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Your comments on RFD for Mohammad Umer

Hi, W.r.t your comments here: . Edits are reverted all the time, so how does someone reverting my edits damage my credibility. And in case you havent read the message I said that the I wouldn't lend any credence to the article, I did't say that the editor wasn't credible. And as for being called a troll, I believe that the people who go about lable everone who disagree with them as trolls are also most likely to be labled trolls. But I dont know how to say it. To me is that you seem to have taken my comment rather personally. As if I said something against you rather than someone else. --Deepak D'Souza (talk • contribs) 20:02, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi , thanks for your response. No I did not take it as an insult. The reason I posted the above message was as I said, I felt that you took it a bit personaly. I dont know why but it struck me as odd. Ok! No big deal. What you said was correct. Every POV pusher believes he/she is right. ABout motives, I have a good guess about bakaman's motives in creating the article but I do not believe in hypotheticating, at least not on wp talk pages.

Let me get back to the topic in question, rather than rambling on. I'm not a big fan of google counts. Most newspaper articles are updated simultaneously on the web so a single incident , no matter how unsignificant can get a good gcount. And the count isnt accurate. For instance yesterday a murder took place in Versova,Mumbai. Husband finds wife in bed with another man; takes an axe , kills them both. Nothing new, right? If gcount is a criteria then this too deserves an article in wikipedia 390 hits. I dont know how intercaste marriages go in Sri Lanka, but here in India it is pretty common. Parental opposition is a given. Manytimes a kidnapping case is registered against the groom as atactic to get them seprated. In case the girls age is unverifiable a very common tactic is to claim that she is a minor and hence the groom is complicit of rape. Beheadings, lynchings stonings as punnishments for the errant couple is not uncommon. Even if uniqueness is a criteria , this story pales in comparision to other grusome love stories. --Deepak D'Souza (talk • contribs)

buddhism help

Hi Blnguyen, I noticed that you have created many articles on Buddhist leaders and I was hoping you had the time to perhaps look at Cyril de Zoysa, an article I created on this defender of the Dhamma.Pectore 18:01, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Is there any speecific problem with this one, or just a general spruce up? Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:07, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Cheraman Perumal

Hello - as to your recent edits to the above article, please note the quoted sources that support the presentation of a single person. Also, the change you have made has previously been made by a single-issue editor. However, no editor has provided reputatable sources to back the change. This raises the possibility that a POV fork is being created. Therefore please provide adequate scholarly references for the view that these were two separate individuals. Thanks. Redheylin (talk) 23:26, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

However, consider this: No source talking about the Islamic convert discusses the Nayanar saint.

In fact (I forgot to say) we are also lacking any source at all for calling him a Nayanar.

Also, the legend of the Saint says he "went to heaven" with Cuntarar (euphemism for dying, I assume). Would a man really be reborn to convert to Islam? Or would an Islamic convert be reborn as an "idolater"?

A Shaivite is not necessarily an "idolater" to a Muslim - Shiva is one god, and Vedas are a book. Even, many Shaivites have no representation or icon. In fact, CP goes to heaven on his horse - just like Prophet Muhammed. Both stories end with a religious epiphany besides the many other similarities. The sources I found and supplied present him as the same man, so we should not wait too long before alternative sources are found - the edit should not have been made without sources. Just as Kabir was respected by Muslims, Sikhs and Vaishnavas, two versions of one hero might have easily arisen in those more tolerant times, while now sectarian distortions are perhaps arising. Please sort it out if you want the edit to stand. Thanks Redheylin (talk) 19:34, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Pectore, you ought to know that your personal opinions in this matter are beside the point. All the scholarly sources I have seen deal with CP as a single individual. That school of thought must be reflected here. If you can show there is a significant view otherwise, that should also be represented. It is especially futile to advance arguments based on the article as it stands, ie, the unsourced product of a POV battle. Please provide your sources. Redheylin (talk) 20:32, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

William Logan reports that the Keralolpatti portrays Cheraman Perumal as a generic figurehead of the Chera Dynasty, along with a Chola Perumal and a Pandi Perumal. The name "Cheraman", also that of a local slave caste, is thought to be cognate with "Chera" and Kerala. The Keralolpatti goes on emphatically to deny that Cheraman Perumal converted to Islam (sometimes conflated with Buddhism) and died while on pilgrimage, asserting that this was all done by a later king, one Banu Perumal - an assertion that Logan immediately questions.

