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Vandalism on the Hunnic language article

Dear Future Perfect Adminstitrator!

I want report to you a vandalism, in this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/Hunnic_language

A guy named, Sborsody always delete a board. In that board, there are the similar words of the Hun language to the Turkish and to Hungarian with English translation. It's there long time ago. But he always delete it. I put again. I also put a new source there. But he is following the vandalism again, and again. I ask your help.

Thank you. Sin sincerely: MagyarTürk (talk)

Pictures of Istvan Kovats

Greetings! I uploaded to xs.to (image sharing site) photos of Istvan Kovats, with my signature, with my identity card. You can see, that's photos are mine.

http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs132&d=08434&f=pa210107939.jpg MagyarTürk (talk)

John Hunyadi, my answer

Greetings. You missed the sources, references in my editing. All right, now I put two important references, to John Hunyadi article. Is it better? I hope: yes.

MagyarTürk (talk)

AfD nomination of Exodus of Ethnic Macedonians from Greece

An article that you have been involved in editing, Exodus of Ethnic Macedonians from Greece, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Exodus of Ethnic Macedonians from Greece. Thank you. Avg (talk) 20:54, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi Fut Perf. what are your opinions on the deca begalci? What do you have to say? PMK1 (talk) 20:55, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Questiоn

Since you are an editor involved in many relevant articles, I would like to make a question: Since here it is clearly stated that Prior discussion has determined that the name Republic of Macedonia will be used in this article, why in a great number of other articles the Republic of is missing? If the main article of this country is entitled such, shouldn't the rest of the articles use the same phrase? Giving the fact of the naming dispute, the term "Republic of Macedonia" was approved by the Misplaced Pages community in order to serve as the golden rule between editors from Greece and FYROM. Δεν καταστρατηγείται αυτός ο συμβιβασμός όταν αυτή η χώρα ονομάζεται απλά "Μακεδονία" σε άλλα άρθρα; --Hectorian (talk) 11:12, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Examples? I haven't got much time right now for promoting my usual anti-Greek propaganda, I'm too busy promoting anti-FYROM propaganda on mk-wiki, so please make it brief. Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:34, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

This template (which does not even mention "FYROM" (only a link for the dispute as a note); this also (and all the relevant)-should be in the form "Republic of Macedonia presidential election, 2004"); In addition, plus (the parenthesis), also, furthermore. I have also named titles of articles, not content. Many more articles use simply "Macedonia" in their text. All these in contrary to the accepted solution reached in Misplaced Pages.

I have noticed your involment in mk-wiki. I would call it "anti-historical-linguistic violation" propaganda (since it concerns the Rozetta Stone's Slavic text. LOL!) Keep it up. Regards. --Hectorian (talk) 11:55, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Also National Liberation War of Macedonia. Thumb up from me for you stand against the Macedonistic falsifications in linguistics. --Lantonov (talk) 12:05, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Templates were discussed separately at some point at WT:MOSMAC. About the election article, adjectival usage of "Macedonian" is no problem where no ambiguity exists; since none of the other Macedonias has presidents or parliaments to elect, an election article is one of those contexts. I think those cases were also specifically discussed at some point, on the talk page of one of the "parliamentary elections" articles. Generally, when it comes to article titles, I personally favour elegance and brevity over political correctness. Article titles don't need to be maximally unambiguous at all costs. Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:16, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

So, you suggest that when something is one of a kind should be named such? (referring to "parliamentary elections"). Would an article entitled "Macedonian prefectural elections" stand like that? FYROM has no prefectures. Greek Macedonia does. No fear of confussion. Also, Macedonian Struggle is used exclusively in reference to the Greeks; why the article is titled Greek Struggle for Macedonia? How about the Kosovo–Macedonia relations? You did not comment on that. Also, concerning the templates, a solution agreed for naming the main article, shouldn't be taken into account when editting a template. If editors apply different rules for every article, we lead the project to anarchy. --Hectorian (talk) 12:51, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Not sure why I would want to spend my time discussing hypothetical scenarios with you when most of these cases have been discussed and settled long ago. Last time I tried discussing stuff with you, you weren't very perceptive. - The "Greek Struggle for Macedonia" is a problematic title for a number of reasons, but not because of its handling of ambiguity. Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:38, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Last time you tried to discuss with me, it was for another reason. Let aside the hypothetical scenarios. My question is simple and clear: should we use the accepted solution reached long ago when referring to this country? If yes, we should replace the word "Macedonia" in every article with reference to FYROM with the term "Republic of Macedonia" and rename articles such as this. If no, perhaps we should discuss again for a naming solution in Misplaced Pages, since the one reached long ago isn't respected. --Hectorian (talk) 15:28, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Are you really getting a block

