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90%

yes, but if you'd just agre with me, imagine how nice 100% would feel! ThuranX (talk) 22:57, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm... first show me some diff's. :) Baseball Bugs 23:11, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

LOVEABLE LOSERS

I AM 100% AGAINST THIS.... A. THERE IS NO SOURCE AND B. IT IS MENTIONED IN THE SECTION "FALL OF 69" SO WHY DO IT TWICE!!!! Wjmummert (talk) 23:18, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm not married to it. Baseball Bugs 23:19, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

I CERTAINLY THINK THAT ALL CAPS IS THE WAY TO COMMUNICATE IN A NON-AGGRESSIVE MANNER!!!! --Allemandtando (talk) 23:20, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

I just took the good-faith approach that his caps lock was stuck. Or that he didn't know how to turn it off. Baseball Bugs 23:21, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

OY VEY!!!! Can we get back on topic.... we are not in JR high.Wjmummert (talk) 23:31, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Speak for yourself. I'm only 13 1/2 years old. d:) Baseball Bugs 23:32, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Thats a load of crap. A 13 year old who remembers Rick Monday. RIIIIIIIIITE!!!! Loveable Losers is already mentioned in teh fall of 69 section.

I made contradictory statements? Hmmm... There's only one possible explanation - One of me must be lying. Baseball Bugs 11:11, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Ha! I have to remember that line. (Hopefully you haven't trademarked it.) —Wknight94 (talk) 11:51, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

It's as trademarked as anything else is on this site. :) Baseball Bugs 11:59, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Possible imposter

Do you know anything about Baseball Bugs - What's up Dr.? (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)? So far, this user made one edit, to User talk:Ebyabe, announcing retirement. Is someone impostering you, or is this just a case of a duplicate username? Or is it actually you? --Elkman 19:30, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Tis Ron liebman (talk · contribs). —Wknight94 (talk) 19:42, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Huzzah

This edit should be cast in bronze and properly memorialized. Good show. 172.169.182.126 (talk) 04:57, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

My incredibly shart wit is exceeded only by my humility about it. :) Baseball Bugs 11:10, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Your eye is needed

"I gather that your complaint about the article is that it doesn't say enough about illegality and costs, and you've got a point. You should write up a prospective paragraph on the subject and post it on the talk page, if you have not already done so. I think it belongs in the "safety" section, because most of the folks doing this are probably kids who think they're immortal."

The only issue with this is, Papa has been equating urban exploration solely with its illicit nature and with the cost of providing security. Urban exploration is not solely about illicit activities, as I have been exploring abandonments legally for years through communications with various property owners, businesses and even the military. Security is a side effect, especially if the property has been vandalized -- but urban exploration is not vandalism, and both are wholly separate topics. Urban exploration is also not solely breaking and entering, although some do take the task to do so.

We came to a consensus to rewrite portions of the text and remove some of the dubious claims, and the page was unprotected after I made a request at RFPP. Papa has made little effort outside of trying to equate urban exploration with vandalism/breaking and entering and/orproviding rather dubious sources or original research. If you could, some outside eyes would be appreciated on the talk page.

As for the protection, I reverted on the basis that Papa has been conducting drive-by taggings, offering little rationale and stating that other editors have the burden to provide the proof of evidence that the article is not POV, instead of the tagger providing the burden of proof that the article is. I reverted to Papa's version and then I had to step out to a meeting. I was not informed of the thread on ANI (it's no longer watchlisted) nor was any communication given to me about it -- had it been done, I would have been happy to discuss the edits. seicer | talk | contribs 13:41, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

You may be interested in a duplicate thread, WP:AN#Need some admin opinions. seicer | talk | contribs 16:52, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Urban exploration

But I think the red-link user is off on some personal crusade

I think if you take a hard and honest view in the mirror, you'll see why I'm not all that thrilled to be contributing, having been thus vilified in advance. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 15:41, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Feel free to prove me wrong. Baseball Bugs 15:42, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't see why I should have to. I'm just as much of a human being as you are. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 15:46, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

You don't have to. But feel free to. :) Baseball Bugs 15:49, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

I am surprised.

Not. LessHeard vanU (talk) 19:17, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

OhnoitsJamie does not muck about. He commented at the admin board that he would block if Rollosmokes did it again, and he did. Pretty direct guy. LessHeard vanU (talk) 19:41, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

The people I feel sorry for, in this instance, is FirsRon and KingTurtle (please note, usernames may not be 100% accurate - I'm going by memory) who stuck up for R's goods edits and tried to help him stay on WP. Good for Ohnoit'sJamie; it takes all sorts of admins to cover the different needs of WP. LessHeard vanU (talk) 21:51, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I think it was FirsRon and KingTurtle, and maybe some others. They are to be commended for giving this guy every chance. He let them down. It happens sometimes. Baseball Bugs 22:15, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Bugs, thank you for stepping aside when rollo came back. It made it easier to block him again when it obvious it was his own doing, and that there was no grey area of "was he being baited or led astray." Thanks again, Cheers. Kingturtle (talk) 23:36, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

User:Rollosmokes looks to be back, this time as User:Black Waves. I've moved the issue back to WP:ANI and notified whichever admins issued the original indef-blocks. --66.102.80.212 (talk) 22:10, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Bugs Bunny is up for peer review

Let's have another go at this, shall we? I've submitted Bugs Bunny for peer review. If you wish to participate, click here. — Cinemaniac (talk • contribs) 20:41, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice. I'll see if there's anything I can do. Baseball Bugs 23:59, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Heads up

Hey, just to give you a heads up. I posted a 3RR warning on PLW's talk page and figured this would be left at that. He has then reverted it a couple times and then turned it into some kind of vague threat from me. Here's the diff's: , , . Personally I would not care less as long as he had taken the semi friendly warning on board and left it at that. Yet, he seems to be taking all this very personally, he 3RR warned me and Seicer, and then removed all traces of the warning from his talk page. I felt that due to his continual confrontational attitude, that the warning should be reposted with some friendly advice to take a break and cool down. Yet, he quickly changed the name of the section, deleted the warning, and is trying to make me look like the bad guy? I'm going to back away from his page for a bit, but do you recommend anything more then that? Brothejr (talk) 00:37, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

(A cope of my reply) I had been merely trying to stop the edit/revert war from progressing farther, but I agree that it would be best to let it simmer for a while. Thanks for the advice. Brothejr (talk) 01:04, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

LOL

Puffy.... ha. Why you talkin bout My waistline?Wjmummert (talk) 03:00, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

by the way, how do you get the "whats up doc" where "talk" should be? do you manually do that every time?Wjmummert (talk) 03:00, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Lakewood Mausoleum room.JPG

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PD-self. Done. Baseball Bugs 13:16, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Wiki can go to hell.

Right it's ok for them to do this and leave there comments up still. I'm not going to put up with this BS. Bidgee (talk) 07:06, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Please remove there insults and block them if not I will be calling them an idiot since it seems to be ok for another editor to do so. One rule for one as it seems. Bidgee (talk) 07:12, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

E-mail request

This is not spam but I would like to speak with you off wiki. I can be reached at writetoomee@yahoo.com. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.245.148.120 (talk) 07:29, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't do e-mails with anons. If you want to say something, say it here. Baseball Bugs 07:32, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

It was to avoid trolls and wikistalkers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.245.148.120 (talk) 07:38, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, give me a hint. What's the general subject matter? You've got like 3 edits, 2 of which are to my page, so I don't know who you are or what this could be about. Baseball Bugs 07:42, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

You are "Baseball" Bugs.

Yeh, so? Baseball Bugs 07:46, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

This user has not specified a valid e-mail address, or has chosen not to receive e-mail from other users.