(from the article) Redheylin (talk) 22:29, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Categories

See WP:CfD. --Relata refero (disp.) 07:21, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Your changes to the Roy article

Pectore, you are incorrect calling two statements in the article 'unsourced.' Here's what you deleted:

While opponents of Roy's political activism have for years latched on to this report, it is worthwhile noting that besides Roy three others were similarly notified, including a forest officer and a doctor at a police training center. Indian newspapers report nothing of consequence regarding the bungalows since 2003.

First of all, the first statement is not unsourced, and the proof is in the article that was cited. Did you not read that? Here is the passage: "The order spells trouble for Arundhati and three of her neighbours — writer Vikram Seth’s sister Anuradha, a forest officer Nishkant Jhadav and a doctor at a police training centre, Jagdish Chandra Sharma. All have bungalows in Bariyam village, about 7 km from the Panchmarhi hill resort." Pretty clear, not?

In regards to the second statement, the burden of proof lies with you: provide evidence that anything has happened to their bungalow in the last five years. It hasn't--and I perused the major Indian newspapers. So I am going to revert these changes, and if you have proof, real proof, that she is the only one affected, or if you have proof that this amounts to more than a little administrative matter that happened five years ago, then you have a case. But I would urge you to consider not just these unwarranted changes, but also your choice of words. Drmies (talk) 14:49, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

And let me add: your change is grammatically misleading and thus factually incorrect--the punctuation doesn't jive. Her husband bought one lot together with three other people? (No.) He bought the one lot and he bought three more lots? (No.) He bought a lot, and so did three other people--and they all seem to be solid citizens, not extremists, which you suggest by singling her out. Drmies (talk) 14:53, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Brought the cat up again

In case you're interested, Misplaced Pages:Categories for discussion/Log/2008 September 21#Category:LGBT Hare Krishnas. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 18:58, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Wikiproject Sri Lanka

Hi, Pectore! I see you're listed as a member of WikiProject Sri Lanka. The wikiproject is currently almost inactive, and we're trying to see if we can get it running again by getting together its members again. If you're still interested in being an active member of the Wikiproject, please add yourself under the list of currently active members on the project page. Hope to see you there. Cheers. -- Chamal ± 11:42, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Revival of Wikiproject Sri Lanka

Hi, Pectore! Since you have volunteered to revive Wikiproject Sri Lanka and get it functioning again, your comments, ideas and suggestions will be welcome at the ongoing discussion at the project talk page. Cheers. -- Chamal ± 13:56, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Your edit to NCM in Orissa violence

Thanks for your inputs on the Orissa violence article. Your deletes an extremely important report as well. I had included a cited reference in an earlier edit such as . I recommend you include the report findings as mentioned on the Recordfreenow (talk) 04:08, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Pectore, I am not denying your accuracy in deleting the NCM section. I completely agree that the section is not well stated. That specific section had been edited by one of the *trouble making* users that was pushing their POV. I even have an RfC complaining about the section. See the talk section All I am requesting you to do is to not completely delete the section but make a suitable edit with citations. (Don't throw baby with the bath water). Thanks! Recordfreenow (talk) 06:57, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Googlean

Could you plz watch his edits? He seems to be promoting race-baiting, hatred and violence incitements against Indians in several articles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Contributions/Googlean

72.179.59.89 (talk) 07:14, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry case

You have been accused of sockpuppetry. Please refer to Misplaced Pages:Suspected sock puppets/Pectore for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with notes for the suspect before editing the evidence page. Googlean 08:39, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

It is possible that "googlean" is a sock of User:Ikonoblast. The signatures are similar, and both have similar tendencies (race-baiting, religious extremism, promotion of revisionist Chritofascist dogma, glib pithy remarks, similar areas of interest) etc. There are enough diff similarities to warrant a checkuser request and a ban based on the "good hand, bad hand sock policy".Wheelwillnotgo (talk) 06:05, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Hello puppet master Wheelwillnotgo, that CU already done and proven unrelated, ok. --Googlean 06:52, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Murder of Swami Lakshmanananda

I had created this article by shifting the material from the Swami's page. Can you please help preserve it in present form. Thanks Shyamsunder (talk) 21:09, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Regarding undoing my edits, what was your motive? That section is completely inappropriate and note, too, WP is an encyclopedia and not all events and news sources warrant an encyclopedia article of their own. Please explain your reason? --Googlean 06:54, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Exactly the point googlean. Remove unnecessary details like listing of slogans. Please do that in Religious violence in Orissa ( sister Lalita rape).-Bharatveer (talk) 08:26, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

1. KIDWAI, RASHEED (2003-05-07). "Bungalow blow to Arundhati - Allotment on notified forest land cancelled in Panchmarhi". The Telegraph (Calcutta). Retrieved 2007-03-21.