Misplaced Pages

verses

Hiya,

you recently voted to keep or merge per Uncle G at Misplaced Pages:Votes for deletion/Matthew 1:verses

however, that VfD concerned only the verses from Matthew 1, wheras Uncle G's proposal covered a much larger group of verses.

would you be prepared to make a similar vote at Misplaced Pages:Votes for deletion/Individual Bible verses, which covers the full list of verses in Uncle G's suggestion?

~~~~ 9 July 2005 15:21 (UTC)

Hasty pudding: a plea for clemency

Yes, the article you put up for VfD deserved it. But please reconsider it now. Hasty pudding is what built America! Okay, it's not, and that isn't such a selling point these days anyway, but I've been making the pitiful gruel into a real pudding, so please reconsider. --Mothperson 01:09, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Thank you thank you. I'm not done yet. --Mothperson 02:50, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Deletion? Why, that's an accurate recipe.

You need to explain why.

The warning is accurate too; hasty pudding can be dangerous if someone just goes in and gorges himself on it.

I can modify its wording, but that don't change the facts; if that's the reason for deletion, fine, but don't forget to delete anything about common kitchen cleaners or paint.

WB2 06:18, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Oh, and I have a BA from UCSD . At the time Harvard was considered inferior to UCSD, so I chose not to attend, though I was begged by my friends to do so. WB2 06:40, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Reply at questioner's talk page. Xoloz 07:00, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Oh, eewwww. I'm taking the stupid recipe out. If you haven't done so already. So many nuts rolling around here, and I'm a nut, so I know whereof I speak. --Mothperson 14:30, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

a note

Unfortunately, when you start a paragraph with a space, rather than a letter, it tries to put it all in a frame and fit it all on one line. This makes it somewhat unreadable. ~~~~ 11:34, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, I was wondering why it did that.

Electric Universe model

Aside from the question of whether Galileo was unjustly persecuted, what is your opinion on the Electric Universe Model vfd? DS 21:43, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Reply at questioner's talk page. Xoloz 21:55, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Votes for deletion/Historical Jesus

You voted on the above. Your comments suggest that you may not have compared the article Historical Jesus to the article New Testament view on Jesus' life. The Historical Jesus article explicitely states in it's opening paragraph that it "presents a critical reconstruction of the Historical Jesus, as based on the four canonical gospels", and therefore I would suggest that it constitutes a POV fork of New Testament view on Jesus' life. Could you possibly review your vote? ~~~~ 17:37, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Deletion votes -- Kinsella

You voted to delete Stephan Kinsella for vanity; please note the entry has been revised by others and is very neutral now. If you don't change your vote, then applying your standards consistently, wouldn't you also vote against Tom G. Palmer, which is even worse vanity (and mine is now completely objective, not vanity at all)? Stephan Kinsella 15:54, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Response (and further dialogue) is available at questioner's talk page. Xoloz 04:12, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks Xoloz. I am souring on this whole Misplaced Pages thing. Wikinfo sounds more promising. What does Daddy X think? Stephan Kinsella 05:25, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

So you are flaming liberal, eh? Why? Curious, can you point me to any serious intellectual work that you admire or rely on to justify the institutionalized violence against the lives, bodies, and property of innocent people (as we libertarians see your liberal policies), that liberalism favors? I am not trying to argue with or flame you; just curious if you could point to one or three authors or writings who are reasonable, coherent, sensible, and who attempt sincerely to set forth a justification for the aggression that must underly liberal polcies. (simplest examples--taxes require forcible theft of property, to support welfare and other state programs; legal penalties for having dissenting views on affirmative action etc.) Stephan Kinsella 18:56, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

It appears I never replied to Mr. Kinsella, whose question was posted shortly after my grandmother died, for which I am sorry. Xoloz 15:26, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

The other side of the story

Because User talk:Ombudsman is still on my watchlist, I happened to see that you had asked him about his veiled accusations on the "thought police" VfD. Since I'm the target of those accusations, I'd appreciate getting the chance to voice my side of the story, as well. -- Antaeus Feldspar 23:04, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Well, Ombudsman's made it a bit easier on me by making his accusations more explicit, here. A number of articles that he created, or in one case converted from an already-merged redirect, have been put up for VfD recently. His belief is that these are "undeserved" VfDs, which are being taken because of a conflict he and I have had over New Freedom Commission on Mental Health, where he insists that NFCMH must go in the "See Also" list of the mind control article because it is so clearly connected with mind control and yet in the NFCMH article attempts to minimize mention of what he insisted was a clear connection.

