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== Sockpuppetry claims ==

Hello, Ashley.

If you have serious concerns about an account being a sockpuppet and being used to edit around restrictions, please file a report at ]. Otherwise, merely making such claims in edit summaries and on talk pages without proof or follow up may be construed as a ] and ], both of which are just as forbidden as sockpuppetry, by the by. ] will follow up on properly filed cases, and I'd suggest you use that venue. Thanks. -- ] (]) 20:03, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

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    Not the place

    This is not the place to complain about writing for the enemy. Unless you have learned to write for the enemy...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 10:34, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

    JIDF

    Thank you JIDF for giving recognition of my work and showing why it is essential to continue editing. The JIDF web site list indicates by its title (List of Heavily Biased Anti-Israel Misplaced Pages Editors **UPDATED**) that JIDF is not looking for anti-Semitism but only trying to impose a strong pro-Israeli POV...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 13:02, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

    If you're spying on them, Ashley ol'chum, drop me a link from time to time. I just can't stir myself up to overcome a natural laziness in following that site. It bores me stiff, . . .not in the erotic sense.Nishidani (talk) 19:56, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
    Yeah, I noted itNishidani (talk) 07:34, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
    Have I been too obvious? .....Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 13:00, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
    What profile? Nishidani (talk) 19:36, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

    JIDF links to Glen Reinsford run site

    BLP Warning

    Misplaced Pages is not the place to post derogatory, unsourced remarks about living people, as you did here. Our biography of living persons policy applies to every page not just articles. Jehochman 14:44, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

    Source, now I can say that appletree and JIDF are nincompoops and extremists with a fixation on a "Global Islamic conspiracy theory"...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 17:48, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

    second source ...Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung article Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 17:52, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

    Ashley, it's too boring. They are extremists. The person and the page link to hate sites and to Meir Kahane, who was an anti-Arab racist. But the net's full of this bullshit, and we do well just to watch out that Misplaced Pages doesn't get dragged down to that level. Some people feel complimented by injurious insults, in that it implies recognition. That's what most of these stupid boards are about. Don't recognize them. Mokusatsu. Nishidani (talk) 17:59, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
    Good advice. See also WP:DENY. Stick to discussing article content, and avoid excessively strident rhetoric. Extremists will discredit themselves. Jehochman 18:10, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
    the advise is crud. That attitude has been used in Israel, the effect has been that Israeli terrorists and extremists have a large say in Israel's governmental policies....Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 01:48, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

    User:NSH001

    Just caught the ratbag fiddling around on-line. He's hyper-secretive, a Titus Oats version of the Invisible Man, or of Sherlock Holmes' older brother. But if you want suggestions on the technical side of your user page, he's the man, if you can nab him before he takes off for another marathon (Forrest Gump with grey matter).Nishidani (talk) 20:48, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

    Tee, hee, Ashley, just ignore Nishidani's humorous exaggerations about me. But as a quick response to your questions:

    • always happy to assist anybody
    • may not do so immediately - I'm supposed to be on a wikibreak, but can't seem to stay away
    • there is a lovely young lady called Phaedriel (whom I'm in wikilust with ) who will design you a user page if you ask her nicely. I don't like the small type she uses, but apart from that, she's brilliant. I notice she hasn't edited since 28 September.
    • failing that, plagiarise someone else's page you like
    • see WP:UBX for userboxes you can put on your page
    • best to learn, I think, by doing things in small increments (not that different from the way articles are written, really)
    • hope this helps, as a start anyway

    --NSH001 (talk) 21:53, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

    Oops, just noticed Phaediel hasn't been around since 28 September 2007 (I glanced too quickly, thought it was 2008)
    --NSH001 (talk) 22:01, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

    Re things not mentioned, hebron

    St.Luke's hospital there was founded originally as part of a Scottish mission to convert both Jews and Mohammedans, and was run from 1893 onwards by a quixotic figure, for some decades. His life, and apparently a lot of detail about Hebron, can be found in an otherwise rare book that however should be accessible if the Brits have an inter-library loan service. I'm referring to William Ewing, Paterson of Hebron, "the Hakim": Missionary Life in the Mountain of Judah, J. Clarke, 1930. I've a fair bit of data on Paterson, but only from secondary sources like Michael Marten's Attempting to Bring the Gospel Home: Scottish Missions to Palestine, 1839-1917, I.B.Tauris, 2006 pp.99-115 (two photos). Missionary Scottish Pat(t)ersons get around: there was one in my favourite country, Tibet. Nishidani (talk) 14:27, 21 October 2008 (UTC)


    Re books

    Don't want to burden you with my own interest, A. Just correcting a wee mispelling on your bibliopage. But have you ever read anything by Raul Hilberg? I think he is one of the greatest historians, ranking up there with Gibbon, Thucydides, Tacitus, etc. If you ever find a copy of his 'Destruction of the European Jews', first or the bigger expanded editions, it's worth buying, and reading very slowly. A lot of detail, but it is the quality and temper of the analytic mind one admires, and can learn much from. Nishidani (talk) 10:35, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

    Ever dependable. Fanks, guv. Surprised Sheikh Jarrah =French Hill, the former often mentioned in municipal reports, the laterr wiki page no clear mention of it. Still, for starters. . .Nishidani (talk) 16:58, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
    Misplaced Pages:Redirects for discussion looks like it might help. Post a note there? Nishidani (talk) 18:47, 27 October 2008 (UTC)



    Burqin

    Punishing a Nation: Human Rights Violations During the Palestinian Uprising, December 1987-December 1988 : a Report By Law in the Service of Man (Organization : Rām Allāh), Al Haq Staff Law In The Service Of Man Published by South End Press, 1990 ISBN 0896083780 p256

    Misnamed Centre for Human Dignity

    Independent

    Ha'aretz


    Banias

    The Book of Enoch indicates that the sanctity of the area was well established. The heterodoxy of the northern kingdom of Israel is well atested.

