random, since when I see an article with a ridiculous title and only 1 or 2 delete votes, I get lured into reading it (and it's almost always pretty bad) and casting a delete vote on that debate in an effort to "solidify" the message that it really doesn't belong in Misplaced Pages. Some examples would be Music:theheroicdose, Digestif, Pindut, and Template monster (I just picked those out on short notice). I do admit, though, that I should probably vote in more debates over articles that are less ridiculous than ones I usually vote in. Jaxl | talk 22:10, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

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Questions for the candidate
A few generic questions to provide guidance for voters:

1. What sysop chores, if any, would you anticipate helping with? (Please read the page about administrators and the administrators' reading list.)

A. As Nufy8 stated, I do a lot of work on RC patrol (and enjoy it very much). I would certainly like having a rollback button to revert vandalism quickly. I would also like to help out with the large backlog in WP:CP, as well as closing AfD debates (naturally I would start out with less controversial debates and build my way up from there).

2. Of your articles or contributions to Misplaced Pages, are there any about which you are particularly pleased, and why?

A. I am pleased with all of my edits, especially the ones to album articles. One thing I am especially proud of is creating an article for every album produced by Steppenwolf, after being shocked that none had existed yet.

3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or do you feel other users have caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?

A. I have not been involved in any major conflicts during the time I have been editing here. I respect the opinions of others and always try to remain civil in any kind of debate (AfD, etc.), and I believe that arguing over an article, as well as violating WP:3RR, are not ways to resolve a conflict.