Sorry, but I couldn't help it - you got the official status of Greek propaganda marionette, that they will stop you and your vandalism and that you're gonna be blocked? Hmm, and no need bothering about any wikirules there. The only ones that follow them there do it because they feel that way. Most of the others are free to do whatever they like (including Admins). You know my opinion on the matter. A big LOL though. --Laveol 17:49, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

You missed some continuation :-) Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:26, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Why? What else did they say to you Future? Deucalionite (talk) 22:11, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

No, you won't get a block. Please consider, the whole thing is just a misunderstanding. Some of the users involved over at mk.wiki are inexperienced in wiki policies, have a bad temper and a hard time assuming good faith. It's hard to run a project with barely 20 active users, and things get out of hand most of the time. But I'm asking you, please, have faith. Things can and will get better, but it won't happen over night. It will be a hard and continuous process and I promise you that there are users who won't let this project derail. I'm one of them. Future Perfect, I apologize on the behalf of the mk.wiki community for any discomfort. I acknowledge you that your help is very appreciated and I am asking you to continue your collaboration with us. The whole block/"Greek propaganda marionette" was unnecessary and out of place and I will do my best to prevent such outbursts in the future. I hope that you will understand. Laveol, thank you so much for your sincere concern, lol. I, for one, am not "free to do whatever like" and I will do my best to prevent other Wikipedians from doing so. "The only ones that follow them there do it because they feel that way." — could you please elaborate on this though? Thank you, Brainmachine (talk) 03:44, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

He probably means they rejected his proposal to rename it "Western Bulgarian Misplaced Pages". ;D BalkanFever 04:18, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Ha, ha, ha, not even funny anymore. Actually I meant only a few users actually adhere to wikipolicies (You, Brainmachine, are one of them as well as BF). My opinion is such cause some time ago I made an edit with my IP and got an immediate indef block from a former (I think) admin on mkwiki (who btw one his turn is indef blocked on en.wiki although I get the impression he had or still has some socks operating here). I've given up on trying to discuss anything there cause every time I get the same. I have to discuss it 3-4 days before I make a single edit and avoid being yelled at or simply reverted with no explanation. The fact that you don't like another editor should not determine your attitude towards him. And all wikirules rules still apply on every wikipedia. --Laveol 14:06, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

It certainly looks as if many participants over at mk-wiki consider it "their" national wiki, where they expect to be given free reign to have their Macedonian national POV monopolise the articles, and that they perceive of all "intrusion" from people with other national viewpoints as blockable disruption. It is also quite clear that some admins do not hesitate to abuse their admin powers to protect their home POV. Quickly browsing through the mk-wiki block log, I see frequent block reasons of "anti-Macedonian propaganda", but not a single case where the home contributors have been sanctioned for hostile POV-driven edit-warring against those non-Macedonian newbs. I see blocks of up to a year(!) for anon IPs after a single short series of (apparently good-faith) edits, with no warnings. From the last few months alone, the following blocks seem at least worthy of some scrutiny:

• Li4kata (can't understand what the block notice is saying; no easily visible disruption preceding the block)
• anon 87.119.94.114 (marked "3RR", but no 3RR violation visible - does mk-wiki even have a 3RR? Clearly good-faith edits, POV-driven, some edit-warring, but behaviour of other side was no better)
• anon 88.67.85.125 (one-year(!) block for a single POV edit)
• anon 89.215.59.108 (1 year for "anti-macedonian propaganda", after a single series of good-faith though POV edits; limited edit-warring; hostile reverting from MacedonianBoy went unsanctioned)
• Подпоручикъ "antimacedonian propaganda"

I say this because I now see quite clearly that I myself would certainly have got the same treatment, if it hadn't been for my position as a high-profile en-wiki admin, which apparently has given me a perceived position of some kind of power. I have no doubt whatsoever that I'd otherwise be blocked by now.

