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I've pillaged ] to overhaul ]. It's been similarly coatracked like ] as showing women as diseased bag sex bunnies. Or at least it felt that way. I hope this will at least slow the nonsense on WSW and give time to clean-up MSM. ] 20:17, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
I've pillaged ] to overhaul ]. It's been similarly coatracked like ] as showing women as diseased bag sex bunnies. Or at least it felt that way. I hope this will at least slow the nonsense on WSW and give time to clean-up MSM. ] 20:17, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
== Rosewood ==
Hi, Skywriter. I'm sure you notice that I'm working on ], trying to add content and improve the sourcing. I would like to be able to get it to GA or FA level. I'm still searching and waiting for more sources. I'll probably rewrite the lead. I just wanted you to know that I'm not trying to undo what you're doing to the article, but I'm keeping in mind how the sources characterize the incident. "Pogrom" is a term not used in Florida to refer to racial issues. I admit I'm having difficulty with the first sentence because some of the sources refer to it as a race riot. Others characterize it as something closer to a pogrom, but that is a foreign term, and I feel as if it doesn't fit. At any rate, I just wanted you to know the article will be in flux over the next few weeks. I don't want to dissuade you from participating, and I need copy edits when I think I will be closer to being finished, just to make sure I am sufficiently expressing the thoughts I'm trying to get out. --] (]) 20:02, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Reply: Hi Moni3. Please see the article talk page for further discussion and extensive referencing. I ask that you respect what the people of Rosewood and their descendants endured. Rosewood is an example of ethnic cleansing ("Leave or Die") that occurred in many places across the United States. The use of language in the lede that dances around that fact (by weakening what transpired) is objectionable as Professor Strickland states succinctly in the current issue of ''Black Commentator'' I hope to reach amicable agreement on this issue.] (]) 09:55, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
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Those are two different posts above. The sarcasm is wasted since it masks your inability in the end to resolve the dispute (which Malleus F accomplished with one remark), even though you did defend me very ably and articulately on Raul654's talk page. I am appreciative, however, of the difficult task you admins have. Fowler&fowler«Talk»20:44, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
Sarcasm is often wasted when more direct language would communicate the idea more clearly. In this instance, however, it seemed to express my disgust and frustration pretty well. I didn't defend you. It's not about you, and I am not sure you realize that. It's about the best quality articles we can produce, without expressing utter contempt for nominators or reviewers. Actually, it's a bonus for all if reviewers' comments can assist and encourage while addressing the needs of the article. This seems particularly difficult for you to do, which is why it is a good thing to consider undertaking more often. Anything difficult is worth doing, particularly when it involves being gracious when you just don't feel like it.
Though indeed Malleus is a god among men, if a single comment could resolve the issues that arose from your unfriendly exchanges with Ottava Rima, it was probably a fairly insignificant problem in the first place. I think it's more accurate to say it's a complex issue that goes far beyond you, and since the issues are being discussed still, it does not seem as if it is resolved anyway. Grace and Light to you nonetheless. --Moni3 (talk) 15:37, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
For the record, Moni, I think your conduct has been high class throughout your involvement in this. Thanks for being peachy keen. --Laser brain(talk)01:36, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
Moni, that reply ALMOST makes me wish I was a lesbian. Almost. (grins) (Hope that makes you smile, it's meant to!) Ealdgyth - Talk01:40, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
Agree, you handled this very well, thanks very much Moni. I predict, nay guarantee, peace in our time from here ;) Ceoil (talk) 12:20, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
