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Ayn Rand

72.199.110.160 is currently engaged in an edit war on the article in breech of Arbcom ruling here. The IP has been doing a lot of constructive work in improving citations, but has also been inserting material that other editors consider biased refusing to engage in any conversation despite repeated requests see here. More recently the editor has inserted a series of mini essays on objectivist philosophy. This has been discussed on the talk page here and agreement reached that the material is inappropriate. Despite this the IP has re-inserted the material here and here. The IP has refused (or rather ignored) all requests to discuss matters on the talk page of the article. Requests to do so on the IPs talk page have been completely ignored, including ones warning that failure to do so would result in the issue being raised here. This is a pattern that also occurred last December before the Arbcom ruling. The reversions are similar in number to those that earned variable length topic bans for other authors and are compounded in this case by a resolute refusal to engage in any discussion. Ideally the imposition of a topic ban or other penalty maybe the only way to get this editors attention. --Snowded (talk) 03:25, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Topic bans are social mechanisms, not software ones. If he doesn't engage in discussion odds are he won't recognize a topic ban. I would recommend a one to two day block to get his attention explaining that if he is going to continue contributing he needs to engage and not edit-war. TallNapoleon (talk) 03:44, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Given the users prior form I would be tempted to do both if it was my decision, however anything that gets the IP to engage would be appreciated. The advantage of a topic ban is that it enforces discussion as a social process and bans can then follow if the social process is ignored --Snowded (talk) 04:04, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

The editor's contributions to the Ayn Rand article and related articles have been overwhelmingly positive, and I do not think the cited behaviour can be characterised as edit-warring; they do not tend to make successive reverts, and make attempts to compromise with interlocutors. That said, their lack of willingness to participate in talkpage discussions is quite regrettable. Skomorokh 13:25, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Mainly positive yes Skomorokh, and for that reason I left reporting until they did start to make successive reverts against talk page consensus. Refusing to discuss changes on the talk page is just plain wrong and someone with some authority needs to tell them so.

I assume this section has been shaded in by mistake as no resolution is noted by the way --Snowded (talk) 14:38, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

The shading was a formatting error by me in Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Arbitration enforcement/Header. It is now fixed.  Sandstein  15:41, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

User is still not engaging on the talk page. Per ArbCom's decision we would greatly like some kind of administrative intervention here. TallNapoleon (talk) 06:42, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

I disagree. I reverted them today, referring to talkpage consensus, and they moved on without a challenge. Blocking would not serve any productive purpose, as all their lack of participation on the talkpage is doing is disenfranchising themselves from the decision-making process. If they start repeatedly reverting against talkpage consensus, we have a problem; til then, the article is improving as a result of both their edits and our discussions, and we ought to continue on this path. Skomorokh 21:55, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

There is an injunction on all editors to engage on the talk page Skomorokh, they have reverted on a 2RR already and in the past and the sheer number of edits is over wealming and while many are cited, some are "flavoured" as was discussed at one point on the talk page.. Many of them are good, some are dubious sources, some are opinions. Blocking may or may not be the right option, but someone with some authority needs to tell them to engage. Relying on reversals is to encourage edit warring. --Snowded (talk) 12:52, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

I fully agree with Skomorokh's summary of the situation. The injunction is to avoid disruption, and although some edits counter discussion slow things down, I'd say he/she has not been disruptive. Karbinski (talk) 18:13, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Dr. Dan

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Request concerning Dr. Dan

User requesting enforcement

_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 22:29, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

Dr. Dan (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Arbitration case whose sanctions are to be enforced

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Digwuren or Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Eastern_European_disputes

Sanction or remedy that has been violated

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Digwuren#Discretionary sanctions and Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Eastern_European_disputes#Editors_reminded

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy

Primary. Supporting: ,

Explanation how these edits violate the sanction or remedy at issue

Those comments are more then unhelpful and violating WP:AGF, they create a battleground atmosphere and encourage editors to flame and snipe. The remedy above specifically warns editors involved in EE topics to avoid creating battlegrounds, and Dr. Dan has been familiar to it, and was put on the warning list soon after the arbitration ().

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)

As specified in the cited remedy, although a topic ban from discussions of EE topics may be considered instead.