    The East Ghor canal project was part of a unified plan, suggested by minister Lahoud of Lebanon, for the irrigation of 10,000 ha in Jordan.


    see also

    Water politics in the Middle East

    fns

    1. Book of Enoch CP:B, ISOTLPp 72
    2. Haddadin, Munther J. (2006) Water Resources in Jordan: Evolving Policies for Development, the Environment, and Conflict Resolution Resources for the Future, ISBN 1933115327 p 245

    suggested further reading on water issues

    Water for the Future: The West Bank and Gaza Strip, Israel, and Jordan By U.S. National Academy of Sciences, Inc NetLibrary, Jamʻīyah al-ʻIlmīyah al-Malakīyah, Committee on Sustainable Water Supplies for the Middle East, National Research Council, National Academy of Sciences (U.S.) Published by National Academies Press, 1999 ISBN 030906421X

    Allan John Anthony, (2001) The Middle East Water Question: Hydropolitics and the Global Economy I.B.Tauris, ISBN 1860648134

    Amery, Hussein A. and Wolf, Aaron T. (2000) Water in the Middle East: A Geography of Peace University of Texas Press, ISBN 029270495X

    Stick to it

    back to this article, the Guardian article does not claim any of the things it is used for as a reference. If you would like to use it, please stick to what it actually says. NoCal100 (talk) 22:55, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

    Why should anyone stick to any verbatim reporting when it is abundantly clear that you dont...

    From Lucy Dean (2003) The Middle East and North Africa 2004 Taylor & Francis Group, Routledge, ISBN 1857431847,

    Nevertheless appeared to have reined in its suicide bombers, giving its tacit support to its fragile cease-fire and stating that it would not unleash more suicide bombers on Israel as long as Israeli troops did not kill Palestinian civilians. However in early July both Islamic Jahad and Hamas formally declared an end to the truce.

    turned into:- Hamas had appeared to have reined in its suicide bombers, while publicly giving conflicting messages as to its support of the truce.

    plus of course your ref directly backs up the Guardian article on revenge attacks for Israeli forces slaughtering Palestinians. The article you deleted..Nocal...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 00:07, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


    Oh, but it does. eg Judaism, by Dan Cohn-Sherbok: "In consequence, the Jewish people was able to enter into communion with God" . Or The Body of Faith, by Michael Wyschogrod: "Traditionally, the Jewish peoiple was spoken of as Knesses Israel, the 'Assembly of Israel'".. The term is even used in another book title, When the Jewish People Was Young by Mordecaii Aoloff. This is the correct usage, and I need no lessons in writing grammatical English, thank you. RolandR (talk) 19:41, 2 November 2008 (UTC)


    Books

    Schwarz, Yehoseph (1850) A Descriptive Geography and Brief Historical Sketch of Palestine Translated by Isaac Leeser A. Hart,

    Geog incorrect, biblical refs incorrect, Crusaders period called Belinas.

    van de Velde, Charles William Meredith (1854) Narrative of a Journey Through Syria and Palestine in 1851 and 1852 W. Blackwood and sons, p 425

    Insignificant village subject to the Emir of Hasbeiya with the ruins of Caesarea Philippi being the only thing of any interest to European travellers, with the village houses clustered around the spring. Crusader period Belenas.

    Kartic system of Banias

    Frankish Rural Settlement in the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem By Ronnie Ellenblum Published by Cambridge University Press, 2003 ISBN 0521521874 p 142 Bethgibelin


    Schwartz

    Parting pignus amicitiae as token of great work at Banias. See Rabbi Joseph Schwartz, A Descriptive Geography and brief Historical Sketch of Palestine, tr Isaac Leeser, A.Hart, Philadelphia,p.48,60f. on Banias and associations in Jewish lore. (downloadable copy from Huldra's bibliopage I think, or generally on net.13 mega)Nishidani (talk) 15:54, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

    Unfortunately he gets the history incorrect...Identifies Banias with Dan. But he does clear up the reason why the crusaders called it Belias. (due the incorrect Ba'al association)...His geography shows he didn't actually visit, his positioning of Paneas is way off and the wrong side of the river...how to include a source that is 90% incorrect?..It's why there is still the willingness to associate Banias and Dan continues against Eusebius, E Robinson and archaeological evidence...(which was then continued in the original article before I removed it)...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 17:01, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

    A good many sources, even modern, get things wrong, and there is much to learn from this. That is why I described it as 'lore'. I think he spent 16 years there, but it goes to show (a) how difficult travelling was (b) how much book study prevailed over concrete knowledge (c) how a biblically-focused mind struggles to work out a topographical imbrication between the transmitted mythogeography of the OT and what stray notices by hearsay, inquiry or perhaps some travel allowed him to gather. I often get as much information from poor sources as I do from good ones,(rereading Marco Polo, Carpino and Mandeville at the moment) but that's a private vice. CheersNishidani (talk) 17:11, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

    Unforced errors show the value that a writer places on previous sources....Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 17:18, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


    Jayjg

    a) Jayjg bad faith edits Revision as of 03:42, 2 November 2008 (edit) (undo) (wrong cat, Zionist not Jewish) here

    removes category Jewish terrorism and fails to replace with category Zionist terrorism

    Second Intifada

    Irrelevant factoid, no citation.

    The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) codenamed the events (prior to their outbreak) אירועי גאות ושפל ("Ebb and Tide events"). This name remained an internal codename used by the Israeli Security Forces, but among Israelis at large, the Intifada is generally referred to as al-Aqsa Intifada.

    Yet removed 1,300,000 bullets fired cited in ha'aretz as factoid.

    Palestinian tactics have ranged from carrying out mass protests and general strikes, similar to the First Intifada, to armed attacks on civilians and security forces, suicide bombing attacks, and firing Qassam rockets into Israeli residential areas. Israeli tactics have consisted of creating checkpoints, enforcing strict curfews in certain areas, riot control (sometimes shooting stone throwers along with better-armed rioters), returning fire, mounting incursions, constructing the West Bank barrier, demolishing houses, destroying shops without permits, conducting arrests, and assassinating militant and political leaders (sometimes also causing civilian casualties).

