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	:::Please read the right above thread and diff. That is ABOUT everything about our DISPUTE of the article. And I provided sources to the contested content that Bukubku who falsely accused me of being a vandal "inserting racist contents" (actually Bukubku's blanking the contents) to AIV, ANI and ] and several admins's talk page instead of my suggestion to him to open a discussion here and address his concern, has been very quite for over 10 days. He did not reject my insertion of the provided sources.. Therefore, here has nothing to resolve further, so I've demand Bukubku's alleged "dispute", but he did not even say anything about his claim after his ANI reports.--] 17:35, 15 November 2008 (UTC)		:::Please read the right above thread and diff. That is ABOUT everything about our DISPUTE of the article. And I provided sources to the contested content that Bukubku who falsely accused me of being a vandal "inserting racist contents" (actually Bukubku's blanking the contents) to AIV, ANI and ] and several admins's talk page instead of my suggestion to him to open a discussion here and address his concern, has been very quite for over 10 days. He did not reject my insertion of the provided sources.. Therefore, here has nothing to resolve further, so I've demand Bukubku's alleged "dispute", but he did not even say anything about his claim after his ANI reports.--] 17:35, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
	::::In light of that, I'll need to be convinced by Bukubku that this isn't something an admin should take care of :-/ ] (]) 19:46, 15 November 2008 (UTC) <small>I'm somewhat under the impression that it's not; I always give the benefit of the doubt :-)</small>		::::In light of that, I'll need to be convinced by Bukubku that this isn't something an admin should take care of :-/ ] (]) 19:46, 15 November 2008 (UTC) <small>I'm somewhat under the impression that it's not; I always give the benefit of the doubt :-)</small>

			I don't trust Caspian blue.

			Fist of all, he wrote anti-Japanese articles without source. so I tagged fact and wrote sourced oppositinal article. But Caspian blue deleted again again.. Please, see ].

			Then he provieded his new source. Then he also told WikiProject Japan's people like that ''I already provided him links that back up the mistreatment that Dr.Woo suffered and Bukubku ignored the "fact".''. However his new link didn't explain his articles. Please see ]. Curiously, his link source has never been cited by him from now on.

			After my accusation, he provided some sources.

			1."History revew > Continued falsification on history by Japan (역사 재조명 > 일본의 계속되는 역사 왜곡), Sisa Magazine. 2004-04-19, http://www.sisamagazine.co.kr/news/quickViewArticleView.html?idxno=331. Retrieved on 27 October 2008." quote:이 외에도 사바틴의 보고서는 일본군이 치밀하게 만행을 저질렀으며 그 후 제물포 항에 정박해 있던 일본군함이 황급히 일본으로 떠났다고도 보고하고 있다. 그는 분명 일본 정부가 시해 사건에 개입한 증거라고 결론짓고 있다. 또한 사건의 주요 무력 기반이 일본군이었음도 한국사 연구자 야마베 겐타로에 의해 밝혀졌다. 따라서 남은 문제는 이 사건의 배후 구도가 어떠했는지를 규명하는 것이다. 그런데도 일본은 이 사건을 왜곡하는 데에만 치중하고 있다.

			(Translation)Sabatin reported Japanese army finely carried out brutality, then anchored Japanese naval ship left toward Japan in a hurry. He concluded this was the evidence of Japanese government involvement in the assassination. Also Korean history researcher 야마베 겐타로 explained the main military force was based on Japanese army. Consequently, the problem which remains is bringing out the behind of the incident.
			However Japan is attaching importance to only distorting the incident.

			Caspian blue wrote "it is apparent that the Japanese government attempted to divert the blame to the Koreans."

			His coment is not sourced.

			2."Baek Sukgi"

			This source is very susupicious. There is apparent evidence.

			Caspian blue wrote from this source like that "The policy was aiming to hinder Koreans from obtaining technological knowledge and to profit from selling the seeds to Koreans at a high price."

			But Japan was ruled by the United States. Japan had no her own policy at the time.

			So I propose his suspicious comments should be deleted.--] (]) 14:46, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

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Help With Translation

Anybody skilled in translating Korean please help me.

"우장춘이 일하고 있던 유채 씨앗 연구실의 주요 과제는 바로 유채 씨앗의 품종 개량이었습니다. 우장춘이 맡은 일이란 십자화과 십물의 종간 교배를 통하여 새로운 종자를 만들어 내는 것이었습니다.

