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London Meetup - January 12, 2008

Hi! There's going to be a London Misplaced Pages Meetup coming Saturday January 12, 2008. If you are interested in coming along take part in the discussion over a Misplaced Pages:Meetup/London7. The discussion is going on until tomorrow evening and the official location and time will be published at the same page late Thursday or early Friday. Hope to see you Saturday, Poeloq (talk) 01:44, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Abuse, eh?

Protecting a userpage that has been vandalized is abuse? It's generally uncouth to edit userpages, so I'm curious as to how abuse occurred. Are you going to unprotect my userpage as well? the_undertow 01:43, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, yes. I hope my reasoning was "bloody good" enough for you. Lara❤Love 04:07, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

I suggest you read the protection policy, because users can protect their userspace if they like. Ryan Postlethwaite 05:29, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Indefinite full protection is a serious measure which may only be applied to certain important pages. Not whimsical user sub-pages. So yes, it was an abuse of the feature. If the intent was to protect against vandalism, temporary protection was appropriate. Otherwise, policy is that the only protection that may be applied indefinitely to user pages is semi-protection. -- Earle Martin 15:22, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

If that is the case, why didn't you just semi it in the first place? Or was that not the bloody consensus on the mailing list? the_undertow 01:33, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

I only found that out yesterday. However, my first instinct, that indefinite full protection was inappropriate, was correct. -- Earle Martin 10:58, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

skyscraper hotels

I notice you created the Category:Skyscraper hotels page. Question - I'm thinking about creating an article for that is being built in my hometown. Would that qualify to be listed in the skyscraper hotel category or does it have to be an all-hotel tower, not hotel/condo?--AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 06:55, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

It's a skyscraper, it has a hotel in it - sounds fine, go for it! Maybe if the category gets much bigger in the future it would need to be split into pure-hotel towers and otherwise, but that's not necessary at the moment. Cheers, -- Earle Martin 15:27, 31 January 2008 (UTC).

Misplaced Pages local wiki (wikimetro.org) feedback request

I am a Wiki developer, have spent the past 12 months developing wikimetro.org in asp.net as a local wiki and would like to ask for (expert) feedback. www.wikimetro.org a local wiki 04:20, 29 February 2008 (UTC) Jeff Brauer

Sorry for any inconvenience caused Thanks and Regards, Jeff

London Meetup - Sunday May 11th

Hi Earle. I think we met at a wiki wednesday gathering a while back... unless I'm confusing you with someone else.

Anyway we're hoping to have regular meetups for wikipedia enthusiasts in London. The next one is this Sunday lunchtime (May 11th) see Misplaced Pages:Meetup/London 9. in Holborn. Come along! -- Harry Wood (talk) 15:23, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks. Mandsford (thanks) 00:04, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Zarganar

Hi Earl,

Thanks for starting Zarganar's page.

I've just made an edit to his birth name. Although his birthname is often reported as Maung Thura or Maung Thuya, "Maung" isn't a given name. (Just like "U" in U (Mr) Thant and like "Daw" in Daw (Ms (not Mrs)) Aung San Suu Kyi.) Maung is simply an honorific for young males--similar to "Master" in British English.

Regards, Hybernator (talk) 23:11, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Invitation to Misplaced Pages meetup in London

Date: 13:00 onwards, Sunday 10 August 2008

Venue: Penderel's Oak pub, Holborn WC1 map

More information: Misplaced Pages:Meetup/London 12

Hello,

I noticed that you have listed yourself as a Wikipedian in London, so I thought you might like to come to one of our monthly social meetups. The next one is going to be on Sunday 10 August, which might well be rather short notice, but if you can't come this time, we try to have one every second Sunday of the month.

If you haven't been before, these meetups are mainly casual social events for Misplaced Pages enthusiasts in which we chat about Misplaced Pages and any other topics we fancy. It's a great way to meet some very keen Wikipedians, but we'd also love for you to come along if you're interested in finding out more about Misplaced Pages, other Wikimedia projects, or other collaborative wiki projects too.

The location is a pub that is quite quiet and family friendly on a Sunday lunchtime, so hopefully younger Wikipedians will also feel welcome and safe. Alcohol consumption is certainly not required!

Although the meetups are popular, many UK-based editors still don't know about them. It would be great to welcome some fresh faces, so I hope you can come along.