    Eh the civilians killed alongside the target is called collateral damage.

    b) Jayjg bad faith edits here

    bad Faith Edits by Nudve

    here What has the Hamas charter got to do with a line established in 1949?

    check user of MINNESOTA using Comcast Cable Communications Holdings server

    Typical NoCal100 behaviour pattern.

    Cats to add to all jayjg bad faith edits;

    1. Category:Terrorism in the British Mandate of Palestine
    2. Category:Zionist Terrorism
    3. Category:Jewish Terrorism
    4. Category:Victims of Zionist Terrorism
    5. Category:Irgun
    6. Category:Stern Gang

    Kayseri

    Caesarea Philippi should not be confused with Caesarea Maritima, on the Mediterranean, (now Caesarea in Israel) or with Caesarea Mazaca in Cappadocia.

    needs top piece


    Greater Israel

    Gorenberg, Gershom (2006) Occupied Territories: The Untold Story of Israel's Settlements I.B.Tauris, ISBN 1845114302 p 15

    Kfar Etzion

    Gorenberg, Gershom (2006) Occupied Territories: The Untold Story of Israel's Settlements I.B.Tauris, ISBN 1845114302 p 103 The last defenders blew themselves up.

    November 2008

    BT Market share

    Oldham coverage Central Manchester, greater Manchester, Stoke-on-Trent, Oldham, Leeds, Preston Basically the entire NW England.

    Although now my IP is from Southport (even further away) Liverpool, Blackpool (due to attack on e-mail provider)

    Odd...

    Hi Ashley Kennedy3. I hope you are doing alright despite the weirdness above. I never have understood how the interpretation of Checkuser results work, but based on what you are saying, it seems you got dragged into a very tangly net. Is there anything I might be able to do to help? Tiamut 16:15, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

    Not really Tiamut. During my week off for bad behaviour I went looking for like minded activists to aid a pro-Palestinian fight back. 1 took a few pieces off my talk page and used it. As Charles O'Sulivan and I share a ISP, the court decided he was a meat puppet. My own fault for recruiting someone from the north of England. I wouldn't worry too much I'm writing articles for inclusion as soon as the block comes off.

    Thanks for looking in.

    What's happened to nishidani? Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 18:58, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

    Just a note to say I miss your contributions! And I hope you liked the picture at Mamre ..I haven´t really looked much into the issue, but Tristram seem to operate with two different places? See . And I agree with some others here: the difference between your treatment and, say, the Einsteindonut socking is ... staggering. Hold on there, take care. Regards, Huldra (talk) 10:22, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

    Thanks for the note...I'm not really interested in what happened to ESD...I am interested in getting back to work as I have quite a mass of articles prepared to drop in and extensions for others. Also you'll see the coords are building up.Ashley kennedy3 (talk)

    For al Ameer son

    Although by the 1940s several women’s organisations had come into being in Jerusalem, my mother was never attracted to join. Even when friends like Trab Abdul-Hadi were involved. This woman, whom I was to meet living in exile in Cairo many years later had been one of the founders of the Women’s organisation, the Palestine Arab Women’s Congress. This was established in the late 1920s and was political in nature, a remarkable phenomenon for the conservative Arab society of that time.

    The women who joined Tarab Abdul-hadi in setting it up came from those very notable Jerusalem families with whom my mother mixed, but she found their overt political activism not to her liking.

    Karmi Ghada (2002) In Search of Fatima: A Palestinian Story Verso, ISBN 1859846947 p 31

    looks like Jerusalem.

    also:- Mahdī ʻAbd al-Hādī (1997) Palestine: Documents by PASSIA, Page 370

    April 15: Arab women march to holy sites to protest Lord Allenby's visit. Tarab Abdul Hadi speaks in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre and ...

    Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 22:28, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

    adding coordinates

    I realize you're taking a little wikibreak right now, but when you get back I wanted to see if you would be able to help find coordinates for Category:West Bank articles missing geocoordinate data as part of Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Geographical coordinates. I've done almost everything in that category, but there are still 24 locations left that I just can't find coordinates for. You seem to know the area better than I so I was hoping you could help out. Thanks in advance. --Bachrach44 (talk) 14:10, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

    Ramallah city directory

    Put the 24 up here and I'd be very pleased to check them out.

    wiki break, very droll..I like it..Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 17:34, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

    Here they are - thanks again.

    to do

    so much for 24

    Their website says Al-Bireh-Ramallah - I don't know anything more than that. Beitunia original, later one in al-Bireh? having fun at school

    Another American School is Al Jenan School in Beitunia, near Ramallah. The school was built by two Palestinian Americans who retumed to Palestine.

    The Middle East By Library Information and Research Service

    Published by Library Information and Research Service., 1998 Item notes: v.21B 1998 p 146

    The 3,000 Arabs remaining in the city, circa 8.5% of the total urban population of 268,000 previously living in Haifa, balderdash! from the quoted reference 3,500 of the original Palestinian population of 70,000 (although in 1948 other pop estimates give 65,000 Palestinian and 70,000 Jewish) is 2.6% of the total pop of haifa. The pop as now is 8.5% Palestinian out of 268,000 (total for Haifa) or 22,750 ref given in article

