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I've withdrawn the William nomination to make this nomination, which I was pushing through GA and FA as fast as I could to make it here in time for the tercentenary of Rogers' rescue of Alexander Selkirk, which is a significant date because that is what he is best known for (his biography is called "Crusoe's Captain"). Six points for centennial. I'm not claiming main page rep points because of the Sturt article on November 11, about a mariner.--] (]) 00:38, 28 January 2009 (UTC) | I've withdrawn the William nomination to make this nomination, which I was pushing through GA and FA as fast as I could to make it here in time for the tercentenary of Rogers' rescue of Alexander Selkirk, which is a significant date because that is what he is best known for (his biography is called "Crusoe's Captain"). Six points for centennial. I'm not claiming main page rep points because of the Sturt article on November 11, about a mariner.--] (]) 00:38, 28 January 2009 (UTC) | ||
*'''Support''' - A great connection to a famous fictional person and book. I had no idea that there was a true story behind '']''. —] (]) 02:22, 28 January 2009 (UTC) | |||
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Summary chart
Currently accepting requests from February 1 to March 3.
Date | Article | Points | Notes |
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Feb 1 | Woodes Rogers | 6 | Tercentenary of best known event in his life |
Feb 12 | History of evolutionary thought | 2 | 200th anniversary of Darwin's birth |
Feb 14 | 300 (film) | 1-2 | 2-year anniversary of being shown at Berlin festival |
Feb 15 | No Way Out (2004) | 2-4 | 5th anniversary. May be replaced by any FA regardless of points (Rule 1) |
Feb 19 | Third Battle of Kharkov | 1 | Anniversary start of battle. |
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February 1
Woodes Rogers (ca. 1679 – 15 July 1732, Nassau, Bahamas) was an English sea captain, privateer and later the first Royal Governor of the Bahamas. He is also known as the captain of the vessel that rescued Alexander Selkirk who was fictionalized by Daniel Defoe as Robinson Crusoe.
Rogers came from an affluent seafaring family, grew up in Poole and Bristol, and served a marine apprenticeship to a Bristol sea captain. His father, who held shares in many ships, died when Rogers was in his mid-twenties, leaving Rogers in control of the family shipping business. In 1707, Rogers was approached by Captain William Dampier, who sought support for a privateering voyage against the Spanish, with whom the British were at war. Rogers led the expedition, which consisted of two well-armed ships, the Duke and the Duchess, and was the captain of the Duke. In three years, Rogers and his men went around the world, capturing several ships in the Pacific Ocean. En route, the expedition rescued Selkirk, finding him on Juan Fernandez Island on 1 February 1709.(more….)I've withdrawn the William nomination to make this nomination, which I was pushing through GA and FA as fast as I could to make it here in time for the tercentenary of Rogers' rescue of Alexander Selkirk, which is a significant date because that is what he is best known for (his biography is called "Crusoe's Captain"). Six points for centennial. I'm not claiming main page rep points because of the Sturt article on November 11, about a mariner.--Wehwalt (talk) 00:38, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
- Support - A great connection to a famous fictional person and book. I had no idea that there was a true story behind Robinson Crusoe. —Mattisse (Talk) 02:22, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
February 12
History of evolutionary thought traces the history of the idea that species change over time, which has roots in antiquity, in the ideas of the Greeks, Romans, Chinese and Muslims. However, until the 18th century, Western biological thinking was dominated by essentialism, the idea that living forms are unchanging. This started to change when, during the Enlightenment, evolutionary cosmology and the mechanical philosophy spread from the physical sciences to natural history. Naturalists began to focus on the variability of species; the emergence of paleontology with the concept of extinction further undermined the static view of nature. In the early 19th century, Jean-Baptiste Lamarck proposed his theory of the transmutation of species, which was the first fully formed scientific theory of evolution. In 1858, Charles Darwin and Alfred Russel Wallace published a new evolutionary theory, which was explained in detail in Darwin's On the Origin of Species (1859). Unlike Lamarck, Darwin proposed common descent and a branching tree of life. The theory was based on the idea of natural selection, and it synthesized a broad range of evidence from animal husbandry, biogeography, geology, morphology, and embryology. Darwin's work led to the rapid acceptance of evolution, but the mechanism he proposed, natural selection, was not widely accepted until the 1940s.(more….)Nominated as part of an effort ( see HoS newsletter) by the History of science wikiproject to get suitable content on the main page for Darwin day 2009. Because Feb 12 is the 200th anniversary of Darwin's birth, and because the 150th anniversary of the publication of Origin of Species is coming later this year there will be a lot of press attention to related topics around this time. For an early example see the January issue of Scientific American. I think it is important that we have an appropriate article for Darwin day this year, and both Charles Darwin and Evolution have already appeared on the main page, and natural selection and Origin of Species are not yet FA. Hopefully Origin will be FA by the 150th anniversary of its publication in November.
