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User:VirtualSteve/Status

This user has been an admin for 17 years, 6 months and 8 days.

This administrator can and will make difficult blocks if needed.

This user has been on Misplaced Pages for 19 years, 1 month and 19 days.

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Gene Poole block discussion

Where was the discussion that led to the long block? You mention other admins discussing and suggesting an indef block, but I can't find anything on your talk page, his talk page, AN or ANI...

Thanks. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 20:08, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

• Good morning George. I was referring Gene to the previous similar behavior of September 29 this year (indeed stemming from the same types of edits now displayed) where a discussion at ANI titled Block on User:Gene Poole included comments suggesting indefinite block by fellow administrators were posted. Also see my archive 9 for two threads and the enormous disdain created as a result of Gene's behavior.--VS 21:50, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

For what it is worth, I think the block was sound. I fall into the camp that thinks he should be indef. blocked, but respect there are those who would like to see him clean up his act and remain on the project. Hiberniantears (talk) 22:20, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Hiberniantears - I can understand why many are in the same camp of "indefinite block" but I am hoping that a 3 month block will bring him back around - as a last chance plea that he come back to the project with a positive good faith view towards his fellow contributors.--VS 22:32, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

You mean this thread?

I don't see much support there for an indef, no. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 22:50, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

• Combine that post and the archive talk page thread, plus comments in the history such as the one above and you see that many people are reaching final views on Gene. However as I have noted above and in the block post, I think there is still a possibility of "saving" him hence a reference only to other's thoughts of indef block and my block of considerably less. I note that Gene has simply removed the block post from his talk page (adding a poorly worded edit summary) and that he is not requesting unblock at this time.--VS 22:56, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

I feel nothing will change but I'm always hoping he clears up he attitude towards other editors but his removal of comments on his talk page isn't helping him to stay as an Misplaced Pages editor. delete rant by abusive admin and delete trolling/personal attack by michellecrisp. Bidgee (talk) 23:01, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

This dif, as well as this earlier one do not seem to indicate that things will change much. Hiberniantears (talk) 15:15, 20 December 2008 (UTC) Actually, upon further investigation, disregard this. Those were socks of a different editor. Egg... meet face. Hiberniantears (talk) 15:18, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Just a general comment as I haven't looked into this current case extensively (and sorry for the length of this), but taking all the comments here at face value, if Gene has been blocked for behavioural issues and then returns from that block to POINTily resume the same behaviour that got him blocked last time and resume targeting the same users, then it's pretty much standard operating procedure to reblock with escalating blocks, and I'd support such a re-block.

George, I've worked with you a lot over the last few years, both on and off-site, on unblock-en-l, OTRS, cyberstalking-l etc and I'm sincere when I say that this is said with respect, but I've noticed before that you always challenge blocks and other interventions applied to Gene, to such an extent that any time I see that Gene has been blocked again, I think "It won't be long until George takes up that block". I don't recall ever seeing you support any administrative intervention against him and given his disruptive behaviour and your tendency to be a no-nonsense admin who won't abide abuse and harassment, particularly in trying to enforce blocks equitably and wont brook users being harassed on the project and so it always stuns me when you "lead the charge" on questioning and disagreeing with sanctions; what's up with that? Are you and Gene friends or something? If so it might be an idea to leave him to other admins who don't have any sort of bias either way?

I've found Gene's behaviour outrageous since I first became aware of him in 2005-2006, particularly when he used a sockpuppet, User:Centauri to double-support Elonka's RFA and was accused of using socks since mid-2004. At the time of the RFA I was amazed that he wasn't given a lengthy block as others would have been in the same situation. Looking at Gene's and Cetauri's accounts now, I see that you've been interacting with him and supporting him since back then and that you even supported his RfA in January/February 2006. Since then you've advocated on his behalf frequently and I'm really not convinced that you're looking at him as you would if he were any other user. I consider Steve a personal friend and it's possible that my point of view is shaded by that, but my opinions of Gene and his behaviour have not since I first encountered him, long before I became an admin and before I even knew Steve. And so it would just be nice if you could acknowledge any friendship or bias in favour of Gene instead of leaping to his defense each time an administrator tries to hold him to policy and guidelines as though you're a neutral outside observer.

