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1. Oppose. Sorry, but I don't think Halibutt is ready for adminship. He is a fierce Polish nationalist who takes pleasure in gratitiously bullying Russian editors. His Russophobic sentiments are too well known to enlarge upon it there. Just two days ago he declared that "if he speaks Russian, drinks vodka and sings Katyusha - he's a Russian" (see Talk:Russophobia). I don't think it's a proper way of admin's behavior. No need for further comments. --Ghirlandajo 14:04, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

   What a way to take the quote out of context.  Grue  14:22, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

   Indeed, I'm kind of puzzled that my comment there was understood wrongly and that Ghirlandajo took it out of context and used it against me. Anyway, sad as it is, I explained the matter a bit more at the appropriate talk page, hope Ghirlandajo reads it. Halibutt

   Of course, I consider myself a new wikipedian and still don't understand many things here, but in my 15,000+ edits I don't think I ever resorted to using Russian for my comments on talk pages or playing on nationalistic stereotypes. Halibutt, on the other hand, does it on regular basis. Check the revert war he instigated on Ostashkov back in August, when I attempted to expand a stub created by him . --Ghirlandajo 15:36, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

   Indeed, I already forgot of that case. As seen in the edit history and talk page, I had a problem not with your expansion of the article, but on your deletion of a paragraph that was there. I tried to avoid the revert war by using the talk page, but unfortunately you didn't join me there... Halibutt 15:53, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

   Dear Halibutt, your memory fails you again. I moved your notice about alleged massacre to the article on Stolbnyi Island, where the camp was actually situated (see the article's history). But you decided that it should be present in the article on the nearby town of Ostashkov as well and started reverting, duplicating your notice here and there. --Ghirlandajo 16:16, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

   I admit I can't really do much to change your mind, can I. However, just for our future contacts: as to the Ostashkov camp - all is explained in the talk page of the article, take a look at it. As to my contributions - check my user page for more articles I contributed to. If you find something wrong with the article on Lvov professors - state it at the relevant talk page. Halibutt 17:52, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

2. Oppose. Unfortunately, Halibutt does have nationalistic tendencies at times, if ever so slightly. I regret to not be able to support this otherwise productive contributor.—Ëzhiki (erinaceus amurensis) 14:36, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
3. Absolutely not. Has no respect for consensus, even when it's overwhelmingly against him. —Cryptic (talk) 15:34, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
   To be clear, my opposition stems entirely from the dispute over Template:Support, as mentioned below; I haven't encountered him in the main namespace. While I freely admit that my own handling of the situation wasn't ideal, Halibutt's continual re-creation of the template in the face of an 80%+ decision to delete on TFD shows that it wouldn't have made any difference. —Cryptic (talk) 16:41, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

   I can't make you change your vote. However, please take note that I actually acted in good faith and I was really curious why so many people delete the page instead of replying to my comments at the talk page. Halibutt

   Considering the very first edit to the talk page, where you called the deletion an "abuse his or hers admin rights" , they probably thought it would be futile. I know I did. —Cryptic (talk) 18:30, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

   But they did not try, did they. Halibutt

   • Piotrus asked me to review my vote. I have. I am now strongly, unalterably, and permanently opposed. Strongly advise closing bureacrat to take note of this edit by the nominator on the administrator page of the Polish Misplaced Pages, look carefully at the contribution history of those supporting, and decide whether users whose sum total edits to en: have been to add pl: interwiki links and vote here truly deserve suffrage. Furthermore, nearly all of the nominators edits on en: since nominating Halibutt - about the last 75 or so - have been to spam user talk pages, soliciting support. I am thoroughly nauseated. —Cryptic (talk) 16:17, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

   Cryptic, I have no idea whatsoever why do you assume bad will of Piotrus. Contrary to what you state above, I hadn't noticed any case where he would spam user talk pages or where he would solicit support. Either I must have missed something, or you simply assume that asking to join the discussion is equal to asking for my support. It is not. What you write above is similar to one of the remarks by Ghirlandajo, who assumed that when I ask people to be bold and correct mistakes they see, I do it only to make them revert Ghirlandajo's edits. Halibutt 17:20, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

