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| ::You're confusing neutrality with fallacy. The evidence against Hamas was woefully understated, which I gladly improved. Syntax is a non-issue here; grammar is hardly an excuse for misinformation. I changed killing to execution because Hamas orchestrated a systematic execution of Fatah and its supporters. As in, they lined them up on a wall and shot them in the face. They weren't simply casualties of war, they were executed as individuals. Get it? You being the creator of the article is ], and in no way gives you ownership of articles - per ]. You say you are not the owner of the article, but seem to be infatuated with the fact that you started it, and that somehow gives you the right to tell me and everyone how it should be written. If syntax is your concern, go ahead and edit the article according to your standards of English. But if that conflicts with my concern for facts and ], then I will most certainly edit it. I offered a very lengthy explanation for my edits in the talk section. Also, I didn't mean to edit your user page template. ] (]) 03:05, 3 February 2009 (UTC) | ::You're confusing neutrality with fallacy. The evidence against Hamas was woefully understated, which I gladly improved. Syntax is a non-issue here; grammar is hardly an excuse for misinformation. I changed killing to execution because Hamas orchestrated a systematic execution of Fatah and its supporters. As in, they lined them up on a wall and shot them in the face. They weren't simply casualties of war, they were executed as individuals. Get it? You being the creator of the article is ], and in no way gives you ownership of articles - per ]. You say you are not the owner of the article, but seem to be infatuated with the fact that you started it, and that somehow gives you the right to tell me and everyone how it should be written. If syntax is your concern, go ahead and edit the article according to your standards of English. But if that conflicts with my concern for facts and ], then I will most certainly edit it. I offered a very lengthy explanation for my edits in the talk section. Also, I didn't mean to edit your user page template. ] (]) 03:05, 3 February 2009 (UTC) | ||
| :::In lieu of our dispute, the phrasing of your edit summaries, and your general manner, I have made a post at ]. Feel free to comment. —<strong>]</strong>] 05:27, 3 February 2009 (UTC) | :::In lieu of our dispute, the phrasing of your edit summaries, and your general manner, I have made a post at ]. Feel free to comment. —<strong>]</strong>] 05:27, 3 February 2009 (UTC) | ||
| == I understand your frustration == | |||
| I fully understand your frustration at what's going on at the Gaza conflict article. The swarm of nasty pov-pushers butchering the article in the name of a consensus are really out of control. I generally avoid the article because I don't want to find myself in a situation where I would lose my control and tell these pov-pushers where to go. If I would lose control I would find myself facing a pretty good block. Hopefully, one day the pov pushers will go back to their porn habit, leave Misplaced Pages alone, and we'll be able to get back to editing neutral articles instead of propaganda pieces. I encourage you to try to edit the article and try to interact civilly on the talkpage, but when things get too crazy just move on to another article that is of interest to you. There have been greater injustices in the world then some hit-piece disguised as a Misplaced Pages article. --'']] ]'' 23:08, 3 February 2009 (UTC) | |||
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Attacks in Gaza
Please stop inserting grammatical errors and awkward phrasing into a lead that is already quite fine and well-phrased. Also, I'd appreciate it if you could explain to me how preventing people from reaching a hospital constitutes an attack. That information, while important, does not seem relevant. —Anonymous Dissident 20:29, 2 February 2009 (UTC)\
- Well, how is wounded Palestinians fleeing to Hospital's in Israel now related to the attacks in Gaza?? Also, I fixed the awkward phrasing but the motivation behind my quick rewrites was because your edits were loaded with whitewashing and simply false information. As I stated in the talk, If you plan on removing ENTIRE paragraphs and inserting weasel words, go to discussion. Thank you.Wikifan12345 (talk) 20:33, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
- These are not weasel words. This is trying to maintain some NPOV and appreciating the knowledge we currently have about what's happened. Please, stop altering the phrasing. With your every revert, you keep inserting syntax errors. I honestly don't understand how are phrasings are so different - other than the grammatical and formatting errors you keep introducing. Please, see reason. —Anonymous Dissident 20:40, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
- Your original phrasing was not NPOV, it was wrong. Please re-read the sources provided in the reference section. Wikifan12345 (talk) 20:43, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
- What part of it was wrong? Explain your objection. —Anonymous Dissident 20:43, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
- I just compared the diff. From what I can see, our phrasings were almost the same. I mention how people have been killed - so do you in just a different way. I mention that Hamas may be involved - you just say it in a different way. I mean, please. —Anonymous Dissident 20:45, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
- What part of it was wrong? Explain your objection. —Anonymous Dissident 20:43, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