I hope Gene accepts the block now, goes away and thinks about why he was blocked (and no, it's not because he is being victimised by an "abusive admin") and then comes back in the new year and appeals the block. Knowing Steve, I am sure he doesn't want Gene to be blocked, but just wants him to stop his disruptive behaviour and to protect other editors from abuse and harassment. The irony in this is that this is exactly what I usually see you doing to the extent that you put your own bit on the line doing so. I hope in the interests of the project that instead of rejecting sanctions of him, you might reach out and encourage him to agree to stop disruptive behaviour and particularly to avoid the editors he does not get along with. Otherwise I'm sure that a new RFC#Gene and a proposal for community enforced sanctions or another arbitration#Gene are just a heartbeat away. Sarah 04:57, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Also George, sorry for another post, but since you seem to have Gene's ear, I ask you to review and address this User_talk:Gene_Poole/attackrants which is essentially a copy of these deleted pages - User talk:Gene Poole/genepooleisevil and User:Gene Poole/genepooleisevil, also, MFD - Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/User talk:Gene Poole/genepooleisevil and this one - Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/User:Gene Poole/genepooleisevil, Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Archive92#Gene_Pool, User_talk:Newyorkbrad/Archive/2007/Jun#Storm_in_a_teacup and this one where you asked him to stop provoking the named user - User_talk:Gene_Poole/archive_4#User_talk:Gene_Poole.2Fgenepooleisevil. Please also see the edit summary from Brad on the delete page that he would delete the page himself if the comment regarding a certain user was restored, and note that that very edit was restored on the current version posted by Gene. This is patent POINT violation, disruption and mocking of the community and holding it in contempt. As an admin who repeatedly takes up this user's causes and defends him, I ask you, please, would you address this matter. Given the amount of distress these pages have caused to these users and the and disruption to the community in general I find him quietly reposting the page months and months later a blatant and deliberate POINT violation. Sarah 05:28, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Why is my block removal request being declined?

Hi there, I'm not sure if this is where I come to to ask about this block removal but cos I saw your name as the blocking admin thing in the msg that got displayed telling me that I got blocked because of vandalism from some other user whom apparently I might share an IP add with I guess I should give it a try...

Ok first of all I don't quite understand how this whole thing works. I'm quite confused even with the user talk page - how do I reply somebody on the same page, or send them a msg or something like that? Apparently somebody commented that it seems too much of a coincidence that this user having the same IP add as me got blocked and immediately I ask for the block to be removed, especially when the last time I edited anything was about a year ago. I'm not exactly new to Misplaced Pages, I've been reading articles here for a long time already and Wiki is indefinitely useful for almost everything, but as to editing I've to admit that I'm really pretty much foreign to it.

The first and only time that I edited something was on a Pride and Prej page where I corrected a fact the person who put up had apparently gotten wrong. There was no vandalism no abuse no anything of that sort, just an honest edit for an error. I am very angry about the fact now that I'm being blocked as a 'sockpuppet' and that other users have left things on my talk pg like 'am I kidding' and that 'it is too much of a coincidence'. I don't think I've to edit every page I come across right, esp. when there is nothing wrong with them. I don't know in what way is it a coincidence and I'm definitely not kidding about getting my block removed because while I don't often bother with editing, I'm not happy about being blocked (and now for an indefinite amount of time for being a 'sockpuppet'!) for some apparently 'vandalism' which I don't even know of or understand.

May I know if you can assist in anyway or help me get this block removed? I'm quite badly affected by this because I've always trusted Wiki and unfortunately still have to use it for research purposes and knowing that I'm being blocked and snubbed rather unfairly in others' comments is making me rather miserable.