   Correct me if I am wrong, but most of the editors (me certainly included) don't regularly monitor the Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship page. The only way I and many others will find out about RFA votes involving users we are familiar with is by others letting us know about it on our talk pages. Hence, I do not understand why Cryptic objects to Piotrus notifying other editors about the vote. Balcer 17:44, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

   Yesterday I had a chance to remark to Piotrus that his POV-infested notices will end in the vote being falsificated. To be honest, I even stripped his notice of POV and put it on the talk of two or three Ukrainian editors, but this displeased Halibutt and I quit at once. --Ghirlandajo 16:32, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

   Ghirlandajo, please stop it. It did not displease me, rather made me smile for a while. However, what made me laugh now is your assumption that you know better what I felt. Thanks, that was refreshing :) Halibutt 17:20, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

   I see nothing wrong in advertising the vote. As Balcer pointed out, not many people watch this page and so I notified many users whom I thought would be interested, and I did not limit myself to 'friends' or 'Poles'. Besides, I have never asked people to vote 'support only', I have only told them that there is a vote, sometimes adding an additional note about certain comments that they may find interesting. I see nothing wrong with my note on the Polish admins page - our small Polish Wiki community should certainly benefit from seeing how things are properly done on international scale, and we may get some interesting information from Halibutt's activity on that wiki.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 19:00, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

   Oppose Vote discounted due to sockpuppetry. He's part of a group of Polish-nationalist POV pushers, of which the nominator Piotrus is himself a member. Note how Piotrus routinely unblocks his Polish comrade Molobo - it was already a mistake to make him an admin, and with Halibutt we would see the same thing. As Ghirlandajo has mentioned below, they also frequently talk Polish with each other here on the English wiki, even though they all speak and understand English well enough. They all seem to have some paranoia that everyone is out after the Poles (see Halibutt's "How to deal with Poles"). An example of POV editing: Here he says that "Poland regained her independence" in 1989, as if Communist Poland wasn't independent. He also frequently calls opponents he's edit-warring with "vandals" (such as here where he tried to force an entirely repetitive infobox into the article). JohnSmith214 15:55, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

   I'm sorry, but I don't really feel a member of some Polish conspiracy. Also, I am not the author of "How to deal with Poles" (which is a joke, BTW, and I find it quite funny) and I really believe that a country that is ruled by some other state (as Poland was ruled from Moscow mostly) is not independent. For me trying to preserve NPOV is not equal to not having my own oppinions at all. If that makes me unworthy of being an admin - too bad. As to the problem Gzornenplatz had with Template:Infobox biography and his spree to delete it from all articles it was used in - I can't really say why he did that, you should ask him. Note that I ended the dispute by expanding the article. Also, the dispute over the very template was ended by a failure of the TfD process (check the relevant talk page). Halibutt 17:48, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

   It is perfectly obvious why he deleted the template, he said so repeatedly, and I just said so myself: because it was merely repeating info from the beginning of the article. This habit of "playing dumb" that you exhibit here again is just one more reason to oppose. The point here is that you repeatedly described your opponent in a normal edit war as a vandal. Do you agree that a vandal is someone who either removes valid information or adds non-information? Do you agree that neither was done in that edit war? Is it not logical to assume that, once you call someone a vandal, you would also block that "vandal" if you had admin powers, and that you would thus block your opponents in normal edit wars? JohnSmith214 20:45, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

   I consider this sockpuppet entry a good support endorsment for Halibutt. Btw, shouldn't somebody finally ad the Polish Wikipedians conspiracy theory to the List of alleged conspiracy theories? :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 17:39, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

   Can we stop edit warring about removing this user's vote? Simply pointing out that he has no edits except to this RFA should be sufficient. —Cryptic (talk) 20:49, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

   It's not an issue of counting votes. When RfAs get long and contentious people normally start moving comments to the talk page - the discussion above seemed to me like a natural candidate for such moving. - Haukur Þorgeirsson 21:00, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

   Agreed, Haukurth - I've discounted the vote in order to keep a clear tally count tho. Shauri smile! 03:44, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