Points = 2 - 1 for basic subject matter and 1 for relevent date. (Note this issue was resolved on talk page)
- Support for this excellent article; and support for its highly appropriate date. Macdonald-ross (talk) 16:00, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
- Support. The main happenings of Darwin Day, it should be noted, are more oriented around Darwin's legacy (i.e. evolutionary biology) than just the life of Darwin himself.--ragesoss (talk) 16:35, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
- Comment it was nominated as 2 points. The date of Darwin's birth would only get centennial points for an article on Darwin. If it is claimed as a 7 point article it needs to get off the page, as a five plus article, it is still ineligible to be run.--Wehwalt (talk) 17:01, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
- I have returned it to 2 points as that was the consensus from the talk page after an extensive pre-nomination debate. I still believe it probably should be 3 points because I don't consider Alfred Russel Wallace to be a truly similar article. However, given the importance of the date I would rather just have this up here to get peoples reactions to the idea of using this article for that date rather than having yet another pointless argument about points. Rusty Cashman (talk) 17:43, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
- Pointless point arguments? What else would we have to discuss on this page if we couldn't argue about points? Seriously though, I think Wehwalt's use of "ineligible" is grossly over-interpreting the new wording which begins "Please consider waiting". To me "please" denotes a request, which if it is not appropriate can be ignored, rather than an order or a rule, which cannot be ignored. Smallbones (talk) 20:11, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
- Some suggestions are stronger than others. If there were a consensus that this was a 5+ (or even a 4 point) article I wouldn't have nominated it this early because I would have been certain there would be no problem. However, since it seemed like the only number we were going to all agree on was 2 points, I wanted to nominate it as early as possible, because I do believe it is essential for Misplaced Pages to pick an article with a tie in to Darwin day this year. Points do matter, but I think reaching a consensus on the right article to honor an important 200th anniversary matters more. Rusty Cashman (talk) 21:14, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
- Guideline or rule, it is new, and this is the first article to fall under it, and I don't think it would be a good idea to start out by ignoring it. There's no need to. Right now, there's a lull on this page, I rather doubt it will be replaced, and why not respect the rule until it becomes a problem? I'd hate to see it fall to a dead letter on day 1.--Wehwalt (talk) 21:49, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
- I agree with you on the importance of the suggestion, and if a 5 point article is ever nominated this early I will join you in recommending that the nomination be withdrawn until the appropriate time. However, unless you are going to change your mind about the points :) I don't see that argument applying to this nomination. Also I hope you don't mind that I indented your previous comment one level more for clarity. Rusty Cashman (talk) 22:31, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
- Don't mind in the least. As someone had changed the points to 7, I felt it appropriate to start the discussion. I tend to read the points strictly, as we know, but I feel taking that position is useful.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:33, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
- I agree with you on the importance of the suggestion, and if a 5 point article is ever nominated this early I will join you in recommending that the nomination be withdrawn until the appropriate time. However, unless you are going to change your mind about the points :) I don't see that argument applying to this nomination. Also I hope you don't mind that I indented your previous comment one level more for clarity. Rusty Cashman (talk) 22:31, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
- Guideline or rule, it is new, and this is the first article to fall under it, and I don't think it would be a good idea to start out by ignoring it. There's no need to. Right now, there's a lull on this page, I rather doubt it will be replaced, and why not respect the rule until it becomes a problem? I'd hate to see it fall to a dead letter on day 1.--Wehwalt (talk) 21:49, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