    District of Acre
    Khan Yunis
    • al-Fukhari 31° 17’ 42.43’’ N 34° 20’ 04.41’’ E
    • Qa' al-Kharaba 31° 18’ 35.90’’ N 34° 18’ 18.87’’ E
    • Qa' al-Qurein 31° 18’ 35.61’’ N 34° 19’ 10.65’’ E
    • Qizan an-Najjar 31° 19’ 20.96’’ N 34° 17’ 31.92’’ E
    • Umm Kameil 31° 17’ 58.42’’ N 34° 18’ 06.24’’ E
    • Umm al-Kilab 31° 17’ 46.98’’ N 34° 17’ 32.12’’ E
    Rafah
    Gaza
    • al-Jondi al-Majhool (unknown soldiers garden Gaza, Omar al-Mukhtar street. 31° 31’ 09.13’’ N 34 26’ 41.14’’ E
    • Madinat al-Awda 31° 32’ 46.14’’ N 34° 27’ 49.45’’ E
    • Juhor ad-Dik 31° 27’ 13.94’’ N 34° 25’ 43.05’’ E
    • Al-Mughraqa 31° 28’ 03.00’’ N 34° 24’ 35.00’’ E
    North Gaza Governorate
    Deir al-Balah
    • AAs 31° 31’ 25.54’’ N 35° 06’ 29.48’’ E
    • SYH 31° 31’ 44.38’’ N 35° 05’ 57.58’’ E
    --Bachrach44 (talk) 18:48, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
    • MamreDenys Pringle, Peter E. Leach(1993) The Churches of the Crusader Kingdom of Jerusalem: A Corpus Cambridge University Press, ISBN 0521390370 p 203 reference to the church being dedicated to Holy Trinity.
    • Solomon's pools 31° 41' 20.27 N 35° 10' 11.63 E (should be removed from Solomon article and come under a separate article, as at the end of the day Solomon's pools has absolutely nothing to do with Solomon). I'll do an article on it when I get out of prison.
    • Cypros Fortress 31° 50' 42.26’’ N 35° 25' 35.42’’ E (31.8451 N 35.4265 E) Ancient Jewish Art and Archaeology in the Land of Israel By Rachel Hachlili Published by Brill Archive, 1988 ISBN 9004081151 p 45

    The Cambridge History of Judaism By W D Davies, Louis Finkelstein, William Horbury, John Sturdy, Steven T Katz Published by Cambridge University Press, 2006 ISBN 0521243777 p 24

    (That's the style, Ashley, no whingeing yet responsive to requests for assistance for content while under sanction. In the Saxophonemn-Einsteindonut case, one month for a first offence of sockpuppetry was cut back very rapidly by administrative review, and yet neither of them contributed to Wiki as you have. There is no coherence in this. Still, 'chin up, and sit it out'. Whether sockpuppetry was involved or not, the appearance of the same existed, and that was the error. Admins have to judge on appearances as often as not. When they do, one should, as you have done, just take the rap. Never communicate to anyone off-line re edits. To do so is to play the game so evidently practiced by many. Cheers, pal.Nishidani (talk) 22:03, 17 November 2008 (UTC))

    These were on my list of to do anyway...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 23:55, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

    I've just had a thought is this meatpuppetry supplying coords to evade a block?...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 09:22, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

    Thanks for all your work. I've added most of them and will get to the rest later. As for meatpuppetry, I don't think this qualifies because:

    • I asked you for help, not the other way around, so it would be hard to say you were using me. ( Oh no! with Tulkarm Governorate being centred on Umm Fahm I just claimed half of Galilee for the PA)
    • Neither of us qualifies as a "new user"
    • Most importantly, I'm not trying to influence any process and we're not working in concert to try and prove a point of influence a vote - we're just adding coordinates to articles. --Bachrach44 (talk) 20:12, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

    From your comment on wiki break I anticipated humour appreciation, I tend to use irony quite a bit...We are trying to influence a process and we are working in concert, we are trying to improve wiki articles (if we're not then we shouldn't be here)...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 23:54, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

    Umm Tuba

    • Sur Baher (31° 44’ 07.28’’ N 35° 13’ 56.48’’ E) see Umm Tuba (31° 43’ 30.94’’ N 35° 14’ 02.15’’ E) Jerusalem Post 14 September, 2006 A basic right By Ksenia Svetlova

    NY times village code Maan news

    Nu’man 31° 43’ 01.82’’ N 35° 14’ 33.02’’ E

    Following is a brief list of the main historical sites identified in the Har Homa (Abu Ghnaim) area (Green, 1995):

    1. Cathisma (Bir Qadismu): Means "the place of sitting", located on the third milestone from Jerusalem to Bethlehem. The name refers to the belief that Mary dismounted precisely here before giving birth to Jesus. It was the site of an octagonal church and monastery said to have been built in the fifth century by a wealthy woman, who dedicated it to Saint Mary.

    2. Khirbet Abu Ghnaim (St.Paul's Hill): Property of the Franciscans, who excavated it under V. Cordo in 1952. Near the village of Umm Tuba which in the Byzantine time was called Metopa. The site is also identified with the Monastery of Marinus named after Photinus in the fifth century.

    3. Khirbet Luqa (Biyar Luqa; Umm Tuba): Excavated by V. Corbo for the Franciscans in 1954. Build by Marinus in Metopa, Byzantine Umm Tuba.

    4. Bir El Qutt: A Georgian monastery of the sixth century dedicated to St. Theodore the Martyr. The Georgians had a long history in Palestine, though their churches eventually came under the Greek Orthodox Patriarch. Excavated by Corbo for the Franciscans in 1952-3.

    5. Siyar El-Ghunam (Beit Sahour): Traditional site of the Shepherd's Field, east of Bethlehem. Excavated by C. Guarmani 1934. In 1951-2, V. Corbo cleared the entire complexion on behalf of the Franciscans.

    Hadashot Arkheologiyot Excavations and Surveys in Israel.

    Ceedjee

    It is a great pleasure to see that Ceedjee is back.


    Terrorism

    Categories: Israeli media | Palestinian media | Political organizations based in Palestine | Media analysis organizations | Arab world media | Iranian media | Turkish media | Middle East | Terrorism | Women's rights in the Middle East | Human rights in Arab League member countries | American Middle Eastern studies | Non-profit organizations |Non-governmental organizations involved in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict | United States-Middle Eastern relations | Israel–United States relations


    • Category:Victims of Jewish Terrorism +
    • Category:Irgun members !
    • Category:Israeli activists

    Please reconsider the symbol you are using for Jewish Terrorism.--Peter cohen (talk) 00:55, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

    Victims of Jewish terrorism, I don't think there was any suggestion of money being involved. it was merely a symbol that to me, as British and to wiki coding, that had no meaning. It took me some time to work out why you may have found it offensive, now I hope you dont think that the plus sign is a Christian cross.Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 01:08, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

    Thanks for changing this. I'm British too but I have an ethnicity that has suffered 2000 years of institutionalised Christian discrimination which for centuries restricted us to a small number of professions including, significantly, money-lending.--Peter cohen (talk) 11:20, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

    Sorry if I inadvertently cause offence. The sign is/was used in coding for a 'string' (I used to as a self prompt for tying them together).Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 11:27, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

    What Price Israel?: 1953 - 2003 By Alfred M. Lilienthal Published by Buy Books on the web, 2004 ISBN 0741419270 p 81 King David Hotel. 30 minute warning. Begin claim.