Additional comments

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

The requesting user is asked to notify the user against whom this request is directed of it, and then to replace this text with a diff of that notification. The request will normally not be processed otherwise. User_talk:Dr._Dan#Courtesy_notice

Discussion concerning Dr. Dan

I dunno if it's just lack of self-awareness, but there's nothing in these diffs, and certainly less than Piotrus' comment yesterday "remember that no amount of logic and evidence will change the opinion of a nationalist true believer. For some, Vilnius was forever 100% pure Lithuanian Vilnius, likely created that way when the universe begun.", directed towards his opponents on Talk:Battle of Vilnius (1655). He was engaged in similar forum-shopping against myself yesterday, Misplaced Pages:Wikiquette_alerts#Bad_faith_towards_me. Best thing to do is to direct Piotrus to make more dialogue with those who disagree with him rather than constantly trying to get them into trouble on frivolous pretexts. Dr Dan it should be said is a highly educated, and intelligent user with good historical knowledge, who constantly has to deal with tendentious multi-blocked nationalists trolling and reverting him; at worst he could maybe cut down on sarcasm sometimes, but he is not by any means half as problematic a user as, for instance, User:Radeksz whom Piotrus has gone to a lot of trouble to protect. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 22:48, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Um, Deacon care to in anyway substantiate the (libelous) claim that I am a "problematic" user? Is this just because I have disagreed with you and participated in discussion where I took a different view than you did? Is it because I've taken issue with tendentious, disruptive editing on the part of Dr. Dan (and a couple of others) who've tried to insert text based on extremist nationalist sources into Lithuania/Poland related articles? Or is it just my general existence and participation in the Wiki project which is "problematic" for you? I hate to be touchy about this but since this is part of the pattern, I'm gonna request an apology from you here.radek (talk) 00:09, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

And this isn't even addressing the second claim that somehow Piotrus "protects me" which is just ridiculous (particularly since if I'm not "problematic" I don't need protection). I'm guessing you're referring to that one instance where M.K. tried to get me unsuccessfully blocked for edit warring - in a discussion he personally was not involved at all, just you know, he made the report out of a sense of duty - which was a heated disagreement but not a violation of Wiki guidelines. In that instance Piotrus, in his capacity as an admin, issued a warning to myself and to the other editor involved, which put an end to the problem and which action was rightly considered as the correct one by other administrators (though I'm sure it left M.K. and maybe some others disappointed).radek (talk) 00:16, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

As for Dr. Dan's actions, all I know is that shortly after the discussion on Battle of Vilnius commenced he showed up on an article I just created, Białystok pogrom, and made several provocative edits, without apparently looking at the sources first, in what looked like an attempt to create another battlefield. These changes are listed by Piotrus above. In general I find discussion about controversies with Dr. Dan quite difficult since, in addition to the sarcasm which even Deacon noted (and the problem with sarcasm in a written medium is that aside from its implicit lack of AGF, its use can make it quite difficult to understand what another editor is saying particularly when the sarcasm is not employed with sufficient skill) in almost every instance he tries to change the subject to anything but what is actually being discussed. Examples of this can be found both on the talk page of Battle of Vilnius as well as other talk pages of Lithuania/Poland related articles (for example ).radek (talk) 00:40, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Please understand it's genuinely not my wish to give you a hard time here, Radeksz, as this wouldn't be the place for it anyway. It's my wish to make the context clear to other admins reviewing Piotrus' request, and there is no chance of disciplinary action coming down against you. The evidence posted by Piotrus involves you, so unfortunately you have to be discussed.

I don't recall any active disagreement with you, and I wouldn't count us voting on different sides of a recent poll notable disagreement. It's based on your editing pattern and your disciplinary record, which can be verified by viewing your user contributions, your block log, user talk history, and by searching the archives of WP:AN/3. In regard to this, and since you have requested, to Piotrus' protection, I will repost evidence composed by User:Sciurinæ from a recent Arbitration clarification request, which will illustrate the situation; readers can compare Piotrus' treatment of you with Piotrus' treatment of Dr Dan:

This is Radeksz's three 3RR violations and all of Piotrus' reactions to them:

• First 3RR violation: 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 (the violation wasn't reported). Piotrus couldn't contact him off-wiki to warn him and the case about his tag teaming was still on. Piotrus actually took the trouble of going to pl.wiki to ask Radeksz for his mail. Piotrus also took part in the edit warring at the article before Radeksz, which resulted in page protection later after the second violation.
• Second 3RR violation: Same page one day later. Piotrus then secretly warned him in Polish about getting blocked for 3RR and to have a look at his message in pl.wiki. This constitutes usage of another language to conceal improper conduct (see remedy). Piotrus also supported unblocking of Radeksz (), and ignored his formula (it goes: when A has 4 reverts and B has 3, only A should receive a consequence. The formula was only designed after Piotrus often had 3 reverts and Boodlesthecat 4 anyway).
• Third 3RR violation: Piotrus closes the issue himself to avoid a block.

--- Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 00:42, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Ok. There's one (semi) legit block there (it wasn't a 3RR vio but the admin decided to crack down on the edit wars that were going on - in a very one sided way I might add), due to a report by a real "problematic" user who got himself banned for a whole year due to his propensity for edit wars and incivility. The other two are just spurious attempts by Deacon to smear me - note I already discussed the 3rd one above, reported by M.K. (and the reason 1st one wasn't reported was because these were completely diff edits as was the 3rd). And of course that record is no worse than this (so does Deacon consider himself a "problematic" user as well? ) Now. Yeah, Piotrus asked me for my email when he noticed that there was another Polish editor editing Poland related pages. Yeah, he warned me not to violate the 3RR rule (in Polish probably in order to see if I actually spoke it). And yeah, as I already said above in one case he issued warnings. So what? This is the mentality that looks for conspiracies where none exist and which thinks that somehow if two different Polish editors have the nerve to edit the same Poland related article then they must be scheming. This has already been discussed to death in several different RfA's and other forums (quite honestly I can't find it atm), with the explicit finding that there is no cabal or conspiracy here, that these chargers are frivolous and that ordinary communication between two editors who happen to be of the same nationality should not be automatically viewed with suspicion, as Deacon is trying to do here. Further. It takes a certain amount of chutzpah to call me "problematic" - even though Dr. Dan's the one that has an official restriction on him for his previous actions, and Deacon has been officially "admonished" to avoid edit warring (not to mention the "it's not my intent to give you a hard time" - just call you "problematic"). Still want that apology Deacon.radek (talk) 01:24, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

In regard to that 3rd supposed 3RR violation, here is an uninvolved editor noting that it wasn't a 3RR violation , and here is another uninvolved editor stating that Piotrus' action in this case were appropriate and telling Deacon to quit wasting everyone's time with frivolous complaints (as he is doing here) , and yet another admonishment for Deacon not to waste people's time by an uninvolved editor , and again (after Deacon tried to drag it out) , but Deacon and MK insisted on going so they got another one , and then this one as a combination of another acknowledgment of the appropriateness of Piotrus' action and criticisms of Deacon's . Ok, enough. The point is that this particular matter was opened and closed and there's no point in bringing it up again and this is just Deacon's attempts to re-fight old battles.radek (talk) 01:49, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

(Wow, I felt a little bit of pride reading the thread and out of the blue seeing my summary for a request for clarification cited. But here comes the denial already. For what little it's worth, since it's off-topic, I understand that the third 3RR vio was complicated to understand. The second and first, by contrast, couldn't be any more obvious: in the second one you've restored the exact same parenthesis with OR four times in a row about, yet you still deny it was a 3RR vio. In the first 3RR vio, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, you've re-added exactly the same comment of yours about Pawlikowski into the article four times as well, yet you claim the diffs are completely different. I'm not sure why you don't want to accept it because there's no consequences possible for the vios after so much time has passed but for those who actually check the claims for correctness, this will only leave you looking as unreliable.) Sciurinæ (talk) 17:26, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Let's not forget that the evidence against Radeksz (completely irrelevant to Dr. Dan) was brought by Deacon to ArbCom and thrown out with a comment (from arbitrator Coren): "It is impossible, in this context, to see this request as little more than forum shopping; and an attempt to misuse the committee into a bludgeon in a vendetta.". EOT. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 05:53, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Procedural note: This enforcement request is concerned solely with the edits of Dr. Dan. Issues relating to any other user should be discussed in their proper place per WP:DR; such comments may be removed without notice from this thread.  Sandstein  06:45, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