우장춘은 연구를 거듭하여 마침내 조선종 유채와 일본종의 유채를 교배하여 전혀 새로운 종을 만들어 낸는 데 선공했습니다. 조선종과 일본종은 서로 종이 달라서 보통의 방법으로는 서로 교배가 되지 않았습니다. 그러나 우장춘은 염색체를 분석하여 어떠한 방법으로든 반드시 교배가 가능하다는 확신을 가졌습니다." (Wikimachine 03:29, 6 June 2006 (UTC))

"A significant observation was that, does evolution happen not only through buildup of beneficial mutations that lead to speciation, but also through exchange of genes between different species." This is what I got out of

"서로 다른 종의 생물이 합쳐져서 새로운 잡종을 만들어 내어 진화하기도 한다."

Correct? (Wikimachine 03:47, 6 June 2006 (UTC))

The description on Samurai should be erased

On Early life,the phrase the Japanese had hired gangsters or so-called Samurais appears.That will impose an impression that a samurai equalls or is very similar to a gangster upon readers. On the other day I pointed out that to the writer.I hope the description will be modified or erased by his/her courtesy. --Trilozengy 05:39, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

To think about it, you are right. (Wikimachine 03:54, 22 June 2006 (UTC))

Protected

I've protected this for two weeks while the editors sort out the problems. — Rlevse • Talk • 22:55, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Don't delete " {"{fact}"}" and "<"references /">" ."_.-2008-11-05T03:20:00.000Z">

There is my report in Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive487#User: Caspian blue. Don't delete " {"{fact}"}" and "<"references /">", again.--Bukubku (talk) 03:20, 5 November 2008 (UTC)"_."> "_.">

Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive487#User:Bukubku's harassment

You forgot to mention about your massive blanking, lying, personal attacks and harassment.
At the top of the page has "{{Unreferenced}} template, and you only tagged the to contents that you dislike and then blanked out massively. The article has reference section and you said the article with no inline resources is not references. Then, according to your logic, the whole content of the article should be blanked out with your disliking contents.
Moreover, you keep lying that my restoration from your massive "blanking" to the original status as "insertion". Those are called not only "personal attacks" and "harassment", but also "dishonesty" to nibble away your thin credibility (your attempt to falsify sources and contents was already proven at Empress Myeongseong)
You also did not mention about your deletion of info related to Empress Myeongseong when you went for forum shopping to admins and editors.
You lied that I rejected formal meditation suggested by admin and you. You're the one who has been rejecting my suggestion to open a discussion for your claim.
However, all you have said are continuous personal attacks based on your lies. You said at ANI page, "Expel the shameless vandal who are bashing Japanese" I can't believe your sources because it is written by South Koreans". On WP:JA, people said that they could not find any racism that you allege and I did "insert such things". Then you resumed the forum shopping to get a favorable answer for you instead of opening a discussion.
You rather made the racist attacks at the page that should be reviewed.
Given your mistake on Empress Myeongseong and blanking of the name of a Russian eye-witness from Korea under Japanese rule, your mockery proves that you are only heard that "causing massive disruption since you appeared"
You're spreading "false info" to people that "my source" is just one link. Well, why did you forget to mention about the book attacked to the reference section and I referred to.
Of course, your assuming WP:bad faith, WP:Incivility, WP:Harassment, WP:Dishonesty and denials to have a discussion with me are "being recorded" per your contribution.--Caspian blue 12:50, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

1.I don't lie. Caspian, don't harass Admin Kwamikagami, moreover.

2.Don't tell choplogic.

3.I don't harass anyone.

4.8.Because you disguised Korean Army. You wrote a group of Japanese agents entered the Imperial palace in Seoul, which was under Japanese guard. And your e-mail source was suspicious. Thereafter I searched your source, I found your source was administered by Victoria University of Wellington. Your source is acceptable. I will rewrite your sentence after protection expired.

5.I don't lie. You distort your source. There is a report (Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive489#User: Caspian blue (second)).

6.I don't lie. Because WP:JA people didn't know your distortion.

7.?

9.Caspian blue's words I already provided him links that back up the mistreatment that Dr.Woo suffered and Bukubku ignored the "fact".Caspian blue's link.--Bukubku (talk) 16:39, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

WP:IncidentArchive489#ANIBukubku's harassment and forum shopping again

1)You lied ~so many times, 2) you lied 3) you have harassed me enough just like the false ANI reports instead of opening a discussion. I opened the discussion and you never filed the meditation and lied that I rejected your offer (So when did you open a meditation or discussion?) 4) You did. 5) You distorted sources and my comments, so you have to apologize for your wrong behaviors. 6) Oh, you distorted my comments and JA people are in a good standing and you're not. 7.?? 8. You forgot to mention about my previous comment regarding the book and others. You distorted information so many times. So it it the time to check the book source. Your only way to communicate with people is making a false reports and forum shpopping based on lies? You attacked me "I'm a shameless person to be expelled". Well, according to your allegation, you should not have a privilige to edit English Misplaced Pages.--Caspian blue 17:41, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Bukubku's blanked contents / requested inline citations

