The offending edit does appear to violate both WP:V and WP:NPOV (for a WP:BLP no less) in which case User:THF had every reason to revert it. If you don't want to be reported to ANI then don't break the rules. If there is a problem then you should explain it clearly with diffs and associated policy violations rather than identifying instances where you've been told off for WP:3RR, WP:NPOV, WP:V, etc. violations by a number of editors. -- samj _in 01:45, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

This seems to be a carry-over from the preceding WQA, and Abbarocks' attitude therein. Collect (talk) 02:24, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

• Comment. As uninvolved in this episode i will comment that I have had my own problems with THF that was far less than civil and they may not realize how their online comments are felt even if they weren't intended to be overtly blunt. That's putting it lightly but I think you get the gist. To me they seem to have some ownership issues which can be helpful but may also be crossing the line. Other editors, even newbies and anons, are people too and deserve to be treated civilly and respectfully. Talking down to others generally isn't constructive and likely will escalate problems. -- Banjeboi 02:45, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

• I trust you will be providing diffs so as we can make up our own minds? -- samj _in 09:10, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

• Actually it was all painful enough that no, I'd rather not. I tried to remain constructive and positive so my comments hopefully can be taken at face value. -- Banjeboi 12:03, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

• Response. I have been extraordinarily civil to Abbarocks; please do read the extensive user talk page history. Unfortunately, every edit of his has been either (1) edit-warring against consensus to include OR or other text not supported by the claimed cited sources, often with fake edit summaries purporting "consensus"; (2) edit-warring to delete well-sourced information with edit-summaries falsely calling it OR; (3) tendentious argument on the talk-page to include conspiracy theories of John Buchanan (American politician) about Prescott Bush in articles having nothing to do with Bush, or (4) edit-warring to sanitize Buchanan's biography.

The absolute last straw is that he has followed me to Richard Rossi to start an edit-war there on behalf of a banned editor, complete with a fake edit summary "well sourced" (compare ). This is the sure sign of someone trolling and not here to productively contribute to Misplaced Pages. Far too much productive editor time is being wasted arguing with this user, who has made the grand total of half of a constructive edit in his Misplaced Pages career, and lots of time is being wasted trying to explain OR and EW rules to him. Just as vandals get progressively increasing warnings ranging from "your editing test has been reverted" to "you have not been productive" to "stop or you will be blocked", users who steadfastly refuse to follow OR and EW rules get increasingly stern warnings. Whether Abbarocks is an experienced editor pretending not to understand the rules or a newbie who still doesn't understand the rules (but somehow magically knows how to include savvy edit summaries misrepresenting his work and to avoid going over the 3RR line when he edit-wars) is irrelevant: the effect on the project is the same.

At some point, one loses the presumption of good faith: this is not an editor who is here to contribute productively to the project, but one who is here to disrupt the project, and there is a non-zero chance this is an experienced editor pretending to be novice. I have reported this user to ANI. THF (talk) 08:23, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

THF has a habit of stating his very personally directed and negative opinions as if they are absolute fact. He has no real AGF at all in my experience; it's just something he throws out as a criticism when it's useful to him in putting somebody down. And his edits directly below (Re:Protonk) show clearly his habitual use of personal accusations and assumptions about someone's NEGATIVE intent: "He gave you a forthright answer to your original question, and you asked a question in response that most people would view as disingenuous,.....As wikiquette goes, I'm much more concerned about your misrepresentation...Abbarocks (talk) 16:31, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

I would urge all interested parties to spend 10 minutes reading abbarocks' contributions and judge for themselves. Rklawton (talk) 04:08, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

I would urge all interested parties to also look at these edits from THF for balance. notice the weasel words he uses and how he disparages those with opposing viewpoints, calling them fringe, conspiracy theorists, urban legends, etc. I think worst of all is this attack on a valiant public servant. Others have brought up issues of incivility with THF before and THF has pointed out that he works for a think tank. The question is does wikipedia want a person working for a POV pushing think-tank pushing POV on wikipedia, or should wikipedia strive for neutrality and stop all these nasty personal attacks THF is using? If people think that type of editing is okay behavior to tolerate on wikepdia, is it really okay to edit your employers entry with some dubious category tags? MehTsag (talk) 04:49, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Query: Which of the fringe conspiracy theorists that I called a fringe conspiracy theorist do you believe it is beyond the WP:CIVIL pale to call a fringe conspiracy theorist? Because I'll be happy to show you admins (or, at a minimum, reliable sources) who agree with me for any of them. You realize that we have a whole WP:FRINGE policy that necessarily requires us to discuss whether anti-Semitic conspiracy theorists like Voz de Aztlan are mainstream or not, right? The fact that you have to reach back to August and point out a defensible neutral edit that no one in a highly-trafficked article has objected to in six months to make a content-dispute claim against me speaks for itself. THF (talk) 05:19, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

