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Citations, references and OR need a clean up

• The citations and references on this page are not formatted correctly. Can someone clean them up? I can also see quite a bit of original research that should be deleted. Skoppensboer 16:26, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Pentosan

http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/167/18/1922?etoc Systematic review finds pentosan moderately effective. JFW | T@lk 05:24, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Additional External Link

I think a good reference for those who want to read more about IC outside of Misplaced Pages is the Interstitial Cystitis Association (ICA). I would like to add this in as an External Link. Kat Malone (talk) 21:38, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

That link is available from the existing link. Unfortunately, WP does not allow links like that from within articles, see Misplaced Pages:WikiProject_Medicine/Reliable_sources. ► RATEL ◄ 04:19, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Misleading claims

"Research has determined that the quality of life of IC patients is equivalent to those with end stage renal failure."

This is true for a sizable percentage of people diagnosed with IC, but not all. Some patients experience lighter, less frequent problems, and different symptom triggers. Some IC sufferers can avoid symptoms altogether simply by changing their diets. I think it's important to elaborate on this and avoid generalizing the symptoms too much. 74.242.122.25 (talk) 22:43, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

This is a medical page on Misplaced Pages. We do not go by what people think is important, but rather by what research has stated. ► RATEL ◄ 02:07, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

This is what medical research has already concluded about IC. I'm just surprised it hasn't already been elaborated on. I will add the information and references myself. 74.242.122.25 (talk) 17:46, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Mild and even moderate IC are largely ignored in statements like the one above. I think this is because until very recently, only people who had extremely severe IC were diagnosed with the condition. It is unfortunate because I think it needlessly frightens many people with IC symptoms about what their lives may become. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.251.190.157 (talk) 20:55, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Pain Control

I am undoing the undo on my changes re: CAM and pain control. Just saying "there is evidence, go check PubMed" doesn't cut it. Provide references, or stop making these claims. Specifically, provide references to studies published in reputable, peer-reviewed journals that show that acupuncture, biofeedback, and massage have been shown to alleviate pain in people suffering from interstitial cystitis. All I've found are studies that do not show any effects like this one. --Transity 03:03, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

It's a shame you are not prepared to do a proper job for the encyclopedia. I'm putting it back with citations. Do not revert until I am finished, 24hrs. ► RATEL ◄ 03:27, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

It's a shame that you don't seem to understand how citations are supposed to work. One would think that bit of knowledge was critical to doing a "proper job for the encyclopedia," and one might question who is really failing to do a proper job here.

Please do add your references - that way they can be properly checked. Asking readers to do the legwork to support unsupported claims is clearly unacceptable, and I honestly don't know how you can say otherwise.

I'll gladly give you as much time as you need to find proper sources - if you need more than 24 hours, that's fine. Just let me know when you're done. Depending on what you provide, and how my week goes, it could take me some time to review them. All I ask is that you provide links so that I can actually read the studies (and not just summaries without the actual information).

I await your response. --Transity 03:54, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Hahaha! "Asking the readers to do the legwork" -- what do you think I am, other than a reader too? You have not the most basic understanding of how this community encyclopedia works. Funny. ► RATEL ◄ 03:56, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Oh and BTW, there is no requirement in Misplaced Pages that I link you to the full study texts. Links to published abstracts suffice. ► RATEL ◄ 04:00, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

What do I think you are other than a reader? I'll avoid the temptation to be impolite (clearly not an important Misplaced Pages guideline to you) and instead state the obvious: in this case, you are acting as an editor and not merely as a reader. In your capacity as an editor, you were defending statements that had no references and asking others to go do the legwork that you didn't want to do. I'm pretty sure if you check the policies that references need to be more than "go check on pubmed."

And yes, I know you're not required to link to full studies. It just tends to make references more useful for readers and editors alike. But of course you are free to stick to the minimum effort required for your contributions, as your reply makes clear.

I'll review your sources when I can, and I'll let you know what I find. Since only two of six are linked, you've made my job (and the job of the readers, I might add) more difficult, as I'm sure you realize. But by all means, keep laughing. Well done. --Transity 04:24, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

By editing out material as you have done, you too are an editor. Surprise, surprise! That's why you are doing a bad job, not checking pubmed and improving WP by adding the citations yourself. But looking at your history, I see you are a SPA with an agenda, so no wonder. ► RATEL ◄ 04:51, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

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