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14K Triad

I am trying to start a page for the 14K triad but I dont know how to work this thing, so i tried to change the page that says redirecting, but it wont let me. give me a hand to put thing on pless, put it under 14K triad, i copy it to the space below:

14K is a globalised triad that opporates with all other underground organizations. it has groups all around the world, recently it has spreaded into the United Kingdom and other Europian countries. Now it is believed it has countrol of the London chinatown, sharing with the Wo AKA SW, also up in Manchaster chinatown. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bill cai1992 (talk • contribs) 18:09 25 September, 2008 (UTC)

Arabian Peninsula

Hello Ed. The initial revert from your retored version to my old version was bot-generated on the basis of suspected vandalism. I also placed a user report of the vandalism on Misplaced Pages:Administrator intervention against vandalism and mentioned the edit war on the article talk page. The 3RR specifically provides an exception for vandalism. Several other editors have reverted to versions containing my edits and left Edit comments mentioning vandalism.

There was no lack of scholarly citations or links to scholarly works and dictionaries in the changes to the article that I had made.

I have no idea what the nature of the dispute might be, since none of the so-called 'editors' - Hisham, Chaldeaan, NoPity2, Patrick0Maran, and etc. have chosen to use the talk page to discuss the matter. I simply responded there to the brief comments they had placed in their edit summaries. I also placed messages with the citations and links on the user talk pages of Hisham, Chaldeaan, and Patrick0Maran, but they have not responded.

You have reverted the article to a version that has no mention of the disambiguation page for Arabistan, which is hardly an improvement on the situation I set out to correct, i.e. The disambiguation page for Arabistan is pointing to an article about the Arabian Penninsula that makes no mention of that term. The Merriam-Webster Geographical Dictionary contains a completely unambiguous entry which says that the Arabian Peninsula is Arabistan. I had already mentioned that under a separate section heading on the article talk page. harlan (talk) 00:54, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

I consolidated the information about Arabistan into a single entry on the Arabian Peninsula talk page. There has been no discussion there so far. The vandalism is down to a few anonymous IP edits and a few socks like Acctry2. harlan (talk) 01:13, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Re: Edited your comment at Talk:Stephanie Adams

Ed: Do you know if there is a link to an official sockpuppet report somewhere about the subject of this article? There has now been sufficient abuse to start blocking them on sight, but I don't know how to link to a justification.

I haven't looked very far in to how to file an official sockpuppet report. But I'd agree with Gwen Gale that official report is needed. Part of the reason I haven't looked into it is I'm not sure what good it would do so far as having any real effect. The sockpuppets Ms Adams has used so far include:

The edit counts include every edit made except those made to the user's own User Page. Given this tendency she has to switch around, trying to stop the abuse is like playing a game of whack-a-mole. Perhaps permanently semi-protecting the Stephanie Adams article and discussion page so only named editors can make changes would help. -- Sean Martin (talk) 19:25, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Here are notes on how to take this issue to the next step. While the problem may have temporarily settled down, there are further steps that might be taken:

That's all for now. May leave this issue alone unless it flares up again. EdJohnston (talk) 15:07, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

User:Hm2k

I prepared this for WP:COIN, but thought it would be better to find a less threatening approach given the other dispute he's in with me. Herbythyme doesn't have time to address it, but thinks someone should:

• Hm2k (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Has added links to a website that is identical to his username:

• 14:53, 5 July 2007 to Xen
• 10:21, 10 April 2008 to MagicISO
• 12:13, 6 June 2008 to E-mail_address

He was given a coi warning 09:58, 14 June 2008 by Herbythyme after restoring the link in E-mail address.

Since then he restored the link in MagicISO on 12:22, 30 July 2008 after it was removed and was aware that his link in E-mail address remained when he edited the sentence containing the link on 11:09, 21 September 2008.