Yours,

James F. (talk) 09:27, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Please forgive the slightly impersonal mass-invite!

Oxford Wikimania 2010 and Wikimedia UK v2.0 Notice

Hi,

As a regularly contributing UK Wikipedian, we were wondering if you wanted to contribute to the Oxford bid to host the 2010 Wikimania conference. Please see here for details of how to get involved, we need all the help we can get if we are to put in a compelling bid.

We are also in the process of forming a new UK Wikimedia chapter to replace the soon to be folded old one. If you are interested in helping shape our plans, showing your support or becoming a future member or board member, please head over to the Wikimedia UK v2.0 page and let us know. We plan on holding an election in the next month to find the initial board, who will oversee the process of founding the company and accepting membership applications. They will then call an AGM to formally elect a new board who after obtaining charitable status will start the fund raising, promotion and active support for the UK Wikimedian community for which the chapter is being founded.

You may also wish to attend the next London meet-up at which both of these issues will be discussed. If you can't attend this meetup, you may want to watch Misplaced Pages:Meetup, for updates on future meets.

We look forward to hearing from you soon, and we send our apologies for this automated intrusion onto your talk page!

Addbot (talk) 22:43, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Closure

First, I understand you closing it, even though you commented in the discussion, since it has been open awhile. That said, whenever that's been done in the past, the closer typically notes that in the close.

Also, I think that some things were learned in the discussion, so I intend to follow it up with a CFD more specific to each category. - jc37 21:42, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

If you do so, it will be an extension of the horrendously premature attempted optimization that your previous CFD was. I will watch it with interest. -- Earle Martin 22:02, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Horrendous? So much for my good faith of your closure. Perhaps you're right, and DRV would be the better course. Not certain yet. - jc37 22:10, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Regardless of my opinion on the matter, the lack of consensus was blindingly obvious. I put it out of its misery after three weeks. If you want to try again, you're entitled to. -- Earle Martin 22:15, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Nominated. - jc37 01:06, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

WP:AN discussion

As a user who contributed to the discussion concerning Koavf (talk · contribs), you're invited to comment at Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard#Specific_Sanctions_-_proposals also. Thanks - Ncmvocalist (talk) 04:56, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Re: October 2008

With all due respect, I am just correcting a factual error, and whoever is reverting it is pushing their own incorrect opinion that the usage of "PERL" in all caps is wrong, when the author of the language himself defined the expansion for it, which also appears in the offical documentation, so what more proof is needed? It's not me who is pushing opinion, it's the people who keep changing my edits. Getly (talk) 19:31, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Yo Dawg!

Re: Istighfar

I am Muslim myself, and I know very well what it is. However, not every concept within Islam merits its own individual article. Unless somebody is willing to bring up some sort of sources or citation to move that article beyond a stub - indeed you were correct in pointing out that it was mostly copy paste material - then I don't think it really needs its own article.
Also, please be mindful of WP:NPA as your comments to me were rather insulting. It's one thing to disagree with a user's tagging of articles, it's another thing entirely to attack the knowledge of a person whom you don't even know. MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:24, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Unblock

Earle, I reviewed the situation at the List of eponymous laws article, and you're currently over 3RR. Since there seems to have been some confusion as to whether you were or weren't an uninvolved admin here, I'm reluctant to issue a 3RR block on you. But based on what I'm seeing here, you are very involved in this "Poe's law" content dispute, and have been for some time. As soon as you get into back and forth reverts, and especially where reasonable editors at the talkpage are opposed to what you're doing, you start slipping into the "content dispute" side of things, and run afoul of WP:UNINVOLVED. You're welcome to continue to engage in discussion on this dispute, but please don't use your tools anymore, k? Blocking your opponent, Tmtoulouse (talk · contribs), was a bad idea, and he should be unblocked. Also, please try to ease off on the "revert" button, and just stick to the talkpage for awhile. Misplaced Pages is not going to implode if there's one questionable entry on a list page for awhile. I'll also add the article to my watchlist, so if I can help, please let me know. Thanks. --Elonka 22:27, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for looking into this. I'll hop over to the other user talk page where I see there's been some discussion going on. -- Earle Martin 17:21, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Edits

Inserted comments on my talk page.69.106.253.165 (talk) 21:09, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Now that we are friends ...