"Millions of peaches. Peaches for free..." Thank you friends and colleagues. Ealdgyth, such a string of inappropriateness your comment caused in my head. Ceoil, isn't that what Chamberlain said after coming back from meeting with Hitler? Or is that phrase a euphemism in the British Isles for "I'm really hoping this is the end of the ugliness, but we're probably going to get bombed to shit and back pretty soon"? --Moni3 (talk) 15:37, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
Feck Moni; you got me <hrm>. I was hedeging, hoping you would not notice. Can I strike the guarantee bit...seems silly now and tied up to all kinds of strings. Jokes aside, I really appreciated the frank talking. Ceoil (talk) 20:07, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
I think that one on the right is a chick, because the other one is copping a feel. This is what is known as "art appreciation". I am quite pleased that my talk page (which I just called my "cock page" when showing it to Mrs. Moni - thanks APK) has become the primary venue for chicken-related pornography and laughably awful gay jokes. Once I had a roommate who may have been gayer than me, but that has yet to be determined. We got him one of those old tin advertisements with a dancing rooster on it for a product I suppose used to be known as "Gay Cock". He fell in love with it and cried when we gave it to him. He used to get in our other roommate's bikini - and he was possibly 250 pounds, and looked a bit like a linebacker until he did the gay thing - and went in the front yard and rode a ceramic decorative carousel horse the landlord thought was neat to put as a lawn ornament. This was in rural Kissimmee where most of the neighbors were retired. I often wonder what they said about that nutty, nutty house... --Moni3 (talk) 22:04, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for your assistance re Peter Wherrett. Verifiability is the key. Just in case anyone is trying to use this as confirmation, I visited Peter in hospital last week but I am not confirming or denying his passing. If necessary, I may request an extension of protection. If or when there is a public announcement, I'll request unprotection if it hasn't already expired, and I'll make the appropriate changes to the article myself. I believe that the names stated on the talk page should be deleted and possibly oversighted for reasons that I will not disclose here. --AliceJMarkham (talk) 01:39, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
If you feel that the email address and the names should be deleted, feel free to pursue oversight. I won't be upset at all. I started a thread on Wherrett at the BLP noticeboard, so hopefully more admins will assist as I am about to go to bed for the night. --Moni3 (talk) 01:46, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
Newsletter?
Hi Moni3 - wondering if you'd like to spend some time together drafting another newsletter edition based on your template? Perhaps if we first work out what we want to cover, we could come up with a division of labour that'd work for us both. Let me know if you're still keen. Gonzonoir (talk) 09:01, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
Isn't there any chick-on-chick action? Please, go down on a boat already!
Speaking of GA candidates, LGBT themes in comics is looking for more eyes including reviewers. In addition to other items I suggest this for the newsletter. Plus you can use this cute-as-buttons image and insert a witty caption. -- Banjeboi11:19, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Moni: Something about your recent magnum opus reminds me of the sensibilty of this tragic song. Listen and weep, but take heart that the losses sustained in this little-known historic event have been replaced (at least in part) by the collection now found in Boston and environs. Congratulations for restoring faith in American culture. Regards, Kablammo (talk) 20:02, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
"Five sources have been used to confirm that Jane Addams was in two romantic friendships in her life. You may not be comfortable with the term "lesbian" to define her, but the term did not exist as we know it during her life to describe the relationships she was in."
This is not about me it's about Addams and four of the sources listed on her article that say anything about her sexuality are about the debate over whether or not she was a lesbian and the fifth I can't read myself but it looks less than scholarly as does this article so long as we assume she had a sexual relationship with women without proof.
