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Milton

To create: (4-5)

• John Milton's poetic style
• + John Milton's reception history
• John Milton's literary influence
• + John Milton's religion
• + John Milton's politics
• John Milton's blindness
• + John Milton's early life
• John Milton's later life
• + John Milton's relationships

Poets to create: (0-4)

• + On the Morning of Christ's Nativity
• + The Passion (Milton)
• + Upon the Circumcision
• + Arcades (Milton)

Tracts to create: (6-11)

• + Milton's antiprelatical tracts
• + Of Prelatical Episcopacy (antiprelatical tract)
• + Animadversions (antiprelatical tract)
• + Apology for Smectymnuus (antiprelatical tract)
• + Doctrine and Discipline of Divorce (divorce tract)
• + Judgement of Martin Bucer Concerning Divorce (divorce tract)
• + Tetrachordon (divorce tract)
• + Colasterion (divorce tract)
• + A Treatise of Civil Power
• The Likeliest Means to Remove Hirelings from the Church
• + The Ready and Easy Way to Establish a Free Commonwealth
• Brief Notes Upon a Late Sermon
• Accedence Commenced Grammar
• Artis logicae plenior institutio Art of Logic (Milton)
• Of True Religion
• Epistolae Familiaries (Letter to a Friend)
• Prolusiones

To expand: (2-7)

• + L'Allegro 1.5k (expand to 10k)
• + Il Penseroso 1.5k (expand to 10k)
• Paradise Regained 4k (expand to 20k)
• + Samson Agonistes 3.5k (expand to 20k)
• + Of Reformation 1.5k (expand to 10k) (antiprelatical tract)
• + The Reason of Church-Government Urged against Prelaty .5k (expand to 5k) (antiprelatical tract)
• + The Tenure of Kings and Magistrates 1k (expand to 10k)
• + Eikonoklastes 2k (expand to 10k)
• + Defensio Secunda .5k (expand to 5k)
• History of Britain (John Milton) 3k (expand to 15k)

Created/expanded pages needing leads or needing copyedit work: (27 out of 39)

• ++ John Milton's early life
• ++ L'Allegro
• ++ Il Penseroso
• ++ On the Morning of Christ's Nativity
• ++ The Passion (Milton)
• ++ Upon the Circumcision
• ++ Arcades (Milton)
• ++ John Milton's religion
• ++ Milton's antiprelatical tracts
• ++ Of Prelatical Episcopacy (antiprelatical tract)
• ++ Animadversions (antiprelatical tract)
• ++ Apology for Smectymnuus (antiprelatical tract)
• ++ Of Reformation (antiprelatical tract)
• ++ The Reason of Church-Government Urged against Prelaty (antiprelatical tract)
• ++ John Milton's relationships
• ++ Doctrine and Discipline of Divorce (divorce tract)
• ++ Judgement of Martin Bucer Concerning Divorce (divorce tract)
• ++ Tetrachordon (divorce tract)
• ++ Colasterion (divorce tract)
• ++ John Milton's reception history
• ++ John Milton's politics
• ++ The Tenure of Kings and Magistrates
• ++ Eikonoklastes
• ++ Defensio Secunda
• ++ A Treatise of Civil Power
• ++ The Ready and Easy Way to Establish a Free Commonwealth
• + Samson Agonistes

Possible DYK sets:

Finished DYK sets: (26 pages)

• ... that the early poetry of John Milton, including Christ's Nativity, The Passion, Upon the Circumcision, Arcades, L'Allegro, and Il Penseroso, was not published until 1645? (7)

• ... that the religious views of John Milton can be found in his antiprelatical tracts: Of Reformation, Of Prelatical Episcopacy, Animadversions, Reason of Church-Government, and Apology for Smectymnuus? (7)

• ... that the failed marriage of John Milton inspired his divorce tracts: Doctrine and Discipline of Divorce, Judgement of Martin Bucer, Tetrachordon, and Colasterion? (5)

• ... that the political works of John Milton, including Tenure of Kings, Eikonoklastes, Defensio Secunda, Civil Power, and Ready and Easy Way, were controversial but still sold well? (7)

