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Trinity Morgana

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she is listed in all the adult film databases http://www.adultfilmdatabase.com/actor.cfm?actorid=50438 http://www.iafd.com/person.rme/perfid=TrinityMorgana/gender=F/trinity-morgana.htm

and has been in penthouse plus is a known actress name! I feel this was due to her religious choice or an disgruntled editor/admin and nothing more.I tried to contact deleteing admin but that admin admits to closing their talk page Billmathies (talk) 03:45, 14 December 2008 (UTC) -->

Chants about Manchester United

I edited the formatting to comply with wikipedia standards. Every wikipedia article with outside sources is formatted in that way. User:TheRatedRKOLegendKiller (UTC 19:45)

Hmmm.

Which came first, the chicken or the egg? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dennis Brown (talk • contribs)

Thanks

Thanks friend for contributing on Roja Ramani article. I really appreciate your effort to dig through and add some references. What's painful is the way it has been labeled, even after discussion it was going nowhere. Randhirreddy (talk)

Randy Mengullo

Hi there, hope you're having a good time. Thank you so much for that wonderful ideas you've share in the discussion of Randy Mengullo.

Thank you for time and expetise for helping my article.

Some small facts that somehow may help:

1. During the time when sensei Randy Mengullo is still active in martial arts competitions (1988-1994) computer and internet are just read or topics in the book. The Visayan Daily Star (35 years in the print media), the most awarded newspaper in the region have just established computer/internet access more or less in the year 2001. That's why its hard for us to established notability if the google search is the measurement of standard. I have here a dozen of "hard copy/original" press realeses, sports news and certificates to concerning sensei Mengullo achievements.

2. Jack & Jill School is a elementary institution and most of the players are ages 6-12. That's why it hard for us to established prominent figure because most of te media people focus in the college level or professional level competitions and some of our students transfered to Manila or Cebu to pursue their college education. I may say the team belongs to the "grass roots" level of sports program in the country but if given the chance to compete the team shines from City Meet, Provincial, Regional up to National level competitions. It always proven in the National Karatedo Federation Karatedo Championship and Philipine Olympic Festival held every year in different area in the contry (the local version of Olympic).

3. I tried to give references even the name of the Mr. Randy Mengullo are not mention in the press release or in the sports news because it's all connected when talking karate achievements is concern. Some of the sport news only mention Jack & Jill School Team, JJS Karate, JJS karatedo or simply JJS but in general the official coach/trainer is Mr. Mengullo.

Hi there, I try to follow your advice to put some authors, date, volume and other information about the magazines to be put as references and also a some scan articles or cover of the magazines but somehow i was late to include it because the Randy Mengullo article was already redirected to Jack & Jill School...

What will I do to retain it? For that I can modify it or put some useful information like what you've told me. Thankz a lot!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jjskarate (talk • contribs) 03:19, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Hope it can somehow help or clear this topic. Thank you so much!!! Jjskarate (talk) 07:34, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

• Really need your help

The article of sensei Randy Mengullo was published yesterday in "Sunday Inquirer Magazine" of Philippine Daily Inquirer, one of the leading national newspaper in the country. Kindy help me make this a reference accepted to retain or pass the notability... THANK YOU SO MUCH in advance!!! http://showbizandstyle.inquirer.net/sim/sim/view/20081214-177923/Life-Lessons-from-Karate Jjskarate (talk) 00:57, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Rashid Khalidi

Hi ChildofMidnight -- you've reverted me twice in the last day or so to replace material to Rashid Khalidi that I had removed with reference to WP:BLP. I have been discussing this on the talk page, but I do not see any comment from you in either case. Please read that policy carefully before doing this, for instance the section here. I am not sure if you are a returning user, as I see you have only been around for about a month, but you should know that editing these bios is one of the most sensitive issues on Misplaced Pages; as such I would strongly suggest waiting for discussion to resolve itself rather than reverting material back into place that has been removed per this policy. Regards, Mackan79 (talk) 07:53, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. If there is improperly sourced material you can alter it or fix it to make it appropriate. The section you removed contains numerous citations to well established media. Wholesale deletion of well sourced material that you disagree with can be disruptive. I hope you'll make the edits necessary to fix any problems instead of simply removing all the text you find objectionable.ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:59, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

It contains some citations to well-established media, but the question has been whether those sources are being assembled in a way that represents original research or original synthesis. Those are equally reasons to remove material under WP:BLP. As I said on the talk page, I have proposed another way to deal with it, but I think it is clear under WP:BLP that we should reach agreement on any version to be implemented, rather than just leaving it in the article and attempting to improve it as we go. In any case, hopefully any discussion can continue on the talk page. Mackan79 (talk) 08:23, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