    Oh and peter 2000 years a wild exaggeration.

    Oh my mistake the Theodosian Code which restricted Jews so that the only public office they could hold was that of tax collector came into effect in 404. So it dates back 1604 years.--Peter cohen (talk) 18:56, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

    And that affected precisely how many Jews of the total world Jewry and what other religious factions were being persecuted at the time?

    Proposals for a Palestinian state

    For the removal of Israelophile Myth, legends and general BS.

    82% of the Yishuv were townies.

    Chapter 3 Population

    Census of 1922.The last census was taken in 1922, and showed the total population as being 757,182, of whom 590,890 were Mohammedans, 83,794 Jews and 82,498 Christians and others. The division between the town and agricultural population was as follows :

    Town areas Mohammedans 139,074 Jews 68,622 Christians and others 56,621 Rural areas: Mohammedans 451,816 Jews 15,172 Christians and others 25,877

    plus the Bedu population should also be added:

    Distribution of population.In this estimate the Bedu population has been taken at the same figure as in 1922. The local distribution of this population is as follows :

    Urban population 340,962 Rural population 501,968 Tribal population 103,331

    Hope Simpson report Chapter 3 pages 24 to 29 Hope Simpson report

    "Members of the fourth Aliyah which commenced in 1924 chose largely to live in the towns."..."The settlement movement was practically deadlocked and was not revived until the early 1930s." Anita Shapira (1984) Berl: The Biography of a Socialist Zionist, Berl Katznelson, 1887-1944 CUP Archive, ISBN 0521256186 p 154 & p 156

    Jewish urban population 1948 Jerusalem 1948 80,000 Tel Aviv 1948 200,000 Haifa 1948 70,000 Tiberias 1948 6,000 Safed 1948 1,700 Netanya 1948 11,600 Peta Tikva 1948 22,000.

    Benvenisti, Meron (2002) Sacred Landscape: The Buried History of the Holy Land Since 1948 Translated by Maxine Kaufman-Lacusta University of California Press, ISBN 0520234227 p 180

    1948 83.3% of Israelis were townies.

    ergo sum est the myth of the Israeli being a farmer/pioneer is dispelled.

    al Ameer son check

    Someone tell Al Ameer son to check the co-ords section above for putting co-ords into Nabi Rubin, Hittin.Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 21:53, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

    Did it. Hope I´m not blocked for editing by proxy for blocked user! ;-D Take care, Huldra (talk) 10:28, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

    You could've done them all while you were there..Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 13:14, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

    Hey, I´m working at it! Actually my priority now is to add some stuff from books I have ...especially I should really be working on Cinema of Palestine, as I have the two books on that on loan from out-of town-libraries ...until early next month...but Al Ameer son and Tiamut have nominated these other articles for DYK-status...and you have to do that within a week of creating/expanding them..which leaves me a bit stressed! ...and therefore I only add the coords for the nominated articles, ok? (Please don´t get blocked in the future, we NEED you!) Huldra (talk) 13:23, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

    5 Days for DYK nom. (what's wrong with working at nights you can sleep later, unless another emergency comes up that is). You've got 2 eyes so read 2 books, 2 hands so type on 2 keyboards, 2 feet useful for turning pages. Excuses excuses don't give me excuses it's results that count.....:-)...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 13:58, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

    LOL! yes, and I have thought of creating two or three sock-puppets so they could do the work, in parallell with me...;-P Huldra (talk) 14:03, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

    That's more like it get to it...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 14:21, 21 November 2008 (UTC)


    Bethlehem

    Historical map.

    Mamre Picture

    Many thanks Huldra, Pictures always help (I forgot to thank you for it earlier)..Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 00:12, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

    Coastal road raid

    Force called Deir yassin A War of Words: Political Violence and Public Debate in Israel By Gerald Cromer Published by Routledge, 2004 ISBN 0714656313 p 30

    relevance of Israeli documentation

    Israeli and Palestinian Narratives of Conflict: History's Double Helix By Robert I. Rotberg Published by Indiana University Press, 2006 ISBN 0253218578 p 99

    Deir Yassin

    'Only the demented inhabit the alleys of Deir Yassin.The psychotic and the schizophrenic, the paranoid and the clinically depressed, are now the owners of Deir Yassin' Anton La Guardia (2002) War Without End: Israelis, Palestinians, and the Struggle for a Promised Land Thomas Dunne Books, ISBN 0312276699 p 195

    revenge.Bregman Ahron (2002) Israel's Wars: A History Since 1947 Routledge, ISBN 0415287162, p 20

    The Road to Jerusalem: Glubb Pasha, Palestine and the Jews By Benny Morris Published by I.B.Tauris, 2003 ISBN 1860649890 p 264 footnote 327

    Israel and the American National Interest: A Critical Examination By Cheryl A. Rubenberg Published by University of Illinois Press, 1989 ISBN 0252060741 p 46. 2 Diff versions of Begin's Revolt. 1951 revolt no mention of 'Arab propaganda' 1970s version stops mentioning the 'good' Israel received and inserted 'Arab propaganda in place.

    In Search of Fatima: A Palestinian Story By Ghada Karmi Published by Verso, 2004 ISBN 1859845614 p 125

    Nasr, Kameel B. (1997) Arab and Israeli Terrorism: The Causes and Effects of Political Violence, 1936-1993 McFarland, ISBN 0786402806 p 22

    Greetings

    Sorry to learn about your trouble, Ashley. This does seem a travesty to me, and almost like double standards. But, as we all know, Misplaced Pages is not abiout truth, but verifiability! Hope to see you back and editing properly soon. RolandR (talk) 12:05, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

    no trouble, just marking time and writing articles to drop into place later...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 12:41, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

    Jerusalem Municipality methods of Land expropriation

    Jerusalem Municipality methods of Land expropriation and zoning have been used to maintain a Jewish Jerusalem by expropriating Palestinian land while excluding the Palestinian West Bank Population of the surrounding Palestinian villages.