How can I send a secret snark when you're playing coy? - brenneman 07:55, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, OK, I tell ya what... I'll consult my lawyer... and if he advises me to do it... I'll get a new lawyer. :) Baseball Bugs 07:58, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Regarding Bharatveer's allegations against Fowler&fowler

These are the diffs I (will get an account soon) found "threatful" http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Moreschi&diff=prev&oldid=226880350 http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Kerala_school_of_astronomy_and_mathematics&diff=prev&oldid=226878753 Was just trying to solve the riddle... anyways keep it up! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.182.60.172 (talk) 12:07, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't see a threat anywhere in there. Baseball Bugs 14:27, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Lou Gehrig

I'm considering this for GAR. See my message to User talk:Kingturtle#Lou Gehrig. Your thoughts? JGHowes - 16:06, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

I'll see what I can do. Baseball Bugs 16:15, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

fyi, I've listed this article at WP:Good article reassessment/Lou Gehrig/1 JGHowes - 00:05, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Tbb

if you don't reply...

if you don't reply to a troll, the troll has nothing to respond to, and no way to bait you. try the silent treatment for a full week. see what happens. Kingturtle (talk) 22:07, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

You took the bait. Let it alone. Don't get sucked in. Kingturtle (talk) 20:56, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Discussion

I would like to request your audience here. I look forward to any input you may have. Libro0 (talk) 23:00, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

NPOV

Hey, quick question, can we consider the NPOV issue over at Urban Exploration resolved? The edits you did have stood and seem to be supported by the consensus? Brothejr (talk) 00:19, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Ok then, I'll remove the tag and then we can move on. Thank you very much for your help! Brothejr (talk) 01:31, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Why am I not being included in the discussion of whether to remove the tag? Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 09:26, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I Guess It's Moot Now, But...

Greetings from California. It is not necessarily my business but I could not help but take not of your recent interactions with User:Rollosmokes over some television station article editing. I had a couple of similar set-tos with this editor in the month previous. I decided that I had better uses for my time than to war with this individual for whom reason and rationality had long left the building. I had no idea then that his fulminations were standard operating procedure; I thought that he for some reason had taken a particular dislike to my edits and even to my own personality. Congratulations to you for sticking to principle, working for the betterment of Misplaced Pages and contributing to the exit of this gaseous user. May he find some distant avenue for his bilious energy. Lantana11 (talk) 03:15, 24 July 2008 (UTC)Lantana11Lantana11 (talk) 03:15, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

History of Indiana

Bugs, so far as I know you and I have never had a problem with each other. I don't consider you an adversary, an enemy, hostile to me or someone I'm hostile to. I didn't mean my comments at ANI to imply anything to the contrary or be personal in any way. I hope they didn't read as if they were. I admire and appreciate the work of yours I've seen. I hope you'll understand that the policy at WP:SEASON isn't meant to confer ownership on the article's creator; it's meant to stop date warring. In fact the policy doesn't necessarily protect the original version, but any long-term stable consensus version. The policy is "leave it the way you found it" not "leave it the way it was originally created" unless there's a substantive reason supported by a clear consensus to change. I'm sure you'll agree that the consensus expressed in the discussion is to leave the article with the BCE/CE era style intact. I just reverted your last edit to restore that. I hope you'll appreciate that the main contributors to the article are trying to get it to FA status and came to ANI looking for relief from the disruption they were experiencing. I intend leaving the article alone now and hope you will do the same.

Best wishes and happy editing. --Steven J. Anderson (talk) 05:57, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm not one of the main editors of the article; I only got involved there because of the date warring. Also I'm not one of the editors seeking FA status. I jumped in to try to do something about disruption by the IPs. Therefore, I don't know why some dates are linked and some aren't. I'm pretty sure there's been a policy-change or clarification on date linking some time in the last months or so because I've seen bots going through articles delinking dates. Sorry, don't have a link to substantiate this. --Steven J. Anderson (talk) 14:52, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

I stand corrected. I should have said that The era style was encyclopedic, scholarly and apppropriate the way it was, not the article. I didn't necessarily intend to link round-number years. I just hit the undo button then made a change in the edit window so that all era styles were the same. --Steven J. Anderson (talk) 15:19, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

American Indoor Football Association

I apolgize for using the words legal action in my comments. it was uncalled for and won't happen again.

How can i get the truth and the facts on this page. There is alot on there that does not belong there.

What can i do to help me resolve this.

Thanks,

Michaelmink

Take the advice of the user who posted on your page. He knows what he's talking about. Baseball Bugs 06:35, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Copyright Dates

Do you think your newly created articles should have space for the copyright dates related to the cartoons? Agtax 22:10, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Looney_Tunes_and_Merrie_Melodies_filmography

I saw your comment on that talk page talking about copyright and release dates. Don't you think there should be a copyright section merged into the articles Fan90 created? That's what I meant. Agtax 23:52, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Ballpark films

I think that expanding it to all sports might be a good idea. Adding a chart to it might make it look nicer, perhaps with a references column (we could probably find most through a Google search). It would be nice to have a lead too. Maybe we could get a few more guys from WP:BASEBALL to help out? Blackngold29 17:46, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Left this comment on the talk page of the article as well: IMDB.com is a reliable source for filming locations. All you would have to do link to a stadium and it will show all films that used that location. For instance, all movies that used Yankee Stadium is listed here.Neonblak (talk) 17:19, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

So this has to potential to be a pretty large list, I don't have a problem with this of course. Then use the same format that is eventually established with this list to create one for Football Stadiums, Basketball Arena, etc. I suppose that it would need additional sources to pass muster with the wiki community that doesn't like articles/lists to be created from a single source.Neonblak (talk) 17:19, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Side benefit

If putting things on my radar keeps them off the radar of other, more respectable and productive editors, then my job is done. -Dewelar (talk) 23:36, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Hey, I cut my teeth on Usenet. I know how these things work. :-D -Dewelar (talk) 23:47, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Pudge Rodriguez

I moved this here, if this is left in my talk page its just a matter of time until they start coming

When I saw "native country", I said, "Whoa!" This is a misleading statement. Puerto Rico is arguably "semi-independent", but that's not the same thing as being "independent". To call it a "native country" is factually incorrect. How about "birthplace" instead? Baseball Bugs 15:17, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

And if you're wondering what I was doing on that page, it was not to push politics, it was to read about his trade to the Yankees. Baseball Bugs 15:18, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Believe me, you don't want go into the "country" or "no country" argument, you have no idea how far that has gone, now I can tell you by definition Puerto Rico isn't part of the United States either. Now to what we came, since the archipelago established "sports autonomy" (that reads weird as hell in English, its actually Autonomia deportiva) its not uncommon seeing it organizing competitions indepently, or for that matter beating the crap out of the U.S., Canada, China and so on from time to time. Pudge represented Puerto Rico period, no more is needed. - Caribbean~H.Q. 15:28, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

I didn't have time to read that last comment, promoting the Yankees is actually more evil than pushing politics. - Caribbean~H.Q. 15:30, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

To characterize Puerto Rico as a separate country, without qualification, is POV-pushing. I'm well aware that it's a hot-button issue. But as long as the U.S. Congress has some say in Puerto Rican affairs, they are not fully independent. There has to be a way to say it differently, e.g. "birthplace" instead of "country". P.S. I do not promote the Yankees. Let me put it a different way: I wanted to see why the Tigers had bailed on the 2008 season and maybe given the Yankees what they need to go to the playoffs yet again. Curse them Yankees anyway. >:( Baseball Bugs 15:38, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm not going to discuss that, this roll has been around since the US invaded the main island, if you ask me I'm glad that the political panorama has changed in the last year, this argument may be nearing its end, finally. The Tigers traded Pudge because they think he is going downhill, he may be one of the best in the game but he isn't going to last forever. - Caribbean~H.Q. 15:45, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm not removing the posts from my talk page because they are biased politically, I was moving them because political threads are to POV-pushers what honey is to flies. Politics give me headaches, that is the reason that most of my edits are based on sports or historical events or figures, that is because nobody can't challenge the past. Well he is getting old and playing catcher is not easy, but as far as the WBC goes he will have at least a decent participation next year, then Molina will have to work on the defensive while Soto takes the offensive, they aren't as balanced as he was but that possition is covered for a while. The Yankees have that curse, they get an All-Star and then they start losing, just look at A-Rod, a huge investment and they still haven't won a World Series since they got him. - Caribbean~H.Q. 16:00, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