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Woo_Jang-choon&diff=247757126&oldid=247715951

This diff is about the contents that Bukubku (talk · contribs) tried to blank out and lied that I "inserted" as accusing me of being a racist and sockpuppet of Wikimachine (talk · contribs) who created the article. I've never heard such absurd allegation. You just made the hoax report to link everyone to defame me. I've wondered how you figured out my former name and some indef.blocked user unlike your experience for just one and half month. Anyway, I post Korean "quotes" first, and then you can use "translation tool" or ask somebody who can read Korean since you can't believe my translation at all. FYI, %% mark indicates to be not a new reference added by me, but already attached citations to the article. If you insist that who the hell of the book's author is and you can't trust him, well, he is a current president of the Publishing Association of South Korea. and a former president of a university. The book is out of print.Baek Sukgi (백석기), Woongjin Wiinjeongi #30 Woo Jang-Choon (C) Woongjin Publishing Co., Ltd. 1987 It is not in Public Domain, so as to avoid copyright violation, the quotes are hidden in the collapsible table.--Caspian blue 14:07, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Contents	Quotes	Resources
Woo Beomseon was the leading general of Byeolgigun (별기군 別技軍), the first westernized Korean army during the late period of Joseon dynasty, and had sought political asylum in Japan. He was a Gaehwapa movement adherently, and was mingled into the The Eulmi Incident - the assassination of the empress- in 1895. The Japanese government was allegedly involved in the assassination of Empress Myeongseong, who had carried out policies against the Japanese, and, although there are controversial viewpoints on the subject, it is apparent that the Japanese government attempted to divert the blame to the Koreans.	%%아버지 우범선은 우리 나라 최초의 신식 군대인 조선군 후련대 대대장을 지낸 사람이었습니다. 개화파였던 그는 1895년에 일본에 의해 저질러진 을미 사변, 즉 '왕비 민씨 살해' 사건으로 인하여 쫓기는 몸이 되었습니다. 그렁다고 그가 직접 고종 임금의 비인 민씨의 살해에 참여한 것은 아니었습니다. 일본은 조선 사람들에게 왕비 살애 계흭을 숨기고 마치 조선사람들이 저지른 것처럼 꾸몄던 것입니다.	p. 6-7
Woo suffered from mistreatments common to fatherless children. Sakai Naka left Woo over to an orphanage in a Buddhist temple temporarily in order to make living. Food was limited to potatoes, and Woo was segregated by other Japanese children for being a Korean. For over one year, Woo stayed in the orphanage until his mother returned to him.	이렇게 해서 우장춘은 고아원에 홀로 맡겨졌습니다. 아버지도 없고 어머니와도 헤어진 그는, 아무것도 먹지 않고 며칠 동안 울기만 했습니다. 그러다가 울어도 아무 소용이 없다는 것을 알고 나서부터야 조금씩 고아원 생활에 익숙해지기 시작했습니다. 전쟁통이라 먹는 것도 입는 것도 어렵기만 했습니다. 고아원에서는 하루 세 끼를 언제나 감자만 먹었습니다. 우장춘은 고아원에서 지내는 동안, 다른 사람이 일생 동안 먹어야 할 감자를 먹어야만 했습니다. 그래서 그 후로는 감자에 질려 쳐다보기도 싫을 정도였습니다. 배가 고픈 것보다 더욱 참을 수 없는 것은 멸시와 위로움이었습니다. 우장춘은 일본 아이들에세서 까닭 없이 놀림과 구박을 받았습니다. 아이들은 우장춘과 함께 놀려고 하지 않았습니다. 그것은 우장춘이라는 이름부터가 자기들과 다른 조선인이기 때문이었습니다. 우장춘은 일본 아이들과 어울려 놀지 않고 공부만 했습니다. 아무리 멸시와 차별이 심하더라도 공부를 잘 하는 아이에게는 함부로 대하지 못하기 때문입니다. 우장춘은 날마다 어머니가 보고 싶었습니다. 하지만 어머니가 돈을 벌어서 돌아올 때까지 슬픔을 참고 지내야만 했습니다. 우장춘은 그렇게 고아원에서 1년도 넘게 지냈습니다.	p. 11 -12