    Israel has expropriated and annexed land merely to advantage Jewish settlers from Israel, and used a great variety of legal or quasi-legal means to disguise the illegitimacy of its policies. One method used is when substantial areas of land surrounding a Palestinian village are expropriated by the Israeli authorities, for the establishment of a military zone. The Palestinian village at this time being zoned as ‘Green’. Palestinian residents are not accorded building permits under the pretext of being located in a “Green Zone” or because they do not hold Jerusalem I.D. The military zone is then transferred to a Jewish settlement for which a development plan is then produced. Thus Jewish Israeli settlements encroach on areas that had not been annexed to the Jerusalem municipality in a method that is quasi legal in Israel. This method has been used on al-Nu’man, Umm Tuba, Sur Baher Beit Sahour (land expropriated from the 4 preceding villages for the expansion of Har Homa ), Shuafat. Nusseibeh

    Harassment of Palestinian residents. Palestinian Arab East Jerusalem received five percent of the municipal budget. Expropriation of church land on the Mount of Olives. Kafr 'Aqab Zoning to restrict growth. Shaufat where the Jerusalem Municipal authority collect taxes but provide the bare minimum of services, especially when compared to the Jewish settlements of Ma'ale Adumim, the UNRWA and the Palestinian National Authority’s Department of Palestinian Refugee Affairs has supplied services normally provided by a municipal authority (repairs to water and sewage systems, electrical line, roads, nursery schools and other youth facilities). The Israeli authorities has implemented a series of complex strategies coupling confiscation and expropriation of Palestinian land. In September 1995 the Jerusalem Municipality announced its intention to expropriate 380 dunums of Palestinian land from the Jerusalem suburbs of Shufat. A lack of investment in the town of Shaufat. In order to contain any possible expansion of 'Anata, the Israeli authorities expropriated some 20,000 dunams from Anata in order to build the West Bank settlements of Alon, Kfar Adumim, Almon and Ma'ale Adumim which, together with their service roads and the Anatot military base, completely circumscribe Anata, which is isolated from its remaining agricultural lands.

    see also

    Karmi Ghada (1997) Jerusalem Today: What Future for the Peace Process? Ithaca Press, ISBN 0863722261

    Bibliography

    • Benvenisti, Meron (2007) Son of the Cypresses: Memories, Reflections, and Regrets from a Political Life Translated by Maxine Kaufman-Lacusta University of California Press, ISBN 0520238257
    • Amir S. Cheshin, Bill Hutman, AVI Melamed (2001) Separate and Unequal: The Inside Story of Israeli Rule in East Jerusalem Harvard University Press, ISBN 0674005538
    • Cohen, Shaul Ephraim (1993) The Politics of Planting: Israeli-Palestinian Competition for Control of Land in the Jerusalem Periphery University of Chicago Press, ISBN 0226112764
    • Holzman-Gazit, Yifat (2007) Land Expropriation in Israel: Law, Culture and Society Ashgate Publishing, Ltd., ISBN 0754625435
    • Ruth Lapidoth, Ruth Eschelbacher Lapidoth, Moshe Hirsch (1994) The Jerusalem Question and Its Resolution: Selected Documents Martinus Nijhoff Publishers, ISBN 0792328930
    • Talhami, Ghada Hashem (2003) Palestinian Refugees: Pawns to Political Actors Nova Publishers, ISBN 1590336496


    Badd Giacaman Museum

    Focus



    Second Intifada, dead links

    alive again

    PLO

    After the appointment of Ariel Sharon to the post of Minister of defence in 1981, the Israeli government policy of allowing political growth to occur in the occupied West Bank and Gaza strip changed. The Israeli government tried, unsuccessfully, to dictate terms of political growth by replacing local pro-PLO leaders with an Israeli civil administration.

    War of Independence

    originally termed 'War of Liberation'

    In a play on words, in Hebrew "War of Independence" ("Milhemet Atzmaut") is sometimes referred to as "War of Bones" ("Milhemet Atzamot"). RolandR (talk) 09:35, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

    It was also originally seen as a liberation from British colonialism....It was latter termed as War of Independence....The war of liberation started in 1945 with the Irgun declaration of war....Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 03:40, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

    Shalit

    On June 29, 2006, four days after Shalit was kidnapped, Israel arrested dozens of Hamas members throughout the West Bank and East Jerusalem, including eight ministers in the Hamas government and some 20 Hamas parliamentarians. Others were arrested in the following weeks.

    Though Israel never said so officially, it was clear that this was retaliation for Shalit's abduction, and that the detainees were meant to serve as bargaining chips for his release. At the time, senior legal and defense officials said the arrests "spearheaded" efforts to get Shalit back.

    Children and

    Israeli, Raphael (2002) Jerusalem Divided: The Armistice Regime, 1947-1967 Routledge, ISBN 0714652660 p 5

    Palestinian vehicle licensing

    IMEMC

    Palestine Polytechnic University (PPU) Vehicle Testing Centre is the only accredited vehicles testing institution in the West Bank.

    The following table shows the latest statistics of vehicles counts in the year 2006. Petrol vehicles Diesel vehicles Total West Bank 91931 37365 129296 Gaza Strip 42271 15074 57345 Total All 134202 52439 186641

    number of vehicles 2006

    Palestinian citizens of Israel

    Palestinian car on the wrong road?

    settler attacks

    ynet

    ynet notice the chronology

    Beit Shaan 19 Nov 1974 Williams, Louis (1975) Military Aspects of the Israeli-Arab Conflict , Transaction Publishers, ISBN 0878552278 p 89


    88. Two new settlements were set up in "Judea", called Maon and Carmel. These two settlements were to be Nahal outposts at first and were later to be occupied by "Gush Emunim", and were part of what Prime Minister Begin had called "the last 10 settlements" to be established on the West Bank. (Jerusalem Post, 13 January; Asha'b, 14 January) Ha'aretz, 9 January) Al Fajr Weekly, 18-24 January 1981).

