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Great

I just wanted to commend you on creating this great website. Misplaced Pages is a great resource. The fact that anyone can edit is a blessing, but, sadly, also a curse. I hope to aid you and other positive editors as much as possible in combating vandalism.

Good hunting, ~RaveRaiser blessed this place with his holy gaze~ 01:45, 21 October 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by RaveRaiser (talk • contribs)

G'day

Hi Jimbo - and thanks for engaging recently in the whole arbcom election thing - it'll no doubt move forward in a wiki way from here - it's a very good thing to have open discussion well ahead of time, in my book :-)

With that in mind, I wondered if you might share a few thoughts about your 'veto' type powers.... If there are users standing for election about whom sufficient concerns are held as to incline you to pass over their candidacy despite their performance in a community poll, would you consider letting them (and maybe the community?) know? Obviously new information could come to light at any time (this would also go for all sitting, and ex-arb.s I guess) but if you were to have present concerns to the point where you wouldn't be comfortable appointing User:Aaron Brenneman, User:Bishzilla, or indeed any of the editors from this fantastically handy guide to arbcom - I think it'd be great to try and clear that up ahead of vote counting.

...and finally - if I were to run, and poll strongly enough, would you have any objection to my serving on the committee? Privatemusings (talk) 04:40, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

I would be strongly disinclined to appoint anyone who has been reprimanded by the ArbCom less than a year ago for sockpuppeting and inappropriate BLP editing.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 15:01, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

FWIW, I agree with Jimbo's concerns. GlassCobra 13:04, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

I would think many would, Glass - and I suspect it would never get to the point where these concerns were in tension with a clear community mandate (ie. I somehow polled very strongly). If, through the mysterious ways of the will of the wiki, this were to occur however, I would hope that the community mandate would be honoured  :-) cheers, Privatemusings (talk) 01:13, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Nevertheless, we work on a basis of community consensus and decision-making around here, eh Jimbo? – Thomas H. Larsen 09:22, 23 October 2008 (UTC) Meaning that if Privatemusings received high enough community support, you would appoint him to the Committee? – Thomas H. Larsen 09:23, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Every case is considered in detail and in consultation with the ArbCom, Arbs Emeritus, and other experienced users. I won't speculate on any particular case, but will only speak in terms of general principles. In general, though, I take very seriously the idea that "the community" is not sovereign, the principles of Misplaced Pages are.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 23:24, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

It's my understanding that one of the core principles of Misplaced Pages is community-determined consensus. Am I incorrect? Furthermore, I believe that the community is more qualified to accurately determine the principles of Misplaced Pages than yourself, no disrespect intended. If each case is considered in consultation with the Abitration Committee, the Arbitrators Emeritus, and other experienced users, why do these people not decide who serves on the Committee? Or, in other words, why do you consider yourself more qualified than these experienced people to make a community decision, when you yourself have little active engagement in the day-to-day processes of the community?

I feel that you hold too much power here, and you have not voluntarily agreed to any specific limitations of this power. I would feel a good deal happier if you could write up, and abide by, a set of very clear limitations and publicly display them to the community. – Thomas H. Larsen 00:22, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

It is a system of checks and balances, and it has served us quite well. I have in fact voluntarily agreed to limitations of my power, and I will do so more and more over time. It is important that the ArbCom not be selected solely by the existing ArbCom, nor solely by me, and so it would be wrong to eliminate our voting process.

You are mistaken, by the way, if you think that I have little active engagement in the day-to-day processes of the community. I work on different issues than you do. I work daily with the ArbCom and with OTRS.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 16:42, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

If you select the candidates, and have sovereign power over who is allowed on the Committee (even if you do in most cases select the most supported candidates), then there are no checks and balances: it all comes down to one man, that is, yourself. Why not permit the community to select its own Committee's members, without your intervention?

Perhaps I was unclear when I stated that you have little day-to-day involvement with Misplaced Pages's community. I meant that you very rarely contribute actual content to articles, very rarely fall into content disputes, and very rarely participate in the normal-level community goings-on. Thus, you may be familiar with ArbCom and OTRS but you have little involvement in, say, the administrator's incidents noticeboard, et cetera, et cetera. Since you aren't familiar with where the issues that ArbCom and OTRS deal with actually start, you are, in my humble opinion at least, unqualified to deal with the issues at all, and, coming back to my original issue, you certainly do not have the authority to select members of the Committee (unless I missed your election).