My 'side of the story' is really just that there is no vendetta, no sneaky ulterior motive such as he is trying to claim. For every VfD he lists as part of this campaign (save the one for Holonomic brain theory), the reason I put it up for VfD is the reason that I stated at the beginning of the VfD: Moral compass is a POV fork; Thought police is a blatant POV fork; Elliott Valenstein is openly partisan and its subject gets just 138 Google hits. The reason I can't speak for the motivations behind the VfD of Holonomic brain theory is that I didn't start it and in fact haven't even voted in it; whether Ombudsman believes that Aaron Brenneman is also part of this alleged campaign against him and if so why, I'm not qualified to say. However, I just wanted to take the chance to rebut his accusations that any of these VfDs were conducted in bad faith. -- Antaeus Feldspar 18:19, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

1000000000000000000

Hi Xoloz. In Misplaced Pages:Votes for deletion/1000000000000000000, I noticed you voted to delete the article 1000000000000000000. Could you please look into Misplaced Pages:Votes for deletion/1000000000000000000 (number)? Thanks. --A D Monroe III 01:13, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon, CC

Hi,

She is actually listed as Her Majesty The Queen Mother Queen Elizabeth on the official Order of Canada page. However, for my List of Companions of the Order of Canada, I generally put the name of the Misplaced Pages article (without re-directs). So that it why I have Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon. If you feel it is inaccurate you are welcome to change it.

--YUL89YYZ 12:03, August 15, 2005 (UTC)

Equipoise

The best thing to come out of the debate about Ashley Burns' death was that I learned a great new word, equipoise, thanks to you. That's what I assume you meant, although you actually wrote "equipose", which seems to be some sort of drug. Or perhaps .... naah! Cheers JackofOz 04:46, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Rotblat

I've altered Rotblat's death date in his own article based on your change to Deaths in September/August. There really should be some mechanism for making any date changes automatically flow through to other relevant pages, without having to rely on frail human memory. We live in hope. Cheers JackofOz 03:20, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Line of Succession

No problem. And I'll try to continue my record of never making any mistakes myself (don't believe anyone who says otherwise). Mateo SA | talk 19:26, September 4, 2005 (UTC)

Hendrikje (Schipper) Van Andel

Like Zerbey some months ago you have moved her name from the format appropriate to the language in which the article is written to the format appropriate in her native land.I think a consistent nomenclature is more useful than reflecting local usages,and said as much then (did you look up the talk page?).--Louis Epstein/le@put.com/12.144.5.2 01:55, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

John Roberts

No problem. --MikeJ9919 06:45, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Dames etc.

Er, see Deaths in January 2005, Deaths in February 2005, Deaths in April 2005, Deaths in June 2005 and Deaths in July 2005 for examples of 'sirs'. There are also a number of instances of Rev, Dr and various ranks in RD for 2005. But the titles of Sir or Dame are not an optional extra like these - it is to all intents and purposes an integral part of the name. To miss it off is illogical and incorrect. She is no longer ever again Ms Charles, as leaving it off would imply, but Dame Eugenia. Cheers. -- Necrothesp 14:30, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

There's been a lot of inconsistency about making the title a part of the link or not. The same throughout Misplaced Pages. But it is correct to use them. Having said that, the British press is none too careful either. I've seen plenty of references on the BBC website to, for instance, Mr Holm, when in fact he should only ever be Sir Ian (but never, ever Sir Holm, which Americans seem to be particularly fond of - although he would be Lord Holm, and never Lord Ian, if he were made a peer - confusing eh!). In answer to your question, "Knight Commander of the British Empire" and "Knight Commander of the Order of the British Empire" are both commonly used. I'd probably use the former, although purists may use the latter, or even go the whole hog and write "Knight Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire". Even I'm not that anal ;). Cheers. -- Necrothesp 15:13, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Your input is requested

at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Roflcopter (again). — Phil Welch 22:57, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Alan Truscott

Looks like you are correct. With all the poker player and bridge player that are popping up, maybe there should be a {{cards-bio-stub}} or somesuch. siafu 11:39, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Lists of songs

I am writing because you contributed to the discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:Centralized discussion/Lists of songs. I have made a policy proposal at User:Wahoofive/Lists of songs and would welcome your comments. —Wahoofive (talk) 03:42, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Fuck the South 2

