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NPOV Policy

The NPOV policy appears to be the most misunderstood policy. Here are some good excerpts:

"fairly represent all sides of a dispute by not making articles state, imply, or insinuate that only one side is correct."

"unbiased writing presents conflicting views without asserting them." " Writing unbiasedly can be conceived very well as representing disputes, characterizing them, rather than engaging in them."

"If we are to represent the dispute fairly, we should present competing views in proportion to their representation among experts on the subject,"

"Facts are not points of view in and of themselves. So an easy way to avoid making a statement that promotes a point of view is to find a reputable source for a fact and cite the source."

"the policy does not say that there even is such a thing as objectivity, a "view from nowhere" such that articles written from that point of view are consequently objectively true"

Pseudoscience: "represent the majority (scientific) view as the majority view and the minority (sometimes pseudoscientific) view as the minority view" "(some editors) believe Misplaced Pages should adopt a "scientific point of view" rather than a "neutral point of view." However, it has not been established that there is really a need for such a policy" "explain how scientists have received pseudoscientific theories."

Terri Schiavo

You have the patience of a saint, my friend. You're an inspiration. I have a far lower frustration threshhold than you apparently do. Keep up the good work. --AStanhope 21:41, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, FuelWagon, for reformatting my Let's go sentence by sentence post. Given the size the talk page now is, that'll sure make any contributions easier for the users. Duckecho 16:36, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

"Removed my name|it's too silly" was the edit summary by one of the Mediation editors. I'm dumbstruck. That takes real work. The self-centered, naked arrogance.... I'm going to bed.--ghost 03:35, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

(ghost's comment in reponse to SlimVirgin withdrawing from mediation: Revision as of 03:15, 20 July 2005 SlimVirgin "removed my name; it's too silly".)

I will now commence chuckling and knee-slapping Just wanted to let you know that I am officially appropriating the phrase "Whack-a-Mole logic game" for my own use, that is excellent. Been trying to think of a succint way to describe NCdave's style of debate for a while now.
Fox1 08:11, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

(And the "whack-a-mole logic game" is brilliant.)Mia-Cle 01:04, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Stuff from my talk page moved by Uncle Ed to /block

More archives .

Fuel, I awarded you something I feel you deserve. In re the current block, I hope it's not permanent, and I also hope you don't take things too much to heart. This is only an online encyclopaedia and community, after all. All the best.~ Neuroscientist | T | C ? 06:21, July 13, 2005 (UTC) Oh, and dude. You gotta tone down the cussin. Lol.~ Neuroscientist | T | C ? 06:23, July 13, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the Barnstar, you big sexy pimp. Proto t c 09:28, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Mahalo for the barnstar. Your dedication on Terri Schiavo and weathering of the various conflicts is commendable. Aloha nui loa. --Viriditas | Talk 03:24, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Gordon has agreed to two edits per day (only one revert) and five talk posts of no more than fifty words--so long as it applies to everyone. I have agreed and thought you would as well knowing you won't have to clip Gordon's edits more than twice a day. Marskell 11:13, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Intelligent Design

I admit to my own POV on Intelligent Design (I'm neo-Pagan), so having another Wikipedian that I know telling me when I'm being stupid would be very helpful. I respect your work on all things Terri Schiavo, and hope I can enlist your help.--ghost 21:21, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

In the future, refrain from deleting my comments. --goethean ॐ 04:24, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I vaugley recall stepping on your toes rather hard a while back involving Dbergan and Goethean. I apologize.--Tznkai 14:34, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

figured as much. Still, always better to apologize than not IMO--Tznkai 16:12, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Intelligent Design Notes

I have started to compile a series of notes around the intelligent design article here. FuelWagon 20:22, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

I started an ID Wikiproject a few months ago. Not sure if you're interested in merging material or just use it to add other links to your page. David Bergan 06:23, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

I like the new ID entry much better than the old one.

I think Irreducible Complexity should come earlier--as it seems to lie at the center of the ID argument. I also like this quote from Dembski, "Intelligent Design is an intellectual movement, and the Wedge strategy stops working when we are seen as just another way of packaging the Christian evangelical message. ... The evangelists do what they do very well, and I hope our work opens up for them some doors that have been closed." == Phillip Johnson. "Keeping the Darwinists Honest", an interview with Phillip Johnson. In Citizen Magazine. April 1999.