I couldn't find any new additions of the link, so I think it got through that he shouldn't be adding them. Maybe all he needs is a friendly reminder by someone other than myself? --Ronz (talk) 15:38, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

He's certainly not been eager to hear from you lately. This is not a strong 'link abuse' case because he does a lot of regular editing, not just link addition. Lately he's not been friendly in Talk discussions, but that's hard to put down as a policy violation. He also does participate in article Talk. If you believe the link addition is ongoing, consider applying to have the link put on the spam blacklist. Then offer him the option of presenting his case at WP:COIN if he doesn't want it blacklisted. EdJohnston (talk) 16:00, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

I agree. I don't think it's ongoing. He edits mostly articles that are poorly sourced and contain linkspam, so the links he's added are no worse than what he usually encountered. He's seen me cleaning up the inappropriate sources and links, and hasn't commented on any of it that I recall. Thanks for taking a look. --Ronz (talk) 16:19, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Let's face it, this is all bullshit. Ronz has decided to start a personal vendetta against me. Citing oneself is not prohibited, See: Misplaced Pages:No_original_research#Citing_oneself. There is no COI. Cut the crap. --Hm2k (talk) 17:12, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

You might be able to cite yourself if you were a recognized authority. You'd need to have reliable sources commenting on your work to establish that. Even in that case, it's better to wait for others to add the link. EdJohnston (talk) 17:27, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

According to the article, I can cite myself if I am an expert on the subject. Now the reason why I did cite myself, is because I'd spent the time researching it, thus making me an expert on the subject. Without the links, the accompanying facts aren't relevant as they would have no citation. And right now, Ronz is removing the links anyway, so it's all pointless. --Hm2k (talk) 17:33, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Your web site doesn't qualify: If an editor has published the results of his or her research in a reliable publication, the editor may cite that source while writing in the third person.. A self-published site is not a reliable publication, and except for trivial biographical facts about a person (if the WP article were about yourself) it can't be used. EdJohnston (talk) 17:40, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

What is the criteria for being a reliable publication? --Hm2k (talk) 17:44, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

See Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources. Essentially, we can cite newspapers, magazines, published books, edited websites like www.cnet.com that have an editorial policy and employ regular paid reporters. Per WP:SPS we aren't supposed to use personal websites. EdJohnston (talk) 17:49, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

And what if no such article exists covering a particular issue at present? Do you leave it with no citation, or use the best possible citation you can find available to you? --Hm2k (talk) 10:05, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

If no reliable source can be found that comments on the issue, then we should be silent. We're not supposed to do our own research; we just reflect what the published references say. WP:V has more. EdJohnston (talk) 13:13, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm taking this to COIN given Hm2k's reintroduction of the link. --Ronz (talk) 15:11, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Discussion here: Misplaced Pages:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard#User:Hm2k --Ronz (talk) 15:22, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

User:Yaneleksklus

Hi, EdJOhnston, I notice you blocked this user, warning him about sockpuppetry. Well, I am fairly certain anon 93.85.48.186 is the same person - making edits that match the blocked users style, on pages where he has proven to be a troublesome editor. Just thought I'd give you a heads up. --Kaini (talk) 16:55, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Ed, although I have a feeling we'll be seeing this anon again over at Dubstep, Dark 2-step, and maybe UK garage and a few other articles too. I presume reverting his edits on the 2-step article would still place me in violation of 3RR myself? --Kaini (talk) 18:17, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

2-step garage is now semi-protected. Why not say on the Talk page what revert is needed? If you find yourself wanting to revert more than three times in one day on any of these, it might be better to request semi-protection first. Let the admin do the revert, if one is needed, rather than go over 3RR yourself. If you leave a note here, and I'm around, I may be able to do it. EdJohnston (talk) 18:25, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

well, the problem is he essentally completely rewrote the article (over and over...) based on material that mostly doesn't pass WP:RS in terms of context. Anyway I think User:True Steppa has probably got this one, and now we have some time to develop the article without constant revert warring (although I tend to work more on a related genre, dubstep. Thanks for your help :) --Kaini (talk) 18:32, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Updated the Hasan di Tiro case at 3RR

Hello Stifle. Since there were additional reverts by IPs after your close of this AN3 case, I took the liberty of putting on three days of protection. Let me know if it would be better to ask you first when these things arise. EdJohnston (talk) 16:58, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

No problem at all, we have enough to be doing without leaving extra messages and waiting for replies. Stifle (talk) 18:29, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

A friendly reminder

Hello,

I noticed that you have still not answered the message I left you at 12:20, 16 October 2008 (UTC), and you have been editing and writing to other users in the meanwhile. Please get in touch. Breast milk419 (talk) 22:35, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Hello, brand-new editor. Your information, if it belongs anywhere, belongs at Atom (disambiguation). Try your chances there. I don't think your concept has much to do with a standard for updating web sites. EdJohnston (talk) 22:39, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your advice. I have added the information in question to Atom (disambiguation), with a link from ATOM to Atom (disambiguation). If you would mind checking whether I have done this correctly, and correct any errors I may have made, I would be most grateful. Breast milk419 (talk) 22:57, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Flag deletion edit warring