I agree. I tried to refactor this discussion to separate discussion of Radeksz, but Deacon reverted me. See .--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 16:25, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

This "refactoring" also played down the link about your involvement as "Off-topic discussion concerning Radeksz", even though it shows that you did exactly the same as Dr. Dan. Granted, Deacon needn't and shouldn't have brought up Radeksz at all. But it is poor style to file away a relevant complaint about your role like that. Sciurinæ (talk) 17:32, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

(outdent) Why, given the guideline states The requesting user is asked to notify the user against whom this request is directed of it, and then to replace this text with a diff of that notification. The request will normally not be processed otherwise, was it processed? It was not normal? Novickas (talk) 01:19, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Piotrus left that part blank and refrained from informing him. I left Dr Dan a courtesy notice. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 01:29, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Just a little example of Dr Dan's usual practice of turning Misplaced Pages into a battleground and a laughing stock. Here . Tymek (talk) 05:36, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Tymek, please understand that an AE thread is not for open season on article edits you disagree with. It's to request and discuss the enforcement of arbitration case remedies. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 05:38, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Sad. Not encyclopædic, by any reasonable measure. Διγουρεν_{Εμπρος!} 17:33, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

A good example of WP:POINT disruption, although I will add that it is an exception to the rule: majority of controversial edits by Dr. Dan are not in article space, but on talk, where they display much bad faith, and start or contribute to various flames. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 18:50, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Deacon of Pndapetzim and I do not consider the edits by Dr. Dan that have so far been provided as liable to trigger an EE sanction for "repeatedly or seriously failing to adhere to the purpose of Misplaced Pages, any expected standards of behavior, or any normal editorial process." Speaking for myself only, I will in any case not contemplate any enforcement action as long as the request section contains no notification diff.  Sandstein  05:41, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Three editors involved in discussion with him have given examples of how he turns the discussions into battlegrounds. Here's another diff: quoting hate speech. His edits are not intended to create a helpful, friendly collaborative editing atmosphere, but to antagonize people and derail any useful discussion with off-topic remarks. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 16:25, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Piotrus, that comment from Dr. Dan Feb 2008 is addressing an argument you made earlier in that thread. Opinion may vary I suppose as to its relevance, but that "hate speech" is a quote from a former Prime Minister of Israel, offered as an argumentative parallel. This post, like the others you've linked, is well within normal talk page culture on wikipedia. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 16:35, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

It's another example of Dr. Dan trying to 1) change the topic from what is being discussed (Holocaust in Lithuania) to something else (Poles and anti-semitism) and 2) doing so in a purposefully provocative manner intended to antagonize other editors (yes, I realize intent is unobservable but a pattern of behavior, as documented here, constitutes indirect evidence for it)radek (talk) 17:23, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Are you sure you aren't confusing Dr. Dan with Deacon of Pndapetzim? Dr. Dan seems much quieter here than the latter. Διγουρεν_{Εμπρος!} 17:30, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Nope, I'm commenting on Deacon's comment on Dr. Dan's comment. So it's about Dr. Dan.radek (talk) 17:38, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

This is very disconcerting, and I don’t know if Digwuren Discretionary sanctions constitute a better reference point than, let’s say, the Eastern European disputes Remedies to deal with this chronic illness of good will. I think Dr. Dan’s behavior warrants some sort of preventive action, like in the case of Lokyz blocked by PhilKnight for 48 hours, because battlefield creation destroys the spirit of camaraderie among us. --Poeticbent talk 19:40, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Digwuren and Poeticbent, AE is not a battlefield. I suggest both of you keep your grudges away and that neither of you post anything more here unless you are adding evidence related to Piotrus' report. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 21:00, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

