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Unnotable manga series by an unnotable author. No significant coverage in reliable, third party sources, first volume of manga isn't even released so obviously not a sales hit, and not even notable enough for an entry at Anime News Network yet. And, before its even said, the notability of Weekly Shonen Jump does not automatically make every little manga series that runs it notable, particularly considering the sheer number that are included in each issue. Fails WP:N and fails WP:BK. Article nothing but plot and a list of chapters. As author page is already up for deletion for his own complete lack of notability, no valid merge target so deletion best option. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 20:28, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletion discussions. -- -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 20:29, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

• Series is apparently running dead last in the weekly popularity polls for WJS series, which means it'll be cancelled soon, with no tankobon collections to come. No book, no popularity, no notability: that spells delete. —Quasirandom (talk) 21:03, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

• I stand corrected on the likely to be no tankobons, but my reasoning still stands. —Quasirandom (talk) 18:18, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

• Delete seems unlikely to achieve notability. Doceirias (talk) 22:01, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
• Delete Fails the general notability guidelines. No in-depth coverage in 3rd party reliable sources can be found. Themfromspace (talk) 22:09, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
• Delete: Fails WP:BK. Schuym1 (talk) 23:29, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

• KEEP: I created this article. I feel that Collectonian is trying to get it deleted as fast as possible just because I'm trying to stick up for it and she has something against me for it. Anyway, the first volume is coming out in a matter of days on February 4th, so don't go saying that there are no upcoming tankoubon releases for it. Check your facts first. Here it is on Amazon: http://www.amazon.co.jp/%E3%82%A2%E3%82%B9%E3%82%AF%E3%83%AC%E3%83%94%E3%82%AA%E3%82%B9-1-%E3%82%B8%E3%83%A3%E3%83%B3%E3%83%97%E3%82%B3%E3%83%9F%E3%83%83%E3%82%AF%E3%82%B9-%E5%86%85%E6%B0%B4-%E8%9E%8D/dp/4088746333/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1232983356&sr=8-1 (no picture of the cover yet, though)Kangarugh22 (talk) 14:57, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Please stop with the bad faith accusations already. You had plenty of time to show notability for this series, but instead you engaged in personal attacks and tried to claim that it didn't matter that it wasn't notable (as is clear for anyone to see on the article talk page). The series is not notable. Its single pending volume (not released at this time) still does not meet notability. As you were already repeatedly told. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 15:11, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

• Delete We base a manga's notability based on significant coverage by reliable third party sources. There are are few alternative criteria we can use, but being published or being sold is not among them. I am curious to know where Quasirandom found the information that the series is running last in WSJ's popularity polls. --Farix (Talk) 16:34, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

• Per User:Doceirias in the AfD for the mangaka. —Quasirandom (talk) 18:18, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

• Jump has a unique trick where more popular manga appear at the front of the magazine, and less popular ones at the back. While they may move a book forward to promote it or leave an older book that is still popular but past the media focus to the back, the chapter order - particularly for new titles - is a rough guide to popularity. Unsuccessful new titles end up at the very back by around issue six. There are titles like Gintama that managed to recover from that and be successful, but Asklepios has been dead last for about ten issues, and seems unlikely to survive the next round of new serializations. I check the Jump flash site weekly; the table of contents there matches the one in the magazine for that week. Doceirias (talk) 18:58, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

• Interesting, but based on what you've said, its not very reliable. Now the next question is, how does Shōnen Jump determine a popular manga from an unpopular manga? Are these results compiled from a weekly feedback survey or something similar to Nielsen? --Farix (Talk) 19:54, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

• It's pretty reliable, but more contributing evidence than undeniable fact. You have to watch the chapters for a while before you can really predict the trends. The results are compiled from the weekly feedback survey; postage required, but there are prizes to encourage responses. It used to be unpopular series were killed within ten issues; but with tankobon sales rising, they now tend to wait and see what the tankobon orders are before canceling a title. There's a number of books - like the second to last title, To Love - that aren't as popular with the Jump readers, but sustain themselves through healthy tankobon sales. The formula's become a little more complex. But Asklepios has neither the cult following nor the otaku targeted fanservice that generally supposed those mid-level titles. Doceirias (talk) 20:21, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

• Off topic Interesting. Could this information be added to Weekly Shōnen Jump or are reliable sources explaining it lacking? --Farix (Talk) 21:17, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

• Continuing to be off-topic, the mechanics of the weekly feedback survey (and how it affects editorial decisions) are depicted in Bakuman, another current WSJ series. Not reliable enough to be cited, given it's a work of fiction, but since the intent is to provide inside into the world of manga writing and editing, useful as an overview (and is consistent with other descriptions I've seen). —Quasirandom (talk) 21:28, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
• It may fall into that gray area of things that are so well known and obvious that no reliable sources have bothered to write about them. They get discussed on blogs and forums all the time, but I've never seen anything more authoritative. Anyone reading Jump for long (and living in Japan) just works it out and starts sending in cards to support titles they like. I used to have a site bookmarked that claimed 90% of the readship did not respond, and 90% was just voting for One Piece and Naruto, so series live or die by the polls. There are a few manga, like Buso Renkin and Taizo Motse King Saga, that contain extensive author's notes discussing the impact of the polls on their work. Doceirias (talk) 00:18, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

• Delete Misplaced Pages isn't the place for failing serialization like this one and being published argument is fail as it only concerns Japan. Unless it receive third-party coverage as a notable publication failure in the future, this article should not be on wikipedia.--KrebMarkt 17:22, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
• Delete: fails notability WP:BK. JamesBurns (talk) 04:13, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
• Keep Even if it was the least popular manga in their magazine, its still popular enough to be in their magazine, and anything in such an influential and high selling magazine is notable. The policies are a guideline, not an official set of law. Remember that. Use common sense, and if something could make the wikipedia better, include it. And Kangarugh22, Collectonian already stated on her website that she is a deletionist, and when asked how she choose what to delete, she stated on her user page, that it depended on how many active editors were around to protest. There is no possible reason to go around deleting what could be a useful article. Dream Focus (talk) 13:23, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

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