This really has to change. Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:50, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

The same happened to me - with the same admin involved (who is still active as I see) --Laveol 18:52, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, it turns out I was blocked for spamming, which apparently includes adding a fact tag and trying to discuss it with the person that removed it. Mind you - my IP is floating so it's someone else that's actually blocked now. --Laveol 18:57, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Scalar implicature

Hi I quite liked the cartoon that the other guy put there - it's a difficult subject and as I understand the purpose of Misplaced Pages is to make all human knowledge accessible to everyone and suchlike good things, and I do think cartoons and appealing images can make it more digestible (cont. p 94). Is there any way of contacting the publishers and allowing the image? Best Americanlinguist (talk) 13:15, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Sure, I liked the cartoon too. The problem is only, we have very strict rules about copyright here, and one of our (self-imposed) principles is we accept such images only if there is permission not just for us to use them here in this article, but also for everybody else to re-use it outside wikipedia for any purpose. That permission will be difficult to get for a commercial syndicated cartoon, I'm afraid.

Perhaps you can just render the thing in words. Like:

"Like with other pragmatic effects, failure to respond appropriately to scalar implicatures can be a source of comic effects. Linguist Mark Lieberman, in a discussion of implicatures, pointed to the example of a "Zits" comic strip, in which a boy first asks his mother to lend him ten dollars, then, when she refuses, goes on to ask for twenty instead. The comic effect is that the boy refuses to notice that the refusal to his first request already carries the refusal of the second as a scalar implicature."

Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:07, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Quеstion

All images in the next articles are Copyright violations. Macedonia appears to use the {PD-old-70} rule, and there do not appear to be any other catches. How about all the images in the topics bellow?

National Liberation War of Macedonia

People's Liberation Army of Macedonia

Exodus of Ethnic Macedonians from Greece

Regards. Jingby (talk) 09:38, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

User:Amazonfire

Can you look at the Comfort women and editors who have been disruptively blanking properly cited info and altering information without consensus nor discussion such as Sennen goroshi (talk · contribs), and Amazonfire (talk · contribs) did? The latter returns after his 8 months break and his block by you Amazonfire was suspected as somebody's sock per his meatpuppeting to block evading users like Azukimonaka or others. I think he is a sleeper sock in light of his behaviors, and timing. Please take a look at his behaviors. Thanks.--Caspian blue 14:28, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

The map Image:Greece linguistic minorities.svg

It was removed several times of the article Minorities in Greece from unknown IP sock. Jingby (talk)

Thanks for watching. Apparently a sock of User:Walnutjk. Has been making a nuisance of himself lately. Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:22, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

I will never get it right...

Is this ] in the public domain? It has been inserted in the Hellenization page along with text that was actually copied verbatim from the sources. I like the photo a lot, but I am a bit confused. Can it be used under the terms described? If yes can I also use pictures of original texts whose copyright (I mean the text's) has expired?--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 11:59, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Do you have better pictures? I'd really like to read the some of the Aromanian. BalkanFever 12:17, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes, scanned pages from out-of-copyright books are generally fair game. Just like the many historic maps from old books we use. In what circumstances a scanned image of a text (rather than a simple quotation) makes sense as encyclopedic information is a different issue, but legally it should be no problem. Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:54, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! I 'll see then if I can find any edition of old musical scores. I plan to insert them in the motet articles!--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 12:58, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

For Dufay there probably won't be much. The oldest reliable full edition (CMM Vol. 1, by Besseler) is from the 60s, I have no idea what older ones exist and how good they are. Might be better to re-set any example excerpts we need, as I did the other day with the Josquin bits. Sorry I still didn't find time to spend an hour or two at the music library. Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:13, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Ι was under the impression that the first CMM edition was older and could be therefore used... I still owe you the Leontaritis samples and I am looking forward to working with you on the french-cypriot repertoire. I' ll check if Gallica has any relevant material--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 13:23, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Leontaritis sent. Enjoy--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 15:05, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Nice stuff! Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:48, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Question

FPaS - I need your assistance/opinion on an issue that has come up. There is an anonymous user (IP from Ireland) who is making edits to List of lakes, List of castles, and Table of administrative country subdivisions by country whereby the user is claiming that the name is "Ireland" and not "Republic of Ireland". The wikilink clearly goes to the article for Republic of Ireland and I am attempting to ensure that it stays this way, however, the user continues to revert my reversions and insist on the name being "Ireland" and not "Republic of Ireland". Can you assist in this issue and clear it up by either letting me know that this user's edits are correct (and I will no longer revert) or correct this user in stopping the actions that he/she is doing? Thank you. Rarelibra (talk) 13:56, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

I must say I have no strong opinion on this case, nor do I know what the relevant consensus among editors active in the field is. I can just about imagine some of the ideological pitfalls in making the "wrong" naming decisions here. Personally, I can't find much wrong with using the short form, in a context that is clearly a list of countries, not of some other geographical units. The Republic is usually referred to in normal spoken English as just "Ireland" after all, isn't it? Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:04, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. I modified it - hopefully the user will be happy with that. Rarelibra (talk) 19:02, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much...