What do you mean by addressing me along with Digwuren? Where did it come from? Your grudge against Piotrus is legendary and requires no new evidence here, however, evidence against Dan presented by Piotrus is a lot stronger than that against Lokyz in the case mentioned above and could easily warrant a 48 hour block. --Poeticbent talk 21:51, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Alright, if this: (note - after this AE started) isn't an attempt to create a battleground and violate WP:Battle then I don't know what is and that policy clearly is meaningless. So Dr. Dan starts a section on talk page called "WP:Plagiarism" and asks "some...editors" to review their edits. When asked to be more specific he starts talking about something else. When the question is repeated he... eh, just see for yourself. The end result is that there's an accusation of plagiarism made, but no specifics, just a general aspersion cast on involved editors. And it continues...radek (talk) 23:53, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

These diffs are getting absurd. Can someone please close this frivolous battle-fest of tendentiousness? Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 00:02, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Deacon, how is objecting to a user making very serious and apparently spurious allegations of plagiarism "absurd" or tendentious? Do you think it is ok to make such accusations and then evade making your accusations specific when asked?radek (talk) 00:34, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

I want to restate my question for Deacon: what exactly is "absurd" or "tendentious" to objecting to frivolous, unsubstantiated and spurious charges of Plagiarism (for which, in real world, students get failed, people get fired, people get sued, reputations are ruined, etc. - all the good reason why Wiki takes copyvio and plagiarism very seriously)?radek (talk) 01:42, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

There was, um, close paraphrasing at the article - see the talk page . Novickas (talk) 16:28, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps because "Dr. Dan is opposing Piotrus, hence everything he does is justified"? I would like to stress to any reviewing admin that Deacon is far from neutral, random commentator here: he was the party that started last year's arbcom against me, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Eastern European disputes (formerly, RfA:Piotrus 2), and for the past year, if not more, he has appeared in (as far as I can recall) every single AE thread started by me and defended the user that I was complaining about. See also this recent Wikiquette alert. I would also like to note that so far, four editors have expressed the concern that Dr. Dan is creating battlegrounds: me, Radeksz, Poeticbent and Tymek. And Dr. Dan was not put on the Digwuren list of users under sanction by accident... --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 01:08, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

So you claim that Deacon pretends to be neutral towards you? Actually in the very first comment Deacon did note that you are also involved against him and pointed out the Wikiquette thread himself and didn't decide the result section despite the fact that he's quite involved in general AE handling. Unsurprisingly, you still found your "neutral, random commentator"s instead - in your known friends. But let's analyse the remaining claim in the above comment that hasn't been refuted yet: "for the past year, if not more, he has appeared in (as far as I can recall) every single AE thread started by me and defended the user that I was complaining about". Here are your AE threads for the past year. . In how many of them was he involved? In one - he only provided a relevant link to the RfAr (the other 'argument' you used).

Speaking about assumption of good faith:

• "His edits are not intended to create a helpful, friendly collaborative editing atmosphere, but to antagonize people and derail any useful discussion with off-topic remarks.".
• "remember that no amount of logic and evidence will change the opinion of a nationalist true believer. For some, Vilnius was forever 100% pure Lithuanian Vilnius, likely created that way when the universe begun."
• "Not quite. You agree with me, hence you are suspicous. If you were to disagree with me, you would be beyond doubt. Also, see this, rules #4, #8 and #9 should give you all the information you need :)" (link to "Poles are evil", insinuating a prejudice towards Poles).
• "Delete, in the name of Ministry of Truth = Keep, of course".
• "Perhaps because "Dr. Dan is opposing Piotrus, hence everything he does is justified"?".
• Or from another editor: "chronic illness of good will" () and linking to a post from himself saying "attempts to harass Polish editors - including me - based on anti-Polish sentiment and bad science). I already spoke about these malevolent campaigns during Eastern European disputes case" () Sciurinæ (talk) 18:05, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Sciurinæ, would you mind telling us what brought you to this AE thread? Last time I checked, we interacted at the arbcom case... And you agree above that Deacon shouldn't have discussed Radeksz, so how do you justify you trying to discuss me and others? I will just end by saying that what we see here is a common pattern: editor A violates our polices, editor B complains about editor A, and is targeted by editors claiming that editor A is violating the policies by daring to discuss editor B, who try to defend editor A by turning the discussion into a discussion of editor B. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 19:01, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, let me address two pieces of misinformation. One, I've left most of your many AE threads alone, including recently the Lokyz thread (but frankly as probably the most knowledgable admin for this area of regional conflict, other than yourself, I probably should turn up more!). Two, the four users are all your normal tag-team partners I'd expect to turn up here, and if you get more to turn up here that won't make your wonky evidence against Dr Dan more credible. It's no secret that I am one of many many users who have had a problem with much of your behaviour Piotrus, which as you said led to me launching an ArbCom case (your third I think) that led to three remedies against you. However, I'm not against you. I really just wish you'd devote more of your time focusing your efforts on your excellent article building sklls and forming good relationships with people other than those you think will help you win battles. But that's of little relevance here. The long old ad hominems you've been in the habit of launching against me and any one else whenever they try to ensure a fair hearing for one of your ideological "opponents" won't make your "evidence" against this one, Dr Dan, any stronger. Though AE admins can obviously sometimes be fooled, they aren't so naive as this. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 01:24, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Accusations of tag teaming (smearing not only my name but of several other users), misrepresentation of the ArbCom case (reviewing admins are welcome to look what remedies were made about me and what remedies were made about Deacon...), accusations of personal attacks... yes, I do hope that AE admins will carefully review the posts here. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 19:07, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