Shouldn't that be up higher? I think it states what he's trying to do very clearly.

I don't see any reason to have the evolution section. 14 September 2005 eperotao

Nuclear option

I'm sorry to say the usefulness of that article has decreased since the recent edits of User:Hbomb and User:Ed Poor (beginning around May 12). It is confusing, and it seems to intentionally obscure the basic facts of the maneuver. --CSTAR 20:08, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

Apology accepted. I'll take a look at it. I found some good stuff on the reaction to "THE DEAL" made on Monday, and I'll add it at some point. Dave (talk) 04:46, May 25, 2005 (UTC)

Fuel, double-checking before I jump in. Did you get my response? Is the invite still open, or should we discuss it further?--ghost 15:14, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

scientific method url

A good url, short, sweet, and to the point FuelWagon 19:22, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Bensaccount RfC

This has me a bit flummoxed. He has not been "pushing the scientific point of view", but he has not edited since his comments in the RfC. Taken his bat and ball and gone home? Removal of the RfC might be seen as backing down from the NPOV position. But then, perhaps DotSix has made me too cynical. I'll think on it.

Banno 08:42, August 31, 2005 (UTC)

New Intro

I'm surprised and fairly pleased by the new intro; apparently Gordon's desire to be in the limelight is actually the strongest force to be brought to bear on that article in recent memory... interesting. Anyway, I'm going to keep the page on my watchlist for emergencies, but I think I'm pretty much out of steam on it; new job, new race car, new video games... I no longer have the surfeit of editing time that I once did and that has proven... necessary to be effectual on that page. Don't hesitate to light up the Fox Signal if you ever need a hand though, there or elsewhere. Fox1 12:45, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Dispute

FuelWagon, I'm writing to put you on notice that if you continue (what I see as) your campaign of harassment against me, and the recent wikistalking, I will file an RfAr against you. You've insulted me on several talk pages, and seem to do so whenever there's the slightest passing opportunity. You're maintaining an attack page about me. You're following me to articles you've never edited before within minutes of my making an edit, and reverting me. As you know, in order for a case to be accepted by the arbcom, there must have been prior attempts at dispute resolution. I consider the RfC you filed against me, and the exchange of e-mails that I initiated, as fulfilling that requirement, though of course if you have further suggestions, or want to try again, I'll be happy to work with you. I don't want to file a case with the arbcom, because it will mean a lot of work for both of us, but I will do so unless this stops. SlimVirgin 22:00, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

I will reply to any question on my own talk page. Marskell 12:07, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Ribbon Creek

Oof, that article looks like crap. The sections you changed read well now, though, so thank you for that. I hadn't taken a look at it before, but I'll probably go rewrite it on monday.

Fox1 04:21, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

RE: User_talk:FuelWagon/050825 and User talk:FuelWagon/block

Hi. Would you mind explaining to me why you are keeping these pages on-site instead of off-site for your own records? Since neither are part of an RFC, RFAr, etc., I'm inclined on viewing these as attacks pages and calling for their deletion. Thanks. El_C 19:57, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