ChildofMidnight, please stop adding versions of this material without participating in discussion. I granted above that you may be a new user, but it is a highly problematic way of approaching a WP:BLP, and if you continue I will ask that you be prohibited from editing this page. Please participate in discussion if you have a view on what should be included, where a number of people are discussing the issue. Regards, Mackan79 (talk) 07:04, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

I have in fact participated in the discussion. I have also followed the discussion. There is no policy, that I am aware of, that says I have to comment on a talk page before editing an article. If there is a BLP problem you are welcome to correct it. Leaving out notable information is improper and I hope you aren't seeking to obstruct good faith edits instead of making corrections where needed. Endlessly objecting to well sourced material can be disruptive and result in your being blocked. I may be a relatively new user, but I don't appreciate threats and intimidation. I haven't violated any policies and my edits have been in good faith. I don't see anything in the content I added that hasn't been well sourced and discussed extensively on the talk page. If it needs to be modified please do so. ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:16, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

As I said above, the problem is that BLPs are considered extremely sensitive on Misplaced Pages, and are perhaps the one case where the standard approach of incrementalism is expressly rejected. Accordingly if editors refuse to respect this, then in general admins are very quick to protect and/or to block, since long term dispute resolution is not considered adequate. I don't know how else to put it. I know you have participated earlier, but there is an ongoing discussion with several editors actively participating, and which you seem to have left. I am attempting to suggest as clearly as I can that if you're interested in the page, then you should continue participating on the talk page to build WP:Consensus, not to pro-actively add contested material. That may work on other types of articles, but not with this type of issue on a WP:BLP. Mackan79 (talk) 08:39, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Article content that is well sourced to main stream media such as the LA Times is not a BLP violation. Your repeated attempts to invoke BLP violations whenever someone attempts to add well sourced content you disagree with is grossly inappropriate. I suggest you find sources to support your arguments rather than continue an uncivil campaign of threats and intimidation. Thanks. ChildofMidnight (talk) 08:49, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

It is poorly sourced, and a BLP vio. Don't do it again, please, and respect the need to edit the encyclopedia in collaborative fashion.Wikidemon (talk) 08:59, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Of course it's well sourced, which is why the two of you are fighting the consensus to move forward and to include verifiable information. If you don't like the wording, take it up with the LA Times and the other reliable sources instead of engaging in a long term wikilawyering campaign of weasel wording to make a description more palatable to your POV. That kind of obstruction is bad faith, almost as bad as threatening the good faith actions of other editors. Shape up. And from now on stay off my talk page. Gracias. ChildofMidnight (talk) 09:06, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

CoM, you can delete this if you like, but please consider that I'll assume your good faith if you assume mine. My issue isn't with you, but only with whether there are what I consider to be BLP violations on the page; I'm not an admin, and I'm involved regarldess, so I can't block other editors and I can't protect the page. If someone keeps editing the page to what I consider a BLP violation, then I have to take it to dispute resolution. I'm sure you're a good faith editor, and don't have any reason to question it; in fact, I read some of your other posts, and you seem perfectly reasonable. So, I apologize if I gave any other impression. Regards, Mackan79 (talk) 09:24, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

I quite understand why you attempted to add to the article well-sourced material that would not have been questioned were Misplaced Pages an a-political world. Misplaced Pages is a highly politicized world. I hope you will stop by the Rashid Khalidi talk page. We may be about to reach anconsensus on adding this material.Historicist (talk) 22:53, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

I am also fairly new to Misplaced Pages, but I am beginning to catch on. Wikidemon has a playbook. Take a look at Pure argumentativeness. Wikidemon has done virtually everything on the page. He blocks people whose politics he doesn't like, repeats the same arguments over and over, threatens and bullies... it's all there. I'm very glad to see you standing up to him.Historicist (talk) 02:50, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Deleted redirect

That one was deleted as "unlikely or implausible". What do you think, incidentally, of the actual article? The creator's edit history makes me wonder about his priorities and intentions. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:02, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Cherries

Thanks, are you a cherry enthusiast? There are a few other cherry articles that need creating or expanding. Badagnani (talk) 19:31, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, they're candy canes--they come in other flavors and colors besides the red-and-white peppermint ones. I saw something about it on the Food Channel's "Unwrapped" program. I collect chestnuts every year and somehow there are small worms that get inside those as well. I don't know how they do it, unless they get in there during the flower stage. Perhaps the flowers are pollinated by flies rather than bees as is the case for some plants such as the pawpaw. Badagnani (talk) 21:26, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh, no--a candy cane is curvy--the rods are straight. Badagnani (talk) 22:46, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

