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Blank Page

Wow, a blank page. I cannot resist the urge to edit it. I hope you have a wonderful day today! Johntex\ 16:41, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

I don't blame you -- I could barely resist myself! =) So far so good. Got to interview the Discovery crew this morning; a personal highlight. Hope yours is good too! · Katefan0 16:52, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

I just noticed - Congratulations on the adminship! Simesa 21:59, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Admns.

You wrote: "Danny, since I'm functioning as an admin on this page I can't really get into weighing in on content disputes myself. · Katefan0(scribble) 21:51, 20 September 2005 (UTC)"

What does this mean exactly? Does this mean other admns. can or cannot weigh in on content? DannyZz 22:52, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Thank you Kate!

I merely wanted to drop by to thank you for your interest and the effort you're putting in perfecting our Texas Ranger Division article. With your aid and that of other users who have taken interest in the project, we'll hopefully have won another Featured Article for Texas soon .

Have a great day! (or should I say, "another" great day? Interviewing the Discovery crew?? Beat that!) Shauri Yes babe? 00:26, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Image:Danlungren.jpg has been listed for deletion

--Calton | Talk 03:18, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

P.S: I assume they mean "released by campaign" is insufficient.

Karl Rove

Earlier you stated in an edit summary that you had reverted a text move in the talk page I had done because "(Hipocrite, I appreciate that you want to corral the discussion, but please don't erase other users' comments; not the way to achieve that end. Reverting)." If you review the two diffs - you will see no text was removed - that I had mereley moved some items above the line. Paul Klenk is using your edit summary as evidence in an attempt to get me somethinged on vandalism in progress. I had just assumed that because you had not reverted my second move, this was an error on your part, and let it go, but now I'm going to have to ask you to clarify - were you accurate in your first edit summary? Thanks. Hipocrite - «Talk» 11:30, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Ray Nagin

You want better sourcing than a local TV anchor and an AP photo? If you were to take a closer look at my sourcing, you'd see I have provided 2 national network (not local) news anchors who are both veterans - NBC's Lisa Myers and ABC's Dean Reynolds. I have also provided excerpts with links from official government documents, and I have provided clear photos from 3 sources - AP, Reuters and Wikinews. While your criticism of Aquillion's DailyKos blog source is somehow absent. Did Wikinews make all my other sources invalid?;0) --JimmyCrackedCorn 22:54, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

By "yes" are you saying my use of Wikinews as a source poisoned all the other sources, or are you acknowledging my rundown of the 6 sources as factual? Where did you get the idea I had only a local reporter and one AP photo, anyway?

Nobs Redux at Talk:VENONA project

Someone, not I, has consolidated the discussion over the Venona documents and how to represent them (prompted by the tect written by Nobs on many pages) onto a single page: Talk:VENONA project. This discussion currently centers on Bentley. I hope you will join us in trying to resolve many of the issues that keep cropping up across Misplaced Pages in this matter. Thanks.--Cberlet 13:01, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the Welcome

Thanks for the welcome note Katefan. I am still gingerly trying to figure out how to use this place - but the concept is EXCELLENT. Let me know if I really mess anything up. LOL. Michigan user 16:53, 22 September 2005 (UTC) OK - I am really messed up - it was Journalist that left the note <sigh> - but Hi anyway!!

Claíomh Solais

Thanks for afd removal. It wasn't an article I had any intention of writing, but its original stub was such a mess I got lured in - quite interesting in the end! Dlyons493 22:58, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Price Anderson again

Ben is again declaring that we're post-mediation, and introducing strongly POV statements.

I'm inclined to agree that we need a new mediator, as Uncle Ed has resigned his bureaucrat status and seems to be less involved overall. Simesa 14:47, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Ben radically changed the paragraph you wrote on the historuy of Price-Anderson. Would you like to tackle it or shall I? Simesa 00:48, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Bear in mind - while arguing with the facts asserted in that paragraph, that the Supreme Court is the final trier of fact in the United States, and that is their finding - verbatim. I thought it was better written and clearly neutral (with respect to the three of us). I'm open to mods, but I'd like to see a strong case made for why "Kate"s version has more credibility than the third branch. Benjamin Gatti

Hey

You haven't been questioned on a afd yet. You must be doing something wrong! lol --Woohookitty 11:02, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

But now you have a RfM against you. One up on me. Mwahahahahahahahahaha! MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! *Cough*. --Woohookitty 19:24, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Yep I looked. Hopefully we can get it archived or deleted. Doesn't belong there. Can you imagine if we could ask for mediation on every edit? God the horror. --Woohookitty 19:37, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Libertines

So time to create the category Libertine Misplaced Pages Editors  ??