Thanks in advance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Afrocheese (talk • contribs) 16:53, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

• Firstly I have never blocked you as Afrocheese or as IP 218.186.12.219 - indeed the latter IP does not appear to be blocked and you obviously were not blocked as Afrocheese before you came to my talk page to ask me to unblock you. Secondly I note that you have posted an unblock message with my name as the blocking admininistrator by copying an unblock request from the user talk page of Stmgmg (another sock of Cheesetree) - not too convincing when you think on it, is it?--VS 20:38, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Dumb as a brick

but made me chuckle :-) Guy (Help!) 20:41, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

• Yep - I am sitting here with a bewildered smirk on my face also! :-> --VS 20:44, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Rollback?

Please consider me as someone who would handle the rollback privilege with reluctance and care. I'm proud of the work I've been doing here (although I hope I'm not goithing to the fall), and think I could be trusted with it. Thanks for considering me. Steve Pastor (talk) 21:42, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

• Granted per your request. Please see WP:RBK for instructions on use or feel free to ask me! Take it slow, learn more as you go. Cheers!--VS 22:00, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Always go slow! Don't think I'll need it much, but will probably save me a bunch of time down the line. Thanks Steve Pastor (talk) 22:13, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Donor EBM

Hi Steve, Thank you very much for keeping the article Donor EBM, and not deleting it, I would like to keep an interesting fact in it. --173.88.145.154 (talk) 01:10, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

• Well I think it has some potential - but it needs a lot more work - so keep editing.--VS 03:41, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Premature archiving of topic ban discussion

Steve

1. When you archived the discussion at AN/I Guy had not responded to my post "With due respect Guy I think you are mistaken. Personal feelings don't enter the equation. Good science and good wikipeida articles do. Correct me if I'm wrong but your principal argument is that I am unable to work productively with people with an opposing viewpoint. How many diffs would you require to change your mind? Have you seen the strenuous efforts I have made on the acupuncture talkpage and other talkpages to gain consensus from true believers (often as the lone science editor)? Do you know what my ratio of discussion to mainspace edits is? I also don't understand your threat "carry on as you are". Am I not entitled to be judged on evidence? Am I not entitled to put the evidence? This issue is at root a content dispute about acupuncture with an editor who now insists his claims on acupuncture are supported by WHO. I'd be grateful for your considered response.Mccready (talk) 02:05, 20 December 2008 (UTC)"
2. Gladys had not responded.
3. Nihonjoe had not responded in substance.

I'd be grateful if you would reopen the discussion and allow Guy and Gladys time to make considered responses.Mccready (talk) 05:20, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

• Mcready, have a look at the actual final responses of both Gladys and Guy. Also have a look at their talk pages (something I checked first) which clearly shows they had considered your requests at those places and in turn their responses. In my view they are final responses and the consensus is that you remain topic banned - I appreciate that that result p*sses you off a little but like life, that's the breaks sometimes. That said I have a feeling with your obvious energy you will come back (in terms of this topic ban) in a couple of weeks, wiser and even more likely to add to the topic rather than the drama. Believe me the topic, the article and the editors will still be here in 14 days. Of course how you come back is up to you but I hope that positive and more learned is the end result. Thanks for stopping by, best wishes.--VS 06:30, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Steve. Although Guy and Gladys haven't responded to my followups it doesn't look like they intend to at this stage. I'm not pissed off, but I would have hoped admins, once they engage, follow through thoroughly and particularly respond to questions about their reasoning. So I accept your closing of the discussion and your advice to wait a little longer. I must say the quick solution I have proposed all along hasn't been addressed. This would have avoided all this hassle. ie Why not lift the topic ban and reinstate if needed. Hopefully that can be done soon as you intimate.Mccready (talk) 04:12, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

RE: TIGER M Article Deletion. Thanks For The Heads-up VirtualSteve!

Thanks Steve!

Sorry to take so long to respond.