- Some suggestions are stronger than others. If there were a consensus that this was a 5+ (or even a 4 point) article I wouldn't have nominated it this early because I would have been certain there would be no problem. However, since it seemed like the only number we were going to all agree on was 2 points, I wanted to nominate it as early as possible, because I do believe it is essential for Misplaced Pages to pick an article with a tie in to Darwin day this year. Points do matter, but I think reaching a consensus on the right article to honor an important 200th anniversary matters more. Rusty Cashman (talk) 21:14, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
- Pointless point arguments? What else would we have to discuss on this page if we couldn't argue about points? Seriously though, I think Wehwalt's use of "ineligible" is grossly over-interpreting the new wording which begins "Please consider waiting". To me "please" denotes a request, which if it is not appropriate can be ignored, rather than an order or a rule, which cannot be ignored. Smallbones (talk) 20:11, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
- I have returned it to 2 points as that was the consensus from the talk page after an extensive pre-nomination debate. I still believe it probably should be 3 points because I don't consider Alfred Russel Wallace to be a truly similar article. However, given the importance of the date I would rather just have this up here to get peoples reactions to the idea of using this article for that date rather than having yet another pointless argument about points. Rusty Cashman (talk) 17:43, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
- Support - This is a wonderful article and the date is highly appropriate as Darwin permeates the article. —Mattisse (Talk) 18:30, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
- Support - I'm trying to get away from typing "Strong Support" all the time, otherwise it would be "Strong Support" for an excellent article on an appropriate and important date. Smallbones (talk) 20:11, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
- Strong Support - This article contextualizes Darwin's contributions, showing that they had earlier sources, nor are they the final word on evolutionary theory. The article in an important contribtion to what could otherwise become a one-sided celebration.StN (talk) 21:24, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
- Support as best Darwinesque FA that hasn't yet been main page. — Tivedshambo (t/c) 23:42, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
- Support - Excellent article, good date connection. Awadewit (talk) 19:57, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
- Support, for all of the reasons expressed by the other supporters. It is likely that some non-Wikipedians who become aware of the anniversary on the requested day will turn to Misplaced Pages, and it is appropriate (and beneficial to Misplaced Pages) that the first article they will see on the Main Page is one that puts Darwin's influence and accomplishments into historical context. Kablammo (talk) 18:48, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
- Late support. –thedemonhog talk • edits 22:38, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
- support since Lincoln isn't a FA. Empire3131 (talk) 01:18, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
- Support - per Macdonald-ross (talk · contribs), Mattisse (talk · contribs), and Awadewit (talk · contribs). Cirt (talk) 12:24, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
- Support – there's going to be a lot of interest in the context of Darwin's ideas. . dave souza, talk 19:51, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
- Support - a very good choice to note this important anniversary. The topic has already received extensive coverage in other media, and (agree with Kablammo) people will likely be looking to wikipedia for additional information on this topic. This article provides very interesting information that I have not seen covered in other sources. --mikeu 15:24, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
- Support - per everone above really. Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:19, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
- Support. Excellent article on an important topic with strong date relevance. There has been coverage outside wikipedia of the various anniversaries that fall this year, and it is appropriate that our front page should reflect this topic of broad interest. Espresso Addict (talk) 00:09, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
- Support - per Casliber. —Ed 17 22:30, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
- Support, a big year, and this a big day, for lay education on evolution with lectures all over the world. -- Jeandré, 2009-01-25t09:28z
February 14
300 is a 2007 film adaptation of the graphic novel of the same name by Frank Miller, and is a fictionalized retelling of the Battle of Thermopylae. The film is directed by Zack Snyder while Miller served as executive producer and consultant. The film was shot mostly with a super-imposition chroma key technique, to help replicate the imagery of the original comic book.