ArbCom didn't pass three remedies against you? I will happily admit btw that I got one minor admonition for performing 7 reverts in a 2 week period to a medieval history article you were edit-warring in with poorly-sourced nationalistic nonsense against consensus, but no-one's gonna care, as most of the AE admins have done much worse. But seriously, self-awareness! A user who spends much of his wiki-time IMing with notorious nationalist edit-warriors (like Alden Jones (), Tymek (), Poeticbent (), Molobo (, ), Greg park avenue (), Logologist/Nihil novi ()) and who is still collecting emails from others, shouldn't be casting aspersions against users in good repute like Sciurinae and myself about collusion. That the editors who've joined you here are your normal tag-teamers is verifiable from a casual browse of their histories, and isn't a personal attack; if you didn't want them mentioned you shouldn't have claimed above, on the AE board where you are pursuing a claim, that they were outside users. The "personal attack" claim is just ridiculous, and is clearly aimed at scaring me and others away from pointing out reality. This is like your earlier claim that I've turned up at every other AE claim you've made in the last year (1 of 6), you're hoping it will get believed without being investigated. You are aware, right, that all this is just noise anyway? Likely no-one will read much beyond your diffs about Dr Dan, and Sandstein has already said your diffs weren't actionable. But battle on if you must ... your tactics speak louder than your claims. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 19:46, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Result concerning Dr. Dan

No action. As far as I can tell, no uninvolved administrator (or uninvolved user, for that matter) has expressed the opinion that the reported edits warrant any sanctions, and the discussion is becoming entirely unproductive. As an aside, a WP:DIFF of the user's notification has still not been provided.  Sandstein  20:34, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Ksnow

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

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Request concerning Ksnow

User requesting enforcement

Dragons flight (talk) 19:19, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

Ksnow (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Arbitration case whose sanctions are to be enforced

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Date delinking

Sanction or remedy that has been violated

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Date_delinking#Temporary_injunction

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy

See Abuse Log

Explanation how these edits violate the sanction or remedy at issue

Ksnow has been engaged in a systematic program of editing that includes removing date links. On March 27 I mentioned the injunction to him. . Three days later he blanked the section without response. Since then he has removed date links from a further 150 pages. His edits are following a systematic (and alphabetical) pattern through French town stubs. He isn't only removing date links since he is also editing references and minor portions of other text, but it is clear he is following a systematic program of editing that covers a large number of pages and includes removing date links.

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)

I'll let someone else decide what is appropriate. I'd be happy to let this end without any sanction, if the user would stop the problematic edits rather than blanking the warning from their talk page and continuing to remove date links from hundreds of pages.