He attended an elementary school, and studied very hard to earn respect from other Japanese so to avoid mistreatment.	우장춘은 일본 아이들과 어울려 놀지 않고 공부만 했습니다. 아무리 멸시와 차별이 심하더라도 공부를 잘 하는 아이에게는 함부로 대하지 못하기 때문입니다.	p. 16
Yet, they all continued up the ranks; Dr. Woo, however, had to stay in the Japan's Ministry of Agriculture's examination room because the Japanese policy during the occupation of Korea was to fetter Koreans from achieving high status. Especially, Dr. Woo had not changed his Korean name to Japanese -a policy aimed to assimilate Koreans into the Japanese culture. And when he was raised, he was requested to change his name; Woo abdicated from his position at the Konosu examination room.	우장춘은 농사 시험장에서 박사 학위를 딴 후에도 그대로 기수로 머물러 있었습니다. 그가 일하고 있는 농림성 고노스 시험장의 각 분과 주임은 모두 기사직이었지만, 우장춘만이 기수였던 것입니다.우장춘은 유채 씨앗 연구실의 실장으로서 직함상으로는 고등관에 준하는 기사였는데도, 일본은 여전히 그를 승진시켜 주지 않았습니다. 당시 농업 실과 출신은 능력이 있어도 기사직에 오르지 못해진만, 우수한 박사가 되면 고등관 기사가 된 선례도 있었습니다. 더구나 우장춘은 고노스 농사 시험장에서 박사 학위를 딴 유일한 사람이었습니다. 그러나 후배들이 먼저 승진하는데도 우장춘은 만년 기수로 남아 있어야 했습니다. 농사 시험장에 있는 윗사람들은 우장춘을 외지로 내보내서라도 고등관 기사의 직잭을 주려고 했습니다. 하지만 그것마저도 일본 농림성의 거부로 이루어지지 않았습니다. 이것은 일본 정부의 조선인에 대한 차별 정책 때문이었습니다. 더구나 우장춘은 창씨 개명을 하지 않은, 주의해야 할 인물이었습니다. 당시 일본은 모든 조선인들에게 창씨 개명과 함께 일본의 황국 신민이 될 것을 강요하고 있었습니다. 따라서 창씨 개명을 하지 않은 우장춘에게는 이따금 특별 고등 검찰이 찾아오곤 했습니다. 그러나 그의 어머니는 특별 고등 검찰이 우장춘을 만나지 못하도록 자기 손에서 모든 일을 적당이 처리곤 했습니다. 농학 박사가 뒨 우장춘을 다루기가 곤란했던 윗사람들은, 그를 외지로 내보내 고등관 기사의 직책으로 승진시켜 주고자 했습니다.하지만 농림성의 반대로 이 게흭은 수포로 돌아갔습니다. ... 농림성 안에 이러한 반대의 의견이 강했기 때문이었습니다. 따라서 칭대오 농장장 취임 허가서는 나오시 않았습니다. 그러던 중, 우장춘은 두 달 만의 중국 출장에서 돌아온 뒤에야 겨우 기사로 승진이 되었습니다. 일본 정부는 그에게 이름을 일본 것으로 바꿀 것을 강요했습니다....그는 기사로 승진한 지 단 하루 만에 고노스 농사 시험장을 그만두었습니다.	p. 36-38
Around the end of the World War II, the Takiyi research farm ran a free educational program for students, and Dr. Woo was the lecturer for Korean students; as Japan began to lose the war, Koreans were forcibly drafted into the army.	그 중에는 조선의 젊은이들도 더러 있었습니다. 그 무렵 우장춘은 기숙사에서 농장의 조선 청년들을 상대로 강의를 했습니다. 여기에는 농학과 관련된 학문적인 것들도 있었지만, 어수선한 시국과 관련된 것들도 있었습니다. 일본은 전세가 불리해지자, 병역법을 고쳐 조선 청년들을 징용이라는 미명하에 강제로 전쟁터로 끌고 갔습니다. 그리고 동남 이시아나 만주 등의 전쟁터에 총알받이로 내세우거나 강제 노역 시켰습니다. 심지어 밭에서 일하고 있는 사람들을 마구 붙잡아가기도 했습니다.	p. 41 - 42
In Korea, farmers were left no seeds to plant because trade between Korea and Japan ceased, and the seeds were produced only in Japan. The policy was aiming to hinder Koreans from obtaining technological knowledge and to profit from selling the seeds to Koreans at a high price.	해방이 되어 우리 나라의 농업을 주도하고 있던 일본의 기술자들이 돌아가 버리자, 우리 나라에서는 종자를 구할 길조차 막막했습니다. 그 동안 일본은 식민지 정책에 따라 농작물의 종자를 한국에서는 전혀 생산하지 않고, 일본에서만 생산하여 한국 농민들에게 엄청난 값으로 팔아 왔습니다. 그러다 보니 해방이 되어 일본과의 교역이 끊기자 우리 나라의 농민들은 씨앗을 구할 수가 없었습니다. 따라서 우량 종자를 만들 수 있는 지식과 기술을 가진 사람이 절설히 필요했습니다.	p. 43