Will update and expand shortly. Ottava Rima (talk) 20:55, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Sign up

If anyone wants to help, post here. Ottava Rima (talk) 20:55, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Milton Bibliography

• Barker, Arthur. Milton and the Puritan Dilemma 1641-1660. Toronto: University of Toronto Press, 1942.
• Brisman, Leslie. Milton's Poetry of Choice and Its Romantic Heirs. Ithaca: Cornell University Press, 1973.
• Evans, Robert. Milton's Elisions. Gainsville: University of Flordia Press, 1966.
• Fichter, Andrew. Poets Historical: Dynastic Epic in the Renaissance. New Haven: Yale University Press, 1982.
• Giamatti, A. Barlett. The Earthly Paradise and the Renaissance Epic. New York: W W Norton & Company, 1966.
• Goslee, Nancy. Uriel's Eye. University, Alabama: University of Alabama Press, 1985.
• Gregory, Tobias. From Many Gods to One. Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 2006.
• Ingram, William and Swaim, Kathleen. A Concordance to Milton's English Poetry. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1972.
• Lares, Jameela. Milton and the Preaching Arts. Pittsburg: Duquesne University Press, 2001.
• Lawry, Jon. The Shadow of Heaven. Ithaca: Cornell University Press, 1968.
• McDill, Joseph. Milton and the Pattern of Calvinism. Nashville: The Joint University Libraries, 1942.
• Miller, Leo. John Milton among the Polygamophiles. New York: Loewenthal Press, 1974.
• Quint, David. Epic and Empire. Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1993.
• Revard, Stella. Milton and the Tangles of Neaera's Hair. Columbia: University of Missouri Press, 1997.
• Shawcross, John. John Milton: The Self and the World. Lexington: University Press of Kentucky, 1993.
• Sherbo, Arthur. English Poetic Diction From Chaucer to Wordsworth. East Lansing: Michigan State University Press, 1975.

• Todd, H. J. Some Account of the Life and Writings of John Milton. London, 1826.
• Stevens, David Harrison. Reference Guide to Milton: From 1800 to the Present Day. Chicago, The University of Chicago Press, 1930.

• Milton, John. The Complete Poetry and Essential Prose of John Milton. ed. William Kerrigan, John Rumrich, and Stephen Fallon. New York: The Modern Library, 2007.
• Milton, John. A Variorum Commentary on the Poems of John Milton 5 vols

Collections:

• A Companion to Milton. Ed. Thomas Corns. Oxford: Blackwell Publishing, 2003.
• Lewalski, Barbara. "Genre"
• Hale, John. "The Classical Literary Tradition"
• Schwartz, Regina. "Milton on the Bible"
• Parry, Graham. "Literary Baroque and Literary Neoclassicism"
• Guibbory, Achsah. "Milton and English Poetry"
• Corns, Thomas. "Milton's English"
• Brown, Cedric. "The Legacy of the Late Hacobean Period"
• Keeble, N. H. "Milton and Puritanism"
• Rumrich, John. "Radical Heterodoxy and Heresy"
• McColley, Diane. "Milton and Ecology"
• Hadfield, Andrew. "The English and Other People"
• Raymond, Joad. "The Literature of Controversy"
• Corns, Thomas. "'On the Morning of Christ's Nativity', 'Upon the Circumcision' and 'The Passion'"
• Comus, Lycidas (unnecessary)
• Wheeler, Elizabeth. "Early Political Prose"
• Patterson, Annabel. "Milton, Marriage and Divorce"
• Dzelzainis, Martin. "Republicanism"
• Knoppers, Laura. "Late Political Prose"
• Fallon, Stephen. "Paradise Lost in Intellectual History"
• Loewenstein, David. "The Radical Religious Politics of Paradise Lost"
• other stuff on PL unnecessary
• Leonard, John. "Self-Contradicting Puns in Paradise Lost"
• Achinstein, Sharon. "Samson Agonistes"
• Kean, Margaret. "Paradise Regained"
• Stevenson, Kay Gilliland. "Reading Milton, 1674-1800"
• Kitson, Peter. "Milton: The Romantics and After"
• Campbell, Gordon. "The Life Records"

