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Eric Radloff

Can anybody confirm this person's notability? Should we list the article for deletion? --Ghirlandajo 15:08, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

• Tried searching for Эрик Радлофф (and Радлов, as well) in Google, nada. The guy is unknown in Russia. I'd vote for its deletion. KNewman 15:47, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
  • I agree. But we should be careful. For instance, today someone deleted Vladimir Spivakov citing his lack of notability. I had to start the article anew. --Ghirlandajo
• Posted for VfD. Hoax. BTW, Spivakov was deleted for a good reason: better have no article than what he had. I am wondering, how did you find this Eric in the first place? mikka (t) 17:19, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Actually, I was looking for links to my latest article, Wilhelm Radloff. --Ghirlandajo 21:02, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
    • BTW, how about another Radlov www.peoples.ru or another eb2004 or another –Gnomz(?) 18:29, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

Template for cities

Would not it be usefull to create a universal template for an infobox related to a Russian city, something like Template:US City infobox? It might contain English name, Russian Name, Population, Lattitude/Longitude, Post code, Phone code, Foundation year, Architectorial landmarks, Famous people connected. If you think it is worth doing, I could start it. abakharev 10:14, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

• Alex, I don't think it is a good idea. We have a number of city templates already, but actually they are not very informative and don't prettify atricles too. Also, most of the Russian city articles are stubbish, which result in the tiny article being overloaded with images, tables, and templates. --Ghirlandajo

History of the Soviet Union (1927-1953)

If anyone's interested, please check the recent entries at the article's talk page Talk:History of the Soviet Union (1927-1953) as well as the recent edit history. Some editors feel the article reflects a Soviet POV too much and are trying to delete the material, or otherwise "neutralize" it. I already spent more time than I could afford trying to call for a more measured editing at talk. I also edited the article to account for some of the newly brought suggestions. But since the pressure will likely to persist and I really have other things to do, anyone is encouraged to take a balanced look there. Thanks! --Irpen 03:13, August 8, 2005 (UTC)

Battle of Polonka

This article is full of Polonophile nonsense. The article's author seemed to think: "Let's say that there were twice as much Russians as the Poles and that we killed half of them". The figures need to be checked. The Swedish-biased article on Battle of Oravais also needs attention. --Ghirlandajo 10:39, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Before diving into this, please think twice whether correcting errors in battle articles is high enough on your priority list because the battles about the battles will take much more of your time than you expect. Especially with our Polish friends, you will often enounter a very strong and motivated resistanse of committed and little compromising editors. These, although mostly civil, but protracted battles for article content will be rather frustrating if you dive into this. Most of the Polish editors will be acting in good faith but under the strong effect of Polish historical scholarship which, like any national scholarship, is POV written. To see what I mean, check talk:Kiev Offensive (1920) and, especially talk:Battle of Wołodarka. I regretted many times already about getting myself involved into this. --Irpen 17:24, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Irpen, your efforts are appreciated. I recall that the Battle of Orsha, after many an edit war, was purged from the most absurd statements, although not definitively. What you describe as a "Polish historical scholarship" is actually just a Russophobic hysteria. I'm amazed how you can take it seriously. --Ghirlandajo 17:28, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the compliments. What I take seriously is good faith of some of the editors, that's all. Speaking of the RU-PL battles (real, not WP) we have the Siege of Smolensk (1609-1611) embarrassingly missing. There is a ready Image:Chorikov The Siege of Smolensk by the Poles.jpg for the article. As well as there is an image of voivod Mikhail Shein here. Any takers for Shein and Siege? Too bad I have no education in humanities :(. Cheers, --Irpen 03:08, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Irpen, the Siege of Pskov (1581-82), Siege of Smolensk (1609-1611), Siege of Troitse-Sergiyeva Lavra have been listed by me among requested articles on the portal's main page for several months now. --Ghirlandajo 06:32, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Copyright issues

Two tags were just created for images/objects exempt from copyright protections by RU and UA laws. Besides, an EN version of the RU copyright law is added to Wikisource and is linked from inside the tag. The tags are {{PD-RU-exempt}} and {{PD-UA-exempt}}. The tags can be used from within enwiki and from commons. For more details and on what else could be done, please see the Ukrainian sister board. Perhaps, someone would like to post any comments there too. The tags display like this:

This work is not an object of copyright according to article 1259 of Book IV of the Civil Code of the Russian Federation No. 230-FZ of December 18, 2006 Shall not be objects of copyright: official documents of state government agencies and local government agencies of municipal formations, including laws, other legal texts, judicial decisions, other materials of legislative, administrative and judicial character, official documents of international organizations, as well as their official translations; state symbols and signs (flags, emblems, orders, banknotes, and the like), as well as symbols and signs of municipal formations; works of folk art (folklore), which don't have specific authors; news reports on events and facts, which have a purely informational character (daily news reports, television programs, transportation schedules, and the like). Comment – This license tag is also applicable to official documents, state symbols and signs of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (union level). Warning – This license tag is not applicable to drafts of official documents, proposed official symbols and signs, which can be copyrighted. Warning – This Russian official document, state symbol or sign (postage stamps, coins and banknotes mainly) may incorporate one or more works that can be copyrightable if separated from this document, symbol or sign. In such a case, this work is not an object of copyright if reused in its entirety but, at the same time, extracting specific portions from this work could constitute copyright infringement. For example, the denomination and country name must be preserved on postage stamps. – The official documents, state symbols and signs of 14 other Soviet Republics are the subject of law of their legal successors. Public domain Public domain in Russia //en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Russia/Russia-related_Wikipedia_notice_board

According to the Article 10 of the Law of Ukraine on Copyright and Related rights this work is in the public domain within Ukraine because it is one of the following: (a) daily news or details of current events that constitute regular press information; (b) works of folk art (folklore); (c) official documents of a political, legislative or administrative nature (laws, decrees, resolutions, court awards, State standards, etc.) issued by government authorities within their powers, and official translations thereof; (d) State symbols of Ukraine, government awards; symbols and signs of government authorities, the Armed Forces of Ukraine and other military formations; symbols of territorial communities; symbols and signs of enterprises, institutions and organizations; (e) bank notes; (f) transport schedules, TV and radio broadcast schedules, telephone directories and other similar databases that do not meet the originality criteria and to which the sui generis right (a particular or special right) is applicable. Note that drafts of anything that falls under sections (d) and (e), unless officially approved are under copyright. Hence it is assumed that this image has been released into the public domain worldwide. However use of this image within Ukraine might be subject to usage restrictions regulated by other laws. PD-Ukraine Public domain in Ukraine false false

Please note the both UA and RU copyright laws in English are now in Wikisource and are linked from within the tags above. Regards, --Irpen 18:00, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

Rus' articles' confusion

I would like to have an Etymology of Rus and derivatives article moved to Rus. Then to place {{otheruses}} on the top of it, which would link to Rus (disambiguation) for articles on Rus' (people) and Kievan Rus'. The reason is that if one wants to link the word Rus within the body of the article, the Etimology article is the most likely place one would want it linked to. This would just make things easier. It can't be moved right now, because ] is the article with an established history. So, it has to go through a "proposed move" page, I would like to get some feedback, whether the idea seems feasable to the editors who most likely care. Thanks! -Irpen 00:13, Jun 9, 2005 (UTC)

That makes sense, but I would go just a bit further. The list of East Slavic Rus'-related links could also go at the top of the etymology article, so one only has to refer to the disambiguation page if looking for the Danish and Yiddish words.

You may not have to go through the requested moves procedure for technical reasons. Rus doesn't have a history, although Rus' does—which do we want the article at? Lately I've been favouring titles in the simplified transliteration, without apostrophes. But Rus’ with the apostrophe is so commonly used that I think it's more instantly recognizable and unambiguous.

Incidentally, Rus' and Rus (disambiguation) have always been disambig pages without any real content, so there's no worry about losing their history. —Michael Z. 2005-06-17 04:29 Z

List of most common surnames

Check it out. The Russia entry is based on Krasnoyarsk stats only. mikka (t) 23:48, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Well, it is a large enough city, so statistically it should be representantive. Besides, I think it is kind of elegant way to use the info from that site. -Irpen 18:41, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)

I revised the section nevertheless. A section on Ukrainian surnames would be helpful. --Ghirlandajo 22:33, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Russophobia

Let's think whether such an article is necessary (currently it is a redirect to -phobia) and discuss it at talk:Russophobia. --Irpen 18:41, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)

Thief in law (vor v zakone)

Please take a look. A number of statements look pretty suspicious to me. mikka (t) 21:23, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Muscovy Company

note below cross posted from older Russian Wikipedians' notice board which now seems defunct.