Spartan King Leonidas (Gerard Butler) and 300 Spartans fight to the last man against Persian 'God-King' Xerxes (Rodrigo Santoro) and his army of more than one million soldiers. As the battle rages, Queen Gorgo (Lena Headey) attempts to rally support in Sparta for her husband. The story is framed by a voice-over narrative by the Spartan soldier Dilios (David Wenham). Through this narrative technique, various fantastical creatures are introduced, placing 300 within the genre of historical fantasy.
300 was released in both conventional and IMAX theaters in the United States on March 9, 2007, and on DVD, Blu-ray and HD DVD on July 31, 2007. The film broke box office records, although critics were divided over its look and style. Some acclaimed it as an original achievement, while others criticized it for favoring visuals over characterization and its controversial depiction of the ancient Persians.(more….)1 pt for age, 1 pt for relevance - worldwide release was 2/14. Not sure what else to say, other than this is a notable comic book/graphic novel film adaptation which was directed by the comic's writer. Was successful at the box office, and spawned some funny (and not-so funny) parodies. This is Sparta! :) BOZ (talk) 22:27, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
Query points It looks like the release date was 3/7 or 3/9 of 2007. I would think this article should be renominated for then. Feb 14 was the anniversary of it being shown at Cannes. I think it only gets one point for 2/14 but would get 2 points for 3/7 or 3/9.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:37, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
- The article doesn't appear to mention Cannes, but I might have read more into a screening at the Berlin International Film Festival than I should have. :) Ah, well, if it fails to gain support here, I will re-nom for the 9 Mar release date, with my North American bias and all. ;) BOZ (talk) 22:53, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
- Shows what I know about films. I assumed that meant Cannes.--Wehwalt (talk) 23:06, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
- Nah, the Cannes Film Festival is in France, but that's not a major difference (except to the French and the Germans, I suppose!) BOZ (talk) 23:27, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
Oppose- surely something better could be found for Valentine's Day? —Ed 17 22:29, 22 January 2009 (UTC)- Hahahaha LOL'ing...great points below. Support per Maria. :D —Ed 17 18:56, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- Support for appropriate premiere anniversary of a kickass movie. Besides, I like the idea of having something particularly anti-cute on such a horribly manufactured "holiday". Who needs chocolate roses when you have screaming, blood-drenched Spartans? María (habla conmigo) 14:23, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- Support I was watching a Mythbusters re-run the other day, and I heard Adam use the line "This is Sparky!". The fact that he could do that without even explaining the joke suggests to me that the movie has had enough cultural impact to make it a reasonable candidate for the main page. This makes a convenient excuse for me to support this nomination besides the fact I liked the movie. The article is quite good also and it did a great job of coverting the controversies around the film. It is a pitty that Valentine's day is not FA. It is a pretty good article itself. Rusty Cashman (talk) 07:18, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
February 15
No Way Out (2004) was a professional wrestling pay-per-view event produced by World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE), which took place on February 15, 2004 at the Cow Palace in Daly City, California. It was the sixth event produced under the No Way Out name and starred wrestlers from the SmackDown! brand. During the main event, Eddie Guerrero defeated WWE Champion Brock Lesnar to win the title. Two bouts were featured on the undercard; the first was a Triple Threat match, where the winner would earn the right to challenge for the WWE Championship at WrestleMania XX; in the match, Kurt Angle defeated The Big Show and John Cena. The second bout was a singles match, in which Chavo Guerrero defeated Rey Mysterio. At No Way Out 2004, Chavo's uncle, Eddie Guerrero, won his sole World Championship before his substance abuse-related death in 2005. (more….)1 pt for date; requester (Truco (talk · contribs)) 1 pt; similar article not on in 6 months 2 pts. Not sure about a possible caption though - this may be appropriate even though it isn't in the article. D.M.N. (talk) 22:22, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
- Query points there have been lots of sports articles. Don't think it is entitled to main page representation points.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:25, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
- No wrestling articles have been on the main page in six months. That's what I'm basing the "similar" article thing on. D.M.N. (talk) 22:26, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose - surely something better than wrestling can be found for the evening of Valentine's Day (in the U.S.)? —Ed 17 22:29, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