• Comment: THF is misleading by double synthesis.Voz de Aztlan was never the RS. Yale Herald (which THF has accepted as a RS)was the RS and it was not even quoting Voz de Aztlan but rather someone who works there. Abbarocks (talk) 14:48, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

• That Abbarocks is now claiming that the policies that prohibit us from giving weight to Voz de Aztlan conspiracy theories disappear when one merely quotes such a conspiracy theory coming from the mouth of the head of Voz de Aztlan demonstrates my point very nicely. We are either being trolled or we are faced with an editor incapable of understanding Misplaced Pages policy; the disruption to the project is indistinguishable. THF (talk) 15:42, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

I provided on a brief highlight of the vile material you posted. But if you want me to trim it down even more, then I will point to a former Major General and a former Attorney General. With respect to editing your employers entry people probably assumed good faith since you did not point out that you worked for the organization in the edit summary. MehTsag (talk) 05:32, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

That's a content dispute (and one where I happen to be completely in the right), not a civility complaint. You're in the wrong place. THF (talk) 05:50, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Saying that "NB Ramsey Clark hasn't been an attorney general in over forty years, or credible in over thirty. The fact that he has taken the case is almost prima facie evidence of its meritlessness." (emphasis mine) is not a content dispute, it is a civility complaint and you happen to be completely in the wrong. Please do not tell me where I should and should not be. MehTsag (talk) 06:03, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Discussing the credibility of a source is absolutely required under WP:WEIGHT. I fail to see the WP:CIVIL problem, since Mr. Clark is not a Misplaced Pages editor. To repeat, WQA handles civility complaints, and you are upset with the WP:WEIGHT policy. You can have the WP:LASTWORD. THF (talk) 06:09, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

No, I am upset with the way you characterized Mr. Clark in an unproductive and uncivil manner. I do not have time for this nonsense, I am pointing out a civility issue within a wikiquette alert conversation, an instead of addressing the you are telling me where I belong and what I am upset about, please do not assume anything about me sir. I have put the links to a smattering of uncivil comments by THF out of the 100s of uncivil comments he has made, I will let others decide the issues involved in this wikiquette alert. As I do not enjoy being treated uncivilily by the above editor I am removing myself from this conversation now gentlemen and ladies, my $0.02 have been added. Note that THF amended his above post while I was posting this edit. MehTsag (talk) 06:22, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Hey User:MehTsag, thanks for WP:OUTING THF here... I was wondering who he was... now I know!

Were you planning on identifying the policies violated in the offending edit or were just just implying User:THF has a WP:COI as a personal attack?

In all seriousness I think all three of you can't see past personal issues you have with User:THF and are actively looking to find fault in his work. -- samj _in 09:22, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Comment: Not so,Sam; I've only mentioned his edits directly related to me and my edits and one other right below on the wikiquete page. He took me to ANI right after I placed this alert. I haven't taken him there. He's the one with Attorney power and experience, not me. He's the one whose User page has been deleted, apparently to hide some of his POV, not mine (this is relevant since I am being accused of POV pushing). I could just as easily say that I think you can't see past the personal support you have for THF and are actively looking to find fault in the work of those who he has trouble with, but that would not, I think, be AGF, so maybe you should not be making those assumptions either. Abbarocks (talk) 15:20, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Sarcasm is not needed and not appreciated, it is uncivil and annoying. I did not "out" THF, I pointed to a post where he "outed" himself. I do not appreciate your sarcastic personal attacks Sam, and my posting and the policy I cited speaks for itself. MehTsag (talk) 15:16, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Am I reading this(above) correctly? Does THF work for the American Enterprise Institute? If so I'm going to quit Misplaced Pages right now. I do not want to be on the wrong side of those people, no way, and he's already told me "there will be heck to pay" if I don't revert an edit. I am dead serious and I think someone who knew,if its true, should have warned me sooner. I will immediately drop this alert and revert every edit THF wants me to and never be heard from again. Is it true? Abbarocks (talk) 15:35, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

• • • • • Alert Voluntarily Dropped ! I resign. No hard feelings with anyone, from my end. Misplaced Pages is just not for me. I don't fit in. Sorry to waste people's time. Abbarocks (talk) 16:10, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

User:Protonk overly dismissive?