I only revert if someone goes around claiming "Puerto Rican" is an ethnicity, that nationality is one of the few possitive things that Spain gave us, and we were lucky to have it so far, there used to be a curency but that fell flat on its ass when it was devaluated by 60% a hundred years ago. Frankly, I don't think that the US wants to control the future of PR anymore, times have changed and our location isn't strategic anymore, that is the main reason behing the perception that the government is gaining more autonomy, I don't think that the congress will oppose a complete "free association" the next time around, and with two parties jumping on the "sovereignty " bandwagon... - Caribbean~H.Q. 16:38, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

"That's plural" was a grammatical correction, fly → flies. Anyway, I do think that the Yankees' bomber was yanked from service a while ago, unless they consider bombing their own stadium an accomplishment. - Caribbean~H.Q. 16:45, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Fidel may be dead by now, unless he has only one set of clothes and has gone mute since 2007, I get a feeling that they are laying it down slowly to lessen the impact, but these videos might have been filmed a while ago. Back in 1898, naval warfare was by far vital for most strikes, being placed in the exact middle of the map had its advantages, now a F-22 can fly halfway trough the globe in a few hours and return home before dinner. - Caribbean~H.Q. 16:58, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

That reminds me, I need to go clean the backyard, we get them python here when it gets hot, they seem to be migrating north from the Everglades lately on summer vacation or something, and if you let the grass grow... - Caribbean~H.Q. 17:14, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Trivia time

My dad and I were talking about Jack Wilson, who has stated he plans on playing 10 seasons and then retiring. He's been on the Pirates since 2001, he made the all-star team once. And thanks to Pittsburgh's wonderul owners he has never been on a winning team. So we were wondering if he is close to having played the most seasons without a winning one? I figured if somebody would know, you would. I don't know if anyone was on the Phillies for that long when they had their drought (if not then he's definately in the running for consecutive losing seasons with one team) or someone who kept getting shuffled around and caught a lot of bad breaks. Any thoughts?Blackngold29 19:17, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

By "winning team", do you mean a winning record? Or a World Series winner? For the latter, I'd think Ty Cobb would have to be up there. —Wknight94 (talk) 19:27, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

For longest time in the bigs without being on a winner, Ernie Banks comes to mind. Longest time spent with a below-.500 team would require some research. I don't recall having seen any records on that. I was thinking Ted Lyons is a good candidate. He was a Chicago White Sox lifer, from mid-1923 through early 1946. 1927-1935 were losing seasons for the Sox, a 9 year stretch. The thing is, if a player isn't very good, he's not going to be around long, and if he is good, he's typically going to be traded in hopes of getting several-for-one. So I don't have a good answer on this one. Baseball Bugs 19:38, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh, Cobb went much longer. 24 seasons. He lost three World Series early on - including the Cubbies' last one - and never returned to the postseason. Reminded me of an early baseball version of Dan Marino. —Wknight94 (talk) 19:54, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

I was thinking of Ernie Banks as perhaps the most prominent Hall-of-Famer who was never in a post-season series. Ted Lyons also played parts of 24 seasons without post-season action, although as with Banks, the team got above .500 a few times during his sentence, er, career. Just think if Cobb had stuck with the A's one more year, he finally could have had a World Series ring. C'est la vie. Baseball Bugs 20:04, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

And in comparing with Cobb and Marino, what about Cal Ripken, whose biggest hurrah was soon after his streak started, although he also saw some post-season action in the late 1990s. Baseball Bugs 20:17, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Anyway, I'm assuming Blackngold means .500 seasons, as the Bucs haven't been at or above .500 since their heartbreaking NLCS loss to the Bravos in 1992. We at least have a benchmark in Ted Lyons - we know the record is at least 9 seasons of being on a below-.500 team (I'm not sure what to do with exactly .500, if that becomes an issue, but I'm inclined not to count it, as it's not a losing season). So we would first have to make a list of every 10-years-or-more stretch of below-.500 seasons. Then scan the rosters and look for likely candidates. That in itself would take several long weekends. Unless someone else has done it already. I'm not sure how to look for something like that in Google. It's not a conventional baseball "record", it's more like "trivia". Baseball Bugs 20:17, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Big difference between Cobb/Marino and Ripken ---- Ripken won it all! The other two were loud and outspoken in their early chances but never actually won. For the correct answer, how about Chuck Klein? Lefty O'Doul? Someone else on the horrible Phillies teams around 1930? —Wknight94 (talk) 20:48, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Oooo, how about Cy Williams? 1918-1930! We have a new leader... And tack on his last three years with the Cubs too. That's 15 16 years in a row. —Wknight94 (talk) 20:53, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

And that complicates matters. I hadn't even thought about a poor schmo who would get traded from one team to another at the wrong time. 16 straight years with below .500 teams. That's either dedication or desparation. Baseball Bugs 20:57, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh, but if we're limiting this to entire careers, I'm wrong. Williams had a couple winning seasons early on. —Wknight94 (talk) 20:58, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Got to be someone from the Phillies between 1918-48. First guy I came up with was Hugh Mulcahy, who had a 9-year career (8 with the Phils, 1 tail-end with the Pirates), all below .500. Got to be someone better than that, though. -Dewelar (talk) 21:14, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh, sorry I took so long. I meant longest career (seasons or games I guess would work) with no winning seasons. A "winning season" as .500 or better. I guess a player whose good enough to play in the majors, but not fortunate enough to get traded. Blackngold29 23:45, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

No winning seasons at all? Well that rules out everyone Wknight94 and I named. Baseball Bugs 00:34, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

But not Jack Wilson. ;) btw, I found this picture of him, now I'm no expert, but I would think that's close to Featured picture material. Blackngold29 01:20, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

And not Hugh Mulcahy, as mentioned above. His nickname was the very appropriate "Losing Pitcher" :) . -Dewelar (talk) 02:05, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

A nickname like that is enough to make you go into some other line of work. It kind of reminds me of Bob "Suitcase" Seeds who playe for 5 different clubs in 11 seasons. Baseball Bugs 02:18, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Warner Bros. Cartoons content dispute

User talk:70.119.13.45 insists on deleting a portion of the Warner Bros. Cartoons article when the studio was closed circa 1964 when animated titles for The Porky Pig Show was produced by Hal Seeger in New York. Steelbeard1 (talk) 19:32, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Ralph Kiner

"I think it was you that added a bunch of fact tags to Kiner's article back on July 19th. Several of those items are already covered in the external links. What's the point of linking the same information 2 or more times in the same article? Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 15:47, 2 August 2008 (UTC)"

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Slater79"

Answer- Probably because I'm only human, and I make mistakes sometimes. What was the point of making such a mountain out of a molehill? What was the point of not giving me the benefit of the doubt that I just happened to not see the external links that you mentioned? (which I DIDN'T). I don't have all day to be editing Misplaced Pages. You could have been a little bit more polite in what you wrote to me. I've ALREADY had a rotten day. Give me a break! If I inadvertantly made a mistake, then I'm SORRY! Every other person has been polite who has written to me to call me on an error that I've made. What is the point of your being so rude in the tone of what you wrote to me? Is it really necessary? Please be more civil in what you write, and people will be more civil to you, as well. Slater79 (talk) 02:14, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Image:NWA Plane over Lake Harriet 020623.JPG

Hello! I came across the picture doing image sorting. I've identified it as a Boeing 757. Thanks for adding it to our collection. :D E_dog95' 03:45, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Fedora article

All my edits to the Fedora article comply with Misplaced Pages rules and guidelines, and some are based on other people's comments on the talk page. The article was in drastic need of cleaning up, and it still needs a lot of work( including references) to reach Misplaced Pages standards.Spylab (talk) 17:46, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Cocaine blues

Thanks! Much better. BobFromBrockley (talk) 14:52, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Copyright problems with Image:KillebrewBanner020501.JPG

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IP on U

BASEBALLS BUGS IS AN UGLY IGNORANT FOOL —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.49.166.166 (talk) 23:09, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

How dare you call me ugly? >:( Baseball Bugs 00:07, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

I dare because its true --190.49.166.166 (talk) 00:26, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Ugh! I almost stepped in the poop! - BillCJ (talk) 03:20, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

When are you leaving Misplaced Pages? You have been talking about it for some time. Would this be another Michael Jordan, Roger Clemens, or Brett Favre situation. Enlighten us!! --Bob Purkey (talk) 17:47, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Never. Baseball Bugs 17:58, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Rusty Stars

Old Glory

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		I hereby bestow the Barnstar of Dilligence to Wahkeenah for his persistence in keeping the Flag of the United States article free from vandals. — BQZip01 — 00:05, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Minny Ha-Ha-Happy Returns

		The Original Barnstar
		To Wahkeenah, on the occasion of Minneapolis, Minnesota reaching featured article. -Susanlesch 04:56, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

← Shucks, folks, I'm speechless.