RfM against you

Were you aware that AlexLinsker filed an RfM against you? Simesa 14:23, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Er, no. Who is that? · Katefan0 16:33, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

I also just noticed that when they filed it, User:Alexlinsker@gmail.com filed it over User:DKorn's RfM against Gorgonzilla and others (especially me), as well as over the template inclusion for one involving Sam Spade ; they apparently just took the top RfM on the page and edited it into the RfM they wanted it to be. Nobody else seems to have noticed or cared. Hrm. --Aquillion 22:31, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

I can't say I'm especially eager to restore an RfM whose text consists primarily of a rant against myself, especially given that the dispute it's related to seems to have been mostly resolved and even the person who filed it didn't notice it was gone. I doubt they're going to be especially eager to pursue an RfM based around others accusing them of sockpuppetry at this point in any case. But restore it if you must. --Aquillion 22:42, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations

I'm hoping better late than never applies here!! SlimVirgin 16:31, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Handbook of Texas deletion proposal

66.167.253.162 17:11, 26 September 2005 (UTC):Please go here and express your opinion on whether Category:Handbook of Texas citations should be deleted. Your membership in Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Texas makes your opinion on this topic particularly valuable.

Rind et al reverts

Could you please reply to my query at Talk:Rind et al. (1998)#Reverts? 24ip | lolol 18:10, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

First Upload

I have this image, released in a news release by a university, that I need for two articles. I'd like to load it to Commons. I'll e-mail you the file and the details, and can you tell me how to load it? Thanks, Simesa 19:45, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

homeopathy revert wars

hello, im not sure if you have been keeping up to date with the homeopathy section but I really think that the entire page should be taken into some kind of arbitration because the situation is out of control. There has been a recurring set of edit wars which usually ivolve user:aegeis and another member of the talk:homeopathy group reverting each other repeadtely. I think the diplomatic route is being blocked by just general lack of agreement on idealogy and a lack will to compromise. What can be done? PhatRita 13:25, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Response to you

K, in case my response to you on BD777's page got went unnoticed in the long thread, I thought I'd let you know I copied your question to my page and answered it there. paul klenk 21:36, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Woodroffe Avenue

Sorry to bother you, but I wonder if you double check this deletion decision. By my count there were 17 votes to delete, 8 to keep, and 1 to merge, which does not meet the general 2/3rds minimum for deletion (remember that merge is a form of keep). Moreover the article in question was greatly expanded during the course of the debate more than doubling in size, and the later votes on this new article were overwhelmingly to keep. - SimonP 18:36, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

I'm not going to list it on VfU, as it is a fairly minor article, but I am somewhat concerned about your attitude. We are not looking for "close enough" to 66%, we are instead looking for consensus, which I find difficult to find in this instance. The 2/3rds has always been not a threshold that must be met, but rather a minimum that must be surpassed. Remember the one part of the Deletion guidelines for administrators that is bolded is "when in doubt keep." - SimonP 19:13, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Little Italy, Ottawa

Hi! Thanks for closing off the Preston Street (Ottawa) VfD with a move. Since the other dozen Little Italies on Misplaced Pages are named "Little Italy, CITY" (see Little Italy for a list of them), I've moved Little Italy (Ottawa) to Little Italy, Ottawa. I thought I'd leave you a note so that it doesn't catch you off guard. Hopefully by the end of the weekend there'll be an article on Little Italy there, unless it's really good motorcycling weather. — File:Ontario trillium sig.pngmendel ☎ 19:04, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Acu-gen

If you happen to know Alicia Ault of the Washington Post, would you mind directing her to Acu-gen. She might be interested to know about NPR's story today. Thanks! Johntex\ 22:19, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

BTW - I've now posted this article for {{peerreview}} because I want to make sure it is NPOV. Feel free to take a look if you have time. Thanks, Johntex\ 13:55, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Hi Kate, thank you very much for the compliment on my user page, for the help with Acu-gen, and for the help on Red River Shootout! It is amazing how much great work you do here! Best, Johntex\ 17:30, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Well, for one thing, I've never been nominated... :-) It would be a very high honor if I were to one-day receive that opportunity/responsibility. Johntex\ 17:51, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

DELETION PRACTICE

Hi, Hedonistic, Deleting Administrator ( yes, I read your User page ). Greetings from a "Discriminating" Hedonist ( I draw "some" lines ), New Guy, practicing deletions. HAHAHAHA, or learning how to use and enjoy this new Misplaced Pages world that keeps me up until 0200 in the morning! Hey, have I been chewed out for not following a rule one day. Wanted to let you know however, that I deleted your SR-71 Blackbird addition about Astronaut Wings....see the discussion page explanation, but bottom line is that it just didn't happen.....the great Blackbird just couldn't get that high! Now on the ground we fliers might have tried with some of that beer you love, but nope, the vehicle couldn't make it.