OK, got it--it's a candy stick. See . I think candy stick should be expanded, with a photo. Badagnani (talk) 22:52, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Photo added. Badagnani (talk) 23:04, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh yeah, just go on Flickr and search for what you like, then click "Advanced search" and limit to free photos by clicking all three boxes: "Only search within Creative Commons-licensed content," "Find content to use commercially," and "Find content to modify, adapt, or build upon." Usually the pickings are slim and the free photos aren't as good. However, I've written to a lot of photographers, and maybe about 80%, if they're asked, will change the license on that photo to allow it to be used as a representative photo at Misplaced Pages (with link to their Flickr page and credit to them). I can send you sample letters if you find better images and would like to start trying that. Badagnani (talk) 23:34, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Also try these two very powerful tools (though they won't help get permission for non-freely licensed photos):

• FIST free image search tool (finds free photos from the Flickr website and other sources, for use on Misplaced Pages)
• Flickr2Commons tool (for uploading single photos from Flickr)

Badagnani (talk) 23:35, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

I grew up in the early '70s and they were called "old-fashioned" then, too. But the colors are certainly very artificial! Emailing a Flickr photographer is quick and only usually takes a couple of minutes. You have to have a Flickr account, then just send them a private message. Badagnani (talk) 01:05, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Of course--just see Image:Sloppyjoemeat.jpg, and follow it to the original Flickr photo page. You'll see what I do. Badagnani (talk) 01:06, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

You can see some of my photo uploads here. Badagnani (talk) 01:07, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Help me section

• What policies govern making changing to articles in User space?
• How do I get a page merged?
• Once an article is at AfD, can I merge it or do I have to wait for the AfD to end? If an article is proposed for deletion, doesn't a merge satisfy the concern (as the article doesn't exist as a stand alone entity any more)?
• How do I make this section undeletable?

Oops I meant unarchivable.

• Which came first, the chicken or the egg?ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:53, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

My answers

• WP:UP.
• WP:MERGE.
• If there's a clear consensus to merge (for instance, if it's been open a couple days or more, and everyone is calling for a merge, then yes. Otherwise, no.
• I don't think that's possible.
• The chicken. God can't lay an egg. :-P

Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • 19:59, 8 December 2008 (UTC) {{helpme}}

• • I couldn't find policies on editing articles in userspace, but it says: "by convention your user page will usually not be edited by others." Does this convention extend to articles in user space? I'm guessing, yes.
  • I don't really understand the first part of the merge instructions. Who wrote them? (this is a semi-rhetorical question). Why not just cut and paste? How does a merge put the history together?
  • Do I have to fix all the double redirects or will a bot mop up for me in short order?
  • How do the talk pages get merged? are they left where they are?
  • I thought the point of merges was to merge histories, but I don't see how the process does that. Am I missing something?(talk) 20:17, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
    • As for your merge questions, admins can merge histories. If you have an article draft in userspace, it generally won't be edited by others. A bot fixes double redirects. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • 21:04, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

{{helpme}}

• • • • Okay, but in non-controversial mergers why not just cut and paste and ask an Admin to merge the histories? What does the merge process itself achieve? It's just to promote discussion? What happens with the talk page?
      • If a bot cleans up the double redirects why do the instructions say to do it? Is there an advantage to having me do it other than the speed factor (and higher risk of grotesque mispellings?) ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:11, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
        • Cut and paste removes the author credits. Talk pages are usually G6'd. Also, I would assume it's mostly a speed factor to fix the double redirects yourself. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • 21:37, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank You

Thank you for your encouragement, humor and probing questions, attempts to answer some of which found their way into the article. Did you notice the picture of the tin-can antenna? It reminds me of a simple device with two tin cans linked with a tight string that my sister and I played with as children, a very basic and not very effective sort of walkie talkie. But these ones really are real.

Back to the day job. Thanks again. Aymatth2 (talk) 20:43, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Re: Lotus field

I'm not totally sure, but I'm pretty sure they were farming them for pretty much everything. I went there with a friend (whose aunt or cousin or something was the person who owned and worked those fields) and when we were there we were mostly popping the lotus seeds or whatever--the funny little round things that pop out of that green or yellow part that looks like a showerhead. They seem to be pretty common food in that part of China (which is considered to be part of southern China but is really pretty much in the middle)...as finger food, as part of various cooked dishes, etc. So we were just sort of picking the little whatevers and eating them for fun, but the woman who was actually working had a big basket on her back and was taking the whole flower, and I think also the root

As for Buddha and the lotus flowers...I'm not sure where that originally came from...that would be interesting to look into some more. —Politizer /_contribs 21:28, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Hahahahhaha

		The Barnstar of Good Humor
		Awarded by Intothewoods29 for this awesome edit summary!