• The Cambridge Companion to Milton. Ed. Dennis Danielson. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2003.
• Dobranski, Stephen. "Milton's social life"
• Comus and Lycidas (unnecessary)
• Burrow, Colin. "Poems 1645: the future poet"
• Dzelzainis, Martin. "Milton's politics"
• Corns, Thomas. "Milton's prose"
• Hall, R. F. "Milton's sonnests and his contemporaries"
• PL (unnecessary)
• Danielson, Dennis. "The Fall and Milton's theodicy"
• Carey, John. "Milton's Satan"
• McColley, Diane. "Milton and the sexes"
• Christopher, Georgia. "Milton and the reforming spirit"
• Radzinowicz, Mary Ann. "How Milton read the bible: the case ofParadise Regained
• Bennet, Joan. "Reading samson Agonistes"
• Von Maltzahn, Nicholas. "Milton's readers"
• Kerrigan, William. "Milton's place in intellectual history"
• Seimens, R. G. "Milton's work and life: selected studies and resources"

RCC comments

Ottava, Marskell left some comments on my talk page regarding RCC. Sandy, Karanacs and Malleus also commented. I responded to them but I was wondering what you thought about all this since you helped so much in the last peer review. Please let me know if you are in agreement with them - I disagreed. See - Sandy's post is just below it. NancyHeise 04:04, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Mushrooms redux

Sorry I didn't get back to this, but I had a rather lengthy and involved FAC wrapping up. Interesting journal, although it predates the clarification of the identity of the hallucinogenic fungus as Amanita muscaria. I am reading some stuff and anything else which turns up I am grateful. Mushrooms are elusive to get mateiral on... :) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:38, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Milton again

Good... I'm still working on them. In the meantime Johnbod has put up a page on John Baptist Medina, the earliest illustrator of Paradise Lost.. perhaps you could tie that into the hook as well. Lithoderm 00:10, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Profuse apologies

After starting the entire Milton thing, I feel terrible that I haven't been able to work on it. I have just gotten out of the hospital, though. I won't be able to edit Misplaced Pages much in the coming weeks. Thanks for your hard work on the Milton articles. I'll try to do some work on them when I can. Awadewit (talk) 03:28, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Reply

Couldn't you add a few words to the unexpanded sections of John Milton's politics and John Milton's religion? I'd be happier about promoting these ones if you did so. As a general rule, I don't promote articles that have unexpanded sections. Gatoclass (talk) 07:30, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Re your comments about John Milton's early life - you cannot unilaterally decide to relink an article you have submitted. Two reviewers have now looked at it and decided it is of questionable eligibility, please respect their views. I must ask you to reverse your edit. Regards, Gatoclass (talk) 08:23, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Seeing as how it was my entry, all guidelines point that it is against the rules to actually edit it in such a way. Seeing as how you are applying standards that are not part of the guidelines, I wonder how you think you have any ground to make such a demand. Ottava Rima (talk) 08:34, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Ottava, there is a simple principle at stake here, and one that every DYK contributor must abide by. That principle is that a user cannot approve his own hooks.

You may well feel that your article is eligible, but if you cannot persuade reviewers of that, I'm afraid you have no choice but to accept their decision. It's no different for you than it is for anyone else. If you won't reverse your edit, I will only have to do it myself, so I'd appreciate it if you saved me the trouble. Regards, Gatoclass (talk) 08:39, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

All right, fine, take it to AN or anywhere else if you like. However, I should warn you that if you are going to start making trouble for DYK reviewers, good luck finding someone to review any of your hooks in future, because reviewing submissions is a very time-consuming job that we do voluntarily as a service to contributors, it's not something we are obliged to do. So I suggest to you that you desist from this confrontational approach, for your own benefit. You can't expect to get it all your way all the time, it's not how this project works. Gatoclass (talk) 08:57, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Gatoclass is correct. DYK is a privilege, not a right. —Politizer /_contribs 09:05, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't know if you are still intent on going ahead with an AN thread Ottava, and I hope you won't as I can't see it being of benefit to anyone. However, if you are determined to go ahead with it, please let me know as I will obviously want to participate. Gatoclass (talk) 09:27, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