- A 5th-anniversary is notable IMO. D.M.N. (talk) 22:34, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
- Plus, Valentines Day in the U.S. is the 14th.--TRUCO 14:24, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
- A 5th-anniversary is notable IMO. D.M.N. (talk) 22:34, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose at either point value. By that logic, we could go a month having sports articles, each not similar to each other. But I think that we can make do without this one.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:41, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
- You say that there's been a lot of sports article, yet throughout January for articles that have been scheduled, only one of them is sport related (Jan 7). Going back to December only two are sports related (Dec 11 and 19). How exactly is this a "lot"? We could say we could "make do" without the Men's Road Race or the cricket one, but they still appeared. D.M.N. (talk) 16:10, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- Maybe it is personal preference, that I have a bias against pro wrestling. Just one vote. No big deal. And by the way, Susianna Kentikian makes two sports articles for January.--Wehwalt (talk) 18:39, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, so that's about one or two a month. So what's wrong with me nomming this for this date... I see no other sport noms for February either here or here. D.M.N. (talk) 19:56, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
- Personal preferance, as I said. I vote no about a third of the time. Nothing personal. And I question the points on at least half the articles. I think it is useful that I do so. Look back to September when this page was entirely gridlocked with point disputes.--Wehwalt (talk) 20:10, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
- So this is what the system has come to? I find it wrong that this is being opposed, for one, pro wrestling isn't even considered a "sport", and two, the last time a TfA for pro wrestling passed was last March. This event will take place the same day (5 years later) as No Way Out (2009). At this event, Eddie Guerrero won his sole World Championship, before he died a year later. How does that not seem notable?TRUCO 14:24, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
- The article is still on the page. I can hardly say the system is broken. Editors have the right to express their opinion here.--Wehwalt (talk) 16:22, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
- Yes they do, but being biased against a certain topic is irrelevant.--TRUCO 16:54, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
- The article is still on the page. I can hardly say the system is broken. Editors have the right to express their opinion here.--Wehwalt (talk) 16:22, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
- So this is what the system has come to? I find it wrong that this is being opposed, for one, pro wrestling isn't even considered a "sport", and two, the last time a TfA for pro wrestling passed was last March. This event will take place the same day (5 years later) as No Way Out (2009). At this event, Eddie Guerrero won his sole World Championship, before he died a year later. How does that not seem notable?TRUCO 14:24, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
- Personal preferance, as I said. I vote no about a third of the time. Nothing personal. And I question the points on at least half the articles. I think it is useful that I do so. Look back to September when this page was entirely gridlocked with point disputes.--Wehwalt (talk) 20:10, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, so that's about one or two a month. So what's wrong with me nomming this for this date... I see no other sport noms for February either here or here. D.M.N. (talk) 19:56, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
- Maybe it is personal preference, that I have a bias against pro wrestling. Just one vote. No big deal. And by the way, Susianna Kentikian makes two sports articles for January.--Wehwalt (talk) 18:39, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- You say that there's been a lot of sports article, yet throughout January for articles that have been scheduled, only one of them is sport related (Jan 7). Going back to December only two are sports related (Dec 11 and 19). How exactly is this a "lot"? We could say we could "make do" without the Men's Road Race or the cricket one, but they still appeared. D.M.N. (talk) 16:10, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