Very Sorry...

I should have asked you for permission before deleting my own comment regarding a particular user ("I Guess It's Moot Now, But..."), and I hope that there was no violation of either the spirit or the letter of Wiki policies. I thought in retrospect that these words were rather harsh and perhpas regrettable--and now irrelevant anyway. But it is your talk page after all. Pardon any inconvenience. Lantana11 (talk) 21:18, 8 August 2008 (UTC)Lantana11Lantana11 (talk) 21:18, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Reason for this whole thing was this: it seems I came across some piece of policy that stated "don't mock" former Wikipedians or those who have been indef-blocked. So I thought I'd just creep in and creep out with removal of my disparagement. Again--sorry.

No problem. Baseball Bugs 01:43, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

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ABN AMRO

Hello again. It looks as if the ABN AMRO is unlocked now. At the writing, the only new edits are positive ones in which the last remaining mentions of "ABN Amro" were corrected to ABN AMRO. So we should watch the article closely to avoid more edit and renaming wars. Steelbeard1 (talk) 17:47, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

2008 Olympics attack on American nationals (2nd nomination)

I have re-nominated this article for deletion. Please provide your input to the discussion. --Elliskev 17:17, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Why an editor of two years...

I'm not sure if I'm wasting my time here; I think it's likely that you view me with contempt and take my remarks about your position, which I genuinely have trouble understanding, personally. I saw that you were puzzled that "someone editing for two years" would persist in disagreeing with you about applying the MOS, and I wanted to come here and invite you to at least understand my perspective. The tone of that comment and some others suggest to me that you believe that I'm a troll or vandal or something like it, which puzzles me because I can see from your side that you're at least operating in good faith. (Or at least most of the time, anyway, implying that you'll "take me to ANI just like some guy who got blocked" is pushing it at the very least.) My issue is that every guideline we have that deals with naming, both in letter and spirit, calls for standard English. I've been involved with this issue for a while, and I've found that the people who are most adamant about ignoring the guidelines are the people who are fans/clients/employees of the given band, brand, or company. Most people, when approaching the issue from a broader context, tend to recognize the value behind the guideline, which I've articulated before and won't rehash again here.

The reason I care about this is that there was clearly NOT consensus to use "AMRO" when the page was returned there. My feeling is that, whatever you think of the first RM discussion, it was closed as move to "Amro," which is the style more in line with our MOS. I opened up a second RM discussion because the "straw poll" that Steelbeard1 opened was obviously going to have our three votes and then the votes of whomever else he canvassed to come support him. Using the RM procedure invites other editors, who are less likely to have a vested interest, to participate in the discussion. You may have considered the matter settled because there were more of you interested in arguing with me on the talk page, but if you count up all the opinions on the talk page at the time, it was basically divided evenly between the two styles. Had there been evidence of a consensus to use AMRO without the move, then there wouldn't have been much for me to say or do about it, and I'd have left the issue alone. I hope that you'd feel the same way if the consensus went against you, but I have to confess that I have serious concerns about whether or not you would really be willing to abide by such a consensus.

I don't want to discuss the merits of the issue here, since that discussion belongs somewhere that other editors would be more inclined to comment on it. I'd just ask you to consider whether Misplaced Pages should really be the most prominent source using these nonstandard styles within article text. Do we follow secondary sources, or do we just do what the advertising department of the band/company want us to do? Croctotheface (talk) 19:52, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Your complaint has been noted and logged. Baseball Bugs 19:56, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

It's hardly a complaint. I came here because I saw your comment and thought that you genuinely might want to know what has been motivating me. We've both been editing here a while, and it's probably better for us to at least understand each other. If you don't feel that way, OK, and I'm sorry I wasted both of our time. Croctotheface (talk) 20:08, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't get why the so-called manual of style takes precedence over getting it right. Baseball Bugs 20:34, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

I mean, I don't know that I want to wade back into the whole discussion here. I'll respond to this comment if you like, but we've probably each made about 50 posts directed toward each other on that topic, and we're just not going to see eye to eye. I had meant for this to be something of an olive branch, something to say that while I will argue forcefully for my position, it's not something that either of us should take personally. I'm not a troll or vandal, as you saw if you looked at my edit history. There are probably times when, in the past, I argued just as forcefully for a position that you agree with. You can dislike me if you want, but I took that "editor of two years" comment to indicate that you're willing to try to understand my perspective. That's all I meant to do by posting here. Croctotheface (talk) 20:45, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

I make no personal attack here. I question behavior. I don't know anyone here well enough to question their soul. Ya dig? Baseball Bugs 20:47, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

What about my behavior, even, is questionable? Did I edit war? Did I implement my desired changes by brute force? All I've done is disagree with you. Croctotheface (talk) 20:58, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

The endless loop. The consant posing of hypotheticals which have no bearing on this specific case, while also not answering my questions about Sanyo, for example. The seemingly obsessive dependence on a manual of style vs. doing what's right to make wikipedia not look like we're ignorant. Baseball Bugs 21:09, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

I think that using "ABN AMRO" makes us look ignorant, actually. Your statement about what makes WP "look ignorant/stupid" is buy no means something that everyone would agree with. Saying that it's a bad idea to use one style or another begs the question. We're supposed to be discussing which style is better. You want me to accept as a given that I am wrong. Your "ignorance" formulation just precludes anyone from taking the other side. Croctotheface (talk) 21:19, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Spelling the company name using its legal business name makes us look ignorant? Tell me another one. Baseball Bugs 23:46, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

I came here because I thought that you might want to understand where I'm coming from. If you just want to take that I'm wrong as an article of faith and have no interest in understanding my side, that's fine. Just tell me so that I won't waste both of our time. Croctotheface (talk) 01:54, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

What I understand is that you're too hung up on pedantic rules. The first rule is, get it right. Baseball Bugs 02:01, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

And I'm saying that this dispute is not over "should we obey 'pedantic rules' or do what's right." The people who disagree with you do not somehow concede that the style you like is "right" and the one we like is "wrong." The dispute is OVER which one is right. The style I favor is used much more frequently, and I think that it's the right style to use. If the MOS said "use all caps if the company does," I'd still think that "Amro" is right; this is not about some slavish adherence to guidelines. When you characterize my position this way, you just reject it out of hand, which you're certainly entitled to. But if you don't accept my position in good faith, if you don't want to understand what my position actually is, then OK, I won't continue to engage you because it's a waste of both our time. Croctotheface (talk) 02:30, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

The company's name is all caps, and there are plenty of sources that call them by all caps. It doesn't matter which style you favor or I favor. All that matters is what it is, which is all caps. Baseball Bugs 02:36, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Could you just respond to my question: are you interested in understanding me here or not? I came here because I genuinely thought that you might be. Croctotheface (talk) 02:42, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

You keep coming at me like a lawyer or something. What I understand is that you think some arbitrary, generalistic rule should trump the actual name of a company, and that is not the right way to do things. Baseball Bugs 02:51, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

I'll just take that as a no. Croctotheface (talk) 02:59, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Throughout this tedious debate, you've constantly tried to put the answers in my mouth, so this is no exception. Baseball Bugs 03:03, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

