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Or you just fabricated your own quotes??? Or you just fabricated your own quotes???
--] 18:13, 30 November 2007 (UTC) --] 18:13, 30 November 2007 (UTC)


== Croatia-Slavonia in the Kingdom of Hungary==
Apart from the previously mentioned sources here are some more:

'''An encyclopedia of world history''', ancient, medieval and modern, chronologically arranged
By William Leonard Langer, Geoffrey Bruun
Edition: revised
Published by Houghton Mifflin Co., 1948
p.245
::"''In 1091, Ladislas'' '''''conquered Croatia and Bosnia''''' ''but left these regions self- government''"


'''The New Encyclopaedia Britannica '''By Encyclopaedia Britannica, inc, Jacob E. Safra
Edition: 15, illustrated
Published by Encyclopaedia Britannica, 2002
Original from the University of Michigan
Digitized 21 Dec 2007
ISBN 0852297874, 9780852297872
p 93.
::"''Ladislas extended Hungary's frontier in Transylvania and'' '''''occupied''''' ''Croatia (1091) to protect the rights of his sister, the widow of Zvonimir''"


'''Europe in the Middle Age'''
By Oliver Joseph Thatcher, Ferdinand Schevill
Published by John Murray, 1911
Original from Indiana University
p 681.
::"''Croatia was'' '''''added''''' ''to Hungary (1091)''"


'''Encyclopaedia Britannica''' , 15th edition , vol.3

::"''Croatia became a kingdom in the 10th century, and in the 1091 Ladislaus I (Laslo I) of '''Hungary assumed control'''; the ensuing union with Hungary lasted for 8th centuries. During the union with Hungary, Croatia retained its own assemble, the Sabor, and was legally an independent kingdom''."

'''The Encyclopedia Britannica''': A Dictionary of Arts, Sciences, Literature and General Information
By Hugh Chisholm
Edition: 11
Published by The Encyclopedia Britannica Co., 1910
p. 474

::"''Ladislaus I., king of Hungary- Ladislaus''' took possession of the country ''' in 1091''"

''''''

::"''HUNGARY (Hungarian Magyarorszag), a country in the south-eastern pertion of central Europe, bounded E. by Austria (Bukovina) and Rumania; S. by Rumania, Servia, Bosnia and Austria (Dalmatia); W. by Austria (Istria, Carniola, Styria and Lower Austria); and N. by Austria (Moravia, Silesia and Galicia). It has an area of 125,402 sq. m.('''=325.111kn<sup>2</sup>'''), being thus about 4000 sq. m. larger than Great Britain and Ireland.''"

::"''It is almost exclusively continental, having only a '''short extent of seaboard on the Adriatic'''''"

::"''the terms Cisleithania and '''Transleithania''', applied to Austria and '''Hungary''' respectively''"

::"''General Division: The '''kingdom of Hungary''' in its widest extent, or the " '''Realm of the Crown of St Stephen'''," comprises Hungary proper (Magyarorszdg), with which is included the former grand principality of Transylvania, and the '''province of Croatia-Slavonia'''. This province enjoys to a large extent autonomy, granted by the so-called compromise of 1868. ''"

::"''CROATIA-SLAVONIA (Serbo-Croatian Hrvatska i Slavonija; Hung. Horvát-Szlavonország; Ger. Kroatien und Slawonien), a '''kingdom of the Hungarian monarchy'''''"

::"''The Croatian Kingdom: c. 910-1091''"
::"''Hungarian Supremacy: 1091-c. 1526. - Amid the strife of rival claimants to the throne, Helena, the widow of Stephen,. appealed for aid to her brother Ladislaus I., king of Hungary.. Ladislaus '''took possession of the country in 1091'''. He founded the bishopric of Agram and introduced Hungarian law. His. death in 1095 was the signal for a nationalist insurrection, but after two years the rebels were crushed by his successor Coloman. This monarch reorganized the administration on a system which has been maintained, with modifications in detail, by almost all subsequent rulers. He respected the existing institutions of the conquered territory so far as to '''leave its autonomy in domestic affairs intact'''; but delegated his '''own sovereignty''', and especially the '''control of foreign affairs and war''', to a '''governor known as the ban''' (q.v.)''"