    What's the fear of schoolgirls called?

    Halhul in December 1980 when 28 schoolgirls were ordered to report with their parents to the military Headquarters every day for one month and to remain there from 8.30 to 14.00 hours.

    Nabi Samwil

    72. A ring of settlements, bordering on Jerusalem, was to be established along the Ramot-Nabi samwil-Givon road; 500 dunams of land were allocated for a new settlement in the Nabi Samwil area (north-west of Jerusalem); two communal settlements, Tel Hadasha (200 dunams) and Givat Zeev (200 dunams), were to be integrated in this urgan network. Construction was to start in 1981. The areas were located on "State-owned land", in part belonging to the HIMANUTA company, i.e., a company registered in the name of HIMANUTA, an affiliate of the Jewish National Fund; another part is "State-owned land" administered by and registered the name of the Israel Land Administration. (Ma'ariv, 15 December; Ha'aretz, 15 and 31 December; Asha'b, 15 and 16 December 1980; Al Fajr Weekly, 4-10 January 1981)


    What's the difference between a religious school and a “Hesder Merkaz”

    One gets religious training the other military training. Merkaz Ha'rav, is the ideological centre for religious messianic Zionism, combining Talmudic studies with military training in its educational program. This is known in Hebrew as “Hesder Merkaz”.


    Lebanon

    Lebanon and Arabism: National Identity and State Formation By Raghīd Ṣulḥ, Centre for Lebanese Studies (Great Britain) Published by I.B.Tauris, 2004 ISBN 1860640516...Interesting book

    Palestinian territories

    Captured? Rather beggars the question from who? Using Captured is showing ignorance of the Hebron notables invitation to Jordan. Occupied certainly, captured no.

    Fountain of Qayt Bay

    *Coords Fountain of Qayt Bay 31° 46’ 39.94’’ N 35° 14’ 04.57’’ E Done. Thanks! Huldra (talk) 15:58, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

    *Kafr Lam...coords 32° 38’ 00’’ N 34° 56’ 00’’ E (the thing is degrees minutes and seconds only go up to 359°, 59’, 59’’...you can't have seconds of 60, 59 yes 60 no. you need to move the minutes up one and make it 00 seconds or make the seconds 59. The number after 59 is 00) Done. Thanks! Huldra (talk) 15:46, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

    Shishbarak recipe.Shishbarak recipe.

    *Kaukab Abu al-Hija coords 32° 49’ 52.83’’ N 35° 14’ 55.33’’ E Done. Thanks! Huldra (talk) 15:58, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

    I've only got a few days to go so I'll take care of any outstanding co-ords....Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 16:23, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

    • Ma'alul coords 32° 41’ 44.12’’ N 35° 14’ 22.18’’ E note Yafa an-Naseriyye note also a classic case of spurious history with Nahalal where the biblical Nahalal is written up under the village of Nahalal which has nothing to do with biblical nahalal, but Ma'alul does?
    • Indur coords 32° 38’ 11.32’’ N 35° 22’ 52.55’’ E
    • Al-Mujaydil coords 32° 40’ 40.29’’ N 35° 14’ 30.53’’ E

    Categories

    Hi, I'm puzzled by a recent edit of yours that I just came across, where you added Category:New Historians as a parent cat of Category:Historians of the Middle East. I'm wondering if it was an inadvertent error, or if you may have been perhaps slightly confused as to the proper "nesting" of categories -- an all too common mistake, trust me! :) In any event, I've already removed it, but I'd like to understand what you may have had in mind with the edit. Regards, Cgingold (talk) 10:40, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

    Recently? That's over a month ago. Inadvertent error on "nesting" of categories...I was familarising myself with the nesting of cats at the time I was rudely interrupted by a POV pusher....Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 11:02, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

    Jewish terrorism

    Yesterday the left-leaning Ha'aretz newspaper described their actions in Hebron this week as "Jewish terrorism". RS source directly calls it Jewish terrorism

    targeted assassination

    BBC

    Herodium

    Ha'aretz Ha'retz

    Jacob's Well

    • Deir Nidham coords 32° 00’ 10.65’’ N 35° 06’ 51.94’’ E
    • Qaddura coords 31° 54’ 05.48’’ N 35° 12’ 20.92’’ E

    Right wing extremists say it was shin bet?

    Ha'aretz conspiracy theorists eat your heart out.

    A right-wing organization urged Attorney General Menachem Mazuz yesterday to open an investigation into whether the pipe bomb that wounded Prof. Zeev Sternhell last week was a provocation carried out by the Shin Bet security service. The Campaign for Saving the People and the Country claims that the bombing, generally believed to have been carried out by right-wing extremists in response to Sternhell's left-wing political activism, was a provocation aimed at turning public opinion against the settlers to make future evacuations easier. "The timing and nature of the operation leave no room for doubt it was the work of a provocateur," it wrote. (Ofra Edelman)

    Glad to see you back

    Up and editing without using proxies. ;) Thanks for all your help in providing coordinates and corrections. If you ever need anything, do let me know. Tiamut 14:17, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

    Yes, I know NoCal and yes I think he was definitely a former user, and I suspect I may know which one, though I don't have any evidence for it, and so I won't say so here. I looked at the report. I don't like I would add anything to it there, but if you do decide to open an RfC, I might have some things to contribute. Personally, at this juncture however, I'd prefer to write articles. Senseless disputes have been taking up too much of my time lately. Cheers and good luck. Tiamut 19:30, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
    Yes, when people disruptively delete things first and respond to questions in an evasive fashion only later, it makes writing the articles hard. Which is why if you think this is a serious problem (i.e. its preventing you and others from writing good articles) you should follow up on it. I'm just exhausted after days of circular debate with people who can't stand the word "Palestine" at Hummus and do not feel like tangling with others again right now. Didn't mean to discourage you or make you feel that doing so wrong. Cheers. Tiamut 19:43, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