You're not going to win this. Seriously. And this is not about making a point. Addams' article is simply insufficient to explain any parts of her life in any detail that she deserves. I started a thread at any rate on the talk page, but it is moot. The article needs to be overhauled, with full details about both of her long term relationships with women, as well as her formidable career. --Moni3 (talk) 20:32, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
Ottava needs a warning too
WTF does he mean by "I am sure you use a dailup connection in Mumbai". Is he tryin to mock the citizens of Mumbai by implying that they use old-technology? I am sure he is the one who uses it! Anyways, sorry for that edit. Enjoy! I better save this edit before my dail-up disconnects. Lulz! Haha! 59.182.64.6 (talk) 20:35, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
This entire presentation between you, Ottava Rima, and Fowler&fowler reminds me of the scene from Airplane!, where Ted and Elaine meet for the first time. It's in a dive bar, and for humorous effect, they show two (ostensibly looking) Girl Scouts cheating at a card game and getting into a horrible knock-down drag-out fight, breaking chairs over each other, throwing each other over banisters, sliding down the bar and landing headfirst into the jukebox, which starts a sped-up version of the Bee Gee's "Staying Alive". In every shot of the bar, those Girl Scouts are wrestling, breaking tables while people are having beer, getting thrown on the dance floor, throwing peanuts at each other. That's what this whole thing is. We're all trying to enjoy a nasty dive bar that plays disco music, and you can't help yourselves, fighting and interrupting everyone else. Showing your yellow underwear as you toss each other around. We can't just ignore you. You break the damn tables we're trying to enjoy our beers at. All three of you...angry cheating yellow underwear-sporting girls. --Moni3 (talk) 20:42, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
Hey! Lets leave the classic scene as it was... with only 2 chicks (ie. Ottawa and Fowler). Can't you see even I am the one who is enjoying them slug it out! I promise I'll stay away from them and these discussions. Only article-editing from today! Happy day ahead! 59.182.64.6 (talk) 20:57, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
Before I finally leave your talk page I'll add that whatsoever their differences...individually they are great editors. Nobody can deny that. (Not that I have forgiven Ottawa for his nasty remark) Bye. 59.182.64.6 (talk) 21:12, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
That's the stuff, APK. What's tragic, anon IP is that you are correct. They are both extremely talented. Why then are they apparently obsessed with such fine points, dragging their colleagues — who are just as talented — into their constant ongoing disputes? Which begs the question of why you are, as we say here, poking the bear to make it worse? --Moni3 (talk) 22:00, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
I don't much care for the Bee Gees at all, not since I saw them flounce off of a Clive Anderson TV show a few years ago, just because he called them tossers. I do though like your analogy Moni3, and I really do wish the Fowler vs Ottava thing could be brought to some kind of mutually respectful conclusion. --MalleusFatuorum01:01, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Aw, Clive was drunk and Barry got a bad deal. The pinnacle of disco did not deserve such a verbal assault. Plus, "tosser" has no meaning in American. "What'd I toss?" would be my first question. --Moni3 (talk) 01:04, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Buffin' the muffin'! That was worth my waking up this morning. O English. Thou art so fleeting and ephemeral. And so freakin' funny. --Moni3 (talk) 01:19, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Moni, after all our conversations about STDs, I'm shocked that you didn't know what "tossing" and "tossing off" means ;-) . Graham. Graham Colm01:24, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
We indeed had many long, detailed discussions about STDs. I'm not saying I am not aware of what "tosser" means, it's just a word I'm so unused to that to be called such a thing means very little to me. I might not storm off of Clive's show. Instead, I would look at him blankly and wait for some explanation, neutralizing the zinger by killing the moment. --Moni3 (talk) 01:31, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
There's clearly a subtlety in the language that the wikithingy has failed to capture. Tosser is a term that I've only ever seen or heard addressed to males. And the Bee Gees are of course English, so ... --MalleusFatuorum01:41, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Need drama?
Up for GA is this bit of lovely. I step into a puddle of issues every time I visit but the article, who knew?, seems to improve each time. Personally I see a bunch of oddly phrased bits and the whole flow just doesn't feel right ... and there are plenty of minor quibbly wikifying problems. That stated I really don't have the energy to try to sort out the issues which might be major or not. I'm just seeing problems and I don't think I'm the best match there. I'm still trying to get all the way through lesbian which is written to a peachy-keen state so anything convoluted hurts brain bad. Anyhoo, the editors over there do seem to be making good efforts but maybe they are stuck in research-speak, or something. I'm not asking you to fix it but to offer advice on what might help. If you were to fix it the earth would again move but I have dozens of other articles that I'd rather inflict on you instead. Any advice appreciated. -- Banjeboi10:20, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
I read this article when it was nominated for FA a few months ago. It was confusing then. I read the lead and a couple paragraphs a few days ago because I still have it on watch and I noticed your comments on the talk page. I think it's still confusing. I'll offer what I can, but I'm not sure I can decipher much of it. --Moni3 (talk) 14:11, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Yes, I have a barnstar awaiting a curtain call for when it's finally comprehensible. Over a box of wine the talkpage really comes alive. APK found a genius youtube clip "Ultimate Farting Preacher", combine all three and ya got yerself some funny! I was searching for another gem but in light of the lesbians going down and MOBA, I thought of you when I saw ...