user page subdirectories

Howdy El C, tell SlimVirgin I said hi when you report back to her. I assume she sent the request to you to harrass me about the contents of my talk page. As to labeling it an "attack" page, that's an interesting way of putting it. If you find one NPA violation, I'd appreciate you pointing it out so that I can correct the problem. The /block page was actually the first draft of an RfC against SlimVirgin a couple months ago. SlimVirgin asked Ed to block me for starting an RfC in my talk page, and Ed willingly complied. The pattern would now be that SlimVirgin has approached you to harrass me about it and attempt to get it deleted as well. Can you feel the intimate love that goes on between fellow admins? It just gives me a warm fuzzy feeling how they help each other in the face of criticism by blocking editors for imaginary NPA violations or harrassing them for the contents of a subdirectory in their talk page. You guys just make me proud. As it happens, SlimVirgin already complained to another one of her good buddies about a deleted RfC getting put into a user's talk page subdirectory, and that editor told SlimVirgin that it was acceptable. You can double-check it here . I actually withdrew my own certifaction of my RfC against SlimVirgin and she has been badering me ever since. A month later, she was making up lies about the RfC, so I uploaded a copy of it to my user space for the record. And since then, her harrassment and stalking of me has started happening enough that I need to write it all down or I'll forget it. So, in answer to your quite innocent and I'm sure unprodded question, the /block directory was the initial draft of my RfC against SlimVirgin. Ed Poor moved it from my talk page into the /block directory and then blocked me for NPA violations. If you can find a single NPA in that subdirectory, again, I'd appreciate it. Ed has thus far declined to point out what specifically was contained in the page to get me blocked. Nice to see policy can be implemented in such broadly sweeping that I can't even be told what diff got me blocked. Apparently Ed knows it when he sees it and can't explain it to anyone else. After my falsely accused NPA block expired, I took the contents of the /block directory and used them in my RfC against SlimVirgin. Ed Poor, who was mediator at the time initially endorsed part of the RfC but then SlimVirgin emailed him a sob story and Ed then withdrew support and vehemently attacked the RfC. Several editors supported the RfC, enough to keep it around, but I decided to withdraw my own certification to allow it to be deleted. I was actually trying to give SlimVirgin a break. See where that got me? A month later, SlimVirgin is telling lies about my RfC against her. I uploaded a copy of it to my talk page to keep an online record of it. Since then she has been harrassing me on various articles and talk pages, and I've been trying to keep track of her stalking as an attempt to defend myself from various false accusations from her and her friends. Now, you're calling this an "attack" page, but a large part of this was an initial draft to an RfC (the /block) directory, another chunk of it is the deleted RfC itself (which was already established to be not against policy), and the last part is an explanation as to why the deleted RfC is under my talk page, and what SlimVirgin has done since I filed the original RfC. I have not advertised this talk page to anyone, which is one of the reasons I assume SlimVirgin asked one of her friends to lean on my to delete it. Nor does the page contain anything but a history of diffs and who did what. There are no NPA violations. There is no name calling. there is nothing in these subdirectories that is anything other than a simple record of what has happened since I filed an RfC against SlimVirgin and invoked said woman's fury. She has accused me repeatedly of NPA violations, ad hominem attacks, and similar violations, but she never points out a single, specific diff that is the basis of her accusations. She has followed me to a completely unrelated RfC I filed against user Bensaccoutn and jumped on it as an example of "another bad faith RfC" by me. She asked an Admin friend of hers to investigate it (all in the family), but unfortunately for SlimVirgin, her friend said the RfC looked acceptable. SlimVirgin never apologized for the "bad faith RfC" accusation though. So, that's the history behind the subdirectories under my talk page. Some of it is RfC stuff, some of it is SlimVirgin's interactions with me since I filed the RfC against her. She has shown a history of making totally unfounded accusations against me while being unwilling to point ot any specific edit that would qualify as a policy violation. And she is completely unwilling to apologize even when another admin tells her that her accusation is wrong. Until her behaviour changes (she admits she made false accusations, she admits she made significant errors in her Terri Schiavo edit, and she apologizes for both, at the very least), I need to keep a record of what she's been doing so her stories of false accusations don't get too far out of control. No, I will not keep it offline. I have not advertised the page. And I need to be able to access the information from different computers depending on where I am. There are no NPA violations, and the entire page is nothing but a record of diffs to document the interactions between SlimVirgin and I. Given her ability for making accusations without a single diff to support them, I think an objective record is the only way to defend myself. FuelWagon 21:22, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

I don't particularly appreciate the insinuation, and I find that your note suffers from excessive verbosity. Withdrawing your RFC does not provide you with a license to keep its deleted content elsewhere on Misplaced Pages. Please try to remain on-topic and answer my specific querry in a more direct way, and with much, much less innuendo (preferably none). As mentioned, unless you are prepared to take formal steps, I fail to see a reason as to why you should be allowed to keep these pages on-site as some sort of advocacy in potential. El_C 21:29, 3 October 2005 (UTC)