Additional comments

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Discussion concerning Ksnow

I agree that Ksnow's edits violate the injunction despite a clear warning. I am blocking him and advising him to make an unblock request stating clearly that he will not continue his programme of date delinking. I suggest this discussion be closed a day or so from now unless there are any further developments in this case.  Sandstein  21:43, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Ksnow has indicated a willingness to discontinue. I request an unblock. --Michael Snow (talk) 16:06, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

See the discussion at my and Ksnow's talk; essentially, I am ready to unblock as soon as Ksnow clearly states that he will discontinue delinking.  Sandstein  20:26, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

• Look, it's easy to get carried away with interpretation of this injunction, which has been inconsistent at best. The warning was non-specific and did not cite examples of his alleged "mass de-linking". It is clear that this is yet another gnoming editor who has unwittingly fallen foul of the injunction. The user has been making small edits at a rate of roughly one per minute, which are of a diverse nature but which include template changes and statistical updates. The user frequently makes successive edits to an article. It does not appear the editor has been actively delinking dates, as there are few examples of this. What's more, the editor has stated xhe does not use a bot, and has said will stop delinking (even though it is yet to be proven there has been any violation). A quick look of the user sub-pages is sufficient to learn that no scripts are being used - there is no monobook page. I see no legitimate reason to maintain the block on this user. Ohconfucius (talk) 02:20, 9 April 2009 (UTC) Copied from User talk:Ksnow

Result concerning Ksnow

Unblocked per discussion on the talkpage. De-linking of years (not dates which seemed to have caused a communication problem with the editor) was done as part of a wider systematic working the articles in question. Ksnow has said he will no longer delink and no script is used. In is not a good idea to let a very productive content editor stop dead in his tracks over a policy dispute he has expressed no active interest. Agathoclea (talk) 08:01, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

ScienceApologist

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Someone re-posted content SA had written somewhere else, and it got reverted. Nothing to do. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 00:21, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

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Request concerning ScienceApologist

User requesting enforcement

KP Botany (talk) 22:44, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

ScienceApologist (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Arbitration case whose sanctions are to be enforced

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Fringe science

Sanction or remedy that has been violated

]

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy

Explanation how these edits violate the sanction or remedy at issue

Heck if I know, posting here will probably result in my being banned and insulted and targeted by arbcom members-especially the one who already has a personal beef against me. It's a question. God knows where one can ask questions.

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)

clarification -- is this allowed? or not? the article is dreadful, the rewrite is comparatively elegant and appears, upon first glance, to be rather well-rearched and outlined

Additional comments

notification , plus will post link to this after this is posted. --KP Botany (talk) 22:44, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

The requesting user is asked to notify the user against whom this request is directed of it, and then to replace this text with a diff of that notification. The request will normally not be processed otherwise.

Discussion concerning ScienceApologist

• It's quite simple: ScienceApologist has not been proxy editing. He's been working on an FA drive for the optics article in user space at Wikisource, with the consent of administrators at that project (myself included), and someone who was impressed with his work took the initiative to attempt to port it to Misplaced Pages without asking either SA or myself (SA's mentor) until after the cut and paste was done. I reverted the change, per GFDL, shortly after confirming with SA that he had not requested the import. There is nothing to enforce here. Durova 22:55, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

  It does seem to be an attempt to edit by proxy, in addition, because another user is discussing the article on SA's talk page. --KP Botany (talk) 23:16, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

  You my trust my assurance, as his mentor, that ScienceApologist did not request that attempted port. The discussion at my own user talk explains it. Thank you for your diligence, but SA did not proxy. Durova 23:27, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

  Others can decide, and let editors at optics know, and that will clear the way for the discussion at Talk:optics to focus on how, and when, if at all, the content can be used. The appearance is that SA is discussing the article with Misplaced Pages editors. After all, that's how other editors found out about it, to export it. It's on his talk page. --KP Botany (talk) 23:33, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

  Upon what basis could they possibly decide? Must he violate his siteban and refute you here himself? The port was a license violation, done in good faith but unauthorized. We seek to improve the encyclopedia in compliance with policy, and without disruption. This request is becoming counterproductive. Durova 00:06, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