I realise that you may be privy to private information not accessible to all voters, and I respect this argument. However, even though you were privy to information that Essjay was not, in fact, who he said he was, you directly placed him in the Arbitration Committee. This was a terrible decision, and it shows either that (a) you're dishonest (which I hope you aren't), or (b) you do not carefully enough validate and check information that you have, meaning that your access to this information is irrelevant.

Finally, for the benefit of the community, would you be kind enough to list the limitations of your power here, so that anybody in the community may challenge you should you exceed them? – Thomas H. Larsen 22:55, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

I am sorry to say that you aren't being accurate in your reporting here. I don't select the candidates. Anyone can candidate. I will not appoint anyone who has not been approved by the community. I will not appoint anyone who is not supported by the existing Arbs and Arbs Emeritus. I agree completely that the Essjay situation was a fiasco, although your understanding of the history is inaccurate. In any event, that's irrelevant now, because I will never appoint anyone, even in the interim between elections, who has not gotten approval from the community. And finally, I intend to continue my longstanding tradition of appointing people in the order of the election results unless there is a seriously compelling reason to diverge from that. I may someday support a purely elected ArbCom, but not yet. I think there are important values served by having an additional check on the process.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 20:06, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Transnational Qualification Framework

Dear Jimmy Wales,

This is just to share a thought that I think essential.

While going through different Transnational Qualification Framework movements to write an article in Misplaced Pages, I thought it would be ideal if such efforts could be coordinated to a global level to achieve real Transnational Qualifications Framework. Then the educational institutions and educators all over the world will be able to collaborate effectively in the process of providing quality education to all.

I have added the article with mimimum details, I will be strengthening the article with more information shortly. Please make TQF issue live in discussions, if you think it appropriate.

Warm regards Anil (talk) 09:09, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

I have another question....

Can someone tell me how to make a user sub-page? Can any user make one, or just admin? Mr. Old-Skool (talk) 22:55, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Technically speaking, anyone can create a user sub-page, not just the user whose account it is. If you want to create a new sub-page, probably the simplest way is to enter into the searchbox "User:Mr. Old-Skool/PageNameHere", replacing PageNameHere with the desired page name, then clicking "Go". It'll ask if you'd like to create the sub-page, so click "Start the User:Mr. Old-Skool/pagename page" link. SMC (talk) 08:07, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Just for future reference, you'd probably get a faster response by placing your question on the Misplaced Pages helpdesk, which is designed for these kinds of Misplaced Pages-specific questions. Cheers. SMC (talk) 08:09, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

OMG

I'm talking to JIMBO WALES???? 1!!!!1oneone!!111 77.97.224.20 (talk) 11:38, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

• Also Jimbo, can you have a look into the Scots Misplaced Pages and tell me why it's necessary, seems an insult to me. Thanks. 84.13.92.162 (talk) 12:17, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Different language Wikis are approved by the Wikimedia Foundation Language subcommittee; although I can't find it, that committee has approved the creation of this Wiki. Try asking at the Meta Forum. --Rodhullandemu 13:19, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
    • m:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Scots. Hut 8.5 18:48, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
      • What the hell? "1.6 million active speakers and 2+ million passive understanding". They were kidding, right? 77.97.224.20 (talk) 01:03, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
        • No. PeterSymonds (talk) 07:50, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
          • I'd personally like to see where they got that from. 84.13.74.171 (talk) 13:23, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
            • Our article on the Scots language should be informative on the subject of how many speakers there are and how this is determined. Uncle G (talk) 18:07, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
              • It really isn't a language, it's just a very weak localization of English. I see now where the 1.6 active speakers came from now, but I still cannot grasp where the "2+ million passive understanding" comes from. Maybe you can enlighten me? 89.241.76.140 (talk) 19:33, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
                • According to , there's a large number of people who "understand Scots and probably use a number of Scots words on a day to day basis". 2.5 million is about half the population of Scotland. Hut 8.5 17:44, 24 October 2008 (UTC)