I would appreciate an outside view as to whether User:Protonk is being uncivil or I'm being overly sensitive. I asked Protonk at User talk:Protonk whether he had a reason to delete a prod notice and P replied "Not really" and referred to the article's "author" . I questioned P's use of the word "author" (which struck me an an attempt to assert ownership by proxy) using the sentence "What does "the author" mean on a wiki?" P described that as "cute", which I don't understand precisely, but is obviously a Bad Thing, as P went on to say that P has "0 patience" for it . My explanation of the point I was trying to make was admittedly blunt (presumably the opposite of cute) and P's response was simply "This conversation is over" .

I think that Protonk is falling short of the standard of civility expected of an experienced user. Am I being oversensitive? Thompson Is Right (talk) 14:01, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

• In a word yes. In longer words your final message was aggressive made real assumptions of bad faith. The point of prod is that anyone can remove a prod for any reason. If you don't like it then AFD is thataway. Opening a wikiquette alert over this is, well, unbelievable. Spartaz 14:09, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
  • I had hoped to make it clear that I am not concerned about the deletion of the prod, but about what seems to me an incivil response to a civil attempt to discuss it. I admit to being provoked before making my last comment. However if the consensus is that P's comments represent an acceptable level of discourse Misplaced Pages then so be it. Thompson Is Right (talk) 14:39, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
    • I'm guessing that Protonk didn't check the history and wrongly assumed that Elonka, who is on a wikibreak, had 'authored' the article. PhilKnight (talk) 15:28, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

I don't have a problem with Protonk's response. He gave you a forthright answer to your original question, and you asked a question in response that most people would view as disingenuous, and he explained himself further. As wikiquette goes, I'm much more concerned about your misrepresentation of Protonk's original response as "Not really" when the actual response was much more substantive than that. Elonka did contribute the majority of substance to the article. The prod was further explained in his original edit summary; he simply felt that the deletion decision would be controversial enough that it should be made by AFD. THF (talk) 15:32, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Closing as resolved I believe the comments above show this is not uncivil - directing further comments to someone who has been more involved in the article is not a bad thing. Removing PROD's when immediate deletion would be controversial is a valid responsibility for any editor, as the next step would indeed be WP:AFD. No incivility, no public attacks. Please let me know on my talk if you have issues with this reasoning. (talk→ Bwilkins / BMW ←track) 17:45, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

User:Jmcw37 and others not responding to arguments

There's been a feud on Talk:Oom_Yung_Doe for some months now about whether or not the on Chung Moo Doe is a reasonable source to include in the article. I've pursued a few content-centered avenues for resolving this dispute -- RS/N was more or less inconclusive, an RFC received no response, and a request for mediation was not agreed to be any of the parties that disagree with me. Discussion on the talk page has now sprawled across several sections: 1, 2, and now 3.

As I see it, one central issue preventing this disagreement from simply being resolved on the talk page is the refusal of some of the other editors to respond to my arguments (sometimes taking the form of specific statements that users aren't planning to participate in further discussion, i.e. to answer my questions). It seems to me that this is a violation of WP:EQ, specifically:

• Do not ignore questions.
• If another disagrees with your edit, provide good reasons why you think that it is appropriate.
• Concede a point when you have no response to it.

I'll limit this complaint to User:Jmcw37's behavior to avoid making things too complicated. Specific arguments which User:Jmc37 has not addressed during this discussion (while continuing to readd the source on the handful of occasions when I've removed it, and more or less ignoring me pointing out that he's not addressing my arguments or answering my questions) include:

• "It seems to me like it's easily possible that one single person emailed the FMC explaining that Chung Moo Doe was a cult, and providing some information on it, and the FMC simply included that information in a page and explained that it came from former members without doing any of its own verification. ... Does that sound easily plausible to you, or no?"
• "I'm removing this source from this article. If anyone would like to restore it, I would ask that you first address ... Misplaced Pages:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_27#Freedom_of_Mind_page_on_Chung_Moo_Doe the issue dougweller raised on the noticeboard."

That first question I asked at least seven or eight times.