Intothewoods29 (talk) 23:42, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

AdminWatch

I have little time at the moment. What kind of "tweaks" were you thinking of? In the process? Tony (talk) 00:29, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Snickers Salad

Thanks for all the info and advice! Very interesting. I love Misplaced Pages, but have had issues with certain contributors/users. Even if you do everything 'by the book' there's still so much grey area to be argued about! I like that it's basically a democracy with everyone working towards the same goal of having well-written, quality information. I'm always amazed by the variety of information available -- people write articles about the craziest stuff, I love it. Speaking of which...

I think I've heard of Snickerdoodle cookies, but I've never heard of Snickerdoodle salad -- sorry, I can't help much there. You should definitely write an article about Seven Layer Salad! I'll write one if you're too busy. Thanks for the "uff da" link -- my family says that all the time. I sent a link to my mom. Shatner1 (talk) 01:06, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

• Ole and Lena -- hilarious -- my grandparents refer to them once in a while, but it was good to get a history lesson. We don't have any Dala Horses around the house, but I've seen them before. We do have a big Velkommen sign on my Mom's front door though. Kitchen Sink -- amazing coincidence -- my Dad just gave me the DVD, but I haven't had a chance to watch it yet. He said he saw it on TV one night and thought I'd like it. I'm still planning on writing the Seven Layer Salad article, but feel like I'll be busy for a while trying to save a few of the articles I've written that are up for deletion. I don't know why this SERSean deletionist guy hates me so much, he's really singled me out. Shatner1 (talk) 03:28, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Photos

No contact was necessary because the "CC" and "CC-share alike" license (the latter of which is "some rights reserved") are kosher for WP. Other licenses, such as "CC non-commercial" or "CC-no modifications" are not.

Which photo did you link?

Regarding my uploads, just follow the link I sent you (here it is again) and you'll see numerous photos I took myself. Badagnani (talk) 01:36, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Here are some others I added. Badagnani (talk) 01:37, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

They all look pretty good. Some of the photos were my own, others were found on Flickr and had the right license so I went ahead and uploaded them without asking, and others I had to ask for a change of license first. You can upload your own photos no problem. You can put them right onto en:WP, or onto Commons (so they can be used by Wikipedias in other languages more easily), or you can put them onto Flickr, then onto one of the aforementioned WikiProjects. Any way you want to do it. Badagnani (talk) 01:48, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Candy stick

Looks like it's also called "stick candy." Badagnani (talk) 02:10, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Promotion in Motion

The article isn't perfect, but it isn't spam either. The company meets WP:CORP as well. Hope that answers everything, Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP! :D} 02:15, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

New photo

See Pistachio pudding. I wrote to this photographer and he changed his license. Usually people are happy to do it, as it gives them a lot of exposure for their photos. Badagnani (talk) 03:38, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Candy stick

If we can expand it a bit, we can submit it to WP:DYK. It would have to be at least 1500 characters (right now it's 900). Maybe Google Books has some history of this item. Badagnani (talk) 04:34, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

will need to be lightened with "Auto levels" in Photoshop before uploading to Misplaced Pages. "Stick candy" seems to be more used in a Google search by about double, if you add "old fashioned" to the search. If you don't, they're about equal (but probably include other things that aren't the item we're talking about). Badagnani (talk) 04:42, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

I think it's almost ready to submit to WP:DYK. Badagnani (talk) 05:10, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

OK, done. See Template_talk:Did_you_know#Articles_created.2Fexpanded_on_December_9. Badagnani (talk) 05:35, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Great, I made the first verse into a quote. Badagnani (talk) 05:51, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Someone is claiming this is a British candy called "rock." Please refer to the link above and see my comment. Badagnani (talk) 21:03, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Asian fruits

Myrica rubra (yangmei) is popular in Shanghai but very rare in North America. I've never had one fresh, but you can get them in Chinese grocery stores marinated in baijiu (hard liquor). It's got a big pit and hundreds of tiny, soft, fleshy nibs all the way around, something like a raspberry but firmer. The ume plum Prunus mume is the Japanese apricot. I've never had one fresh, but they're very good in Korean and Japanese plum wine (look in liquor stores or Asian restaurants for a bottle with little whole green plums in the bottle). They're also excellent in Japanese sour, salty umeboshi (not to everyone's taste; if you like salty and sour things you'll love them--they're good with rice and as an ingredient in sushi). There is also umeboshi vinegar and Korean sweet plum syrup, which can be purchased in a jar and used as a concentrate to make hot or cold tea. Hope this gives you enough info on these fruits. Badagnani (talk) 04:40, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Refactoring comments