...for your trenchant comments in Talk:Rescue of Jews by Polish communities during the Holocaust. I always believed that people can disagree without being disagreeable, and I am glad that you are bringing thoughtful ideas and observations to this conversation. I am enjoying your input immensely, and I wanted to express my gratitude that you are taking the time to address this issue. Be well. Ecoleetage (talk) 16:25, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

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A plesant interlude

Excuse me, FPaS, but noticing your knowledge of Greek, can you understand what is so funny about this? Kapnisma ? 18:01, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Tip: Greek language question

LOL. Nice one. I had only heard of that other one "Περι εξωπετάξεως όπλου γκρά" where the culprit turns out to be a "καραπουτανάρα που δε συμμαζεύεται" (that one seems to circulate in various variations). But the "eorakamen" is better, especially because of the anakolouthon in the second sentence. :-) Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:19, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

The presence of this ancient verb,εωρακαμεν, shows an effort to prettify, what really crosses the limits of drollery is this incredible σελαγιζουσης ,from the slang verb σαλαγω (=drive the sheep into the fold) transformed into archail past participle... You were a lucky nation, not having such a problem with your language. Kάπνισμα 19:03, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Sorry to barge in like that but the verb comes actually from σελαγίζειν which means to shine like a flame, to flicker cf. σέλας. What is meant is that the the moon was shining--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 19:13, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

You justly remarked that, but I clearly doupt that Ioannis knew that when he wrote it and I believe he ment to use σαλαγω Kάπνισμα 19:21, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

LOL, you are most certainly right in thinking so... --Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 19:27, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Pomaks vs Bulgarian Muslims

It is not proven that the Pomaks are Bulgarian Muslims so the article should not be neither merged with Bulgarian Muslims, nor redirected to it. Think only about the Armenian Paulicians settled in Bulgaria and converted to Islam. Are they Bulgarian too? Since when troublesome articles get deleted or redirected without consensus? If you can't help solving the problem, then do not delete! This is stupid. --Chech Explorer (talk) 18:48, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

I think you've misunderstood his intentions - see the talkpage of the Pomaks article. It should be deleted cause it's a copyvio. I for one support the merged article to bear the name Pomaks.

Some off-topic - I'll leave it in the same section, though. Future, isn't User:Mactruth (former User:Maktruth on the same 1RR per 48 hours as me? Cause if I'm not mistaken, he has broken it at least once - see this. Further he broke it without logging in on 23rd Oct - see this. He claims this was not him editing the article, although yesterday he edited a talkpage from the same IP on Talk:Philip II of Macedon where he immediately changed the IP with his signature . Now he claims that this is another person, but even if is isn't this a meatpuppet since it edits articles in the same region as him? And with a pretty similar pattern? --Laveol 21:10, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Do athletics fall into your interests?

Otherwise can you recommend me an administrator who is familiar with sports (basketball in particular)? --Ioannes Tzimiskes (talk) 16:05, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

No, not really, sports clubs are not really one of the things I deal with. You seem to have a dispute about notability of players? Better to ask for a third opinion at one of the relevant wikiprojects perhaps. Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:47, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Bălţi Steppe

Oh, I am really sorry! I never thought about distroying edit history. When I tried to rename it, it prompted me that the page already exists, and that care should be taken not to loose the talk page. But I did not realize about loosing edit history. That means that it was imperative to undo what I did, and I am glad you noticed it. I am sorry I wasn't very thoughtful. (It is not the first time I do simmilar mistakes. But I never do the same exact mistake twice. :))

Sure, I will start a proposal to move the article from Bălţi Steppe to Bălţi steppe. I would like to add also that I accepted some months ago that this, and not Bălţi plane is the correct name (regardless of capitalization of "s"), and I am holding to that oppinion. I will not make any attemptes to change now that, I see, Moldopodo seems to be banned. I changed my mind because I was persuaded by the arguments, and the arguments stand regardless of whether a user is present or no longer. Thank you very much for your kind intervention. Dc76\ 00:15, 7 November 2008 (UTC)