Do the folks here agree that this behavior is a violation of WP:EQ? Subverdor (talk) 19:41, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm going to have to say that nobody is required to reply to any question, no matter where it's posted. There could be many reasons why they don't reply: intentional ignoring, not watchlisting the article, away from their computer ... the portions you quoted from WP:EQ would, IMHO, apply to cases where something was purposefully reverted or removed, and you deserved to know why. Purposefully excluding you from a discussion as an attempt to undermine your edits, or to drive you away would be inappropriate. So, in other words, you cannot force anyone to reply to you. (talk→ Bwilkins / BMW ←track) 20:18, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

From a cursory glance at that talk page: "I can't stress enough how unreasonable I think it is to refuse to respond to my arguments and yet still revert my edits." (Subverdor)

Whether or not his characterization is accurate, he's asserting that what's going on is the type of behavior you said it would need to escalate to before it became inappropriate. Subverdor, do you have any diffs to show more specifically what's going on? arimareiji (talk) 20:32, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Taking a closer look at the page, I notice this as one example of what you're talking about. I agree with you about it not being a particularly reliable source, if it's an RS at all. The disclaimer of "this is what some people told us" at the top is particularly troublesome.

But I don't know what to tell you, because the unfortunate reality on Misplaced Pages is that if you're outnumbered - as you seem to be - you'll never get anywhere, even if you have a dozen different guidelines and policies that are explicitly on your side. I'm sorry to advise such a course of action, but honestly the best thing is probably to let it drop and count your blessings that you haven't been as vehemently opposed in other edits. Just my 2 cents. arimareiji (talk) 21:09, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Right, the issue is that my edits removing this source get reverted (examples here, here, and here) claiming that the source is "still under discussion" or that there is not consensus that it needs to go away. Nothing I'd describe as meaningful discussion seems to take place, though; it seems that the other editors on this article are essentially claiming veto power over changes to the article on the basis that "there isn't consensus" without feeling the need to justify a good reason for the consensus. I think the most clearly I can summarize it was how I did on the talk page some time back; search for "this is frustrating". There are (or at least were, a month or so ago) people willing to spend time talking to me about this source -- they just seem extremely reluctant to address what I'm saying.

I can understand that as a practical matter, strength of numbers is important when wrangling over edits to a topic, but certainly that's not a good argument that it's right to acquiesce to such a situation :-). The outnumbering only seems to be 2-to-1 or 3-to-1 or so here anyway. I've been encouraged in this whole effort by policy sections which seem to say that weight of numbers is not at all paramount in policy disputes (example here).

I'll list some other specific examples of what I'm talking about -- this source has got a clear factual inaccuracy right near the beginning (search the talk page for "definitely and absolutely wrong"). I've also been spending time and energy responding to a claim that the Freedom of Mind Center is the same as the Rick Ross institute (which, by the way, it isn't), and so the fact that the Scientology article references reprinted newspaper articles hosted on the Rick Ross site means that this page hosted by the Freedom of Mind Center must be reliable (search for "don't seem to be at all the same to me"). In both of those instances, after I've put time and energy into (for example) researching the Rick Ross institute and discovering that what my fellow disputant is saying seems to be more or less made up, that conversation simply petered out with my questions unaddressed while the debate continued in other, more comfortable territory.

I know it's not possible for anyone to "make" people answer my questions or talk to me :-). Continuing to debate a contentious issue, though, while tactically ignoring inconvenient questions or arguments, seems grossly unreasonable, which is why there are specific etiquette policies against it. Most of what I'm looking for here is simply another opinion or two to (hopefully) confirm my perception that what's going on here is a violation of the etiquette policy. Subverdor (talk) 23:14, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

User:JCRB Posts Insulting Ethnic Remarks & Deletes My Replies

User, JCRB, keeps posting insulting statements about Spaniards. He says that phillipinos are Spaniards. His remarks are offensive to my heritage since I'm a Spaniard and we don't consider philipines as Spaniards. The world knows that philipinos are not Spaniards. When I disagree, he DELETES my remarks. He's a phillipino with a racial identity crisis who thinks he's a Spaniard, and wants everyone to think they they're Spaniards. I urge that you ban him. The following link is the discussion page where he posts his insults:

http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Hispanic#To_JCRB

Thank you, and I hope you deal with the probelm since he greatly offends my heritage. 68.173.91.50 (talk) 20:38, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