I asked that question over and over. It's a simple question. I came here because I thought that we might at least be able to reach an understanding, but every time I've invited you to do that, or even invited you to say you were interested in doing that, you refused to answer. If you won't actually tell me what you think, what am I left to do but take my best guess? That said, I think it's clear that for whatever reason, you and I are not going to reach an understanding, so I don't think it's a useful exercise for either of us to persist in this discussion here. Croctotheface (talk) 03:07, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm not real sure what the question was, buried somewhere in that initial essay. I have no connection whatsoever to that company, in fact I never heard of it until this debate came along. But I don't like wikipedians claiming that they have the right to define what the name of a company is. That is not our place. Our place is to report facts. And the plain fact is that that company's legal name is all caps. Baseball Bugs 03:24, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

(removing indents) Here's my question, which I asked more than once in a way that I thought was pretty clear: are you interested in understanding me here or not? Do you refuse to accept that there is reasoned disagreement about which style is right to use? Croctotheface (talk) 02:42, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm interested in understanding why you think an arbitrary rule is more important than the demonstrable fact in this case. Baseball Bugs 03:34, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Because "what the company does" is not persuasive to me, just like it's not persuasive to the dozens if not hundreds of publications that use the style I favor. Considering that, I'm really confused about why you seem to view my position with such dismissive contempt. All those publications, and you don't seem to think that reasonable people can disagree. Croctotheface (talk) 03:43, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

If you really think the company doesn't have the right to determine its own name, we're done. Baseball Bugs 04:21, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

It can call itself what it wants. That doesn't mean that we need to use that style every time we write it. ABN Amro's legal name is actually "ABN AMRO Holdings N.V." We don't use that every time, for good reason. We can truncate it. Likewise, we need not use the precise style that they do, either. However, I take it from the "we're done" that you do not respect my position, which is your prerogative, and as such I will give up and apologize for wasting your time and mine trying to reach an understanding. Croctotheface (talk) 04:42, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Satchel Paige and Rookie status

When Paige joined the Indians in 1948, there were many comments about him being the oldest rookie in MLB history. The fact is that he was considered (by sportswriters) a rookie in 1948, a perception that persisted for many years after, but Paige himself found that designation insulting, and announced that if he DID win the RoY award that year, he would refuse it (didn't have to, as he received zero votes).

Such "records" as "oldest" and "youngest" player to do whatever have never been official MLB records, so calling it a "record for oldest rookie" is a bit of a misnomer to begin with. Whether Paige is considered to have been a rookie in 1948 depends upon the individual researcher/historian, and whether or not they consider the Negro Leagues to have had an average talent level that was equivalent or near-equivalent of MLB.

While it is freely accepted that the best players of Nippon Pro Baseball are of MLB (and possibly HoF) caliber, it is also accepted that the average talent level is still somewhere near Triple-A level. They can base such assumptions on direct comparisons of player performance when moving betwen the leagues, something they had little chance (nor inclination) to do in the 1940s. I know that Paige did better in the American League in 1948 than he did in the NAL earlier that same year.

Concluding, since there are no official MLB records that considers age and there is wide debate as to whether the Negro Leagues' talent level should be assessed as minor or major league equivalence, I would not call Satchel Paige a 42-year-old "rookie". - -Couillaud (talk) 21:59, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Re "oldest player at MLB debut": I have no problem with that kind of description, though saying he "holds the record" for his age would not be factual, simply because there really is no official "record" of that kind to hold.

FYI, before Paige took the mound on 9 July 1948, the oldest age at debut (42 years and two days) was Chuck Hostetler, who was 40 years, five months, and 27 days old when he debuted in April 1944, one of those infamous "graybeards" of WW2. Paige's status was challenged only once when pitcher Diomedes Olivio played his first game at the age of 41 years, 7 months, and 14 days. He missed Paige by 141 days. So yes, Paige is indeed the oldest player to debut in the majors. -- Couillaud (talk) 05:58, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

August 2008

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As much as I detest templated warnings, I have to (very reluctantly) agree with Rwiggum. You've way overposted at that particular AFD, bugs. If I recall correctly, this genre of afds (those of people that have met their untimely deaths) seems to grab your interest. Please stop posting at this one. Everyone there knows your views. Adding a "comment" under everyone elses' opinion does nothing to solve the AFD, it merely makes it more contentious. Pretty please? Stop posting there? Keeper ǀ 76 23:37, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Stadiums idea

I'm just kind of throwing this out there, I don't know if it'll catch on. I've been doing the Pirates' stadiums (PNC Park and Three Rivers Stadium are GAs) and I started thinking that it would be cool to get a Featured topic for the current stadiums of MLB. We'll need about 7 FAs and the rest GAs to get that, so it'll take a while. I figured if we need that many FAs we should make them the best stadiums (Wrigley, Fenway, Camden Yards). If I recall correctly you are a Cubs fan, so would you be interested in helping with Wrigley Field? I was able to do the Pitt ones fairly quickly (I wrote Heinz Field in one day), but I had a good deal of knowledge about them going in which won't be the case for most other ones. I thought I'd throw it out to you and then we could go to WP:BASE and see if anyone else would be interested. Thoughts? Blackngold29 02:45, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

If you could just get it started, I'm sure I could help some. I try to take FAs real slow. If you have any books that have info about the funding, building, or planning that's usually where I start. Just dump a bunch of random stuff into a sandbox and then worry about paragraph writing later. I was gonna do Forbes Field next, surprisingly I have way more info on that than 3 Rivers, but anything you need just let me know. Blackngold29 02:52, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh, yeah it's better than I thought. I wrote all mine from scratch, because they were nowhere near Wrigley's quality. It doesn't have any in-line citations, I guess you could do those if you want. Just anything you find that needs work on it, really. Blackngold29 03:19, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Harmon Killebrew GA review

Since I was talking to you on blackngold's talk page, I figured I might leave this message directly for you as well. The review is complete. There are a few issues holding it back from GA status. I've put the article on hold for one week to give the editors time to address them. I will revisit the article in a week, or if you feel the issues are taken care of sooner than that, you're free to let me know at any time. Nosleep (talk) 08:00, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

I know how that can be. The GA review is located at Talk:Harmon Killebrew, transcluded from a subpage. Like I said, I'll be back to revisit the article in one week, unless I'm asked to come back sooner. Nosleep (talk) 08:09, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

That's of course up to you. Nosleep (talk) 08:29, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Scopes trial

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• You have to justify why this image is fair use in the article. I'm not convinced that it is fair use. I can't tell you what wording to use. -Nv8200p talk 13:46, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
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Bugs

I still haven't figured out what Bugs Bunny has to do with baseball. I suppose I would like to ask you for help. If the other side (they aren't evil, just misguided) can enlist their minions or support, then I feel I can ask you for your assistance at the 2008 Olympics incident page. How are you by the way? Overmoon (talk) 09:26, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

See Baseball Bugs. As to your question, the article name was long enough already, and you've made it longer. Either way, it's obscure and will require various redirects for anyone to be able to find it. And am I supposed to know you from somewhere? Baseball Bugs 08:02, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Censorship on Wiki

Saw your comments on ANI re the German murderer "courtesy" flap, and you said it. Just goes to show that Misplaced Pages needs to decide soon whether it wants to focus on accuracy or being "nice." Can't be both, because reality isn't "nice." Aunt Entropy (talk) 23:02, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Good work

Bugs, I think in one of our first converstaions, I was trying to explain the necessity of using proper souces, or something along those lines. Since then, I've watched your work in various baseball related articles, the basball project, and on a few other type articles too. I just want to say you've done a great job learning the ropes around here, and have become a valuable editor. I especially appreciate you taking the forefront on the Braves division win-streak issue. Having been through that issue a few times before, it was nice not to be the one carrying all the water! So thanks for the good work, and I hope you can continue it. - BillCJ (talk) 03:20, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Zounds and egad

