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Bob Clarke

Thanks for the correction on Bob Clarke. I was unaware of the distinction. I corrected the link because Misplaced Pages has his entry under "Bobby Clarke". (Smel4727 (talk) 18:21, 13 March 2009 (UTC))

You're welcome. I have known him personally since he was drafted in 1969 and have never heard Clarkie refer to his first name as anything other than Bob. (Centpacrr (talk) 18:40, 13 March 2009 (UTC))

Rev. (Domine) Everardus Wilhelmus Bogardus

While researching for the History of Albany, New York article I do recall coming across info on the Domine's widow while living in Beverwyck. Google books has Albany Chronicles by Cuyler Reynolds published in 1906. If you havent used the google books website before its pretty easy, just search for the title and once you bring up the book, it will have a "search in this book" search field on the right side, type in her name and itll list every single page with her name on it and her name will be highlighted in yellow in every instance it shows up.Camelbinky (talk) 00:06, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I am quite familiar with Google Books and have used it frequently. Also I have added some additional material about Anneke Jans and the "Dominie's Bouwerie" to my Bogardus Lineage Chart which indicates that she removed to Albany somewhat later than another reference indicated. (Centpacrr (talk) 04:51, 19 March 2009 (UTC))

Mike Emrick

Thanks for helping to clean up the Mike Emrick article. I know it needs some work (namely verifying some of the information), and I ran out of time earlier when I was rearranging some of the info, but now it's more accurate and easier to read. I appreciate your picking up where I left off. sme3 (talk) 03:18, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome. I will be doing a little more to it in the future as "Doc" and I have been very close friends for 32 years (since 1977) and have worked together many times over the past three decades. (Centpacrr (talk) 03:22, 20 March 2009 (UTC))

World Series

I have posted a complaint about your consensus-defying behavior at WP:ANI. Baseball Bugs carrots 14:16, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