We don't censor opinions simply because you happen to disagree with them. I cannot find any instances of User:JCRB removing anything from the talk page, in fact the major incivility, personal attacks and removal of talk page comments are from yourself. You are warned. Anymore and you are risking being blocked. --neon white talk 01:01, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Echo. There's no evidence in the edit history of him removing anything. You're treading on very thin ice when you make nasty remarks about anyone's racial identity, and coming to WQA and repeating it is a Very Bad Idea. arimareiji (talk) 20:20, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

User:IMatthew

This user's comments toward members of the professional wrestling project have been angry and offensive. He left the project several months ago after some members of the project opposed his RFA. Since then, he has returned several times to attack editors and criticize the project. His comments and edit summaries, including , . He holds other editors to different standards, however, as shown here. GaryColemanFan (talk) 02:58, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Just a comment: the whole "" thing is nothing more than a running joke. He doesn't actually go around censoring people. J.delanoy_adds 03:11, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

I just want to mention that I take full responsibility for my comments in the discussion cite above, and that it is my fault for him causing him to say those certain things.--₮RUCӨ 04:03, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Okay, this can probably be solved quite easily if IMatthew and Truco avoided each other from now on. Truco has already taken responsibility for some of the edits, but this seems like both of you have exacerbated the situation, causing stress on both sides. A temporary avoidance of the other will solve this problem, I believe, and thus avoid the need to take this further. I hope both of you agree to do this. Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 17:18, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Jayron32 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

This user disrupted me with a threatening warning , when asked why gave this rationale , and subsequently refused to provide evidence of his explanation . But he was happy to threaten me again , and again , and again , and again , and again . 94.192.38.247 (talk) 04:42, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Looking at the edit histories, 94.192.38.247's accusations appear to be factually incorrect, while his edit history shows some significant civility problems. Edward321 (talk) 05:43, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Agree with Edward. 94.192's complaint is disingenuous. He knows exactly what Jayron was warning him about. This is frivolous harassment. THF (talk) 17:23, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

KP Botany (talk · contribs)

There has recently been a discussion on Misplaced Pages talk:Bots/Requests for approval and Misplaced Pages:Bots/Requests for approval/Addbot 19 where KP Botany has requested a review of one of Addbot's recent tasks. In the discussion KP Botany has accused users of using "administrator machine guns", "... to gain a solid front", and "threatinging and obfruscating the discussion", as well as other uncivil edits such as this one. I would like to request an uninvolved editor to help mediate these discussions. —Nn123645 (talk) 07:07, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes a WQA is appropriate at this point in time. Relevant links are Wikipedia_talk:Bots/Requests_for_approval, Misplaced Pages:Bots/Requests for approval/Addbot 19, Misplaced Pages:Bot_owners' noticeboard#Addbot and Misplaced Pages:Bot requests#WikiProject.2FTaskforce Spammer.. Headbomb {_{κοντριβς} – WP Physics} 07:13, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Edit conflict.

But of course, you did not include any diffs that show what these were response to and just how many editors over there are threatening to block me, telling me I'm "flipping out," "freaking out," "slandering pretty much everyone who disagrees," that I have a "grudge" against a bot, from an admin, no less.

Don't bother me with this, as long as it is less than half the story, considering the number of BAG members going after me as ferociously as possible personally instead of addressing very real concerns about the use of bots without community consensus.

As long as Misplaced Pages administrators are the ones who set the tone, and support the gang up and personally attack mentality, this is just more of the personal attacks.

--KP Botany (talk) 07:19, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

I gave the links to the full discussions. Please stop being WP:POINTY.Headbomb {_{κοντριβς} – WP Physics} 07:28, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

KP Botany I opened this WQA primarily for the reason that I would like to prevent this dispute from escalating. It is not a personal attack on you, nor an attempt to bury your concerns, but rather an attempt to resolve this as peacefully as possible by requesting outside input. I would also like to point out that I am not a BAG member, a full list of BAG members can be obtained at WP:BAG. —Nn123645 (talk) 07:33, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

User:WLaccount

WLaccount (talk · contribs) has been engaging in blatant incivility and, more particularly, calling for unwarranted bans in AFD discussions and users' talk pages as noted , , I NOMINATE GOG DODO BE BANNED FROM WIKIPEDIA, I NOMINATE GOG DODO BE BANNED FROM WIKIPEDIA again, , . The pages in question are as follows: Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Henry Mortensen (actor), Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Kriss Perras Running Waters, User talk:WLaccount, and User talk:Shawnpoo. MuZemike 08:27, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