(outdent)I don't understand that. This vote, such as it is, is about preferences of the members of the community, so we can make community recommendations to Raul. You, or me, or any member, is entitled to state the reason for the vote. It is relevant in that it is my reason. This is not life and death, it is voting on whether to make a recommendation to Raul. Anyone else want to weigh in? I seem to be repeating myself.--Wehwalt (talk) 17:05, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose Wehwalt is right. With a backlog of FA articles to feature on the front page we can afford to be picky, and I have a hard time seeing this article to be the best option we have. It reads like a bit of a fluff piece to me and there is no discussion of any real controversy or cultural impact. Now that may not be the fault of the editors since they may have not be any sources avaialable that cover this, but in my humble opinion the lack of these things makes a less than compelling case for featuring this topic on the main page. I suspect that, given its popularity and cultural impact, there probably are topics related to pro wrestling that would be compelling. I just don't this as being one of them. Rusty Cashman (talk) 07:42, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose Personal preference on the types of topics at TFAR is certainly allowable as far as these recommendations or "votes." In general, however it's probably best not to oppose on this basis, but rather just refrain from giving support. That said some topics, e.g. porn stars, just seem terrible for the front page and I will oppose them. On that same basis, I oppose wrestling articles. Smallbones (talk) 13:45, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
- Support - Eh? The last wrestling article on the main page was in March. –Juliancolton 15:00, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
- May I ask what Rule 1 is? D.M.N. (talk) 19:15, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
- If a requested article has at least five declarations and over 50% oppose votes (counting the nominator's declaration as a support) at least 48 hours after the request is initiated, it may be removed regardless of its point value. (from the Adding a request instructions) Karanacs (talk) 19:36, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
- And if the Opposes are not valid? To be honest, "I don't like it" isn't a valid oppose... a "I don't like you" for instance in an RfA or an FAC would get shot down straight away - same logic applies here. D.M.N. (talk) 20:19, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
- Well, this is kinda a quirky page, because what we are doing is just making recommendations. Raul has the final call. On this page, we have actual voting, which is rare in Misplaced Pages, and a lot of things don't apply because what we are doing is not real, because Raul has all the authority and doesn't hesitate to exercise it. We've voted off articles, like Tyrone Wheatley only to have Raul use it anyway. We've given fairly broad support to articles, but for reasons of his own, Raul has chosen not to use them. He's trying to be a lot broader in scope than we are trying to be. What we are angling for here is a loose, controlled process by which the community (or at least those members who care to participate) can have its voice heard in this process. So any vote submitted by a member of the community is valid. It may be more or less persuasive, but it is valid.--Wehwalt (talk) 20:55, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
- And if the Opposes are not valid? To be honest, "I don't like it" isn't a valid oppose... a "I don't like you" for instance in an RfA or an FAC would get shot down straight away - same logic applies here. D.M.N. (talk) 20:19, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
- If a requested article has at least five declarations and over 50% oppose votes (counting the nominator's declaration as a support) at least 48 hours after the request is initiated, it may be removed regardless of its point value. (from the Adding a request instructions) Karanacs (talk) 19:36, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
- Okay, people are saying that wrestling isn't the best representative topic, but what else can be on the main page for that day if nothing else is being requested? I see nothing on this page or on the pending list. Also, if this doesn't pass, I'll just nominate Over the Edge (1999) in May, since its more "unique and something cultural happened".TRUCO 23:14, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
- Articles sometimes are nominated two and three times before they become TFA. It isn't unusual. And we don't decide, "if not this, what". We simply decide if we want this to be one of our limited number of recommendations to Raul. As a practical matter, we at most recommend about 8 articles per month, since the five article limit and the tendency of people to nominate early limits us.--Wehwalt (talk) 23:28, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah its unfortunate that this one is opposed, but maybe OTE'99 is better off in May.--TRUCO 19:20, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
- Don't give up the ship just yet. No one has taken it off, and it might get used. I'd worry about that once the TFA for 2/15 is selected.--Wehwalt (talk) 19:48, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah its unfortunate that this one is opposed, but maybe OTE'99 is better off in May.--TRUCO 19:20, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
- Articles sometimes are nominated two and three times before they become TFA. It isn't unusual. And we don't decide, "if not this, what". We simply decide if we want this to be one of our limited number of recommendations to Raul. As a practical matter, we at most recommend about 8 articles per month, since the five article limit and the tendency of people to nominate early limits us.--Wehwalt (talk) 23:28, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