Re this, I swear to Zeus, Jimi Hendrix, or any other deity of your choice that I had no idea there were vulgar connotations to that name. I just thought it was a funny name from the Piranha Brothers skit. Raymond Arritt, editing for the nonce as Basil "Basil" Fawlty (talk) 01:57, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, I thought it was a clever and subtle reference to Vagina dentata (now there's an article I'd like to see one of our adolescent vandalismos try to put a "penis" in ... ) Antandrus (talk) 17:17, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Hello

I'm no Virgin!

you're welcome to have sex with me sometime.

call me: 07981041079

xxx

PushMyCrumpet PopMyCherry AndCallMeTina (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 17:35, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

I'll get back to you on that. Probably sometime next millennium. Meanwhile, always use a contraceptive. Baseball Bugs 17:40, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for removing that comment at ANI, especially because I know you disagreed with my perception of it. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 18:13, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Betacommand's recent unblock

You might want to look at this, where your comments about Betacomannd are being taken to be supportive of the recent unblock, which is not how I took them. Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) 00:35, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Question from Fangusu

How is my wording poor in Elmer's Candid Camera? Fangusu (talk) 04:43, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

The changes add no new info, and "except for that" is slangy and inappropriate. Baseball Bugs 05:42, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

what is your problem with michael jackson??

i just want to know what you have against the man, i cannot expet everyone to be keen on his music but you have to remember that he has not touched a kid and was found inersant - would you let your kid sleep in a bed with him?? i would put any of my kids in bed with michaels and sleep easily myself nowing that they were safe. even mcauley culkin was safe and although they may be close friends to say that he is abusing and using them to touch him intimately is and cannot be truth!!

leave him alone he is an innocent!! Danforthkeeton (talk) 15:38, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

You must have me confused with someone else, as I have no clue what you're talking about. Baseball Bugs 15:41, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

you know!!

he HAS been accused of child abuse BUT

was found innocent-----> so!

not fair to call him a child molester or and kind of kidsex, RIGHT. Danforthkeeton (talk) 16:01, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

What edit are you even talking about? What page? —Wknight94 (talk) 16:09, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

MICHAEL JACKSON

The King of POP! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Danforthkeeton (talk • contribs) 16:23, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

FPaS RFC

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BHS

Thanks, I wouldn't have even noticed it but you made an edit and the article popped up in my watchlist, so I thought I'd see what it looked like these days. IvoShandor (talk) 20:09, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Theft

Just FYI, I ripped off a userbox from your user page, and fiddled with it a bit. I put it up here. Hope you don't mind. Ed Fitzgerald "unreachable by rational discourse" 09:01, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Your sarcasm

Your thread is inappropriate based on sarcasm. You would not say that you enjoy any repeated harassment by the troll for a long time. I already had several bogus files on me at ANI. (just three days ago) I filed to request for blocking him in his IP range, so I strongly request you to retract the thread. Thanks.--Caspian blue (talk) 19:38, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

I was trying to get the attention of the admins. You need to address the issue directly. You've got the admin confused also. Baseball Bugs 19:40, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm very frustrating at the repeated harassment by the troll. Just look at Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/Documentingabuse and Misplaced Pages talk:Requests for checkuser/Case/Documentingabuse. --Caspian blue (talk) 19:44, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Don't tell me, tell the admin. Baseball Bugs 19:46, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Quite silly answer. You keep nagging me to show 'diff' 'diff', because you want to know more. So I got you know the easiest way to perceive the case.--Caspian blue (talk) 22:20, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

You've told me nothing useful. We're done here. Baseball Bugs 22:27, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Your involvements at the ANI are nothing useful, indeed. So long.--Caspian blue (talk) 22:32, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

I tried to help. I reverted that IP character several times. It's plain you don't want help. You just want to complain. Baseball Bugs 22:36, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Did you really expect me to dig all diffs to make you fill your curiosity? I was very busy to report the anon to AIV, and you showed to take more interested in listening to the indef.blocked user's excuses. That is not helpful. So long.--Caspian blue (talk) 22:39, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

I only asked for 3 diffs, AT MOST. Even 1 would do. And since I know nothing of the issue, I wanted to hear both sides. I've got a hunch you're in the right, but I'm not taking your word for it, I want to see a specific example of the problem. Baseball Bugs 22:41, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Whose judgement where?

Whose judgement where?

Now, bugs, I was very willing to play fair over this. Making an allegation of a race hate campaign, a persistent effort to game the Korean-Japanese pages, is not a superficial matter.

I have been watching, and documenting, this for months and many people's time is being wasted. I am not simply playing sock over this, I want to be very open and honest but I am asking for reason in return. --58.94.57.6 (talk) 20:22, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

I don't need months worth of research, just 3 good examples of controversial content in articles so I have some idea what this is about. Baseball Bugs 20:24, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

OK. I will do. But please leave the prior evidence in.

And, please, tell them to stop blocking IPs address. Its a waste of time. --125.204.110.203 (talk) 20:32, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

YOU tell them. I have no authority with admins. Baseball Bugs 20:33, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Who is dealing with it then? Thanks. --125.204.110.203 (talk) 20:37, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Re: Lucyintheskywithdada

I believe Caspian Blue is referring to this Message from Lucyintheskywithdada. Enjoy. --Amble (talk) 21:53, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Appreciate your work...

...on the "Request for range-blocking evading troll" AN/I thread, and elsewhere. It's so nice to see someone looking for all sides of a story, even from anonymous editors, instead of jerking their knee! Mr. IP 《Defender of Open Editing》 06:10, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I tried, anyway. Baseball Bugs 09:30, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Baseball uniforms

Nice! --Dweller (talk) 11:36, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Heh, I know nothing at all about baseball, but am half way through doing a copyedit as a favour for RyRy. Does the first half read better now? --Dweller (talk) 12:09, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

lols

Thanks for having a good sense of humor. That Sarah Palin talk page is decidedly dreary and unfunny, and every bit of levity and normality helps. Coemgenus 14:06, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

I've never seen such a feeding-frenzy here. Admittedly, I'm a small part of it now. But I'm just trying to get people to think about things, especially the absurd things. Baseball Bugs 14:20, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Pink Panther

I removed the list of cartoon episodes, as they have nothing in common with the movie, excpet for the fact that the panther appeared in the start of the movie.

--Rsrikanth05 (talk) 08:58, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Whatever. Baseball Bugs 20:58, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

And You Call Me A Troll (computing)

You think that I am a troll, then check out the user that asked if he thought he was Michael Jackson. Ericthebrainiac (talk) 14:53, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Soytenly. Baseball Bugs 18:40, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

FYI

New user —Travis 22:53, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Now that's someone who is on top of things! Blocked him before he could even make one of his stupid edits. Nice job! —Wknight94 (talk) 23:09, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Ha! I didn’t even realize it was a puppet - I just blocked due to the inappropriate username. Cheers —Travis 23:29, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Awesome. Thank you! Baseball Bugs 00:23, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Handy list

Here. Kelly 22:09, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

User talk:BehnamFarid

Stop trolling, I've already discussed this with FisherQueen on her talk page and she said that she didn't see his comment. Don't restore the comment again. Khoikhoi 04:00, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Why don't you actually read User talk:FisherQueen and you'll realize that you're not "enforcing the rules", you are indeed trolling. Khoikhoi 10:39, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

You're correct in your assessment. It is well-within our rights to sue, but we aren't allowed to say that on Misplaced Pages. But he's blocked, so I'm not sure what else you want to do. I can try to explain again to him if you want me to. He may not have realized that he cannot revoke the GFDL once he clicked the submit button, and he was trying to prevent a certain user from what he perceived as destroying an article he created, so he felt the only way to get him to "stop" was to say something like that. He didn't know about WP:NLT at the time and after I told him he backed off.