Do not remove my comments on article talk pages, such behavior is disruptive and can lead to blocks, this is your first warning.— Dædαlus 04:40, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

You did so right here. Don't do it again.— Dædαlus 04:46, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Weird. I didn't even see your comment when I was making mine, which is why I was responding to the other comment. I'm not sure what happened, but I'm glad you caught it and fixed it. Thanks. ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:53, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Rachel Hirschfeld (attorney)

On 9 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Rachel Hirschfeld (attorney), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 14:26, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

Hello ChildofMidnight. Thank you for the Congrats. It seems to me that for some unknown reason User: Sponsianus has an agenda of ripping the article apart, see how ridiculus he gotten: Talk:Ivan Castro (soldier). I can't understand what his problem is. This is Misplaced Pages, therefore feel free to add any good sourced information on the marathons which Sponsianus eliminated because of his own personnel perception. I know I will once I cool down. Thank you once more. Tony the Marine (talk) 20:03, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

hello

hello fellow midnight. may I sugguest that you put a "k" in midnight? it sounds much more awesome than your already uber name. MidKnightHunter (talk) 20:58, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Kishka, again

Hey, thanks for wading in and maintaining a good attitude. I had been rather frustrated.

Splitting off the article wouldn't be my first choice, but perhaps it is the best compromise. Kishka (food) already serves as a sort of main article for kaszanka. But then blood sausage and sausage are the super-articles.

Cheers. —Michael Z. 2008-12-10 01:22 z

Thank you once more

Thank you once more for your comments. Hey, I see that you are interested in cuisine. Check out the one and only article that I ever wrote about something edible: Piragua (food). In it you will see the pictures of my daughter and two grand-daughters which were taken while our visit to Puerto Rico when the government of the island paid me tribute. You are a good person. Tony the Marine (talk) 02:25, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

This made me laugh. Cheers, —Politizer /_contribs 09:02, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. You and Cbl62 did a great job cleaning up the article. —Politizer /_contribs 01:11, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Which?

Which article? Badagnani (talk) 06:35, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

merge

Mention it on the article talk p. As for preserving the edit history, I don't know much bout that; ideally there should be at least a redirect from the deleted article. I am not sure to what extent the content is worth including in the main article -- if it's challenged I'd be inclined to let it go. If it stays, consider rewriting in paragraph form. Consider giving an indication for where in the work they appear either first or most notably. DGG (talk) 18:43, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Move of Nazi Philosophers

Hi, sorry about that, it was moved because it was covering philosophers that were not only German but also Italian, French and other racist philosophies from the 19th century. by user:Savabubble

Goan theater

I'm afraid I don't know anything about it, though I have some Goan friends and like Kesarbai Kerkar. For the length of the stick candy, there are sources that give about 4.5 to 5 inches as the regular length. Regarding the keeshka lyrics I don't know what those other foods are. Badagnani (talk) 23:39, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Bowling terms

Hey midnight,

I've been doing a bunch of editing. Ive wikified a few articles, unorphaned some, merged one or two, and added info to some. I was wondering what you think about this article: Bowling terms. Should I merge this into Bowling? OverSeer (talk) 23:55, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Thats helpful. I will definitely ask people on the talk pages. I think when u were talking about the grumpy people you were refering to the previous post on my talk page, correct? I have been finding things to work on from the backlogs OverSeer (talk) 00:25, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh ok now i get what u meany by grumpy. Yeah I tried to put a link ^up there^ for back logs but it wouldent link right...heres a good one: . Yeah I did know about the watchlist and i know what contributions history is. What do u use the contributions list for? Also, can u make it so that it'll show a message when someone edits on ur watchlist? OverSeer (talk) 01:03, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

OK yeah i see what your talking about with contributions thing. Right now I am trying to figure out why User:DCSniper207 wants to move the football section on Arkansas State Red Wolves to a new page named Arkansas State Red Wolves football. This page looks like it has already been split from Arkansas Stat University. Alos Im pretty sure there should at least be a link on ASU's article. OverSeer (talk) 01:42, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