David Dempster 23:30, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

The Daily Texan

Katefan0, I see you used to work at The Daily Texan. I started an article on it because it was driving me crazy to see the red links. Can you check it and add or change anything as you see fit? Thanks! Maltmomma 02:48, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Arbitration Requested

Per community consensus, Arbitration has been requested against BigDaddy777. Please add any details or comments you feel are appropriate. Mr. Tibbs 04:31, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Clearing the Vandalism in progress list

Hello Kate, i'm wondering why you cleared the IP moderate list of the Misplaced Pages:Vandalism_in_progress list. The User i reported yesterday hasn't been blocked yet or no actions have been taken against him/her. --Husky 10:28, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Deletion of Detroit Focus Quarterly (DFQ)

Hi Katefan0;

I've moved for work, and I was unable to explain the importance of DFQ to the artistic community of Southwestern Michigan. DFQ is a part of an organization that periodically hosts region-wide photographic exhibitions at numerous locations, at least 100 venues in the year 2000. The handbook published by Detroit Focus, for finding all of these venues is now a collectible, and the contents a rosetta stone for unlocking photography in southwestern Michigan. I am concerned that we have lost valuable cultural references with this deletion.

Sincerely,

William Juntunen Royal Oak, Michigan

Wmjuntunen 15:29, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Posting of Conversation

Thank you Katefan0 for you kind and swift reply. I appreciate your volunteering to handle administrative duties on Misplaced Pages, and I will return to your talk page to mark it with four tildes.

It is my understanding that Misplaced Pages is not a democracy, and deletion isn't always carried out on basis of vote counting. In certain cases, the merits of one argument can win over multiple votes, or at least stay a deletion for additional discussion. And if the author of an article is a Wikipedian in good faith, as I feel I am, it is perhaps unsound to delete his article without providing notice to that author in good faith. Perhaps deletion without representation is tantamount to taxation without representation?

It is easy to continue to document how Detroit Focus Quarterly is a reference periodical for any art critic interested in coming to terms with the Cass Cooridor Art Movement. I believe that its collection by libraries of art history sufficiently warrants its inclusion in Misplaced Pages. After all, Misplaced Pages is attempting to benchmark other scholarly sources, such as Encarta. I expect that Detroit Focus Quarterly will be easily found in OCLC.

Online Computer Library Center, Inc. www.oclc.org/

Sincerely

Will Juntunen Wmjuntunen 15:31, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Potentially Great Fruit

Dear Katefan0:

Thank you for the generosity of your replies. Misplaced Pages is constantly fine-tuning itself. A deletion notice, as a separate feature from the watch-list, might strike one of the Misplaced Pages commitees as a robust addition. Misplaced Pages is a gentleperson's pursuit, and direct email notification is jolly good sport. And surely, the deletion of DFQ strikes me as not entirely cricket.

The technology to email a notification is clearly easy to implement. As an analogy, if I am to be called into court, I can be called into court with a posting to a public newspaper. That's like a watchlist. However, the court is extra fair by sending a court officer to serve a subpoena at my door, into my hand. That's like an alert email. And even though I can't afford time to check Misplaced Pages, I always check my email.

Misplaced Pages allows stubs in artistic categories; this deleted article had a short history of DFQ as well as a link to the newest incarnation of DFQ, the Detroit Focus website. That's a pretty good stub. More, DFQ is listed in library collections, and thus it was a valid stub. Misplaced Pages will grow stronger by benchmarking OCLC and scholary works of bibliography, at least in stubs. More, as the Wikipedians who googled DFQ and still voted for deletion might have noticed, most of the entries on Google are from artists who include DFQ on their vitas, hallmarking a critically acclaimed artistic career. Indeed, I learned of DFQ when reviewing the archives of a rather famous local artist.

Stubs are valid because that's how Misplaced Pages announces a valid catergory about which more information is wanted. I had emailed the current president of this organization in order to find a member willing to maintain the entry. I will document these email conversations in the talk sections in the future, so people reviewing the article can write themselves, if their wish for scholary rigour motivates.