So I can talk to him if you want me to (FisherQueen and I are both admins). He wasn't community banned, only blocked for one sentence really. BTW I remember you from three years ago. Do you remember? Khoikhoi 11:13, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Haha, I thought you knew. :-) BehnamFarid has been an editor here since 2006, and a good one at that. The thing is, I think this is probably the first real editing dispute he ever got into on Misplaced Pages. So he didn't really know how to handle it correctly. That's what I think happened. And his English is quite good actually, but that's not the point. Anyways I'll see what I can do. What is your baseball team btw, I have to say I'm a Dodgers fan. Khoikhoi 18:56, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

That's my point -- he hasn't been in a real dispute for the past two years, just edits here and there on largely obscure topics to the average American. Cubs were in first place for awhile, are the Rays still ahead of them? Manny is indeed the Dodgers' savior. I gotta get a tattoo of him on my forehead one of these days. Khoikhoi 19:49, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Yeah I was kidding about the tattoo, we only have him for this season AFAIK. And you better hope that Steve Bartman doesn't show up at one of your playoff games this year. The Cubs are long overdue when it comes to winning a championship. There are only a couple people who probably remember the last time they won. Khoikhoi 02:39, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Haha, you can see more about that guy here, where he declares Kurds and Persians to be "enemies of Azeris." Anyways, good luck to the Cubs. Ciao, Khoikhoi 04:22, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

72.75.107.249

15 minutes? Hmm... I didn't mean to. Oh well, I'll reblock him if he comes back. Exploding Boy (talk) 05:24, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

I thought 15 minutes would be enough protection for the talk page. He seems to have become bored and gone away. Exploding Boy (talk) 05:54, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Cool Image

What's up Bugs. Just wanted to say, I like the image you've got for your User page (Bugs reading). Cheers. GoodDay (talk) 00:39, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

No worries, mate. Baseball Bugs 08:33, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

User talk:BehnamFarid again

Several of us, in talking about this, think it's best to just totally leave that guy alone unless he specifically asks for something. He's essentially engaged in belligerence and trolling-like behavior at this point. Baseball Bugs 21:53, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

I pretty much agree. He's sent me some lengthy emails explaining how editing Misplaced Pages is a constitutional right, or something, and I've given him Cary's email. Nothing more for us to so now. Stifle (talk) 08:31, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

MOSNUM and ANI

• Please see my response here. Greg L (talk) 00:35, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Baseball

Dear Baseball Bugs, do you like baseball? Your name seems to suggest that. We can collaborate together to make baseball-related articles better. AdjustShift (talk) 04:25, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Dat's right. What do you have in mind? Baseball Bugs 12:21, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

That's cool, bro! I've many things on my mind. I started a new article called Baseball Before We Knew It, and I will do a lot of work on baseball-related articles. I heard that Featured articles are the best articles on Misplaced Pages. Can our article on Baseball become a Featured article? AdjustShift (talk) 14:18, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

For what its worth

I like your sence of humor very witty, is thier a humor barnstar on WP?   «l| Ψrom3th3ăn ™|l»  (talk) 14:55, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

I hope NOT. Baseball Bugs 14:58, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

		The Prom3th3an Humour Barnstar
		I Prom3th3an, Almighty comedian of Misplaced Pages hereby award you (Baseball Bugs) this barnstar for doing or saying something that I found extremly humourous or otherwise witty beyond expectation. Take a bow. PS: Your name has now been crossed of my whichunt list ;)   «l| Ψrom3th3ăn ™|l»  (talk) 15:02, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

My humility is being severely tested, due to this unpresidented unprecedented(Captain hoek (talk) 02:41, 12 September 2008 (UTC)) honor. Baseball Bugs 15:23, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Re.: Stan Freberg

Fine. I'll make a special trip downtown to the offices of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, get special permission to spend a week in their morgue (neglecting all other responsibilities in the meantime), and go through a year's worth of forty-year-old newspapers one at a time to find a copy of an article to prove what I know to be true from having heard it with my own ears, just for you, because you think I might be making it up.

Or maybe not, because I actually have a life and more important things to do than neglect my children jump because a wiki-bureaucrat says "frog". -- Davidkevin (talk) 20:44, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

It's the rules. No original research. Baseball Bugs 23:25, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Classic.(Captain hoek (talk) 02:41, 12 September 2008 (UTC))

Classic bureaucratic bullshit. It was stated to a radio audience of literally thousands of people. "But we weren't alive to hear it back then, so it doesn't exist." Solipsistic bureaucratic bullshit. -- Davidkevin (talk) 14:16, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

HELP!

Hi Bugs. I see you do great work on Sarah Palin. Would you please be able to take a look at the Joseph Smith Jr page. As a very well established user, you'll have a better idea than I about whether its NPOV. Personally, as you'll see on the discussion page, I don't think it's at all well written. In particular the line 'Some measure of common sense had begun to return to Missouri leaders once the Latter Day Saints no longer posed a political threat.' irks me and i don't want to initiate an editing war by killing it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Captain hoek (talk • contribs) 22:46, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

I changed the one line. We'll see what happens. Baseball Bugs 23:26, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

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Yeh, yeh, yeh. Baseball Bugs 06:48, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Hey BB..

Andy Mabbet/Pigsonthewing has placed a statement on his user talk page for your attention (not sure if you're still following the issue: . Accordingly, please do not refer to him by that phrase again, (I think everyone either types out Pigsonthewing, refers to him by POTW, or by his name, as he does, with Andy Mabbet. Thanks :) SirFozzie (talk) 11:23, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi Bugs

Bugs, for all your hard work on the wiki since you joined us last year and for having one of my favourite usernames on the wiki, i just have to give you this for you to munch on, i know they are healthy so please enjoy :) Also for the slack you have taken on the wiki like the above comment, i hereby give you this:

My Kind of Town

Do you have a citation for the Robbo context of "My Kind of Town"?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 07:07, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes, the contents of the film. The film is the source. Baseball Bugs 07:15, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Can you add a footnote citing the claim properly so that the reader can know how to verify the statement you make. Actually, the film is a primary source. We truly need a secondary source saying what you said for a proper citation. I let an occaissional primary source slide in unusual situations. This is one. Also can you properly format your other citation about The lyric, "Each time I roam etc. Please use the citation format that the rest of the article uses if possible.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 07:22, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Snoopen

Yah, I should have posted on the board after I saw your note ... got distracted by a football game that was pissing me off. Bad to be adminning and yelling at the television set simultaneously.  :/ Antandrus (talk) 21:41, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Us guys are not so good at multi-tasking. :\ Baseball Bugs 21:50, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Wikzilla was here

Okay, happy. Now it's not just an anonymous IP address.151.204.140.88 (talk) PS Love your username. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.204.140.88 (talk) 02:24, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Coolest user page I've ever seen

Your user page is by far the best I've seen. When I first came upon it, for a second I genuinely believed that sock-puppet warning was real! It's hilarious and creative. If Misplaced Pages had an official user page designer, it would have to be you. Crackthewhip775 (talk) 20:53, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you so much! Now, if I can just apply that creativity to the actual articles, I'll be on to something. :) Baseball Bugs 06:47, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Regarding my proposed retirement - I am still wrestling with the agonicing decision pertaining to my possible retirement. I recently had a session with my priest about it. I will let you when my decision is final. Sincerely, Baseball Bugs - What's up, Doc? September 16, 2008 (UTC)

More likely my rabbi. The above is a fake by User:Ron liebman. The way you can tell is that I can actually spell English words properly. Baseball Bugs 23:14, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Category "Negro League baseball" to "Negro league baseball"

I proposed a rename from Category:Negro League baseball to Category:Negro league baseball on Misplaced Pages:Categories for discussion/Speedy at 01:52 UTC on 15 September 2008. The rename has not taken place yet, and since there seems to be some controversy, I am planning to initiate a non-speed CfD in the near future. Four of this category's subcategories have already been renamed through the speedy rename process. In each case, I was the proposer, and User:Vegaswikian was responsible for putting them in the work queue. Stepheng3 (talk) 18:29, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Correct. The ones I had moved were without any opposition and were nominated as a speedy for capitalization. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:39, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

The anti-barnstar, you say?