No i didnt know that how you search for them. ty for the info though. ive just been searching for the info and clickin the "see blah blah blah for the wiki one" at the top. Yeah, earlier today I got bored and decided to edit some stuff and decided that the orphaned article i was working on (the ASU thing) looked like it would fit better under the ASU article so I looked up how to merge it. thanks for the info about not insulting an admin too...i will be sure to check the user before I start to argue. OverSeer (talk) 02:05, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

http://meta.wikimedia.org/Friends_of_gays_should_not_be_allowed_to_edit_articles OMG thats funny! OverSeer (talk) 03:03, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Length

See and http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q="stick+candy"+"inches+long"+"old+fashioned"&btnG=Search. Badagnani (talk) 23:57, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Message

I think you can do pretty much anything but I've never heard of that. That's "hacker" territory (which probably 80% of Wikipedians are, but I'm not). Badagnani (talk) 01:26, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Length

After looking at the links I sent you it seems you're picking the "weird" exception rather than the rule. Badagnani (talk) 02:41, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Jujy fruits

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Looks like a good redirect to me. WARNING WARNING WARNING. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:43, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, page was blank when I visited. I canceled the tag after the redirect was active. No harm, No foul. Happy Holidays! --digitalmischief (talk) 03:45, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

No worries. I understood what happened. I shouldn't edit when I'm tired. It does make me wonder if we should tone down some of our templates though. It's not like we're handling nuclear waste. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:47, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Kishka (Jewish food) and Kishka (food)

Hi, I notice the copyright bot listed Kishka (Jewish food) as a copyright violation of Kishka (food) at Misplaced Pages:Suspected copyright violations. Normally copyright violations (GFDL violation) between Misplaced Pages articles are caused by copy&paste move/merge without attributing the source-article. But these two pages seem different, and the histories look confusing to me (too many edits in the last few days :)). Would you mind explaining to me what happened so I could see how to fix the copyright issues (if any). Thanks, --PeaceNT (talk) 12:05, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Thank you so much! I thought Kishka (Jewish food) was split from Kishka the disambiguation page due to your edit summary, which was odd because the short page history of Kishka indicated no such changes; then I noticed the bot said otherwise, so I looked at Kishka (food), but that page had totally different content compared with Kishka (Jewish food).(???) That's where I got confused, because it wasn't clear where the content of Kishka (Jewish food) was coming from and why it was caught by the bot. Thus I figured it best to consult with an editor who would obviously understand these pages better than me, which is why I decided to bother you. :) Normally that coren bot would report copy&paste move aiming to disambiguate or redirect the original article. This case is strange; the original page is neither a disambiguation page nor a redirect! Anyway, I just made a dummy edit to note the title of source-article, so it looks fine now. In the future you need to atribute the source when merging or splitting. Just make sure it is clearly visible from the new page history. That's all. :) Take care, --PeaceNT (talk) 04:59, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

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whoever said that they were old knights. I mean the new knights. the unwelcome protectors. see you later, ChildofMidKnight.MidKnightHunter (talk) 13:49, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

WUG AfD

Thanks for your feedback on the South African wireless user groups AfD process. I wanted it to go through that to clear the air. I have found some new refs and will probably expand the article some time, mostly the part on rural networks, which seem to have a lot of potential. I don't have any ambition to try for DYK, but would like to make it a bit more complete and coherent. Thanks again. Aymatth2 (talk) 16:29, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Band/Foamy

So like I have it? or different? And yeah I already moved the old info back to my userspace. I didnt want to just throw that info away. Also go to my userspace and check out the foamy draft im doing. Have you ever heard of Foamy? OverSeer (talk) 19:01, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

I cant seem to find "news" on Foamy, but there are a bunch of fan sites and such things like that. Do you think those would work? Also, I get what you are saying about the bullet points. Im going to try and include some more info under the bullets. OverSeer (talk) 19:18, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Ok. I looked up webcomic and realized its not accually a webcomic, because webcomics are unanimated. But I did determine it is webtoon. These are basically animated webcomics. I am probably going to edit the webtoon page, cuz it looks to be at stub status. Do you think this would work for a reference for a Foamy page? Internet archive OverSeer (talk) 19:35, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah just with the < ref> thing right? Although I dont know how many references you are supposed to have to be "Notable". OverSeer (talk) 19:43, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Lobster candy

It must have been too elaborate to make, though they say it was one of the greatest candies ever. Too bad we don't still have it, though maybe we could try to revive it. The closest we have are Boston Baked Beans (candy). By the way, I just bought some horehound lozenges in Oberlin, Ohio. You can probably find some where you are, in an old-time general store-type place. Regarding song lyrics, sure, put more in. Articles can get fairly long. Nobody has yet certified our WP:DYK! Badagnani (talk) 07:22, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Is it not cold where you are? I saw them and had to buy them, since we'd been discussing them, but also because I might get a sore throat or cold this winter and they'd come in handy. This is the website of the ones I got. I think there's some misinformation from the candy cane proponents because the recipes we have from the 1800s clearly talk about mixing in color to make stripes. Badagnani (talk) 07:40, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