Hey Ed, can you help out with ? Maybe protection? Flags are getting deleted. Thanks. 155.188.247.7 (talk) 14:29, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

I requested semi-protection over at the Commons version of AN. I'm not an admin on Commons, so somebody else will have to do the protection. EdJohnston (talk) 15:31, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

It's been semi-ed. It would help if you would add your own reasoning over at the Commons Talk page for that article so that the Commons admins can tell if that version has consensus. EdJohnston (talk) 15:55, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Prince Henry

Hello Xyz. You mentioned that the image of Prince Henry may not be correct. Can you point us to a source which discusses the matter? Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 23:45, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Hello. The discussion seems to have risen in the early 20th century, when the interpretation of the Panels of São Vicente de Fora (a polyptic painting where the well-known figure actually shown in wikipedia is) now at the Museu Nacional de Arte Antiga, began. Some commentators note that the hat and vests are burgundian (if I recall correctly, maybe flemish, but see Philip_the_Good, married to Infanta Isabel of Portugal, and ponder an interest of Portugal to get its influence inland), and that it seems that the prince never used a moustache, and that his likeness should be more possibly such as the one on his tomb. Furthermore, they claim to trace this "error" to a fake image glued in a fake copy of Gomes Eanes de Zurara Chronicle of the Discovery and Conquest of Guinea sold to an Englishman (?).

The only reference I have on the controversy on the panels figures and this situation is António Quadros "Portugal, Razão e Mistério" (vol. 2), a non-mainstream work which refers the controversy with some extent and points out many of the scholars and artists involved in it. I would have serious difficulty in pointing to a scholarly source, as it's not my field. See also which is worth whatever it's worth, but has some imagery.

The idea I have about the controversy is that few, if none of the figures was identified, and that the jury is still out, if considerably tired of all the uncertainty. Yet the burgundian hat figure entered the common imagery to the point of international recognition and of popping out in the Descobridores monument in Lisbon, so maybe we shouldn't bother too much either. In a nutshell, the likeness of Prince Henry can be considered as still being unclear. (Sorry about the English, I'm too tired for a decent translation). --Xyzt1234 (talk) 18:24, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

So sorry to hear that the image may not be correct, since that's an impressive-looking guy. I was luckily able to persuade the other editors at Isaac Brock that the former image was not right, but that was based on an extremely-thorough academic paper that someone had written. Sounds like we don't have any one source to point to in the case of Henry the Navigator. EdJohnston (talk) 18:18, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Oops -- edit conflict... I merged my last version, no particular, relevant change I think.--Xyzt1234 (talk) 18:27, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

If we could find an academic source the discusses the issue, maybe we should keep the current likeness, but footnote it as 'traditional.' EdJohnston (talk) 18:35, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Or conventional, or supposed, or disputed, etc. As I mentioned, I can't be of further help at this moment, as it's definitely not my field. Bye, Xyzt1234 (talk) 17:32, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

I added a (clear? unclear?) footnote to the image's caption. Xyzt1234 (talk) 19:06, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

MVDDS dispute

Hello Edjohnston.

Referring to the message concerning the "MVDDS Dispute"The text is referring to primary Legal documents.

The documents that were attached are legal documents issued by the French Court of commerce.

There is no personal comment, no personal judgement.

The first document is the judgement of the MVDDS company bankruptcy

The second one is the official company identity at the day of the MVDDS company bankruptcy. The Managers names at the time of the Bankruptcy are mentioned on this document.

These are public documents issued by the French Authorities (French court) which I guessed could have been considered to be reliable sources. Fabrice10 (talk) 19:33, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Maybe I misunderstood what was a "reliable" source as it seems to me to comply with "Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources" If the French court document are considered to be unreliable source, then I will be happy to be learn how to identify a "reliable" source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fabrice10 (talk • contribs) 19:29, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

We are not supposed to interpret the significance of primary court documents on our own, per WP:PSTS. If a newspaper commented on the court case, then we could quote the newspaper. The amount of analysis we are permitted to do here would not justify the following type of conclusions:

Early in 2007 MDS America withdrew support for MDS International. 15 June 2007, MDS International was ordered by the French court to pay $1,000,000 to one of their clients for business related failures.

On the 5th of July 2007, the French court of commerce declared MDS International bankrupt. MDS International stopped its activity on 31 July 2007. Jean Claude Ducasse was the CEO of the company from 2001 to 2004 followed by Corinne Ducasse Sanchez from 2005 to the end. This management team have attempted to form shell companies (Worldwave LLP , MMDS Hypercable , etc.) These companies still have a web presence but are not backed by capital.