'''The Realm of St Stephen''': A History of Medieval Hungary, 895-1526 by Pal Engel, Tamas Palosfalvi, Andrew Ayton - 2005 I.B.Tauris edition,
Pages 33-34

::"''One of Ladislaus's most significant achievements was the '''occupation of Hungary's southern neighbour, Croatia'''. ... The small kingdom, born in the tenth century, streched from the Kapela mountains to the Adriatic sea, its center being Biograd, located on the coast''"

'''The Early Medieval Balkans''': A Critical Survey from the Sixth to the Late Twelfth Century
By John V. Fine, John V. A. Fine, Jr.
Edition: reissue, illustrated
Published by University of Michigan Press, 1991
ISBN 0472081497, 9780472081493

::"''Hungarian intervention in Croatia in the 1090s''
::'''''The Hungarian king''' quickly intervened to protect his sister's interest (a fine excuse for what were porbably his own ambitions) and '''occupied much of Croatia, including part of Dalmatia'''.''"



Although the status of Croatia in the Kingdom of Hungary is still disputed; according to '''''all''''' sources here: Whether you call it conquer, annexation, addition or union; the important thing is that

'''''Hungary had control over Croatia, but gave her some extent of internal autonomy within the Kingdom of Hungary''''' and in this relationship Hungary and Croatia were '''not''' equal parties.
--] (]) 22:01, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Revision as of 22:01, 16 February 2009

Hungaro-Croatian reign

In order to response some historiographer who deny existence of Kingdom of Croatia I qupted some veryfieable sources

The time history of the world, 5th edition, ISBN:953-6510-62-6 pages 138,142,143, 145,147, 150-151, 186.Name Croatia is displayed on the maps.


The World book Encyclopedia volume 4, 1994 ISBN:0-7166-0094-3 Pages 1148b-1148c " In 1102, Kalman, the king of Hungary, also became king of Croatia, thus creating a political union between Croatia and Hungary that lasted for more than 800 years. Despite this Union, the Croats always kept their own parliament , called the Sabor "


Encyclopaedia Britannica , 15th edition , vol.3

"Croatia became a kingdom in the 10th century, and in the 1091 Ladislaus I (Laslo I) of Hungary assumed control; the ensuing union with Hungary lasted for 8th centuries. During the union with Hungary, Croatia retained its own assemble, the Sabor, and was legally an independent kingdom."

Digital edition of Britannica 2007 Ultimate reference suite

"Croatia retained its independence under native kings until 1102, when the crown passed into the hands of the Hungarian dynasty. The precise terms of this relationship later became a matter of dispute; nonetheless, even under dynastic union with Hungary, institutions of separate Croatian statehood were maintained through the Sabor (an assembly of Croatian nobles) and the ban (viceroy). In addition, the Croatian nobles retained their lands and titles. "

So, mr. GiorgioOrsini/NovaNova/Purger (or however you call yourself this time)and your companions (user:Giovanni Giove) I do not where have you picked those "historiographers" who deny the existent of Kingdom of Croatia. Are they experts like Arrigo Petacco  ???

Or you just fabricated your own quotes??? --Anto 18:13, 30 November 2007 (UTC)


Croatia-Slavonia in the Kingdom of Hungary

Apart from the previously mentioned sources here are some more:

An encyclopedia of world history, ancient, medieval and modern, chronologically arranged By William Leonard Langer, Geoffrey Bruun Edition: revised Published by Houghton Mifflin Co., 1948 p.245

"In 1091, Ladislas conquered Croatia and Bosnia but left these regions self- government"


The New Encyclopaedia Britannica By Encyclopaedia Britannica, inc, Jacob E. Safra Edition: 15, illustrated Published by Encyclopaedia Britannica, 2002 Original from the University of Michigan Digitized 21 Dec 2007 ISBN 0852297874, 9780852297872 p 93.