Thank you for being so kind.

Cool beans! =)

We'll get on revamping the article as soon as all possible

After registering better sources

(That is getting an album and 'reason for' set of sources up).

The ending article probably will end up looking something like this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/Kan_Fukumoto

Until this place is better understood. =)

And since it is that anyone can edit most pages here,

why not just let other users "do their thing" with it after its up eh? =)

We'll make the article more neutral.

Oh! Speaking of which so we don't make the same mistake again

(or get tagged for a different "Wiki-offense"):

What is this about "This article's neutrality is disputed" tag on some articles here.

Do we want to make it not "too neutral" or something?

Any link for how to avoid this 'publication citation'

Thanks.

-Angel Arc Publishing Sunday, December, 21, 2008 Minawa, Y. 10:31 AM

• No problems. Also when you see the tag "This article's neutrality is disputed" it is just someone questioning whether a particular article is written from a Neutral Point of View. The link to this information is here. Best wishes. --VS 20:50, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Invincibles

• Nice work YM - best wishes for the Holiday Season also.--VS 02:18, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Err, thanks, full steam ahead on the reports for the others as well. You enjoy yourself as well. I wonder, could you keep an eye on WP:AWNB/A in case my articles get reviewed during the Christmas period as I'll likely be away although it is unlikely that it will be picked up before then. Yes, I have started compiling about 12 of these "XXX with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948". YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 05:19, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

• I'll try to assist where I can YM but I am also away for a few of the days between boxing and 2 Jan.--VS 07:41, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Re: Seasons Greetings

Thank you, and to you as well! Cirt (talk) 11:54, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Steve, the same back to you :). ] (] · ])☺ 11:48, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

All the best, Steve. Have a good one! Scarian 12:10, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. And you, Same to you, Wish you the same . . . Hope 2009 brings more cheer. VasuVR (talk, contribs) 13:36, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, VS! Have a great holiday, and try not to spend it all on the wiki ;) . —Politizer /_contribs 15:28, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks very much VS, and same to you :) Hope it all goes well for you. Orderinchaos 20:32, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

What the guys above me said! =) Lankiveil 22:29, 24 December 2008 (UTC).

Happy Holidays!

Thanks for still remembering me and the wishes. I wish you also have a happy Christmas and a new year. Docku: What up? 13:37, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, and enjoy all your celebrations whatever they may be. The Festivus Seinfeld episode was on last night. So it's definitely a festive time of year. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:13, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Hey, thanks. Best wishes to you as well and I hope you have a great Christmas and a happy new year. Landon1980 (talk) 17:19, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

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Ho ho ho

<insert neutral happy holidays greeting here> Hope it brings endless wealth and happiness to you and yours! :) Cheers mate! Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP! :D} 21:29, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

More ho ho ho!

Steve, you're the best. Thank you for the wonderful holiday greeting. A very merry Christmas to you and yours. See you in '09!  :)) --PMDrive1061 (talk) 23:26, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Happy Holidays

Hi, and thanks for the holiday greetings. I hope you and your family have a safe and happy holiday season as well. Best regards for the new year. ;o) --OliverTwisted (Stuff) 00:57, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Hello VirtualSteve! I just wanted to wish you and your family a merry Christmas! May this Christmas be full of great cheer and holiday spirit. Have a great day and a wonderful New Year, from TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 14:18, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

VirtualSteve,
I wish you and your family all the best this Christmas and that you also have a Happy and safe new year.
Thankyou for all your contributions to Misplaced Pages this year and I look forward to seeing many more from you in the future.
Your work around Misplaced Pages has not gone un-noticed, this notice is testimony to that
Please feel free to drop by my talkpage any time to say Hi, as I will probably say Hi back :)

All the Best.   «l| Ψrometheăn ™|l»  (talk)

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Dear VirtualSteve, I hope you had a wonderful New Year's Day, and that 2009 brings further success and happiness! ~ YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 04:46, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

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