I like SoCal and have performed in San Diego and visited L.A. (hung out in the Cambodian area of Long Beach) and Orange County (Little Saigon). I'm an ethnomusicologist and specialize in and play Asian music from several countries. I've been to China and Thailand but not in the last few years. Badagnani (talk) 08:13, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

By the way, have you ever been to the Tongva springs at University High School? They are amazing. Badagnani (talk) 08:13, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Stick candy

Hi, can you add some Christmas-related information? )See .) Badagnani (talk) 20:59, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

*sigh*

Ορισμένοι ζητούν vigilantes μας, κάποιοι μας αποκαλούν εγκληματίες. Αυτοί που κάνουν δυσάρεστη την υπεράσπιση του κοινού καλού. Αυτό είναι ένα MidKnight.http://www.google.com/ig?hl=en&referrer=ign MidKnightHunter (talk) 00:14, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Refernce to wikipedia

I can't find any mention of not being allowed to use links for reference. In fact if you look up wp: citing wikipedia in the search box you'll find lots of ways to cite wiki. It seems to me a moot point anyhow since the Heidegger article itself cites sources for this.84.203.39.11 (talk) 04:06, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Looked for this section you mentioned and I can only find evidence to the contrary. Could you be more specific and quote the prohibition that you have found? wp: citations lists a whole host of ways in which to cite wikipedia, yet you claim wikipedia should not be cited84.203.39.11 (talk) 12:41, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

List of fraternities and sororities in the Philippines

I've seen you on a couple of the AFDs for Filipino Fraternities and Sororities. Would you please take a look at the List of fraternities and sororities in the Philippines article at this point and let me know what you think.Naraht (talk) 05:01, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

I responded on my page, just to keep it together.Naraht (talk) 14:03, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Nazi Philosophers

• Comment - Typically so do I. However, I know I an being cantankerous on this subject :-) about this article, but my reasoning on not requiring references and cites on this piece, at this time, is that the piece is nothing more than a list at this point. A list that I believe should be included here at Misplaced Pages, but still a list of blue linked individuals. In that all the individuals included on the list are well cited and referenced and establish Notability and verifiabilty in their individual articles, hence there is no need to reference again, as those references and cites carry-over. However, that does not mean as the article grows, and it should per several of your recommendation, that the additional material should not be cited and referenced. Just the opposite, that will require the appropriate cites. Hope this explains were I am coming from a little better. By the way, welcome aboard. It is always nice to see new faces, especially ones that show a passion and intelligence that you have shown. See you around. ShoesssS 13:30, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

In-Quest reflist...

...oops, thanks! Drmies (talk) 15:55, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Answers

Well, I'm not sure, but you could try it this way: Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:WikiProject_Vietnam -- they're ordered sequentially so the last ones would presumably be the newest articles that have the project banner. Badagnani (talk) 19:12, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

You could also count the total articles using this tool (which most projects have): Misplaced Pages:WikiProject_Vietnam/Assessment. Badagnani (talk) 19:13, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

We don't usually use other WP articles as sources, because all WP articles should be sourced with off-Wiki sources. Badagnani (talk) 19:14, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

I saw Peruvian when I was in L.A. too; I didn't try the food (it was mostly meat, and I'm a vegan), but I tried a sweet, purple drink made from corn kernels. I've forgotten the name. Cambodian food is like Thai but maybe even more exotic. I tried a bitter leaf vegetable called sadao (which is called neem in English). They have Cambodian bands play at the clubs on the weekends. It's worth a trip down there. Badagnani (talk) 19:15, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Math article style

Please stop correcting napkin folding problem. It is not a puzzle but a geometry problem. And the subject should come second in accordance with math style, see e.g. Krein–Milman theorem, Kepler conjecture, Erdős-Diophantine graph, Centroidal Voronoi tessellation, Szemerédi–Trotter theorem, Helly's theorem, etc. If you feel this is still wrong, please discuss on the talk page of the article. Thank you. Mhym (talk) 01:04, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the explanation. I have a few comments/ questions:

• 1) "A puzzle is a problem or enigma that challenges ingenuity" -Misplaced Pages lead sentence on puzzle. Are you sure it's not a puzzle?
• 2) You don't find it redundant to say the napkin folding problem is a problem?
• 3) Is there a policy page or consensus that math articles shouldn't start with the subject, like all the other articles? What is the reasoning for this format?