• Note – user has been warned about said conduct , , , , and but to no avail. User has also removed speedy templates , and . MuZemike 08:34, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

I think you'd be best off at WP:ANI. —Nn123645 (talk) 08:42, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Looking at the comments, I was just giong to do that. MuZemike 08:43, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Well briefly looking over his contribs all I can say is he appears to be a new editor that is WP:OWNing articles. I see you and other editors who commented on the AFD posted a section on his talk page about it. As the editor appears is new and may not understand policy I think it would be a good idea to point him to the adopt-a-user and editor assistance. —Nn123645 (talk) 09:02, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

I left a note on WLaccount's talk page regarding this. In hindsight the referral to ANI may not have been neseccary, WLaccount seems to be confused about policies and willing to change his behaviour. —Nn123645 (talk) 10:04, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

User:ShamenWeb

This user seems to be obsessed with mocking User:SchuminWeb. They claim that this was done by someone else using their account, but offer no explanation for or where they added pictures of this user with insulting captions. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:30, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Not sure what you are claiming is a civility issue here. You've provided diffs of a user simply editing their own user page. Was this a mistake? --neon white talk 02:12, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Editing their own user page,yes, and placing photos of another user with a similar name with insulting "fat joke" captions attached. Beeblebrox (talk) 02:18, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

I think perhaps you have been confused by the (seemingly deliberate) similarity in usernames. The guy in the pictures in Ben Schumin, known around here as User:SchuminWeb. The guy adding the pictures with the insulting captions is User:ShamenWeb who seems to be trying to make it appear as a coincidence by adding the Native American stuff to his user page, all the while adding back in insults directed at Schumin. Frankly, I suspect Shamen is a returning user with an ax to grind. Beeblebrox (talk) 02:40, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes, having stumbled upon this report a short while ago, I agreed with the above and decided to go ahead and place a block. —Travis 03:02, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

I think that is extremely premature and over the top to be honest. Has the editor been asked to remove the content as is suggested in guidelines? Has the other user objected to the use of the image? maybe he has given permission. We need to assume good faith until the editors respond. --neon white talk 16:19, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Allow me to expand my previous comment: I also examined the user's talkpage and contribution history before taking action. I did AGF, but ended up with a different conclusion and blocked, primarily, as a username vio. —Travis 17:36, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

You can see on his talk page that I did discuss his civility issues with him, SchuminWeb left him a note asking him to change his username, so obviously he did not want to mocked on the user page, and after the last incident, given the bad faith shown by this user's actions, I gave them a "final warning" that a repeat of this behavior would be unacceptable, and he pretended not to understand what the problem was. Good faith was extended to this user, and bad acts were returned in exchange. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:32, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Personal attack by User:Future Perfect at Sunrise

I started a thread on data and citation manipulation to which this admin referred to as "stirring the shit", and asked me why I wouldn't "stop stirring the shit". no comment.--Bizso (talk) 12:11, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

I WAS SENT HERE FROM WP:ANI! Are you joking me?--Bizso (talk) 12:46, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Joking, no ... I answered your complaint in ANI, as did others. You were advised in ANI that future NPA/civility complaints should be in WQA, not the current one, as it was already there. (talk→ Bwilkins / BMW ←track) 12:52, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Bwilkins, your own comment was "But please, do open this at WQA so I can say the same thing"... No other comments on the ANI thread made it clear that they were suggesting that 'future' complaints belonged here, but not this current one. That said, I don't consider this a personal attack at all, or uncivil enough to discuss even on this board. --Onorem♠Dil 12:57, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Jeez, you admins are all a bunch of morons, you've lost track of what's uncivil or not. Stop protecting your own kind and open your eyes... Dipsticks... 85.75.184.33 (talk) 15:49, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, no admins have commented here. I will say that your comment is obviously unacceptable. Please try to stay civil. --Onorem♠Dil 15:52, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Our resident dipstick expert is, of course, User:Walnutjk, who delights in randomly reverting half a dozen of my edits twice a day. He's as banned as banned can be. Thanks for rolling him back. Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:07, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Disruptive User:Veecort returns to ITT Technical Institute

User:Veecort, who had been editing the ITT Technical Institute article with a negative POV, has returned from three months of inactivity. He has accused all and sundry of being "PR" for ITT Tech .