Russian name is missing at Muscovy Company. Could you also check for Russian interwiki link and perhaps add some more info from Russian language pages, if they exist? I find this company quite fascinating. Also, if you have access to Russian sources, could you check if the company had any dealings with Holy Roman Empire, Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and other non-UK/Muscovy countries? I found a source stating it had some dealings in Silesia in 17th century and would like to know more about it. Tnx. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 11:19, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

More info in Russian is available from google or yandex string ("Московская компания" +Ченслер). -Irpen 05:04, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

Great. Could somebody familiar with Russian language translate it? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 17:14, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Update needed

Please take a look at red links in Russia-related part of Masterpieces of the Oral and Intangible Heritage of Humanity. mikka (t) 17:53, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Are there reasons not to move Khersones to Chersonesos?

Please voice your opinion at Talk:Khersones. Thanks! -Irpen July 1, 2005 00:10 (UTC)

Moved as per consensus. Issue closed. --Irpen

Eastern-European cooperation proposal

Crossposted to: Misplaced Pages talk:Polish Wikipedians' notice board, Misplaced Pages:Wikiportal/Russia/Russia-related Misplaced Pages notice board, Misplaced Pages talk:Wikiportal/Belarus, Misplaced Pages:Wikiportal/Ukraine/Ukraine-related Misplaced Pages notice board

I'd like to propose that Polish, Russian, Ukrainian, Belarussian (and anybody else who wants to join, you will excuse me if I won't list everyone here, I tried to reach everybody on the Misplaced Pages:Regional notice boards) Wikipedians join forces and try together to promote some articles to FA, instead of (what seems to be more common, unfortunately) fighting over which name should go first and similar petty issues :>

In this spirit I invite you all to comment on Polish-Muscovy War (1605-1618), an article I (mostly, wiki being wiki) have written over the past few months. It can definetly benefit from introducing Russian/English spelling of some names/people that I added knowing only Polish spelling, adjusting my Polish POV and adding more info from Russian/other sources I have no access to. I believe this article is fairly comprehensive, and we can make it reach FA. In few days I will submit it to Peer Review, and if there are no disputes on PR/article's talk page I will submit it to FA in over a week.

Once again, I invite your comments and edits, and hope this will be the first of many similar projects that proves we can work on together, to show our Eastern European history and culture to English-speaking world, most of whom unfortunately seem never to heard about Muscovy of Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. If you like this initative. For now, I invite everybody to copy their replies to my talk page; if there is enough interest, perhaps we can create a serparate page to discuss it (Wikiproject:Eastern Europe or sth like this). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 17:35, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Maybe we could create a Misplaced Pages:Eastern European Wikipedians' notice board for announcements on topics of the general interest for all Eastern Europeans. --Irpen 00:09, July 31, 2005 (UTC)

Yes, that would be a good idea. And a list of active EE national boards, it was a bit difficult to find some of them. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 10:41, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

A new project proposal: Russian nobility

Hi there, my fellow Russian wikipedians! I would like to propose a new project within the Russian portal of the English Misplaced Pages. I wanna call it the Keep It In The Family Project or All In The Family Project (your ideas are most welcome, as well). Basically, it's a project on all of the Russian noble families throughout Russian history. This project should help other wikipedians and ordinary users to get a clearer idea of who was who in Muscovite Russia and Imperial Russia, since many Russian politicians and statesmen often had the same names, and it's sometimes difficult for non-Russians (and Russians, too!) to distinguish between certain historical figures. I imagine articles on each and every boyar or dvoryanskaya family that would look something like the Galitzine article. I know that some of these articles will be extremely difficult to write (Tolstoy Family comes to mind :)). But I've seen great many articles in Wiki with red links for Dolgorukovs, Beklemishevs, Miloslavskys etc. I think we're gonna need a computer-friendly person to create a nice template, where we could insert the red links (or the blue ones, if an article already exists) for all the Russian noble families we can find (I just wonder whether we have to distinguish between княжеский род, дворянский род, and боярский род). Once the template is ready, we can start doing the articles one by one at our own pace. If you have any suggestions, comments, or objections, please post them here. KNewman 15:00, July 30, 2005 (UTC)