We have no idea of what significance the court-ordered payment of $1,000,000 might be, and the statement 'business related failures' probably requires interpreting the court's original words. The statement about Ducasse and Sanchez creating shell companies also seems to be WP:Original research according to our standards. If a newspaper called them 'shell companies' then we could quote that paper. Who is to say whether or not these companies are backed by capital? Not us. EdJohnston (talk) 19:50, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Robert Ditter

Hallo Ed

I fear it will be very difficult to prove the notability of Ditter. As I know there exists no Festschrift with an ISBN. But the case seems for me more complicated. M.K. seems apparently belonging to the people who think that the wiki articles I created under the nom de plume Pinus pinea should disapear as soon as possible from the English wiki (for ex. Robert Ditter, Bernd Richter, Susanne Andreae, Bernd Richter, Evelyne Marie France Neff or Dieter Anhuf(the last was deleted in the last days]]. And were the articles survived – or the proposal to delete was not successful – see the article on my person (Christophe Neff) he is putting libellous material on the talk page on this article. ( I have asked the sysop DerHexer to remove this material/see his talk page). Concerning Robert Ditter it will be very difficult to prove its notability for the English wikipedia . Hans555 has written a good article – but as I know sources a rare. There is a book dealing with Robert Ditter (his role for german-french School exchange) – but this book has no isbn, - you can find a copy of the book cover under ]. yours Christophe Neff (talk) 19:46, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Hello Christophe. I redacted the comment on your Talk page that you were distressed about, and left a note for the submitter. EdJohnston (talk) 06:39, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Hello EdJohnston,

thanks for point out that my comment has been removed. I won't include it again, although I think the talk pages are there for exchanging and discussing any kind of information. Mr.K. (talk) 11:09, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Deletion review

Sir, I apologize for the lateness of this note, I've been out of town substantially, then returned home to a computer crash. The Kay O'Hara article I authored has been deleted. Could this decision be re-evaluated? Kay is at the fore-front of her industry, known world-wide as one of the pioneering pinups to bring the genre into mainstream. She is the leading and most influential Canadian pinup model. Her following is huge and her accomplishments in the pinup genre are substantial. I'm not terribly familiar with Misplaced Pages proceedure, but I hope this is a good place to start to re-open discussion for the reinstatement of Kay's article. Thank you Mr T Mrtphotography (talk) 20:06, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Mrt, see my note over at User talk:KenWalker#article Kay O'Hara. EdJohnston (talk) 21:40, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough, I suppose. I have left Mrphotography a comment about getting rid of some of the links. It seemed to me to be unsalvageable but I will work with it and see if it can be brought into some sort of conformance. --KenWalker | Talk 01:48, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Evelyne Marie France Neff

Hallo Ed You have the deletete the article Evelyne Marie France Neff – reasons given “ “In Germany thousands of citizens receive the Bundesverdienstkreuz (Federal Cross of Merit) every years. It does not make you notable. '.)” This is simply unthrough – in Germany not thousands of Citizens receive the Bundesverdienstkreuz, - furthermore in German Misplaced Pages the fact having been decorated with the Bundesverdienstkreuz is including you automatically to wikipedia Germany. I think you should reconsider the deleting – and check what german wikipedia writes about the Bundesverdienstkreuz. Furthermore if the article should really disappear, then the argumentation should be – for the English wikipedia the fact being decorated with the Bundesverdienstkreuz provides not enough notability at the international level. That could be a logical argumentation – but not as it has been done. Yours Christophe Neff (talk) 05:36, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

and furthermore - I haven't move the tag "Proposed deletion" away because i am the son the E.Neff - and so avoiding a conflict of interest. But as things worked with the proposed deletion was in my opinion unfair and i think you should reconsider your decision. But now i will remove the tag on the Robert Ditter Article and trying to improve the article in the next days ! yours Christophe Neff (talk) 05:44, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, that's a coincidence, since you and I were talking earlier. The wording of the WP:PROD came from the nominator, not me. I did look at the sourcing, though. I can restore the Evelyne Marie France Neff article if you formally request it. However it will probably be deleted anyway unless more reliable sources can be found. If, as our article on the Bundesverdienstkreuz indicates, as many as 5,000 awards are given every year, it would be surprising if receiving that award alone were accepted as automatic proof of notability. If a more detailed writeup of what the person did could be given, from a published source, the case would be stronger. EdJohnston (talk) 06:05, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

thank you for the reply. Perhaps I will try to respond in detail in the next days, - because I have to work now ! Just one information – I think the English article concerning the Bundesverdienstkreuz is incorrect. After the German Misplaced Pages in 2006 2312 people receveid the Bundesverdienstkreuz . And here you find a list oft the decorated peope. [ http://de.wikipedia.org/Liste_der_Tr%C3%A4ger_des_Bundesverdienstkreuzes_am_Bande). Yours and good evening in the Americas ! Christophe Neff (talk) 06:25, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