He has also been incivil on the article's talk page , and he has also posted a profane off-topic rant there (while Misplaced Pages is not censored, I still question whether this is appropriate for talk pages).

It should be noted that Veecort's negative POV on the subject isn't really in dispute. I'm not including diffs because this all happened months ago, but they can be provided if needed. McJeff (talk) 12:36, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Please note that because I couldn't find the wikiquette alert template I haven't yet informed Veecort of this discussion. McJeff (talk) 12:38, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

No need for a template. Just say "Hi, because of the incivility issues, I have opened a Civility Complaint at WP:WQA, thanks"...just like that. (talk→ Bwilkins / BMW ←track) 12:59, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

I will warn him. Dcoetzee 12:59, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

User:Tothwolf Failure to Assume Good Faith

On this AfD discussion ], User:Tothwolf suggested that by AfDing the article (an article about a susection of a residential subdivision) I was violating the policy not to disrupt wikipedia to prove a point. He wrote a note to the future closing admin to note my "bias" linked to a previously deleted version of my User Page. In that deleted version, I had expressed at length negative feelings about Misplaced Pages. My feelings about Misplaced Pages are changing, becoming more positive, and I deleted my comments because I decided to put my old feelings about Misplaced Pages behind me and give it a fresh start, and I continue to make constructive edits in good faith, and would like the same fresh start I have given Misplaced Pages. I don't think it is right for editors like Tothwolf to continue to use my old deleted views to undermine my contributions to discussions when there is no evidence that my old views are coloring my viewpoint in new discussions. I think this violates the spirit of WP:AGF.

I respecfully but firmly asked Tothwolf to remove his comments directed to me and those directed to the closing admin attempting to prejudice the admin against me, as I don't think such comments are appropriate or constructive. I received from him in response a note that I should read WP:CIVIL.Mmyers1976 (talk) 17:22, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

• It looks to me like Tothwolf is a little off base, and how he even knew about the old revision of your user page is unclear. Apparently he scanned through old versions of it looking for "dirt" as it doesn't seem you two had any previous interaction. The accusations of being POINT-y and biased are off base, but, as far as the admin closing the AfD is concerned, I think they would know to ignore such a cheap ploy. From what I can see here, you remained civil and tried to keep the AfD on topic, so I don't know where he's coming from really. My suggestion is not to let his baiting and bad faith affect you, I for one do believe in redemption and assuming good faith, and I'm glad to see you trying to turn around your attitude and see Misplaced Pages in a better light. I think what I'm seeing here is just an editor who knows just enough to quote a policy at you and dig through your contribs, but doesn't understand that such things are not relevant to an AfD, only the strength of the arguments presented are important there. You could be Jimmy Wales' childhood friend, or the guy who spit in his latte this morning, it makes no difference. My advice is to ignore this guy, I'll leave a note myself at that AfD. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:48, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you so much. Mmyers1976 (talk) 17:52, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Actually Beeblebrox, I don't think you've all the facts here.
I always WP:AGF but what I continue to see in that AfD is Mmyers1976 systemically browbeating anyone who expresses an opposing view.
As for Mmyers1976's user page, anytime I see a blanked page I check the history. I think most of us who do much in the way of reverting vandalism do. What I saw in the last revision of that page absolutely shows a bias and not pointing out such a thing in an AfD would be a disservice to both Misplaced Pages and to the other editors and admins involved in that AfD.
With the replies Mmyers1976 left on my talk page (that they edited multiple times) after I suggested they read WP:POINT I don't think my suggestion to read WP:POINT was off base at all.
Considering how Mmyers1976 continues to handle things, and especially the misuse of WP:WQA in an attempt to force me to change my comments I feel my suggestion that they read WP:CIVIL was even more pertinent. If Mmyers1976 has a problem with my comments at the AfD then they are free to take it to AN/I.
Someone also should point out to Mmyers1976 that posting something and then continually editing it, especially when changing the meaning or trying to give it more bite goes against talk page etiquette WP:REDACT and AfD guideslines.
Furthermore, in the future Beeblebrox, please WP:DTTR. I've been around Misplaced Pages a very, very long time although that might not be obvious if you are looking at the creation date for this account. You templating someone such as myself who has been a very active contributor in and of itself steps on the boundaries of WP:AGF. I'm going to remove the template you applied to my talk page now and this will be the first time I've ever had to remove such a thing.
--Tothwolf (talk) 18:51, 10 March 2009 (UTC)