A nice idea. It looks similar to something I started some time ago regarding Polish szlachta - ie. the list of szlachta. Perhaps we can work some common nobility bio templates and set some standards for categories, organisation, etc. I'd be happy to share with you my experience on this project - just ask me on my talk page, I may not check this notice board very often. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 17:14, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

• See the articles Platon Zubov, Panin, Petr Alekseevich Pahlen started recently by me.

Mintimer Shaeymiev

Just stumbled into this article accidentally. Quote: "The multinational people of Tatarstan highly appreciated the efforts of the first President aimed at strengthening peace and unity in the republic and solving complicated socio-economic problems." Funny, huh? I know little on the subject, so I just NPOVed the article. Maybe someone is willing to clean it up. --Irpen 00:09, July 31, 2005 (UTC)

Just a note, I do agree with NPOV but can't really take the cleanup on for the same reason. I didn't exactly compare word by word but the article looks as a copy from the president's site , with somewhat different transliteration. To say, the factual side of the bio should be, presumably, accurate but might not be complete. Regards - Introvert 07:20, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Polish-Muscovy War (1605-1618)

Regarding this article: User:Halibutt is working on the map (you can see the current version at Image:Rzeczpospolita_1600.png - but we can't find out the exact location of some places mentioned in the article (like Tsarovo). Any help with that would be appreciated. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 10:44, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Minusa River, Minusinsk, Minusinsky

I will be shortly be writing an brief article on the Afanasevo culture, an archaeological culture 3500--2500 BC located in the "Minusinsk basin" of the Yenisei catchment.

There is a stub on the town of Minusinsk, in the Krasnoyarsk Krai region, apparently of the red-linked Minusinky district, but nothing on the Minusa River or Minusa/Minusinsk basin. There is vanishingly little on Google. The town is apparently at the confluence of the Minusa and Yenisei Rivers. I see an unnamed river on my big National Geographic Atlas in the vicinity of Minusinsk, tributary to the Yenesei from the east.

I would not mind a few sentences on the Minusa River and the geography it travels through, and a bit more on the town of Minusinsk itself.--FourthAve 09:40, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

I'm getting greedy. In the interest of clearing out all the remaining red links in the important article, Kurgan, something on the Ponura River (Krasnodar region) and the Bukhtarma River of Kazakhstan would be appreciated. And in looking up the Bukhtarma, I noticed that Altay needs some work on red links, and perhaps some consistency in spelling (is to be Altay or Altai). The other reference to the Bukhtarma is Lake Zaysan which might benefit from a look-see. --FourthAve 12:10, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Is this map accurately labelled as the Minusa River?

"Russian culture" and "Culture of Russia"

Please join the discussion at Talk:Culture of Russia. mikka (t) 16:38, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Proposal on maintenance of this board

To keep such boards more focused, I archived outdated, settled/closed issues at a similar board in Ukrainian sister portal with the TOC of archived topics posted at the top of the current version. Please check the link above. We can do that here too if there are no objections. Actually, everyone is welcome to do that himself, but in any case if anyone objects, please respond asap. Thanks! --Irpen 23:26, August 8, 2005 (UTC)

Raskol → Schism of Old Believers move idea

Please check Talk:Raskol and express your opinion. --Irpen 09:26, August 10, 2005 (UTC)

• I made a Redirect Schism of Old Believers → Raskol. Vald 21:33, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Old Style concern

Hi, I've just noted an disturbing problem on cosmic scale - in Russia the Gregorian Calendar was accepted after the revolution, but the Russian articles tend to link to both Old Style and New Style, so we have - Decembrist revolt happened on December 14 Julian calendar:

December 14 is the 348th day of the year (349th in leap years) in the Gregorian Calendar.  There are 17 days remaining.
*1825 - Several Imperial Russia army officers lead circa 3000 soldiers on the Senate Square in the failed Decembrist uprising

and it is December 26 New Style.