I believe you asked for one of these.. ;)

		The pooheadIU@13726*!@^(&!# Barnstar
		omg yr mom is GAY lol hahaha hi ashley!*&@#^I@112bshsbhud

Prince of Canada 15:00, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Kudos. Baseball Bugs 02:09, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

(Also, upon reading through your userpage.. you are a hoot. If you're ever in my neck of the woods, I have a beer with your name on it. That is.. real beer. Not the fizzy yellow water stuff y'all have down there. ) Prince of Canada 15:10, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the offer. I'm more of a soda guy, like Canada Dry for example. Baseball Bugs 02:09, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

ANI

Hi Baseball Bugs. Most of the time you're quite helpful on ANI, but on occasions, you could cut down on the snark - please? Your contributions to threads like this and this aren't really helping anyone, and they make you look kind of like a jerk. fish&karate 15:19, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Your complaint has been noted and logged. Baseball Bugs 15:21, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, all I ask. fish&karate 15:24, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

seriously

I've seen your comments (commentary) on several Minnesota pages recently. Pray tell, are you Minnesotan, either in spirit or physical location? I wouldn't have guessed as much (Minnesotans are generaly nice zing!!!!. I mean well, but seriously, I'm curious....Keeper ǀ 76 01:59, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Nah, his sense of humor is too good. Must be from South Dakota. (Billboard seen on I-90 eastbound: "you think this is boring? wait until you get to Minnesota!") Antandrus (talk) 02:03, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

There are long stretches of... well, long stretches... throughout the midwest. Baseball Bugs 02:06, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

And I recall South Dakota - the part of the Dakotas with scenery. And something resembling cities. Baseball Bugs 02:11, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

I drove across SD once. God's country for sure. Assuming of course that God likes incredibly boring non-arrable land, endless stretches of monotonous freeway, and mountains so boring that man had to carve pictures of dead US presidents on it to get anyone to visit...Keeper ǀ 76 15:05, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Me? On AN/I?

They don't like old farts like me on ANI, and frankly the place runs my blood pressure through the roof. I'm scared I'll lose it and either rip into the guy with the 10-pound legal threat who innocently claims it's not, or the guy who can't seem to find something with a gajillion sources and thinks if he throws COI he'll win his wikifight. I might check it tomorrow...or, I might catch a baseball game or go fishing. Have a nice night. (or day). -- Logical Premise 05:52, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Ah, god, I just read your user page. Thank you for the laugh, I haven't really smiled all day. :D -- Logical Premise 05:56, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Did you see their last game? I'd say I'm less of a Ranger "fan" and more of a masochist by this point. As far as the whole mess on the Walnut Street place, well, I'll let some admin do the wikimagic and by this time tomorrow next week everything will be fine. You gotta be laid back sometimes, you know? Especially if you're pulling for the Rangers, I got enough problems. :D -- Logical Premise 06:08, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Lead on Apollo hoax

Er, where does the lead say these have been debunked? I don't see that at all. Also note that there's no "baiting" going on in keeping an article compliant with NPOV. JoshuaZ (talk) 16:06, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

I know what we went through then, I kept a close watch of that discussion but frankly whether or not we need to deal with trolls or serious POV pushers isn't relevant if NPOV requires a stronger lead. Moreover, a gallup poll of the general populace is not at all the same. The general public's opinion has little relevance to the matter at hand(compare all the tired stats about the general publics basic knowledge of history, any area of science, etc.) . What actual experts think matters far more. JoshuaZ (talk) 16:13, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

And I'm saying it adds nothing to the lead. But the best defender of that article is User:Bubba73. Maybe you could pose this question to him and see what he thinks? I tend to defer to his judgment. Baseball Bugs 16:16, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

You are both good editors, in my opinion. I think that the opinion poll should be in there, to give an indication of how widespread the belief is. However, the lead probably does need to state that experts don't believe the hoax. I don't think the Armstrong biography is a good one to use for that, since all it seems to have is that one sentence, and it isn't an outside third party. I think it would be good to cite Philip Plait and maybe The Mythbusters as experts that discount the hoax theory, since they have written on it (or done a TV show about it). Bubba73 (talk), 18:51, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Excellent point. A general quote from anyone from NASA would be an inherently biased (even if true) viewpoint. Baseball Bugs 19:23, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

I've been asked again to comment, and I don't think that one line from Armstrong's biography is a good enough reference to say that the claims have been generally discounted. A better source for that would be Philip Plait's book Bad Astronomy, where he has a whole chapter about it. Bubba73 (talk), 01:07, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for your input on the "bridge controversies" topic in Sarah Palin. I hope it is not a problem that I grew up a White Sox fan. Dave Collect (talk) 23:30, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

I welcome all faiths here. And all the different sects of the Church of Baseball. I don't mind that you're a Sox fan. I only weep for you, I deeply sympathize. :) On the other hand, wouldn't a Cubs-Sox World Series be about the most awesome thing that's happened since... well, since about 1906? Baseball Bugs 23:33, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Bugs is a great editor. Sure, Bugs has unfortunate prejudices, like unfortunate baseball fandom, but has admirably managed to overcome them to achieve neutrality. And the best thing about Bugs is that he doesn't take s&^t off nobody. Max props, Bugs! Kelly 23:32, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you back. My humility is being severely tested right about now. :) Baseball Bugs 23:33, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

My late cousin who lived in Chicago would love to have seen it (are my tenses all goofed up?) I mainly liked the White Sox because they were the only hitless team with a winning record, it seemed (am I dating myself?) My main connection with baseball seems to be that I have too many cards left from my old store (by about 250,000 or so). Thanks again. Dave Collect (talk) 03:13, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

That's very sad. Maybe your cousin is watching from baseball heaven - along with seasons tickets to watch the angels now. :) And along with my late grandparents who were lifelong Cubs fans. Unless you're a Yanks fan, championships are rare and must be cherished. If you could go back in a time machine to 1908 and tell the fans, "This is all you'll get for at least 99 years," I wonder what they would think? Basically better off not knowing. Meanwhile, hang onto those baseball cards, as they can only appreciate in value. Baseball Bugs 03:19, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

My grandfather was the most faithful Twins fan you could ever imagine - all throughout my childhood, I remember him glued to his radio, entranced by every pitch. He passed away in April of 1987...in that year, the Twins went from the cellar to winning the Series. I'm positive he witnessed this all from heaven. Baseball can be a sacrament. Kelly 22:47, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

There's something about baseball that brings out this kind of feeling, I think more than any other sport in America. The closing of Yankee Stadium tonight (which is a crime perpetrated by George S. but that's another story) is dripping with sentiment, and it's all good. Even for thus of us who don't much care for the Yankees. Baseball Bugs 00:35, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

ANI is not the authority

Anyone can write anything on ANI. If you write on ANI "The cover of Time Magazine for January 30, 2007 was mistakenly not copyrighted by Time", it doesn't make it true. I am seeking the true status of the cover. I have written to Time. If I receive information from them, I will update WP. 903M (talk) 00:15, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Henry Ford

Thank you for your interest in the article.

My concern is that it is a copyright violation and a non-free use image. I've written to Time to seek proof of renewal of copyright. If they respond, I will report the findings. I am not bothered by the image if it is a permitted image. I am bothered if it is a non-free use image and we steal it. I want Misplaced Pages to be scholarly and ethically use images. 903M (talk) 00:28, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

It has already been demonstrated that the copyright was not renewed. Baseball Bugs 00:50, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Where? If it is that recent ANI, it was just one anonymous editor that said he heard it was. I seek the truth. If it turns out that it is not copyrighted, then I have no objections to free use images, when appropriate. 903M (talk) 01:09, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Seems to me there was a citation. Maybe I got that wrong. Baseball Bugs 01:40, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Maybe it's Groundhog Day

Since Ron keeps doing the same thing over and over about you retiring. --Ebyabe (talk) 22:35, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Rollback

Hiya, hope everything is good for you! Wasn't it a good game last night? Anyways, I noticed that you reverted this post. I just wanted to give you a friendly reminder that rollback is only for vandalism and not for reverting good faith edits. I'm not bothered personally but you should be aware that people have had it revoked for even a single reversion like that one. I' not an admin but know of some who just go around looking for incorrect use of rollback. Take care! :-) fr33kman 22:42, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

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