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Blood and Roses was a trading game, along the lines of Monopoly. The Blood side played with human atrocities for the counters, atrocities on a large scale: individual rapes and murders didn't count, there had to have been a large number of people wiped out. Massacres, genocides, that sort of thing. The Roses side played with human achievements. Artworks, scientific breakthroughs, stellar works of architecture, helpful inventions. Monuments to the soul's magnificence, they were called in the game. There were sidebar buttons, so that if you didn't know what Crime and Punishment was, or the Theory of Relativity, or the Trail of Tears, or Madame Bovary, or the Hundred Years' War, or The Flight into Egypt, you could double-click and get an illustrated rundown, in two choices: R for children, PON for Profanity, Obscenity, and Nudity. That was the thing about history, said Crake: it had lots of all three.

The exchange rates — one Mona Lisa equalled Bergen-Belsen, one Armenian genocide equalled the Ninth Symphony plus three Great Pyramids — were suggested, but there was room for haggling. To do this you needed to know the numbers — the total number of corpses for the atrocities, the latest open-market price for the artworks; or, if the artworks had been stolen, the amount paid out by the insurance policy. It was a wicked game.

The sack of Troy, says a voice in his ear. The destruction of Carthage. The Vikings. The Crusades. Ghenghis Kahn. Attila the Hun. The massacre of the Cathars. The witch burnings. The destruction of the Aztec. Ditto the Maya. Ditto the Inca. The Inquisition. Vlad the Impaler. The massacre of the Huguenots. Cromwell in Ireland. The French Revolution. The Napoleonic Wars. The Irish Famine. Slavery in the American South. King Léopold in the Congo. The Russian Revolution. Stalin. Hitler. Hiroshima. Mao. Pol Pot. Idi Amin. Sri Lanka. East Timor. Saddam Hussein.

"Stop it," says Snowman.

Sorry, honey. Only trying to help.

That was the trouble with Blood and Roses: it was easier to remember the Blood stuff. The other trouble was that the Blood player usually won, but winning meant you inherited a wasteland. This was the point of the game, said Crake, when Jimmy complained. Jimmy said that if that was the point, it was pretty pointless. He didn't want to tell Crake that he was having some severe nightmares: the one where the Parthenon was decorated with cut-off heads was, for some reason, the worst.

— From Oryx and Crake, by Margaret Atwood

I Put something on

The WP Indonesia - project talk page not that will do anything - outsiders with no local experience will try to keep to Bill Daltons and the wheelers versions acceding to supposedly proper 70's spelling and try to ignore current usage for sure, sigh and even redirects seem to be ignored as a sop SatuSuro 07:00, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

There's no hurry; the redirect works for now. Jack Merridew 07:08, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

RE: SatuSuro speak - (fit the 34th): When watching other talk pages - 'Dark Side' - depending upon context can mean anything related to : (1) Hotmail, IE, and the whole Windows family of OS (2) 24 inspired conspiracy theories about anything to do with the upper levels of government anywhere and the people involved (3) cabals/groups of persons with ulterior motive with no face or trace - perhaps you have met them already here :) SatuSuro 09:15, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Moon of Pejeng

On March 12, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Moon of Pejeng, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Well done good suggestion - you should take all the blame/credos :) SatuSuro 11:49, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Festival

Menurut pak Jack - disini belum cocok atau sudah habis? Balispirit Festival - thanks if you are able - whatever SatuSuro 00:58, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

I think ive fixed it - if you have heard of it that would be a bonus :) SatuSuro 01:24, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Ya, I've heard of it. It's a huge tourist scam. Lure the yoga crowd to Bali and sell'em accommodation at 10x the usual rates. I'd have let the prod stand. Jack Merridew 06:49, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

That is a pity - I can see the juxtaposition of the scam festivals as you put it versus the traditional festivals as a good example of what is happening to the place :( - and I aint gonna do any more to the stub after your tags so it will be interesting to see if it catches up with the 2 year old tags on various indonesian articles :) - oh and the marvellous dr blofield (?) has been adding more maps to the godforsaken bali stubs with no reliable source i note SatuSuro 11:50, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

There are many such 'Earthy' activities running here; mostly they are less about saving the world and 'finding' yourself (need your soul pulled? Ubud's the place) than about 'clicking here to book your package now'. The tags I pasted on it were not targeting what you did; rather you only had their relentless self-promotion to work from. Cheers, Jack Merridew 13:12, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Yeah well - the problem is if we were purist about this project - half of the Indonesian project wouldnt even be up - so few stubs have WP:RS for WP:V in sight SatuSuro 04:31, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Two technical templatey things

• OK, I would be very grateful if you could add an 'edit' command on my user page which allowed me to directly edit the daughter pages (like the small v-d-e commands on some templates), such as on the template on the lower RHS of this page. Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:05, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

• Now, the other thing is this template - I wish to remove the expiry date and the needs X votes by date, and replace with "X votes remains for 2/1/0 more nominations". thus just "start=", and "rounds left=" - I was going to do it but was not sure with all the scary warnings...

Ping me if I haven't clarified enough. Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:05, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Sure; I'll have to poke about a bit, but such is certainly doable. Cheers, Jack Merridew 07:52, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

AIV

Hi there! I hope you don't think I'm being especially picky with your AIV reports. I'm just being extra careful until i've got the hang of the admin mop, especially with school IPs. Thank you for your report on the Lithium user's vandalising of the AIV page, i've now blocked them for a couple of weeks. Hopefully they'll grow up whilst they're away. --GedUK  13:35, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Nah, I know you're a fresh admin. I took the other account to UAA and have not checked back yet. Lithium I just noticed in the shuffle. That whole AAV page is pretty busy; I had several edit conflicts. Mop-well. Cheers, Jack Merridew 14:05, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Headache

Please leave you know who alone, and leave off allusions to you know what. WP is a big place. Today is really not shaping up to be a good day....Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:11, 24 March 2009 (UTC)