(I'm posting the text as this article is short and the site seems to require subscription for some content.) The Week summarizes content from many sources; the following is from the 3 April, 2009 issue:
Mr. America: How Muscular Millionaire Bernarr Macfadden Transformed the Nation Through Sex, Salad, and the Ultimate Starvation Diet
by Mark Adams
(Harper, 304 pages, $25.99)
You’ve probably never heard of the man most responsible for our national obsessions with diet and fitness, says author Mark Adams. But in 1951, when Missouri-born Bernarr Macfadden celebrated his 83rd birthday by parachuting into the Hudson River wearing red flannel underwear, he needed no introduction. Physical Culture magazine, which he’d founded in 1899, was still the cornerstone of an enormous publishing empire. His New York tabloid, though “widely considered the worst newspaper in U.S. history,” had launched the careers of Walter Winchell and Ed Sullivan. Macfadden himself had once been an advisor to Franklin Roosevelt, and in his 70s he had narrowly lost a U.S. Senate bid despite running on a platform “largely based on the evils of white bread.”
If history hadn’t produced this eccentric character, surely “we would have had to invent him,” said Louis Bayard in The Washington Post. An orphan at 8, a weakling in his teens, Macfadden beefed up through weight training and soon was loudly espousing a philosophy that deemed weakness “a crime.” Adams’ “hilarious” first book tracks its tireless subject as he eats “sand by the handful” to promote digestion, weds and sheds four wives, sidesteps prison after a closely watched indecency trial, and even files papers to establish his own religion. Yet Mr. America may be the rare contemporary biography “that runs too short.” A reader almost can’t help craving “a deeper exploration” of the political worldview that inspired Macfadden to ally himself at one point with Italy’s Benito Mussolini.
Legal battles eventually sapped Macfadden of his fortune, and he “died alone and penniless” in a New Jersey hotel, said Richard Horan in the St. Petersburg, Fla., Times. Adams’ lively account gets us inside that hotel, but it “fails to shed even a glimmer of light on its subject’s interior landscape.” Still, Adams “writes with an easy grace,” and he has “plainly gone to great lengths” in his research, said Geoffrey Norman in The Wall Street Journal. He deserves “great credit” for rescuing from obscurity “a man whose influence is still felt in this country more than a century after he muscled his way onto the national scene.”
Hi Moni, I kept meaning to compliment you on April 1st's WP:TFA ;-) I will be glad to make a map but it may take me several days before I start asking silly questions on what you want in it. Ruhrfisch><>°01:35, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
No worries. I'm many weeks away from the article being anywhere near GA or PR ready. Take your time. --Moni3 (talk) 01:37, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi, Skywriter. I'm sure you notice that I'm working on Rosewood massacre, trying to add content and improve the sourcing. I would like to be able to get it to GA or FA level. I'm still searching and waiting for more sources. I'll probably rewrite the lead. I just wanted you to know that I'm not trying to undo what you're doing to the article, but I'm keeping in mind how the sources characterize the incident. "Pogrom" is a term not used in Florida to refer to racial issues. I admit I'm having difficulty with the first sentence because some of the sources refer to it as a race riot. Others characterize it as something closer to a pogrom, but that is a foreign term, and I feel as if it doesn't fit. At any rate, I just wanted you to know the article will be in flux over the next few weeks. I don't want to dissuade you from participating, and I need copy edits when I think I will be closer to being finished, just to make sure I am sufficiently expressing the thoughts I'm trying to get out. --Moni3 (talk) 20:02, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Reply: Hi Moni3. Please see the article talk page for further discussion and extensive referencing. I ask that you respect what the people of Rosewood and their descendants endured. Rosewood is an example of ethnic cleansing ("Leave or Die") that occurred in many places across the United States. The use of language in the lede that dances around that fact (by weakening what transpired) is objectionable as Professor Strickland states succinctly in the current issue of Black Commentator I hope to reach amicable agreement on this issue.Skywriter (talk) 09:55, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