I have proposed this article for deletion and I still have no doubts that the France Neff's article doesn't fulfill the notability criteria. There are thousands of people receiving the Bundesverdienstkreuz. You can even buy one in ebay Germany for a couple of Euro. See here.Mr.K. (talk) 10:51, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Peter Lai

I'd like to draw your attention to potential WP:BLP violations which have been occurring sporadically. by IP accounts. Peter Lai is a very common name. Ohconfucius (talk) 06:16, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Hello

Hello Ed, - I have put a message on my Pinus pinea account () to show that it is not a socket. I will use the Pinus only very very occasionaly . My main account is the Christophe Neff. yours Christophe Neff (talk) 05:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Deletion review for Urban Ministries, Inc. (UMI)

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Urban Ministries, Inc. (UMI). Since you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedy-deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Urbanministries (talk) 14:44, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Hello

Hello Ed. I left this message here - I think you should know this ! yours Christophe Neff (talk) 17:05, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Whitefish Mountain Resort

The anonymous IP editor(s) is back in the Whitefish Mountain Resort article posting irrelevant material and has vandalized the article and posted inflammatory comments against me. Alyeska (talk) 16:44, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the protection again. Alyeska (talk) 00:49, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

3RR

Thank you for your No Action Ruling. I would confirm that (1) The last revert by myself should have been dealt with in a different manner. (2) I am aware that edit warring is discouraged whether or not 3RR is reached. But I would request if you would confirm whether you consider the was a No violation or not. Lucian Sunday (talk) 16:52, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

No I can see that it was Lucian Sunday (talk) 18:44, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Proposition 8

Thank you for opening up the "Proposition 8" page for edits. I had made edits, but Mike Dougherty undid them. It is unfortunate because he appears to have a strong and irrational bias. Please review our comments on his talk page in this regard. Thank you again for your efforts. User:wvogeler —Preceding undated comment was added at 04:43, 25 October 2008 (UTC).

I read the discussion at User talk:Mike Doughney#California Proposition 8 (2008). If I'm not mistaken, you haven't left any comments on the Talk page of this article. I have to sympathize with Mike Doughney unless you can provide a better explanation on the article Talk. EdJohnston (talk) 19:15, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Arilang asking for help

At the moment I have sort of argument with user Bathrope over Qing, and he says my edition will be reverted if I continue. Could you have a look at talk page Qing and give me your opinions?Arilang1234 (talk) 06:39, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Sorry I do not have the patience to read your extremely long postings at Talk:Qing Dynasty. My impression is that you are supplying an additional viewpoint from which this period can be viewed (sufferings of the Han people under the Manchus), but you are not doing so in a way that fits with the Misplaced Pages policies. Hence you will encounter resistance; people will tend to think you are a POV warrior. You need to step carefully and make incremental changes that have very good references. EdJohnston (talk) 19:07, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you EdJohnston, your opinion is a very fair. I totally agree with you.Arilang1234 (talk) 19:39, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

EdJohnston, I'm asking you and Moonriddengirl for advice. In a discussion at User talk:Coppertwig#User Arilang, Bathrobe and I are talking about a plan to revert essentially all of Arilang1234's edits (from now on) unless they're discussed on the talk page for a couple of days first. Do you think it's OK if we just go ahead and start doing that? Do you have any other advice or suggestions for this situation? Thanks. ☺Coppertwig(talk) 13:20, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

RE: Misplaced Pages's Expert Peer Review process (or lack of such) for Science related articles

Hi - what was your opinion on Expert editors proposal ? Please note that in my proposal I am only suggesting to use expert editors for science related articles. I could retreat further and suggest that such review (by expert editors) could be an optional feature (again for science related articles) either requested by the author of the article (for the purpose nomination of the article to become attested as attaining the "scientific publication" quality ) or by admin/editors during the deletion discussion.