My continued conversation on this topic has potentially great fruit. What is available to you, in terms of strengthening your career as a Wikipedian, by looking up DFQ in OCLC and then reversing your deletion decision? Or at least, placing the matter into an ombudsman or mediation process? As for the idea of my re-writing the article, I might do so, but not when incomplete scholarship has too much power. Actually, I will rewrite the article once I have a list of all the artists who have been documented by DFQ.

With the greatest respect

Wmjuntunen 16:25, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Fining Tuning the Judgment of a Misplaced Pages Administrator - My Coaching

Thank you for the direction to the town pump. Would you also direct me to the process for requesting undeletion. I believe my entry in talk is sufficient, but please guide me on this.

Again, my concern is to fine-tune Misplaced Pages. If Misplaced Pages can delete an entry upon DFQ with five votes, with very little discussion of art history, then Misplaced Pages is going to miss valuable content. More, can an intellectual decision be rendered without one response from the angel's side? An unanimous decision is great in a democracy, but in a deliberative process is egregious. Misplaced Pages is a deliberation, not a democracy. Deliberation requires a voice from all sides, and even goes to the point of finding the voice of the other side. Was there an effort to find an angel's voice for DFQ, if not mine? For example, in the sainthood process, an angel's advocate and a devil's advocate is appointed.

With deepest appreciation of your willingness to engage this discussion.

Wmjuntunen 16:50, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for your compliments and kind words! They're greatly appreciated. Also, congrats on the fine work you do around here, and a (belated) congrats on your adminship. Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk | W_S 02:05, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

arbcom question

How long do you think it'll take before it gets accepted? And doesn't a separate page get created besides just the listing on the RfA page? --kizzle 05:15, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

Hi, thanks for reverting the vandalism to my User page. That's the first time that has happened...I didn't even notice until I looked at the history, thanks to you! --Chan-Ho 09:18, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

help with issue on Ann Coulter page

Hi, sorry to drag you into this but we seem to have run into an especially problematic impasse on the Ann Coulter page and could use some outside help. Basically user:Eleemosynary and user:Guettarda together have decided that myself, User:64.154.26.251, and User:BigDaddy777 are sockpupets of the same person and are basically refusing to work with us at all (all of our changes get reverted with accusations of vandalism and 3rr violations). They also refuse to discuss the matter. Do you have any ideas for how to get past this kind of thing? perhaps provide proof through outside communication with a mediator? 67.124.200.240 13:46, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

btw I have created this account which I use from now on, though it may confuse things further, just in case being anon is a problem in itself. 67124etc 14:06, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

well regarding blocks there was Eleemosynary's 3rr violation. Is calling other editors sockpuppets really a valid excuse to do that? but I was mainly hoping you had a suggestion as to how a sockpuppet accusation could be debunked. 67124etc 16:06, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

WP:AN

Hi Katefan. I removed from the noticeboard the section started anonymously by banned User:Skyring as part of his continued attack on nixie. Your reply was also removed (sorry!). If this bothers you, let me know and I'll put it back. Thanks, --Cyberjunkie | Talk 16:29, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

I've never heard anybody criticise the excellence of user:petaholmes' research, but clearly she needs to work on her spelling and grammar, because it detracts from otherwise impeccable work, especially if it remains uncorrected. Hence my question. Obviously user:Cyberjunkie thinks there is something malicious going on, but fails to nominate a solution that doesn't ruffle anybody's feathers. Perhaps you could help to keep an eye on her edits — nobody is going to accuse you of wikistalking. However, may I remind you of WP:NPA? Thanks!

No, you may not. Thanks. · Katefan0 20:02, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

WP:VIP

So is there somewhere where I can read up on conventions for WP:VIP? If I investigate a vandalism attempt and decide it isn't vandalism, do I post a comment right there or delete the entry. If I post a comment, how long do we keep the entry for such non-vandalism? And is there a good way (other than WP:AN?) to coordinate with other admins, like letting people know I rolled back a bunch of vandalism by some user but expect it to continue? My apologies if this is spelled out somewhere where I should have caught it already. Jdavidb 23:19, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks! See you on VIP. Jdavidb 16:34, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

I think we need some kind of template set to place on the talk pages of users who report on WP:VIP:

"Thank you for reporting vandalism on WP:VIP. Administrators have taken action to stop this. Keep up the good work! Misplaced Pages needs editors like you to help keep a watch for this kind of stuff." (We could even award some sort of "mini-Barnstar" or something.

