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Robert Eric Wone

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Egregious violation of not only WP:BLP when it comes to the individuals named, but also violation of WP:BLP1E when it comes to Wone himself. He wasn't notable before he died, he still isn't notable. His death is not notable, either. Little Red Riding Hoodtalk 08:46, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

In addition, the names of the other individuals involved are also redirects to this article. I tried db-blp deleting the lot, but my tags were removed. Remove all of them if this is upheld. Little Red Riding Hoodtalk 08:52, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Please WP:RfD those separately, as there's a specific alternate venue for deleting redirects. If the article is deleted, the redirects should be deleted as routine maintenance, but it's possible that the redirects (from the suspects' names) could be deleted while the article is kept. Jclemens (talk) 09:47, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

• Keep and Rename to Murder of Robert Eric Wone, as Speedy decliner on the redirects. I will stipulate that Wone was not notable prior to his murder, but the event and its aftermath are still getting press more than two years later. There are several additional RS not yet added to the article which are referenced in the BLP/N thread--I'll add them soon. Jclemens (talk) 09:47, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
  • Comment The article has been substantially expanded and cited per my above promise to do so. It's still a bit rough, but there's plenty more coverage to add, if anyone else wants to pitch in. Jclemens (talk) 19:45, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
• Keep and Rename per Jclemens. A quick Google News search brings up loads of articles on it in just the past month, and taken together with the stuff written about it at the time that adds up to significant coverage and therefore notability. BLP1E is alleviated by the rename, and the only other potential for BLP concern I can see is that there's no cite given directly to the Affadavit section which talks about their sexual relationships. That paragraph should be sourced or removed, but the whole article needn't be deleted for that. Olaf Davis (talk) 11:46, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
  • I've removed one statement I couldn't find a source for immediately and cited the rest of that paragraph. Olaf Davis (talk) 12:03, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
• Keep or rename per above - Possibly could be notable enough before murder, but murder is one of more unusal in DC history, so rename at least. Thank you, --Tom 16:24, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Washington, D.C.-related deletion discussions. —Jclemens (talk) 22:12, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. —Jclemens (talk) 22:14, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sexuality and gender-related deletion discussions. —- ✰ALLST☆R✰ 22:53, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
• Keep, do not rename - Of course this is notable. It has received considerable coverage in the DC, gay and Asian American press. It should not be renamed as the standard for such incidents where the victim was not notable is to name the victim, thus Rodney King not Beating and trial of attackers of Rodney King and Vincent Chin not Beating and death of Vincent Chin. This case suffers from a distinct lack of coverage outside of DC, LGBT and Asian American outlets, precisely because of the sensitive topics covered by the incident. The nominator has even removed the name of the victim from list of murders in August 2006, which I choose not to contest, but nevertheless object to. This would set a very, very bad precedent which has the effect of helping to keep case like in obscurity, to claim that WP is bound to a "higher standard" where suspects cannot be named, even if they are named in almost every press account of the murder, and every story where Wone is named, they were the ones who invited the victim to their home, were longtime friends and associates and were the first to report the murder to authorities, and maintain their innocence in the face of charges. Please withdraw this nomination.Bachcell (talk) 17:05, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
  • Good point. Matthew Shepherd and Jesse Dirkhising were neither notable before their respective deaths. Consensus in crime victim article naming does seem to favor naming the victim when the preponderance of media coverage has identified the incident with the victim. Jclemens (talk) 17:27, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
  • Interesting this case has some aspects of the Jesse Dirkhising case, but has not yet been picked up by conservative activists in that the background of the killers is similarly politically sensitive. When created, this article indicated that it had been deleted before, evidently on similar grounds, and I have seen similar instances such as Rozita Swinton (the person suspected of a fradulent phone call leading to the raid of a Texas ranch) where a person with extensive media coverage is claimed to be not notable, with the effect of suppressing coverage on the basis of harming a living person. Bachcell (talk) 17:39, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
• Delete - Let's do a thought experiment. Remove everything about the crime from this article. What's left? About a paragraph in the Life section, after removing multiple bits about his death from there, also. In short, he's not notable, and the article is a coatrack to discuss the investigation of the murder and following legal proceedings. From that point, we could write an article about the murder, etc. but there's not much to go with there, either. It's yet another unsolved murder, the only interesting bit is the accusations of evidence tampering. There's also a lot of undue weight given to pointing out the supposed behaviors of the accused (whom I note are not convicted yet, and should have the consideration of BLP as well). As to the comments about famous crimes, I don't see how this compares at all to the televised assault on Rodney King or the brutal and pivotal murder of Matthew Shepherd. There just isn't enough here to satisfy WP:BLP1E for an article on Wone, and I'm dubious about being able to satisfy WP:N for the murder itself. — The Hand That Feeds You: 01:31, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
• Keep, do not rename - Enough of this political correct nonsense on Misplaced Pages, to silence the violent crimes of rape and murder, committed by homosexuals against innocent heterosexuals. Enough is enough. Caden S (talk) 04:57, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

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