Cheers, ARP Apovolot (talk) 20:13, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

I don't think this proposal will go anywhere. Take a look at Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates and scan it for articles on scientific subjects. You will notice the participation of some experts. For instance this review. Subject-matter experts can't be summoned on demand to do a review of a Misplaced Pages article, but often there are people who are regular editors here who do some work in the general area, and whose input is valuable. EdJohnston (talk) 17:52, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Dear Ed - I am not saying that "the system doesn't work at all" but if you will reread what you just wrote yourself above (words like "some", "often") you will get the sense that it is left to chance. Please note that in my proposal I am only suggesting to use expert editors for science related articles. I could retreat further and suggest that such review (by expert editors) could be used just as an optional feature (again for science related articles) being either requested by the author of the article (for the purpose nomination of the article to become attested as attaining the "scientific publication" quality ) or by the admin/editors during the deletion discussion, when they feel that the participation of experts is needed to decide on the issue. On another hand (optionally) Misplaced Pages may consider to extend its charter (from being just an encyclopedia) and create/keep the section for the "original scientific research" postings - being clear marked as experimental and NOT fully reliable info ... That would allow Misplaced Pages to perform / stand as a "catalyst for change and innovation". Apovolot (talk) 19:57, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

User: Shotwell suggested (on my talk page) "I would endorse a WP:EXPERTADVICE page that outlined the wikipedia policies and goals for researchers in a way that enticed them to edit here in an appropriate fashion. Perhaps a well-maintained list of expert editors with institutional affiliation would facilitate this sort of highly informal review process. I don't think anyone would object to a well-maintained list of highly-qualified researchers with institutional affiliation (but then again, everyone seems to object to something)."

We could start with that if you would agree ... - could you help to push his idea through Misplaced Pages bureaucracy ? Apovolot (talk) 16:42, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your follow-up, but I would not support this proposal. EdJohnston (talk) 17:22, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Robert Ditter

Hallo Ed, - I have put an message for you here  ! Christophe Neff (talk) 20:15, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

RfD nomination of CT:INV

I have nominated CT:INV (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) for discussion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. MBisanz 00:08, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Your block of IP 192.30.202.22

Ed, thanks for the block of 192.30.202.22 (talk · contribs), but on checking the WHOIS of the adjacent IP 192.30.202.21 (talk · contribs) which seems to be similarly involved, I see that it's an IP for the Toronto Public Library. They only seem to have x.x.x.20 - x.x.x.22 enabled. Maybe you would consider reducing your block down to a couple of hours to reduce collateral damage? Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 18:59, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

I think there might be a good-faith edit from the same IP on Oct. 23, so I reduced the block to 12 hours. The adjacent IP, 192.30.202.21 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) does not seem to have vandalized in October, so far as I can tell. Are you aware of some bad edits? EdJohnston (talk) 19:11, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, it was actually 192.30.202.20 (talk · contribs) that was also involved in the reverts today, but all are related to promotion of Nelson Chan. I don't think any block is required for the IP, I was just pointing out that is was a public library. Thanks for reducing the block. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 20:56, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

New sockpuppet of Koov?

I noticed you signed the block notice of Hinr as a sockpuppet of Koov. A new user, User:Hirt is making the same edits. Thanks for your help. Emmanuelm (talk) 01:14, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing this. EdJohnston (talk) 01:21, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

RfA

Hi Ed Johnston! Thank you very much for your support in my RfA, which passed yesterday. I hope not to let you and the others down, and use the tools for the benefit of the project. Cheers, Ynhockey 22:20, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Help desk

Thanks for letting me know. Jayjg 03:19, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Re:WP:AN/3RR

Thanks for the heads up. I've left a reponse here. Cheers, Causteau (talk) 22:40, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

E1b1b banning decision

Hi. Your decision should end the present edit war, but this was a repeating edit war, and both users including me clearly feel that the edit war was forced upon them. I certainly can't say that I know what I could have done differently, and of course in my case no edits or comments have been pointed out at all. I question whether your stated approach ("The main reason for existence of this noticeboard is to bring edit wars to an end, and there are crude but effective ways of achieving that. Administrators don't have all afternoon to count every byte in the edit history and see who is slightly less diplomatic or slightly more revert-prone. I'm strongly tempted to propose a voluntary one-month article ban for both editors.") is going to work here as it obviously leaves open the possibility for each of the two editors that they have been dragged into the ban by the actions of another, and could have done nothing to avoid it. (You openly admit to not having checked in detail, so both of us can believe that maybe the difference is not slight at all - and indeed I'd say that is the case.) So can you give any non-generalized advice on what we should have done differently? Surely for example it would help if someone would actually comment on whether Causteau's interpretation of "vandalism" is in line with Misplaced Pages norms like he clearly thinks it is?--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 06:55, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. I have nothing to add at this time, but you are welcome to ask another admin for their opinion. If you think that the other editor is not behaving well, or misundstands policy, consider opening up an WP:RFC/U. EdJohnston (talk) 11:40, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