"Thank you for reporting vandalism on WP:VIP. WP:VIP is for persistent vandalism. The policy on the page states that before listing, a vandal should have been warned with the appropriate templates. Since the vandalism you reported has not been persistent and the vandal has not been previously warned, no action has been taken. We do encourage you to continue to help fight vandalism."

"Thank you for reporting vandalism on WP:VIP. However, this is a content dispute which you and the other user(s) involved will need to settle on the article's talk page. If the participants are unable to come to consensus on what the article should say, here are some links to Misplaced Pages's dispute resolution policy."

and so on. Jdavidb 19:27, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Yay! Kate's visiting me!

Hi there! Thank you so much for the lovely words, Kate! In fact, I intentionally made no campaigning for me at all. More than once, my fingers burned to let you and other friends know I was up for RfA, but if I was to be supported, I wanted to be on a fully objective basis. It would have been easy for me to msg all my friends and tell you all to come and vote, but I would have felt dirty. Hey, all's well that ends well, and I'm a Cabalist thanks to the community as a whole, just like you are, and proud of it! ;) Hope you're doing great, hun, and if you need me, just make sure to whistle, k? Hugz! Shauri smile! 20:44, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Howdy

Sorry about any misunderstandings were may have had over in the Ray Nagin discussion. You're right, my additions were just musings and didn't add much but hot air. I'm center right politically but have supported Nagin's stance on this entire affair for a variety of reasons, and I'm just tired of the anons and sockpuppets pushing anti Nagin claptrap. See you around.--MONGO 08:22, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Reply to your message (and thanks!)

Hi, Katefan0, many thanks for your kind words and for your obvious confidence in me! Yes, I am interested in trying for adminship in the not too distant future, but I want (a) to reach at least 1500 edits, and (b) to have finished my Open University exams (19 October) before I try, because I might be too busy to answer potential criticism. Also, I'd like to make myself a little more familiar with Misplaced Pages policy, and even some basic "how-to" (e.g. merging pages, inserting images, etc.). I definitely expect to try before Christmas! Thanks again. Ann Heneghan 10:33, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Apollo moon landing hoax accusations

Hello Katefar0 - I think you were a bit quick to protect the Apollo moon landing hoax accusations page. I had no intention of violating the 3-RR rule - though I can't speak for anyone else on the page. I was hoping that User:Astronaught would see that his edits were not being reverted by just me but that they were the judgement of the community. It seems that he also made many anonymous edits to this page that have also been reverted in the past. Protecting the page is a rather phyrric victory. That said, I am not pushing for the page to be unprotected - others should make those requests since I have been involved with this dispute. Cheers --PhilipO 23:25, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Quotes

You're definitely right that quotes are often used as a way to circumvent the NPOV policies. Check out this egregious example: Anti-globalization and Anti-Semitism. Kaldari 18:59, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

"Outnumbered" or How to Win Friends and Influence People on the Misplaced Pages

Has a Misplaced Pages editor ever persuaded you that you were wrong, and he or she was right by telling you that you were outnumbered? patsw 00:29, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Question about WikiLens

I am a primary driver behind the site, and I do not remember creating the page, because I read the Misplaced Pages guidelines saying "don't create your own page". It said it was deleted in part because of self-promotion. Also, I just figured out what "copyvio" means, and that makes me more curious. Finally, although I would not wish to self-promote our site to the point that it irritates someone, I would of course be pleased if it could have a Misplaced Pages page. Since I do not remember knowing of the existence of the page, I never saw the debate to delete.

I wonder if I could at least see the text of the deleted page, to see what might have happened? Perhaps you could leave the text on my user page or something? It's not urgent, but I am curious. If that is inappropriate, I'd appreciate any advice you might have. Perhaps if it looks like it wasn't me that created it (and I don't recognize the creator IP offhand), I might submit an undeletion request. Thanks in advance. dfrankow 02:40, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Barnstar

Have one on me.

Take care, Molotov (talk) 06:52, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Urrutia

Thanks for your help on Benjamin Urrutia. I hope that the current version is stable. --goethean ॐ 18:51, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Tell me...

...you didn't just go on MY TALK PAGE and capriciously edit out MY POST

By what authority did you engage in this act? Thanks. Big Daddy 01:50, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Ever think of asking ME about it before you barge into MY talkpage and started deleting stuff? I never authorized you to do anything of the sort. And now, instead of an apology, I get my intelligence insulted with this disingenous attack "But you have been so quick to judge me for an act of concern." Nice touch.... Big Daddy 03:03, 8 October 2005 (UTC)