December 26 is the 360th day of the year in the Gregorian Calendar, 361st in leap years. There are 5 days remaining.
 (looks like no such thing happened on December 26)

am I overreacted or it is, really that bad –Gnomz(?) 02:26, August 24, 2005 (UTC) The real problem is that a whole lot of articles has this sort of problem and wikipedia timeline may be distorted–Gnomz(?) 12:59, August 24, 2005 (UTC)

Please notice that there are O.S. and N.S. redirects to Old Style and New Style dates article, created as a convenience to use in these double-calendar dates. mikka (t) 22:16, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

But the actual event is mismatched in Gregorian calendar, I've fixed this one, but this is a likely thing to be repeated –Gnomz(?)

I think I saw the rule somewhere about linking back into the calendar by the New Style Calendar only, leaving the Old Style date unlinked. Just checked October Revolution (what else could come to mind, eh): it does have links to both 25 Oct and 7 Nov, but only for the 7th of November it is listed as the event, with an additional note about correct dating NS vs OS. I take it, what's important is when the event is listed in the calendar, is that right? So hopefully it's not as bad but I'll keep an eye on it, thanks for noting - Introvert 05:51, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Red Square parades

I Suggest we make this a real masterpiece, especially the ones on the November the 7th 1941 and June the 24th 1945.

Russian counterculture

Please take a look at this section in the Counterculture. mikka (t) 00:50, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Kiev Offensive (1920)

An anon draws an atteltion to a Polish bias in the article. mikka (t) 19:19, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Renamed cities

I noticed this list is not complete yet. List of city name changes in Russia and Soviet Union. mikka (t) 19:36, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Lev Gumilyov

The Anna Akhmatova article says:

Their son, born in 1912, was named Lyov to rhyme with the surname Gumilyov;

What the heck this rhiming thingy could mean? AFAIK, he is known as Lev Gumilyov (Гумилёв). Could it be a fantasy of an engliesh speaker based on a variant of transscription Lev Gumilev (Гумилев), later "fixed" into "Lyov Gumilyov"? mikka (t) 21:10, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

No, this is taken from Akhatova's biography. Gumilev was known as lev/lion of St Petersburg society, Akhmatova as its lioness/svetskaya l'vitsa, so they thought fit to name their son Lev. Just like Tolstoy's case, his name was pronounced by friends and relatives as Lyov so there was a real rhyme there. --Ghirlandajo 06:14, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Not to mention that Лёва (Lyova), Лёвка (Lyovka) and Лёвушка (Lyovushka) are usual diminutives/nicknames of Лев (Lev). --Barbatus 15:18, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

Please start from the top of my notice. Was he really officially named Lyov? The standard Russian name is "Lev". What exactly did the biography say and what was its original language? mikka (t) 06:16, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Historical towns in Russia

I started writing Novozybkov in a non-suspecting attempt to clarify the birthplace of Pavel Dybenko, but suddenly stumbled upon a real big job for you Russians to do:

• Category:Historical cities and towns in Russia
• Historical city of Russia

I quickly created the two, just to round up the edit. But here is the action list:

• Select a proper name for category, before categorizing Vologda, Salekhard, and >400 more.
• What to do with
  • Historical city of Russia (notice there is a large ru:Исторические города России)
  • Historical town of Russia
  • Historical settlement of Russia

in terms of main article and convenience redirects

• Finish Novozybkov; it is a historical town, indeed (I included the russian website reference there)

Za rabotu, tovarishchi! mikka (t) 23:21, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

- the link to list from ru article :)–Gnomz(?) 23:39, September 5, 2005 (UTC)

Well we can at least you can use this to get some ideas for new articles, maybe make a list of historical cities, who knew Uryupinsk is historical, while popular culture holds it as synonym "backwater town" or transform it into a list article instead of a category –Gnomz(?) 23:39, September 11, 2005 (UTC)

What are the criteria in this list? Why Shushenskoye is historic and Moscow is not?