"Ladislas extended Hungary's frontier in Transylvania and occupied Croatia (1091) to protect the rights of his sister, the widow of Zvonimir"


Europe in the Middle Age By Oliver Joseph Thatcher, Ferdinand Schevill Published by John Murray, 1911 Original from Indiana University p 681.

"Croatia was added to Hungary (1091)"


Encyclopaedia Britannica , 15th edition , vol.3

"Croatia became a kingdom in the 10th century, and in the 1091 Ladislaus I (Laslo I) of Hungary assumed control; the ensuing union with Hungary lasted for 8th centuries. During the union with Hungary, Croatia retained its own assemble, the Sabor, and was legally an independent kingdom."

The Encyclopedia Britannica: A Dictionary of Arts, Sciences, Literature and General Information By Hugh Chisholm Edition: 11 Published by The Encyclopedia Britannica Co., 1910 p. 474

"Ladislaus I., king of Hungary- Ladislaus took possession of the country in 1091"

The Encyclopedia Britannica 1911

"HUNGARY (Hungarian Magyarorszag), a country in the south-eastern pertion of central Europe, bounded E. by Austria (Bukovina) and Rumania; S. by Rumania, Servia, Bosnia and Austria (Dalmatia); W. by Austria (Istria, Carniola, Styria and Lower Austria); and N. by Austria (Moravia, Silesia and Galicia). It has an area of 125,402 sq. m.(=325.111kn), being thus about 4000 sq. m. larger than Great Britain and Ireland."
"It is almost exclusively continental, having only a short extent of seaboard on the Adriatic"
"the terms Cisleithania and Transleithania, applied to Austria and Hungary respectively"
"General Division: The kingdom of Hungary in its widest extent, or the " Realm of the Crown of St Stephen," comprises Hungary proper (Magyarorszdg), with which is included the former grand principality of Transylvania, and the province of Croatia-Slavonia. This province enjoys to a large extent autonomy, granted by the so-called compromise of 1868. "
"CROATIA-SLAVONIA (Serbo-Croatian Hrvatska i Slavonija; Hung. Horvát-Szlavonország; Ger. Kroatien und Slawonien), a kingdom of the Hungarian monarchy"
"The Croatian Kingdom: c. 910-1091"
"Hungarian Supremacy: 1091-c. 1526. - Amid the strife of rival claimants to the throne, Helena, the widow of Stephen,. appealed for aid to her brother Ladislaus I., king of Hungary.. Ladislaus took possession of the country in 1091. He founded the bishopric of Agram and introduced Hungarian law. His. death in 1095 was the signal for a nationalist insurrection, but after two years the rebels were crushed by his successor Coloman. This monarch reorganized the administration on a system which has been maintained, with modifications in detail, by almost all subsequent rulers. He respected the existing institutions of the conquered territory so far as to leave its autonomy in domestic affairs intact; but delegated his own sovereignty, and especially the control of foreign affairs and war, to a governor known as the ban (q.v.)"

The Realm of St Stephen: A History of Medieval Hungary, 895-1526 by Pal Engel, Tamas Palosfalvi, Andrew Ayton - 2005 I.B.Tauris edition, Pages 33-34

"One of Ladislaus's most significant achievements was the occupation of Hungary's southern neighbour, Croatia. ... The small kingdom, born in the tenth century, streched from the Kapela mountains to the Adriatic sea, its center being Biograd, located on the coast"

The Early Medieval Balkans: A Critical Survey from the Sixth to the Late Twelfth Century By John V. Fine, John V. A. Fine, Jr. Edition: reissue, illustrated Published by University of Michigan Press, 1991 ISBN 0472081497, 9780472081493

"Hungarian intervention in Croatia in the 1090s
The Hungarian king quickly intervened to protect his sister's interest (a fine excuse for what were porbably his own ambitions) and occupied much of Croatia, including part of Dalmatia."


Although the status of Croatia in the Kingdom of Hungary is still disputed; according to all sources here: Whether you call it conquer, annexation, addition or union; the important thing is that

Hungary had control over Croatia, but gave her some extent of internal autonomy within the Kingdom of Hungary and in this relationship Hungary and Croatia were not equal parties. --Bizso (talk) 22:01, 16 February 2009 (UTC)