As you've brought the issue to my talk page I'm replying here. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:14, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

I am sure the style can be improved. I did not write the article. I believe the word puzzle has negative connotation as being something elementary. My dictionary says: "puzzle = a particularly baffling problem that is said to have a correct solution" and "a toy that tests your ingenuity". I think saying that the "napkin folding problem is a problem on..." is like saying that "highway I95 is a highway on the East Coast." There is no redundancy. Say, you are not going to say "road on the East Coast" just to use a different word. As for the 3), I think there is an emerging consensus. I am not an expert on WP style guidelines, so can't point you to the right page. Sorry. Probably math portal has a link. Mhym (talk) 01:29, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

• • 1)If I saw an article that said Highway 495 is a highway, I would change it. It's redundant and not particularly helpful. If having a wikilink to the highway article is helpful I would start the next sentence by saying, The highway...
  • 2) You don't think the napkin folding problem is baffling? Why is there an article about it? Why does it say aspects are still contreversial and unresolved? As far as negative associations or connotations, I think writing accurately is more important than catering to the POV perceptions of the uninformed. My suggestion would be: if there's a better word use it. Saying a problem is a problem strikes me as being childish.
  • The consensus, as I understand it, is for clean and clear article standards that don't vary from project to project.

Nothing you've said has convinced my that my edits weren't constructive and helpful. I think you should consider reverting back to them and gaining consensus for the redundant and arbitrary format you're trying to maintain. I am happy to continue this discussion on the article's talk page as you've suggested.ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:46, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Comment - As there are no works regarding the Napkin folding problem and there are sources referencing as shown here Margulis napkin problem, I would recommend changing the name of the piece. Redirect with Napkin folding problem to "Margulis napkin problem" should not be a problem at this point and the word problem should not be a problem (pun indeed). Thanks.

Another song

Here's another song: . Badagnani (talk) 03:24, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Welcome templates

Thanks for the message. I have a couple of templates that I have shamelessly stolen from other editors and customised: User:Ukexpat/welcome1 and User:Ukexpat/welcome2. – ukexpat (talk) 01:45, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Scalper?

XD really, is this what I have come to? Thanks for calling me a good person though, I appreciate it.

Beware! Scapler (talk) 02:25, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Too funny! ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:33, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Anyway it's more glamorous than being called a modern day scalper. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:38, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes, but certainly not as lucrative! (If you meet anyone in the market for scalps, tell me, the market is really drying up with this economic downturn) Scapler (talk) 03:00, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Indeed. It's not much of a "philosophy for life". I'm still scarred from seeing the other photo on the scalping page. Talk about a bad hair day every day. Yikes. No wonder beaver hats were popular back then. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:06, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Don't underestimate the scalping abilities of beavers, they are simply maniacal, case in point:

(I don't know if beavers are accused of racism towards Russians to, but something tells me they are, how many Russian beavers have you met?) Scapler (talk) 03:33, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Bad news, Good news

So, where does this go from here? He has gotten this close to consensus several times. Indeed, he has signed on to a consensus twice, allowed the material to go up on the page, then come back a day or two later and reverted it. Is there no way to stop such a manipulative fellow?Historicist (talk) 03:27, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. I am attempting to put this information into this article as an experiment, having been told by colleagues that it is impossible to get accurate information to stick in a Misplaced Pages article on nationalism. I do appreciate your advice and your wisdom. I am beginning to understand this process. Once before we reached consensus. I put the material up. Mr. Pure argumentativeness decided he objected to what he had previously agreed to and took it down. then one of his allies suggested that as newbie I would be best served to politely revert the material and seek further consensus. I did. And here we are, still trying to get it back up. Several rational people have come for a while and given up. Mr. Pure argumentativeness never gives up. I now understand that it is all part of a strategy. What I wonder about is whether it is on the increase? Was Misplaced Pages always this bad? It seems to me that the Misplaced Pages playing field is so badly slanted in favor of highly politicized, obstreperous editors that it drives the well-intentioned away. Who has time for this? Many days, especially when confronted with truly absurd and sometimes vile information that someone is citing to Misplaced Pages, I wholeheartedly wish that Misplaced Pages would simply collapse. The history of Poland on Misplaced Pages is politicized to the point where it would be laughable if it were not being taken seriously by students and the ignorant. I am sure there are other examples. I am by no means certain that the Misplaced Pages "experiment" is a force for good in the world. In too many areas it is a source not merely of misinformation but of race-hatred.Historicist (talk) 04:08, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

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