It is! see end of the list(it was automatic transliteration with some manual corrections(read typos)) see original list(it is sorted by region), I can only guarantee the Russian names now –Gnomz(?) 03:23, September 12, 2005 (UTC)

Icon Problem

Dear friends! There's a problem with the Icon article. Some strong and powerful anonymus, who is really a great Protestant believer, is constantly torturing and spoiling the Icon article with different denunciations against icons, Eastern Orthodoxy and Russians as well. Look the history of his changings. From the current Icon article it is clear that all Russians are stupid, that they lack any taste in visual art completely, and that all that guys all around the world that buy, and love, and (what's the most dangerous) worship icons are just dirty fools. When I read the current article I feel as if I read a translation of some Soviet book, published in 1960s. The only guy that opposes this terrible anonymus is an US citizen User:Wesley, but he is obviously too weak to fight with such a fury. Can anybody help? I tried to make an edition towards neutrality, but it was violently deleted. And, what's the most sad, I don't know how they generally handle such cases in this Misplaced Pages. Thanks. Arseni 20:33, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Kondia

I have been trying to create links to the different provinces mentioned in the Full Imperial Title of the Tsars of Russia (please see pages Tsar and Nicholas II of Russia). However, I have no idea where or what Kondia is. Given the surrounding names, I guess it is somewhere either in the Northern part of European Russia, or somewhere in Belarus. But I'm not sure. Can any of you help? If you can, please correct the link on both pages.

The context is ... Государь и Великій Князь Новагорода низовскія земли, Черниговскій, Рязанскій, Полотскій, Ростовскій, Ярославскій, Белозерскій, Удорскій, Обдорскій, Кондійскій, Витебскій, Мстиславскій и всея Сѣверныя страны Повелитель ...

Thanks a lot. --Valentinian 22:33, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

• From rgo.newmail.ru/history/khr_tit.htm Кондийский означает область реки Конды, впадающей в Иртыш, в Тобольской же губернии. Kondia is the region of river Konda flowing into Irtysh in Tobolsk gubernia. abakharev 22:57, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Valentinian, I see you (or someone else) added redirects or even direct pipes (like in ] ) from these archaic names. While you are at this, please make sure that the corresponding articles mention these names, otherwise the redirects may look a bit surprising. mikka (t) 22:57, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Patronymics

Hi, I thought there is an unwritten rule in English WP regarding Russian-related biographies: to omit patronymics in the title. IMHO, it is logical because Russian otchestvo is typically hard to pronounce/spell for English speakers. I know it is not the case in Ru. WP; if there is a consensus to include it here as well, I won't have a problem. Let's try to be consistent either way. ←Humus sapiens←ну? 05:27, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

• Obviously, if there are two equally notable people with different patronimics, e.g Alexei Nikolavich Tolstoy and Alexei Konstantinovich Tolstoy then the patronimic should be in the title. For all the other cases, I would not use the patronimic. Every Russian knows who Shishkin is, much less know that he is Ivan, who, the hell, knows his patronimic? I would also suggest redirects or disambigs with just surnames. 06:24, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

RCOTW

Howdy, fellars! I've been thinking about the Russian Collaboration of the Week for quite some time now. I believe we should revive it. But I wouldn't want it to be like regular COTWs in Misplaced Pages. I mean, I don't want people to vote for them, just let someone pick an article on some Russian dude or event and post it in our portal, and we'll try and fill in the gaps. I can't guarantee, however, that all of us will be able to contribute. This will depend on the topic at hand. What do you guys think? KNewman 14:58, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

LevKamensky is back

Please see to his persistent restoration of glorification of his father Aleksander Kamensky while refusing to discuss anything in the talk page. See also Abram Kamensky. mikka (t) 19:39, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

• In my IMHO, let him be. This is open-source pedia, isn't it? Vald 21:40, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Lubeh

I created the article on this band (I love their tunes), but I am missing some key information. Could anyone help? Zach (Sound Off) 23:47, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Hero of the Russian Federation

I want to make this article into a Featured Article. If yall wish to help, just come right over :). Zach (Sound Off) 06:17, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

User:Zhopa

Zhopa (talk · contribs)

This was just created a few minutes ago. Does this contravene "inappropriate usernames" as per Misplaced Pages:Username policy? -- Curps 20:58, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