- Comment IMHO Over the Edge (1999) is a much better candidate for the main page than this one is, and if it were nominated on an appropriate date I would support it. It is my opinion that articles on fairly narrow topics, especially those on popular culture topics, should have some chance of being of interest to people who are not into that particular topic in order to be good candidates for the main page. Over the Edge (1999) has this sort of broader appeal. The current nominee does not. Rusty Cashman (talk) 20:28, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
February 19
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The Third Battle of Kharkov was a series of offensive operations undertaken by the German Army Group South against the Red Army, around the city of Kharkov (Kharkiv), between 19 February and 15 March 1943. Known to the Germans as the Donets Campaign, and to the Soviets as the Donbas and Kharkov operations, the German counterstroke led to the destruction of approximately 52 Soviet divisions and the recapture of the cities of Kharkov and Belgorod. As the German Sixth Army was encircled in Stalingrad, the Red Army undertook a series of wider offensives against the rest of Army Group South. These culminated on 2 January 1943, when the Soviets launched Operation Star, which between January and early February broke German defenses and led to the Soviet recapture of Kharkov, Belgorod and Kursk. Despite the success of the Soviet offensive, it also resulted in participating Soviet units over-extending themselves. Freed on 2 February by the surrender of the German Sixth Army, the Red Army's Central Front turned its attention west and on 25 February expanded its offensive against both Army Group South and Army Group Center. However, months of continuous operations had taken a heavy toll on the Soviets and some divisions were reduced to 1,000–1,500 combat effectives. On 19 February, Field Marshal Erich von Manstein took the opportunity to launch his Kharkov counterstroke, using the fresh SS Panzer Corps and two panzer armies. Although the Germans were also understrength, the Wehrmacht successfully flanked, encircled and defeated the Red Army's armored spearheads south of Kharkov.(more….)1 pt. due to date relevance. My contributor history point was shot since Verdeja was featured, even if I didn't nominate it. JonCatalán 18:29, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
- And yes, that blurb is prob. too long. But Raul tends to re-write them, regardless, right? JonCatalán 18:30, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
- Support - great article, good date relevance (for the topic). —Ed 17 18:31, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
- Support - not a milhist buff, but it is an interestng and engaging article, whereas some battle articles can be deadly (pun intended) dull.--Wehwalt (talk) 18:59, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
- Support - Looks good to me. –Juliancolton 21:29, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
- Weak support - this should go a long way toward countering the commonly held idea (in the US) that the US won WWII in Europe simply by invading Normandy. On the other hand, I see some issues in the article (which I've put on its talk page) the main one involves the seeming reversal of 25 February and 19 February in the blurb above. This really isn't the best place for these criticisms, but if something jumps out at me, I feel I should mention it. Smallbones (talk) 22:29, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
- support date relevance is good with the 19th being the start of the battle, I do have a concern of the imagery the choice in the blurb is a generic image not directly attributed to the battle where as ther are other images in the article that were taken in Kharkov. It'd be nice to see some Russian photos in the article as well. Gnangarra 02:14, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
- Those images are not in public domain; they are fair use images for the article. JonCatalán 03:00, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
- Support I used to be a bit of a military history buff when I was younger, but I wasn't really familiar with what happened between Stalingrad and Kursk. This is a very well written informative article and the date tie in is good. I realize military history is an over represented topic, but at least this isn't another boring article about a ship that didn't actually do much in the war. Rusty Cashman (talk) 21:05, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
- Hey now.... :) —Ed 17 22:28, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
- Wasn't that the one whose captain had the ship sail over its own towline and then was played by Humphrey Bogart in the movie?--Wehwalt (talk) 22:43, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
- You know what? I've seen that movie, so :P —Ed 17 23:05, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
- Oh. I assumed it was Reality TV.--Wehwalt (talk) 23:13, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
- Wasn't that the one whose captain had the ship sail over its own towline and then was played by Humphrey Bogart in the movie?--Wehwalt (talk) 22:43, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
- Hey now.... :) —Ed 17 22:28, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
- Support - Looks good! Skinny87 (talk) 19:50, 26 January 2009 (UTC)