I think such an RfC needs two be started by two editors who were both editing on the same article? So also in this way, my problem is that it I am the one other active editor on this article. Am I right about how that works?--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 15:35, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

All you need is another editor to co-sign the RFC/U. That second person should also agree that there is a behavior problem to be addressed, and should have attempted to solve the problem. If you are trying to report somebody who has caused problems on a range of articles, you might be able to find another editor to agree with you. If Causteau doesn't edit much outside this one article, then you might have trouble finding a co-signer. Mediation or Misplaced Pages:Third opinion might be alternatives you should consider. EdJohnston (talk) 15:44, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

User conduct? I think my detailed analysis over at WP:3RR more than shows who is really in the wrong here. It's certainly not me. If User:Andrew Lancaster can't find it in him to follow administrator EdJohnston's sensible advice that he and I both take a week off to think things through and come back with a new frame of mind, then perhaps another mediation is in order. Causteau (talk) 16:26, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Causteau, I shall certainly follow his advice, or command, designed to stop the most recent edit war for one week. There was no suggestion I would not, and your implying that there was one is unfortunately another great example of how you constantly look for a fight where there is none. I also have to consider his other advice about what I judge to be on-going conduct problems which will probably lead to more edit wars (or a stagnant article). You know I prefer never to use policy as an argument, but you are a serial violator of all sorts of policies, and I have to now try to at least work out how to get a ruling on your statements about how you think you should use policy. Please understand that I do not seek any sort of punishment - I just want someone to read your posts about policies which you think allow you to revert and treat other edits as if they were vandalism, and say whether they are bogus. I am perhaps naively hoping that you'll then stop. Unfortunately none of the moderators we've had on the E1b1b article have wanted to spend the time.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 20:41, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Re: 3RR resolution at Colin Farrell

I've never reported anyone before, for anything. So, I didn't even know that there was an AIV noticeboard until the other user said something. Thank you for the advice and thank you for helping out. – Ms. Sarita 20:08, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

New sock puppet of Koov

Hi. I've noticed Jigp and Brsh are making the same edits like Koov. Thanks! --Turkish Flame 06:02, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. I've blocked Jigp, but the case for Brsh is not quite so clear. He has certainly been edit-warring. Do you have more specific evidence? EdJohnston (talk) 06:19, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

My first evidence is, all of Koov's sock puppets have 4-letter names and they don't hava any user page like Brsh. Second evidence is, Koov's banned puppets Fsbi and Dibn always edit Template:Foreign relations of Iran ( and ) and Brsh edited it too () Third evidence is, Brsh made his last edit in 25 October and then Jigp created in 26 October. Jigp made his last edit in 1 November and Brsh came again in 1 November. --Turkish Flame 08:57, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

OK. EdJohnston (talk) 14:34, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Olympic Airlines

Hi Ed. The IP's are at it again. Dr.K. (talk) 22:43, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes, indeed. Dr.K has been deleting a simple critical contribution to the Olympic Airlines article for more than a month now. They have done this more than 10 times. Why should this editing war, initiated by Dr.K be allowed? Why should the watchdogs of a company be allowed to protect its image from any criticism and even complain about it on top? Is this compatible with the Misplaced Pages spirit? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.75.249.159 (talk • contribs) 23:24, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

I already expressed my own opinion at Talk:Olympic Airlines on 24 September that the quote from Katimerini could be used, if it was summarized in neutral language. I'd suggest that Dr.K. and the IP might be able to reach a compromise along those lines. I don't notice that an WP:RFC has been done yet on this article, and that remains an option. Consider following the steps of Misplaced Pages:Dispute resolution. I am not inclined to take any further admin actions on the article. EdJohnston (talk) 05:51, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi Ed. While I understand your position and I respect that, I would like to point to your attention the decidedly uncivil remarks and the personal attacks of the IP as expressed above. Notice that he/she speaks about "watchdogs" and he/she refers to me in the plural "they" because he/she thinks I am a group of people. Adopting a neutral stance on the actual dispute is one thing but I would really have appreciated a word of caution to the IP if there is such obvious transgression on their part and on your talk page. --Dr.K. (talk) 08:15, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

