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| The article is a fork of the ] article and does not contain anything more than what is contained in the Novruz article. Novruz is not an event specific to Azerbaijan, and the term "Novruz in Azerbaijan" doesn't actually exist. There is no need to have country-specific entries for global festivals. For example, we do not have articles titled "Christmas in Germany" or "Easter in France" or "New Year in Spain", we just have entries for the actual festivals or holidays. ] 19:56, 22 March 2009 (UTC) | The article is a fork of the ] article and does not contain anything more than what is contained in the Novruz article. Novruz is not an event specific to Azerbaijan, and the term "Novruz in Azerbaijan" doesn't actually exist. There is no need to have country-specific entries for global festivals. For example, we do not have articles titled "Christmas in Germany" or "Easter in France" or "New Year in Spain", we just have entries for the actual festivals or holidays. ] 19:56, 22 March 2009 (UTC) | ||
| *'''Comment:''' Very interesting that from a zillion wikipedia users, it was ] who came with a proposal for deletion. Whatever the reasons were, not a wise step from an interested party. Is it? ]-] 19:54, 23 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Comment''' ''For example, we do not have articles titled "Christmas in Germany"'' ... ] is never a very persuasive argument, and besides we have ]. The question here is the usual ] issue: whether there's enough material out there about Nr in Azerbaijan and how it differs from other countries, as opposed to simply Novruz in general. One easy place to start would be the history of its official treatment by the government: how was it treated during the Soviet period, when did the government make it an official holiday, how many vacation days do people get for it --- 's a start. ] (]) 05:35, 23 March 2009 (UTC) | *'''Comment''' ''For example, we do not have articles titled "Christmas in Germany"'' ... ] is never a very persuasive argument, and besides we have ]. The question here is the usual ] issue: whether there's enough material out there about Nr in Azerbaijan and how it differs from other countries, as opposed to simply Novruz in general. One easy place to start would be the history of its official treatment by the government: how was it treated during the Soviet period, when did the government make it an official holiday, how many vacation days do people get for it --- 's a start. ] (]) 05:35, 23 March 2009 (UTC) | ||
| **I added a few sources, but they're pretty meagre. If more can't be found, I wouldn't object to a '''merge''' back to ]. ] (]) 06:17, 23 March 2009 (UTC) | **I added a few sources, but they're pretty meagre. If more can't be found, I wouldn't object to a '''merge''' back to ]. ] (]) 06:17, 23 March 2009 (UTC) | ||
| *'''Keep'''. The holiday has several distinct features unique to this country. The article may be not in its best form, but certainly does not deserve deletion, especially as compared to such holiday-specific entries as ] or ]. ]] 11:49, 23 March 2009 (UTC) | *'''Keep'''. The holiday has several distinct features unique to this country. The article may be not in its best form, but certainly does not deserve deletion, especially as compared to such holiday-specific entries as ] or ]. ]] 11:49, 23 March 2009 (UTC) | ||
| ::What distinct features? It doesn't seem to have any. Also, it is strange that for Iran, where the festival is of far greater importance both culturally and numerically, there is no need for a separate article. Yes, there IS a seprarate article for its celebration amongst Kurds - but they are an ethnic group, not a country, and for them it does have distinct features (its political and self-determination aspects). I'm not suggesting removing information, just questioning the need for an article that does nothing more than duplicate what is already in the main Novruz article. Maybe merge would have been a better proposal to make, but I felt that since it is already all in the main article, there wouldn't be much to merge. ] 17:35, 23 March 2009 (UTC) | ::What distinct features? It doesn't seem to have any. Also, it is strange that for Iran, where the festival is of far greater importance both culturally and numerically, there is no need for a separate article. Yes, there IS a seprarate article for its celebration amongst Kurds - but they are an ethnic group, not a country, and for them it does have distinct features (its political and self-determination aspects). I'm not suggesting removing information, just questioning the need for an article that does nothing more than duplicate what is already in the main Novruz article. Maybe merge would have been a better proposal to make, but I felt that since it is already all in the main article, there wouldn't be much to merge. ] 17:35, 23 March 2009 (UTC) | ||
| :::Green sprouts of samani with ribbon (not ]), khoncha, which differs from ] and so forth. Yet another thing I expected :) ]] 20:23, 23 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Keep'''. Novruz is our national holiday, as well as whole Middle East. Something sinful or shameful here? ]-] 19:54, 23 March 2009 (UTC) | *'''Keep'''. Novruz is our national holiday, as well as whole Middle East. Something sinful or shameful here? ]-] 19:54, 23 March 2009 (UTC) | ||
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The article is a fork of the Novruz article and does not contain anything more than what is contained in the Novruz article. Novruz is not an event specific to Azerbaijan, and the term "Novruz in Azerbaijan" doesn't actually exist. There is no need to have country-specific entries for global festivals. For example, we do not have articles titled "Christmas in Germany" or "Easter in France" or "New Year in Spain", we just have entries for the actual festivals or holidays. Meowy 19:56, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
- Comment For example, we do not have articles titled "Christmas in Germany" ... WP:OTHERCRAPDOESNTEXIST is never a very persuasive argument, and besides we have Category:Christmas traditions by country. The question here is the usual WP:N issue: whether there's enough material out there about Nr in Azerbaijan and how it differs from other countries, as opposed to simply Novruz in general. One easy place to start would be the history of its official treatment by the government: how was it treated during the Soviet period, when did the government make it an official holiday, how many vacation days do people get for it --- here's a start. cab (talk) 05:35, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
- I added a few sources, but they're pretty meagre. If more can't be found, I wouldn't object to a merge back to Novruz#Novruz in Azerbaijan. cab (talk) 06:17, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
- Keep. The holiday has several distinct features unique to this country. The article may be not in its best form, but certainly does not deserve deletion, especially as compared to such holiday-specific entries as Japanese New Year or Egg decorating in Slavic culture. brandспойт 11:49, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
- What distinct features? It doesn't seem to have any. Also, it is strange that for Iran, where the festival is of far greater importance both culturally and numerically, there is no need for a separate article. Yes, there IS a seprarate article for its celebration amongst Kurds - but they are an ethnic group, not a country, and for them it does have distinct features (its political and self-determination aspects). I'm not suggesting removing information, just questioning the need for an article that does nothing more than duplicate what is already in the main Novruz article. Maybe merge would have been a better proposal to make, but I felt that since it is already all in the main article, there wouldn't be much to merge. Meowy 17:35, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
- Green sprouts of samani with ribbon (not samanu), khoncha, which differs from Haft-Sin and so forth. Yet another thing I expected :) brandспойт 20:23, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
- What distinct features? It doesn't seem to have any. Also, it is strange that for Iran, where the festival is of far greater importance both culturally and numerically, there is no need for a separate article. Yes, there IS a seprarate article for its celebration amongst Kurds - but they are an ethnic group, not a country, and for them it does have distinct features (its political and self-determination aspects). I'm not suggesting removing information, just questioning the need for an article that does nothing more than duplicate what is already in the main Novruz article. Maybe merge would have been a better proposal to make, but I felt that since it is already all in the main article, there wouldn't be much to merge. Meowy 17:35, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
- Keep. Novruz is our national holiday, as well as whole Middle East. Something sinful or shameful here? Ateshi-Baghavan 19:54, 23 March 2009 (UTC)