This is absolutely not something that should go to AN. There are almost always more DYK hooks proposed than there is room to run them, and some don't get run for various reasons. If you disagree with the reason, discuss on your talk pages; if you need more eyes, discuss on the DYK talk page. Then let it go. Karanacs (talk) 14:49, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Okay, look, the hook which contains that article will not be featured for at least 24 hours, so I will take another look at it tomorrow to make a definitive decision. Please don't get your hopes up however, because ATM I am not at all inclined to promote it. Gatoclass (talk) 15:55, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Okay, fine, you take it to AN then, because quite frankly, after spending half the freaking day trying to accomodate you and your damned hooks, I have finally run out of patience and will welcome the opportunity to expose your ill-mannered attempts to bully and coerce the very people who have been bending over backwards trying to assist you. Gatoclass (talk) 16:46, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Milton's poetic style

Is this one you're interested in -- John Milton's poetic style? I noticed it's up for speedy deletion and thought you might have had someone create it as a placeholder. Karanacs (talk) 20:02, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Someone spammed it into being. I have to expand Paradise Regained before I can think about creating something for that page, but as of right now, it seems that I would have to establish a complete page or it will get complaints. Mostly, the page is supposed to discuss Miltonic blank verse along with a little bit on Miltonic inversions. (The final hook is supposed to be - ... that Miltonic verse, a style which influenced centuries of poetry, is found within the final three poetic works of John Milton, Paradise Lost, Paradise Regained, and Samson Agonistes? ) Ottava Rima (talk) 20:14, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Note, it was supposed to include a note about blindness and Milton's later life, but I lost about 12 hours through delays and the rest. Ottava Rima (talk) 20:15, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

I'll delete it for now then. I just wanted to make sure I wouldn't be trashing something you intended to work on quite shortly. Karanacs (talk) 20:16, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

I am afraid I cannot come through on the Blake...

...and am very sorry for that. I have been ill since about midway through last week, and now there is late work that I must rush to make up before the end of the semester. I swear this isn't merely an excuse or a cop-out.. as I said, I convinced Johnbod to put up John Baptist Medina, so hopefully that will do in its place. My apologies, Lithoderm 20:31, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

There is always another day and another time to do that. Lets just coordinate the effort. Ottava Rima (talk) 20:36, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for John Milton's religion

On 8 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article John Milton's religion, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

DYKBot (talk) 22:16, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Milton's antiprelatical tracts

On 8 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Milton's antiprelatical tracts, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

DYKBot (talk) 22:16, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Of Reformation

On 8 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Of Reformation, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

DYKBot (talk) 22:16, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Animadversions

On 8 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Animadversions, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

DYKBot (talk) 22:16, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for The Reason of Church-Government Urged against Prelaty

On 8 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article The Reason of Church-Government Urged against Prelaty, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

DYKBot (talk) 22:17, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Apology for Smectymnuus

On 8 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Apology for Smectymnuus, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

DYKBot (talk) 22:17, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Note

This comment is entirely uncalled for, unwarranted as far as I can tell, and beneath anyone who holds this Project in high regard, serving no purpose other than to wound and escalate an unfortunate dispute. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:30, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't think it is uncalled for, because it is 100% true. Let Gimmetrow try and block Malleus or delete one of Malleus's pages. He will be blocked almost immediately. He was already blocked for edit warring, which rarely, rarely, happens to respected admin. Gimmetrow lost any clout with his recent behavior. If you want, we could push for a desysopping so he will never have the ability to test this out. However, I don't think that is necessary. Also, hold the project in high regards? I don't think harassing Malleus every chance he gets is really holding the project in high regards. Ottava Rima (talk) 23:38, 8 December 2008 (UTC)