Besides, Woo Beom-seon's condoning of the assassination of the Empress Myeongseong and the Japanese assassins who stabbed her violently are different.
You replaced that Korea was liberated in 1948 with no reference. In light of your claim for "references", that is your shame. You also altered a similar content from House of Yi which should be fixed as well.--Caspian blue 14:07, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

--Caspian blue 14:07, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

medcab

Hey, Roux left the project so I'm picking up this case. Can each party tell me what the problem is (brevity and keeping the discussion to content is much appreciated) Xavexgoem (talk) 16:18, 15 November 2008 (UTC) bonus points if you don't mention other parties ;-)

I have no idea what we should proceed with the meditation because the person who accused me of rejecting his offer for meditation did not say anything about what is his claim for over 10 days after his bogus ANI report on Nov. 5th. This is not only abuse of Wiki system but also his tactic to look me bad to people who do not know what is really going on.--Caspian blue 16:42, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Noted. Are there any problems with content? Xavexgoem (talk) 17:19, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Please read the right above thread and diff. That is ABOUT everything about our DISPUTE of the article. And I provided sources to the contested content that Bukubku who falsely accused me of being a vandal "inserting racist contents" (actually Bukubku's blanking the contents) to AIV, ANI and WT:JA and several admins's talk page instead of my suggestion to him to open a discussion here and address his concern, has been very quite for over 10 days. He did not reject my insertion of the provided sources.. Therefore, here has nothing to resolve further, so I've demand Bukubku's alleged "dispute", but he did not even say anything about his claim after his ANI reports.--Caspian blue 17:35, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

In light of that, I'll need to be convinced by Bukubku that this isn't something an admin should take care of :-/ Xavexgoem (talk) 19:46, 15 November 2008 (UTC) I'm somewhat under the impression that it's not; I always give the benefit of the doubt :-)

I don't trust Caspian blue.

Fist of all, he wrote anti-Japanese articles without source. so I tagged fact and wrote sourced oppositinal article. But Caspian blue deleted again again.. Please, see Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive487#User: Caspian blue.

Then he provieded his new source. Then he also told WikiProject Japan's people like that I already provided him links that back up the mistreatment that Dr.Woo suffered and Bukubku ignored the "fact".Caspian blue's source link. However his new link didn't explain his articles. Please see Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive489#User: Caspian blue (second). Curiously, his link source has never been cited by him from now on.

After my accusation, he provided some sources.

1."History revew > Continued falsification on history by Japan (역사 재조명 > 일본의 계속되는 역사 왜곡), Sisa Magazine. 2004-04-19, http://www.sisamagazine.co.kr/news/quickViewArticleView.html?idxno=331. Retrieved on 27 October 2008." quote:이 외에도 사바틴의 보고서는 일본군이 치밀하게 만행을 저질렀으며 그 후 제물포 항에 정박해 있던 일본군함이 황급히 일본으로 떠났다고도 보고하고 있다. 그는 분명 일본 정부가 시해 사건에 개입한 증거라고 결론짓고 있다. 또한 사건의 주요 무력 기반이 일본군이었음도 한국사 연구자 야마베 겐타로에 의해 밝혀졌다. 따라서 남은 문제는 이 사건의 배후 구도가 어떠했는지를 규명하는 것이다. 그런데도 일본은 이 사건을 왜곡하는 데에만 치중하고 있다.

(Translation)Sabatin reported Japanese army finely carried out brutality, then anchored Japanese naval ship left toward Japan in a hurry. He concluded this was the evidence of Japanese government involvement in the assassination. Also Korean history researcher 야마베 겐타로 explained the main military force was based on Japanese army. Consequently, the problem which remains is bringing out the behind of the incident. However Japan is attaching importance to only distorting the incident.

Caspian blue wrote "it is apparent that the Japanese government attempted to divert the blame to the Koreans."

His coment is not sourced.

2."Baek Sukgi"

This source is very susupicious. There is apparent evidence.

Caspian blue wrote from this source like that "The policy was aiming to hinder Koreans from obtaining technological knowledge and to profit from selling the seeds to Koreans at a high price."

But Japan was ruled by the United States. Japan had no her own policy at the time.

So I propose his suspicious comments should be deleted.--Bukubku (talk) 14:46, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Official Gazette of Korea, Feb. 12, 1896 (韓国官報建陽元年二月十二日號外)1. Kyujanggak

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