I think you made a typo on a semi-protect of Arabian Peninsula

think you made a typo there, i tried to correct but did not seem to work, Tom B (talk) 03:14, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing! I finally fixed it. EdJohnston (talk) 04:34, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

User talk:Londo06

User talk:Londo06 <- Those terms good for you? MBisanz 19:21, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

It's fine with me. Your offer was to shorten the block to a total of five days if he made this agreement? It might be good if you would re-state the condition in the exact form that you understand it, on his talk page, with the expiration date (six months?), so that others can link to it in the future if necessary. EdJohnston (talk) 19:27, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

 Done MBisanz 19:34, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't like wiki-lawyers  :( MBisanz 19:46, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

The Song For Life by Isis Gee

I believe the edit war is due to confusion regarding the result and a number of Pro-Isis and Anti-Isis people adding material. When either group goes too far the proverbial hits the fan. The solution is not to ban other people or protect the page but to find a compromise. In the end the sockpuppets will return ( from both sides) and it starts all over again.

The best way to get a compromise is my idea below. I've come up with a solution explaining the result ( she came equal last on points but after a tie-break she came second last). It explains everything and is accurate.

See below:

At the final, "For Life" was awarded 14 points, received from the United Kingdom and Ireland, creating a points tie for last place with Germany and the United Kingdom. The tie was broken by taking into account results from the semi-final placing the song 24th out of the 25 entrants in the final. "Eurovision Song Contest 2008 Final". Eurovision.tv. 2008-05-24. Retrieved 2008-08-28. {{cite web}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.203.201.92 (talk • contribs) 14:05, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment (I removed the <ref> brackets so the link would be clickable). I'm not convinced this will solve the problem. The reference you provide shows the final standings of the singers but says nothing about how the ties were broken. Perhaps there is another web page that has more information on the tie-breaking rules? The usual wiki way is to keep silent on points where there are no reliable sources. Maybe you can reword so that we don't have to say anything about tie-breaking? EdJohnston (talk) 14:45, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Hello2

Hello Damiens.rf. I have restored some of the comments removed from the AfD, and I've been keeping an eye on further events there. Please avoid touching anyone else's comments from now on. Let me know if you see any more misbehavior in that discussion. EdJohnston (talk) 17:00, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi! Thanks for the help. But just a notice: I wasn't the one touching other's comments. I User:Opcn removed my comments, and I reinstated them. No offense though. --Damiens.rf 17:03, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

What I meant was, don't even restore your own comments if someone removes them. It makes the trail too hard to follow. Leave the situation to the admins. I hope that the AfD discussion will settle down no if no more people say anything outlandish. EdJohnston (talk) 17:07, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm, I got it. Will do that next time. Thanks for the advice. --Damiens.rf 18:08, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi! It just happened. The user is back from his block and is already into moving other editor's comments back and forth. I haven't reverted him, as you told. What we do now? --Damiens.rf 03:28, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

He is tempting fate by tinkering with the AfD, but changing indents and putting the comments in time order seems harmless. EdJohnston (talk) 03:48, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Koov

Linp (talk · contribs). Colchicum (talk) 00:04, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. EdJohnston (talk) 00:11, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Harry Kloor

My first article ever. A little BLP on an amazing fellow... Still need wikifying and cleanup, but I think I have sourced the hell out of it and welcome your input. Schmidt, 04:37, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Duncan Airlie James

Thankyou very much for your help very much appreciated —Preceding unsigned comment added by BMW67 (talk • contribs) 18:47, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

MigrationWatch UK

Hi there, user User talk:Mighty Antar here, I think the same POV-pushing IP-hopping editor who kept reverting the above article has now switched to vandalising my user page while the block on the above page continues. Hope you can effect some remedy. Thanks in advance. 62.64.211.97 (talk) 17:44, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

AN3 Report

Hey there EdJohnston. It looks like I stepped into something that you were in the middle of working on. Would you mind reviewing my actions here please? Just wanted to make sure that I adequately addressed all the issues. Thanks, Tiptoety 19:43, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Replied at your Talk. EdJohnston (talk) 19:55, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Oh yeah, WP:ARBMAC.  Done Thanks! Tiptoety 19:59, 6 November 2008 (UTC)