I guess it would depend on this user's future behavior and the reasons for chosing such username. After all, if a Chinese guy named "Huy" created an account under his username, that would probably not considered inappropriate, even if he was to edit Russia-related topics. On Russian WP such name would probably spell trouble, but this is English WP; hardly anyone would know what a zhopa is. If the user starts misbehaving, I'd say it's a different story though.—Ëzhiki (erinaceus amurensis) 21:47, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Turkish affairs

User:Tommiks flooded the article on Russo-Turkish Wars (which he calls Russo-Ottoman, as if Turks had little to do with them) with material pillaged from articles on separate wars, as if the Chigirin campaigns and the Turkish front of the WWI had something in common. --Ghirlandajo 07:06, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Grand Duke Aleksei Petrovich?

Despite my admonitions to the contrary, User:Morhange moved the article about Tsarevich Alexis to Grand Duke Alexei Petrovich of Russia without citing any evidence that Peter the Great's only son and heir was ever known as "grand duke". A third opinion is needed. --Ghirlandajo 10:29, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

• I posted a message on his user page, let's wait & see. If he doesn't respond or do it today, we'll move the article to its previous location. KNewman 11:16, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Battle for Moscow

User:Nixer introduced drastical changes to the layout of Moscow without discussing them on the talk page. Currently, there are edit wars as to which version to be kept. Please comment. --Ghirlandajo 07:06, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Russian Orthodox Church

Anon user substantially revised the article Russian Orthodox Church, removing many anti-ROC POV-comments and adding new pro-ROC POV. IMHO, such phrases as "Avvakum Petrovich and many other dissidents commited violence and crimes against the state and for these crimes were persecuted accordingly" are inacceptable. What do you guys think? --Ghirlandajo 19:23, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

People's Artist

Something is screwed up with the terms "People's Artist", in particular, "People's Artist of the USSR". I suspect I screwed this up even more. Please take a look. mikka (t) 23:26, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Timeline of Russian history

Are there any particular reasons that Russian history starts by the Crimean War and end by Khruschev? Should we produce the timeline say from 5th century up to 2005?

• Good point. It should be complete and probably broken into sections (like centuries or something). KNewman 11:04, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Added centuries and expanded the article, starting from "1147: The first reference to Moscow". Vald 21:44, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Proposal for the article. Could somebody start the article Nicholas Mikhailovsky, narodnik. He is referenced in the Timeline of Russian history. Vald 11:09, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Eugenia Volodina

A low-level edit war between me and an anonim. The anon is trying to push an advertisment-style article filled with supermodel with an infinite amount of enviable campaigns and editorial work to her credit. A flawless beauty with refined features, her grace and delicacy has earned her much popularity in the fashion industry indefinitely congealing her name on top fashion houses and designers lists.... I am trying to make an NPOV article out of it. The girl seems to be a notable, every porno-site in existance has a few images of her. The only contributions of the anonim is the article on her, she seems to be quite dear to the anonim

It is kind of stupid to go to a war about an article, that nobody would read anyway, should I abandon the attempts to keep NPOV or continue the edit war? abakharev 05:37, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Sergei Kovalev vs. Sergey Kovalyov

I welcome proper spelling & grammar and do not necessarily oppose the move, but according to the Google test the former name produces 13,500 results, while the latter 1,340. Is an order of magnitude enough of a difference? Is this covered in Transliteration of Russian into English or someplace else? What about Gorbachyov? ←Humus sapiens←ну? 23:53, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Since he is reasonably notable in the English-speaking word, so the traditional English spelling has the precedence over our transliteration rules. Otherwise we will change Leo Tolstoy to Lev Tolstoy and Moscow to Moskva. Thus, he should be Sergei Kovalev. abakharev 02:31, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Second that. I mistakenly moved the article to a third name now but I returned to Sergey Kovalev. We should probably move it back to Sergei Kovalev, --Irpen 04:29, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Prometheism

• Need your help on Międzymorze. I tried to English it as Polish imperialism, but was stymied by Polish editors. In the wikireality, the Russian colonization of Siberia is dubbed imperialism, but the Polish ambitions to extend their territory from one sea to another are not. What do you guys think? --Ghirlandajo 18:38, 2 November 2005 (UTC)