April 2009

{{unblock|I must admit that I am quite surprised by this action of "blocking" my access to editing Misplaced Pages for any length of time without so much as a warning or seeking my side of the issue. (According to the time stamps User:Cirt blocked my account just five minutes after User:Baseball Bugs (age 13) posted his "complaint" about my supposed "disruptive editing.".) If Cirt had instead taken the time to review my record, he would have found that I have made over 4,300 constructive edits on Misplaced Pages since September, 2006, and contributed 111 image files, without ever once being accused of "disruptive editing" (or any other misconduct) except by User:BaseballBugs in the instant case. The vast majority of my contributions have been to add information and research (I am also a professional historian and the author of four published book) to articles about subjects which interest me (see my user page for a listing and my background) while my deletions or reversions have been limited almost exclusively to obvious vandalism made by unregistered (IP) users, changing material that I has previously contributed myself that I later decided to change or update, or to make reversions of the deletions of my own contributions which were made by others without providing any reason or justification for doing so. The last of these best describes the edits and reversions in the instant case.<br> <br> As has been noted, this all revolves around the contention and apparent belief by some that the winning of ]'s annual "World Series" tournament also automatically entitles its winners to adopt for themselves that they are also entitled to be considered as the exclusive and internationally recognized title of "World Champions of Baseball." Despite the views of BaseballBugs, this is ''by definition'' an impossibility. Official "world championships" in all organized sports are determined only by competing in international tournaments which are sanctioned, administered, and regulated but the several International Federations which govern those sports. In the case of baseball, that is the ] which was founded in 1938 and is headquartered in Lausanne, Switzerland. No other organization -- including a privately owned, for profit corporation with self limited membership such as "Major League Baseball" -- is recognized as having the authority to sanction "world" championships and determine their winners. Also such championships in team sports may be competed for in these international tournaments ''only'' by ''national teams'' organized and certified by each country's National Federation for that sport, This, of course, excludes privately owned and financed professional teams.<br> <br> As this distinction did not seem to be clearly made in the intro to the ] article I added it early on April 25, but it was almost immediately reverted by BaseballBugs with the ''only'' reason given being an unexplained claim of "editorializing." As no explanation was given, I restored my edit with a notation that it was "not editorializing" followed by "see talk" where I then gave a full explanation of my reasons for its restoration. This, however, was then almost immediately reverted for a ''second'' time by Baseball Bugs with the only new reason given being a rather cryptic: "It is what it is." I then wrote a new edit to which I added a reference to the 2009 "World Baseball Classic" international (16 countries) tournament recently completed under the sanction of the IBAF, however Baseball Bugs again reverted for a ''third'' time (which would seem to be a violation on his part of the "Three Reversion" rule). I explained again in talk why I felt that this distinction needed to be made to which he responded that ''"It is not your place, as a wikipedia editor, to decide that this is not a "world" championship and to use a wikipedia article to try to editorialize on the matter."'' and accused me of being "disruptive."<br><br> I then rewrote the contribution again to delete the discussion to the "World Baseball Classic" (about which he had also complained) and asked him to respond to my argument (see above) that it is impossible for a privately owned and operated baseball club winning a "World Series" (which is a tournament limited exclusively to the 30 member clubs of MLB) to then declare itself the "world champions of baseball" without competing for that title against sanctioned international competition. The only affirmative "argument" which he advanced in answer to that question was that ''"Major League Baseball itself calls the World Series champions "the world champions". Those are words straight from Bud Selig's mouth."'' I then explained to him in talk that as Mr. Selig is a paid representative and member of the management of MLB, his statement must be treated as being self serving as an encyclopedic source and thus not in keeping with Misplaced Pages policy on independent sourcing. As such Mr. Selig is not a disinterested or objective voice to support Baseball Bugs' contention this is a sanctioned world title. In an attempt to assuage his concerns, I then rewrote may entry as a footnote which Baseball Bugs reverted again (for the fourth time in less than 24 hours). When I restored the footnote and attempted to ''again'' explain the reasons supporting it, the entry was reverted (for a ''fifth'' time) and Baseball Bugs filed his "complaint" against me for alleged "disruptive editing" to which User:Cirt responded by unilaterally blocking me just five minutes later. (For this reason I was and have been unable to post my further comment in the World Series talk page on why I had restored it.)<br><br> Baseball Bugs claims that "consensus" had been reached that the "World Series" and the "world championship of baseball" are the same thing (the falsity of which is the only point that I intended to address in my edit). A review of the section of the World Series talk page discussing this issue, however, hardly shows that to be the case. While I am not currently able to edit the talk page to add further comments there, Baseball Bugs has since advanced a second affirmative reason as to why they should be considered as the same, to wit: ''"That's where the money is"'' (''"The players with the highest level of talent want to come to the USA because they can get the big bucks. HUGE bucks. This is a profession. It's about money."'') Of course the players in the NHL, NBA, and NFL are also the highest paid professional athletes in their sports as well, but none of these leagues have ever claimed that their playoff champions are also the "world champions" in their respective sports. How much players are (or are not) paid to participate professionally in a sport has nothing whatever to do with whether or not they win championships.<br> <br> One additional word of explanation. I rather suspect that part of Baseball Bugs' ''real'' reason for "complaining" about me as an "editorializer" might well be that I had objected to his own earlier overt edtorializing on Misplaced Pages by his repeated attempts to introduce his own personal religious POV that miraculous devine intervention should be used to explain the successful outcome of the ditching of US Airways Flight 1549 in the North River section of the Hudson River last January rather than crediting that to the plane's aircrew, their training, and experience as being responsible for saving the passengers' lives in the accident.<br> <br> While I do not claim to be an expert on baseball (professional ice hockey is my field), I will seek to get a more official detailed explanation of the real MLB position on this matter (and Baseball Bugs' expressed views on it) when I see my old high school classmate for four years (1960-64), Dave Montgomery, at out 45th Reunion Dinner next week at ]. As the longtime President of the Philadelphia Phillies, the current MLB "World Series" champions, I think he can speak authoritatively on this subject.<br><br> I would have much appreciated the courtesy of User:Cirt's both first reading the comments that I had already posted on the article's talk page and then contacting me before unilaterally blocking my access to editing without warning or explanation just five minutes after Baseball Bugs' made his "complaint" that I was being "disruptive." Doing so in this manner hardly seems like due process or investigating to me, especially in the light of my otherwise spotless record on Misplaced Pages, Baseball Bugs' own five reversions of my contributions in less than a day, and my extensive use of the talk page to state my reasons for my various edits whenever I made them. For this and the other reasons stated above, I therefore request that my account be immediately unblocked and that the blocking be expunged from the record of my account as inappropriately applied without investigation or due process in the first place.}}

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The block has already expired. Cirt (talk) 14:46, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

3RR

In the future please take care to observe WP:3RR. Cirt (talk) 14:47, 26 April 2009 (UTC)