Sir, it sounds as though the reason you believe this article (Fuck the South) should be kept is because: 1) the site is notable due to how illustrative it is of the depth of the divide between red & blue states (per Unfocused); 2) you endorse the site; 3) the site prevented your suicide; 4) the article is not an attack page, as the South is akin to Nazi Germany; and 5) this is not just a hate site, because it pertains to your forefathers. Please correct me if I am mistaken.

I would like to say, with the deepest empathy to your and your ancestors' pasts, that all but the first are specious arguments in regards to the importance of this article within Misplaced Pages, and the first is itself under debate. The second does not have any bearing on the article's actual importance; many people vote to keep non-notable bands that they like in Misplaced Pages, even though they fail WP:MUSIC. The articles are always deleted, and should be. The third, although it must be important to you in a great way, does not relate to a standard that will allow this article's existence. Personal feelings, important as they are in all aspects of real life, do not have a place in an encyclopedia (imagine a version of the Encyclopedia Brittanica that said things like, "John Doe is such and such, and he is a great man, perhaps the greatest in the world"). The fourth is thoroughly your opinion, is thus your point of view, and I would say entirely inaccurate: that is a judgement of an entire region as filled with Nazis, and is horrible in the same way that a Southern racist's discrimination of all black people is horrible. Also remember that an article saying, "Nazism is bad," however true that may be, is not quantifiable, is an opinion, and is thus not neutral or worthy of being in an encyclopedia. (Note: I think that reading Godwin's law might be a good idea in terms of using such inflammatory comparisons in the future). The fifth is logically false, and even if it were true, does not prove this article notable enough to warrant an entry.

Misplaced Pages is not a soapbox. Please consider your personal feelings and how they relate to building a good, accurate, encyclopedia. I advise you to read WP:5P and WP:NOT thoroughly. I can understand how much anger you feel against the South, but it is not a good reason to have Misplaced Pages abandon its sensibilities and keep an article because one hates something.

I hope you understand that I write this with the best intentions. Good luck, and my regards. Sincerely, --Blackcap | talk 06:58, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

• Quite lengthy reply, which I hope resolves what I feel is a misunderstanding, is at Blackcap's talk page. Xoloz 08:44, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

• • 'Lo mate, I've replied over here. --Blackcap | talk 16:44, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Hi, Xoloz.

I think my point is that I believe that we cannot judge everyone in a region based on how the region as a whole voted (ignoring the closeness of the election) anymore than we can judge all members of an ethnic group based on actions of some members of that group. To take up your Nazi metaphor, this is like judging all Germans based on actions of Nazis.

Sure, we have racists. So does every state in the US. Sure, we have Bible thumpers, and politicians catering to them by putting the ten commandments in public buildings (Our own city is guilty of this one and has been challenged once and will be again.) But there are good people in and from the South. Liberals, pagans, intellectuals. Sometimes they/we are not vocal enough which can tend to give the impression that the South is full of flyers of the Confederate Battle Flag who think Bush can walk on water.

If you looked at the first AfD page, you saw my initial negative rant regarding the page, and you saw my eventual non-delete vote. (Some of this is here.) I gave it a lot of thought. I like to think I'm fair minded and I try to be.

No agenda on my part - I'm not politicking one way or another. Just wanted to let you have my viewpoint. WCFrancis 02:24, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Lengthy response is at WCFrancis' talk page. Xoloz 07:30, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. It is a delight to meet you, in spite of the subject of our conversation. I think that we feel similarly regards my adopted home and your birthhome, within the limitations imposed by other accidents of bith. We expressed our feelings differently a the AfD page but this conversation has helped me understand. Thanks again.WCFrancis 13:00, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Color AfD's

Hi. The mass of colors you had voted to undelete has been undeleted and relisted as individual AfD's. Cheers! -- BDAbramson 01:17, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

A reply

Why do you hate the South? I stopped hating them after Katrina, although I still dislike thier racism and fundamentalism. Are you black?--HistoricalPisces 18:07, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Reply at questioner's talk page. Xoloz 15:26, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Benedictine Monasteries

What do you mean changing it again? The FEMALE Benedictine abbey at Ferdinand, Indiana has it beat by over 100 years. (posted by an anon. IP)

Turns out the questioner was correct, as this disputed tidbit was resolved by others at Recent Death's talk page. Still, the anon. could use some lessons in politeness, and sourcing. :) Xoloz 15:30, 5 October 2005 (UTC)