• ScienceApologist did not make the edits here, and even if he jumped up and down at Wikisource begging for some patsy to post a vicious antifringe article here, he wouldn't be violating his ban. He gets to do whatever he likes off-wiki, though I suppose death threats would cross the boundary. He's done nothing wrong, he's worked hard on what appears to be an excellent article. If there is some bad source there, some hidden anti-fringe message, well, he's earned it with the excellent work, and the bad part will be discovered and fixed. In fact, KP Botany, if you want to do something useful, go to the article on Wikisource and look for problems. And fix them. If there is a bomb hidden there, you would do us all a service by finding it. If you have a problem with edits here, take it up with the editor who made them. I considered porting the page here myself, but I asked about it on Wikisource talk and was asked not to do it, because it should be done right, and someone who knows how to do it properly will do it, I presume. I am no friend of SA's antifringe agenda, and some of his supporters are currently agitating for me to be banned from fringe topics, but SA has done good work here, and it should be supported and recognized and not subject to harassment. The place to discuss the draft is on Wikisource. Alternatively, the proposed edit can be discussed at the Talk:Optics. But leave out the charges of meat puppetry and focus on the content. If there is some disruptive edit, then deal with the allegedly disruptive editor who made it, not a banned editor who is respecting the ban. --Abd (talk) 00:27, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Result concerning ScienceApologist

This section is to be edited only by the administrator closing this request for arbitration enforcement. Use {{discussion top}} / {{discussion bottom}} to mark it as closed. Nothing to be done (see top). Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 00:27, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Bov

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Request concerning Bov

User requesting enforcement

Jehochman 13:03, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

Bov (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Arbitration case whose sanctions are to be enforced

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/September 11 conspiracy theories

Sanction or remedy that has been violated

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/September 11 conspiracy theories#Discretionary_sanctions

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy

and

Explanation how these edits violate the sanction or remedy at issue

Repeatedly violating WP:V and WP:UNDUE to add Truther propaganda to Misplaced Pages. Feigning ignorance of policy, after having edited here for more than three years, and been sanctioned previously for violations of WP:ARB9/11.

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)

Indefinite topic ban

Additional comments

Discussion concerning Bov

Firstly I request that, unlike some previous 911 ARBCOM cases, an uninvolved admin handle this case.
The first four diffs Jehochman provided are no more than the same two sentences with multiple references, consistently reverted by a group of editors with a particular POV, that refer to a peer reviewed paper on findings that are used by the major proponents of the controlled demolition theory to support their claims. The edit contains no OR, POV or comment and as such is entirely compliant with the article subject. At worst Bov has technically broken his revert restriction while those reverting the edit are possibly themselves guilty of a violation of the 911ARBCom. The last of the diffs is a talk page request for an explanation as to why the edit is being reverted. The only reply Bov is given to this request is "I have requested arbitration enforcement" by Jehochman who has a record of such POV behaviour as a first action in preference to either first warning an editor if concerned or answering such questions. This case needs to be viewed in light of the fact that the article name was recently changed from Controlled demolition hypothesis for the collapse of the World Trade Center to the more inclusive title World Trade Center controlled demolition conspiracy theories. Care should be taken to actually check the edits relationship to the article for the determination of good faith. Wayne (talk) 15:09, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

You risk a sanction yourself when making snide comments on this board. Who are you suggesting has acted inappropriately here? If nobody, zip it. Jehochman 16:43, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Comment Looking at Misplaced Pages:ARB9/11, Bov is already on an indefinite 1rr per week restriction for previous IP abuse; he's clearly violated this. Is there a reason his edits haven't been reported in relation to this restriction? Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 16:17, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

That too! Diffs above. Jehochman 16:44, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

I've blocked him for 48 hours. Having had a look at his contributions, I see no reason why this guy should be editing a popular encyclopedia in this area and plenty of reason why he shouldn't. Since he's blocked anyway I'll leave this just now to allow other admins the chance to give input on the new restriction. If nothing's added in the next wee while I'll impose a new restriction. A three month restriction has the benefit of keeping him around within CU range, but if no other admin suggests anything else, I'm gonna just make it indefinite. Cheers, Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 17:14, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

I see no reason to give him another (3 month) chance to be a disruptive element. He's been told, warned, sanctioned, and nothing has penetrated. It appears he is not motivated to work within Misplaced Pages's framework, but rather to disruptively promote his own views. I support Deacon's indef restriction. KillerChihuahua 10:36, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Result concerning Bov

This section is to be edited only by the administrator closing this request for arbitration enforcement. Use {{discussion top}} / {{discussion bottom}} to mark it as closed.

Indefinite article and talk topic ban placed. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 08:02, 10 April 2009 (UTC)