- No, I said they were executed, and many were wounded, as the source clearly states. I also said that Hamas claimed at least partial responsibility for the attacks, simply because a leader of the organization highlighted its involvement to "reassert its control of Gaza." Your version didn't even mentioned this, it just said Hamas is suspected of being involved. It's more than a different way, so stop unnecessary reverts. Wikifan12345 (talk) 20:55, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
Your failure to appreciate neutrality, especially in the lead, is becoming a detriment to this article. The evidence against Haamas is present in the main body of content, but in the lead a summation is needed, not detailed accusations. We know Hamas is suspected; my phrasing makes a point of articulating that in the initial paragraph. Discussing Hamas' actions and motives is not what the lead should be about. If you read the article, you'll see that plenty of information about Hamas' suspected involvement is given. My phrasing isn't much different to yours; it just uses proper syntax and gives a better overview of the situation. In fact, you just pretty much interchange "killings" with 'execution", which are not fundamentally different and the latter smells of COI or POV. In addition to that, it is entirely unecessary to mention that people were injured; the article is "attacks in gaza"; ever heard of an attack not causing injury? It's obvious and implied. Your claims of "censorship" are quite bogus as I, the creator of the article, was the one to author the information about Hamas' actions and discuss how they might be behind the killings. I have no investment and not interest in censoring material because I have no ties with anything but the good writing standard of the text. For all these reasons, I am going to ask you to stop reverting me, and to not template my talk page again. You are not the owner of the article, and neitehr am I, despite having started it. You seem to have some conflict of interest here, judging by your edit summaries, and I have observed your reversion of other contributors to the article as well. You're attempted monopoly over the content is not appreciated and cannot go on. I ask you to stop. —Anonymous Dissident 02:53, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
- You're confusing neutrality with fallacy. The evidence against Hamas was woefully understated, which I gladly improved. Syntax is a non-issue here; grammar is hardly an excuse for misinformation. I changed killing to execution because Hamas orchestrated a systematic execution of Fatah and its supporters. As in, they lined them up on a wall and shot them in the face. They weren't simply casualties of war, they were executed as individuals. Get it? You being the creator of the article is irrelevant, and in no way gives you ownership of articles - per Misplaced Pages:Ownership of articles. You say you are not the owner of the article, but seem to be infatuated with the fact that you started it, and that somehow gives you the right to tell me and everyone how it should be written. If syntax is your concern, go ahead and edit the article according to your standards of English. But if that conflicts with my concern for facts and truth, then I will most certainly edit it. I offered a very lengthy explanation for my edits in the talk section. Also, I didn't mean to edit your user page template. Wikifan12345 (talk) 03:05, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
- In lieu of our dispute, the phrasing of your edit summaries, and your general manner, I have made a post at WP:COI/N. Feel free to comment. —Anonymous Dissident 05:27, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
- You're confusing neutrality with fallacy. The evidence against Hamas was woefully understated, which I gladly improved. Syntax is a non-issue here; grammar is hardly an excuse for misinformation. I changed killing to execution because Hamas orchestrated a systematic execution of Fatah and its supporters. As in, they lined them up on a wall and shot them in the face. They weren't simply casualties of war, they were executed as individuals. Get it? You being the creator of the article is irrelevant, and in no way gives you ownership of articles - per Misplaced Pages:Ownership of articles. You say you are not the owner of the article, but seem to be infatuated with the fact that you started it, and that somehow gives you the right to tell me and everyone how it should be written. If syntax is your concern, go ahead and edit the article according to your standards of English. But if that conflicts with my concern for facts and truth, then I will most certainly edit it. I offered a very lengthy explanation for my edits in the talk section. Also, I didn't mean to edit your user page template. Wikifan12345 (talk) 03:05, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
I understand your frustration
I fully understand your frustration at what's going on at the Gaza conflict article. The swarm of nasty pov-pushers butchering the article in the name of a consensus are really out of control. I generally avoid the article because I don't want to find myself in a situation where I would lose my control and tell these pov-pushers where to go. If I would lose control I would find myself facing a pretty good block. Hopefully, one day the pov pushers will go back to their porn habit, leave Misplaced Pages alone, and we'll be able to get back to editing neutral articles instead of propaganda pieces. I encourage you to try to edit the article and try to interact civilly on the talkpage, but when things get too crazy just move on to another article that is of interest to you. There have been greater injustices in the world then some hit-piece disguised as a Misplaced Pages article. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 23:08, 3 February 2009 (UTC)