    Hi, glad to see you back! (but ooopsh....from what Avi says below here, I have been acting like a meatpuppet for you, by inserting coord into articles... ;) oh well, Hope I´m not blocked for that! Anyway, very nice to see you back. Huldra (talk) 23:11, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

    C O'S and Sock/Meatpuppetry

    Hello, Ashley. Firstly, even if there are two separate people involved, if Person B is making edits for person A, on wikipedia that is called meatpuppetry and is treated like sockpuppetry. I think you have two routes to take. In general, blocks/bans may be address on WP:ANI, but I am uncertain that will work as this is a CU block, checked by two CU's. My suggestion to you and Charlie would be to e-mail ArbCom. They all have the CU bit, and even if not, are allowed to receive the information. If this truly is a case where you and Charlie are separate people, and were unaware that making edits on each other's behalf was forbidden, it is possible that they will lift the block (perhaps with an eye to prevent future occurrences). There is an ArbCom e-mail list, and all ArbCom members have their respective e-mail addresses active. Thank you, and good luck. -- Avi (talk) 14:53, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

    A pleasure. -- Avi (talk) 16:56, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

    RE:Zir'in

    Well, it could certainly be added to, and thankfully you're off blocking! Thanks so much for all the coordinates, and WP Palestine looks forward to your return. Cheers! --Al Ameer son (talk) 17:43, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

    I'm not sure, perhaps the Administrators board. Maybe Tiamut knows? --Al Ameer son (talk) 22:08, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

    Note

    All due respect to concerns about improprieties, this comment is improper and should probably be toned down IMHO.
    Cordially, Jaakobou 19:27, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

    Archiving assistance

    Hi Ashley, would it be alright if I setup an archive bot for your talkpage? Currently it's over 100K, and some people's browsers start having trouble with anything over 32K. But I could set up an automated utility to archive any inactive threads, and then you wouldn't have to worry about it anymore? Let me know, --Elonka 18:15, 12 December 2008 (UTC)


    3RR Warning

    You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Banias. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. Canadian Monkey (talk) 18:30, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

    December 2008

    You have been blocked from editing for a period of 1 week in accordance with Misplaced Pages's blocking policy for violating the three-revert rule at Banias. Please be more careful to discuss controversial changes or seek dispute resolution rather than engaging in an edit war. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text {{unblock|your reason here}} below. Elonka 19:52, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

    There was consensus until NoCal100 stalked Nishidani onto the page, he then made edits by deletion claiming no consensus. At a 2:1 split that is consensus, not in his favour but that's they way it goes. The last time I checked wiki was not running out of paper. NoCal100 looks to be attempting to censor information to what he finds interesting. That is not good practice, what the world finds interesting may not be only the small amount that NoCal100 finds interesting. Me I say wiki is supposed to be a repository of the sum of human knowledge so I include as much as possible. If NoCal100 want to keep a minimalistic attitude tell him to join censorwiki, the miniwiki version....A war started over Banias, water and Hula marshes, if it was important enough for a war it shows high notability...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 20:03, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

    Edit warning on Banias

    You had already placed a warning on the Talk page of Nocal100 - - so what would be the point of placing another warning? Please read WP:VANDALISM - what you are doing is clearly not within the scope of reverting vandalism. Canadian Monkey (talk) 20:01, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

    Sockpuppetry claims

    Hello, Ashley.

    If you have serious concerns about an account being a sockpuppet and being used to edit around restrictions, please file a report at WP:SSP. Otherwise, merely making such claims in edit summaries and on talk pages without proof or follow up may be construed as a personal attack and harassment, both of which are just as forbidden as sockpuppetry, by the by. WP:SSP will follow up on properly filed cases, and I'd suggest you use that venue. Thanks. -- Avi (talk) 20:03, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

    1. B'Tselem
    2. Tikkun
    3. Middle East.org
    4. Cohen, Shaul Ephraim (1993) The Politics of Planting: Israeli-Palestinian Competition for Control of Land in the Jerusalem Periphery University of Chicago Press, ISBN 0226112764 pp 139-145
    5. Holzman-Gazit, Yifat (2007) Land Expropriation in Israel: Law, Culture and Society Ashgate Publishing, Ltd., ISBN 0754625435 p 162
    6. B'Tselem
    7. Benvenisti, Meron (2007) Son of the Cypresses: Memories, Reflections, and Regrets from a Political Life Translated by Maxine Kaufman-Lacusta University of California Press, ISBN 0520238257 p 78
    8. Amir S. Cheshin, Bill Hutman, AVI Melamed (2001) Separate and Unequal: The Inside Story of Israeli Rule in East Jerusalem Harvard University Press, ISBN 0674005538 p 48
    9. Amir S. Cheshin, Bill Hutman, AVI Melamed (2001) Ibid p 52
    10. Ruth Lapidoth, Ruth Eschelbacher Lapidoth, Moshe Hirsch (1994) The Jerusalem Question and Its Resolution: Selected Documents Martinus Nijhoff Publishers, ISBN 0792328930 p 224
    11. Talhami, Ghada Hashem (2003) Palestinian Refugees: Pawns to Political Actors Nova Publishers, ISBN 1590336496 p126
    12. Karmi, Ghada (1997) Jerusalem Today: What Future for the Peace Process? Ithaca Press, ISBN 0863722261 p xii
    13. Alain Gresh, (2004) Dominique Vidal The New A-Z of the Middle East: Second Edition I.B.Tauris, ISBN 1860643264, p 173
    14. Shaul Mishal, Ranan D. Kuperman, David Boas (2001) Investment in Peace: Politics of Economic Cooperation Between Israel, Jordan, and the Palestinian Authority Sussex Academic Press, ISBN 1902210883 p 64
    15. Anita Shapira, and Derek Jonathan Penslar (2003) Israeli Historical Revisionism: From Left to Right Routledge, ISBN 0714653799 p 71
    16. Ha'aretz 30 November 2008 Israel to free Hamas 'bargaining chips' arrested over Shalit kidnapping By Amos Harel and Avi Issacharoff