If you're an admin, here are some things I'd like changed. For those you agree with, please pass them on - do whatever admins do to effect change. Thanks, 69.106.253.165 (talk) 16:59, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

1.-------------- There are more and more articles with more than 100 references. The algorithm to display those n references runs in something like (n/4)**2 time since, in the 2 column case, for every 2nd addition to the references displayed all preceeding references are reformatted to balance the two columns. This may be no big deal given the latest & best computer, but on a slower machine n squared algorithms take a long time as n approaches 100 or more.

Options. a) Most of the time I don't care about the refrences, would be happy if the were displayed only if I clicked on that section or if I clicked on a reference number. b) change the algorithm to balance the columns only after all references are displayed. c) change the display; instead of balanced use alternating columns: for a 2 column display the odd numbered would be in the left column, even in the right, both columns in ascending order. And so on for more than 2 columns.

2.-------------- "What links here" used to be useful in understanding the tree, locating related articles, in maintaining the intelligence represented by the category tree. No more; the flood of templates has buried the interesting links - with every article that uses a template listed as linking to everything in that template there are now hundreds of links - useless.

Please change "What links here" to list templates once and to NOT list any uses of a template. If I want to know who uses the template, I should be able to go to the template's page and click "What links here".

3.--------------- Even after several years of editing, I have a difficult time using the Misplaced Pages editing reference material to answer my own questions, to locate templates, etc. I need a map, a short summary in one article of all those editing documents, that I can go to as a starting point and click to move to the article I need. My difficulties may relate to my age, 71 or so I'm told, never-the-less the difficulties are real. This user page, User:R. S. Shaw, has been the most help, but I really want a summary (brief table of contents?) of the various editing articles in one document. And that Shaw had to create his own quide should be a "proof by example" that the Misplaced Pages Help/Edit documents are missing something.

4.--------------- Not every article needs a template, let alone two or three, and no article needs the "Internet memes" template. How do we slow down the template stuffers?

5.--------------- Users updating an article often copy it to their user page or sandbox. Sometimes they never complete their edits, just leaving the article in the user page. Possibly they complete the edit but don't delete it from their user page. The result is that category pages list those user pages since, of course, the pages contain the catalog entries. For those categories I'm cleaning up I can either edit the user page, inserting the ":" or correspond with the user, both being a nuisance for me and the user.

Please change the category pages, at least in the "general public" area of Misplaced Pages, to not include user pages.

end-------------- Thanks again, 69.106.253.165 (talk) 16:59, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Complaint to an admin re Thomas J. Watson page

That page now has the text "After the outbreak of The Second World War, Watson returned the medal, and the German government tried to take ownership of the Dehomag operation, but it in fact, the Third Reich was unable to make the punch cards in Germany and so unable to execute the Holocaust without the support of the NY office of IBM."

The claim that Germany was unable to execute the Holocaust without the support of IBM is patently false. Never mind the debate about whether IBM did/did not do something, the text states "unable to execute the Holocaust without the support of ...IBM" and that is nonsense at first reading.

I know this has been a long, long, struggle for Misplaced Pages; seems it's not over yet. Please do whatever needs to be done to raise the issue again.

thanks 69.106.245.45 (talk) 07:39, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Re 69.106...

I've moved your comments & my response to User talk Rwwww (didn't make that a link, don't want a forever link from your archive). Please use that page for any new comments/responses. Thanks 69.106.245.45 (talk) 15:34, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

User talk:BlassFamily

Hello again, we have another image nut here and he didn't take notice of his prior one week block. I have no idea if it's a sock puppet, none the less, this user's uploads are disruptive. Would it be possible your you to pay him a little visit, be it a verbal warning or something more severe? It would be appreciated, I'm getting quite tired of tagging his images. — Realist 21:58, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Hello. WillOakland (talk)

Notice of ANI

As required by policy, I’ve filed an ANI here for your repeated censoring of my posts. Greg L (talk) 23:58, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Welcome to the great MOSNUM date delinking debacle, enjoy your stay and don't forget to tip your waitress. —Locke Cole • t • c 03:13, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Yippee! -- Earle Martin 09:48, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Date delinking arbitration

I've started a request at Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration#Date delinking which you may wish to comment on. —Locke Cole • t • c 06:40, 10 January 2009 (UTC)