   About User:Molobo: he's member of small group of trolls and warriors that make good Polish contributors feeling embarassed. While I do not know history why he got blocked I bet it was for sound reason. I would recommend to investigate this thing deeper. Pavel Vozenilek 05:46, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

4. Oppose. The few times I've interacted with him, he's made the impression on me of being a stubborn nationalist, with a striking inability to recognize consensus. He was responsible a few months ago for bringing the Gdansk naming controversy to completely unrelated pages, such as Mainz, Aachen, Dresden, (see Talk pages) and even a large number of pages like Johannes Vermeer . This was in June, but when he stopped, he did so with the threat of starting all over again (), when the consensus was clearly against him. And then there's the Polish Wikipedian's Black Book, started by him, which was described by some (IMHO accurately) as a witch hunt. Eugene van der Pijll 15:58, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

   Yowza, I didn't realize the whole Black Book thing came from Halibutt. I thought it was User:Witkacy's project (User:Witkacy/Black Book). I voted to delete it when it came to a vote there, and still oppose this in principle. Since it caused me so much consternation at the time, I would like to ask Halbutt whether he still thinks this approach will be a good idea when he is an administrator. --Goodoldpolonius2 16:10, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

   I've looked at it some more, and to be fair, most of the problematic contributions to the black book came from Wiktacy; Halibutt's edits seem to indicate his intentions were good. I do still think a page like that is a bad idea, but I won't hold it against him too much. Eugene van der Pijll 16:24, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

   The Black Book was Witkacy's idea. Halibutt moved it to his mainspace deciding that it could eventually be used as a tool for education, as even Jimbo himself suggested on one of the related talk pages (I don't have the time to find the exact page ATM). And all elements that could have been deemed a 'personal attack' have been deleted from this page long time ago.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 17:39, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

   Indeed, the black book thingie was inspired by Witkacy at Misplaced Pages:Polish Wikipedians' notice board/Black Book. Nohat felt that it was offensive to him as it took notice of some of his remarks. He deleted the page repeatedly, and it seemed that he simply cannot stand Witkacy and the two will never reach any compromise. So, I joined the discussion, took the responsibility for starting the page (which was not actually true, but shhh, don't tell anyone) and tried to reach some compromise solution by mediating between him and Witkacy and trying to reach some conclusion (, , , ), after which Nohat left this comment at my talk page, moved the page to my namespace for further discussion and deleted the redirect. Since then long time has passed and I simply forgot about that page. Does anyone find this page offensive in any rate? If so, just let me know and I'll ask for its deletion, it's not needed nor used any more. And yes, initially I thought it was a good idea to avoid RfC and all that stuff. My stance was well-explained during the RfD process. Halibutt 18:16, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

   Thanks for the clarification -- as I said in my support vote, my experience with you is as a mediator, which can be difficult in sensitive topics, so it is good to know how this actually went down. --Goodoldpolonius2 18:30, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

   I joined the discussion, took the responsibility for starting the page (which was not actually true: You made the first edit of the page (). Now it may have well been Witkacy's idea, but I cannot check that, as most discussion on the Polish Wikipedian's notice board is in Polish. However, I do not really find your version of the page (User:Halibutt/Black Book) offensive. User:Witkacy/Black Book on the other hand... Eugene van der Pijll 22:39, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

   I changed my initial "Witkacy made" into "Witkacy inspired", as I don't remember who actually started the page. However, the sad page in my user space does not tell the story well since the page (back when it was still at Polish Wikipedians' Notice Board, was deleted several times and re-created from what people had as a copy. It turns out that the final version (fifth out of six, if memory serves me right) was re-created by yours truly from the basic scheme created by me. It was not me however to fill it. Anyway, I'm glad that people do not find that thing offensive. As I said, initially I thought it was a good idea to actually avoid conflicts. However, what happened to the idea is clearly visible and noone is planning to use it any more, so it's not that important any more. If any of the admins here wishes to delete it - go ahead, I don't mind. That's also the reason why I never thought of deleting it. I don't mind, which in this case means I don't care for that page. Halibutt 00:04, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

5. Oppose. This user has an enormous amount of edits spread across the wiki, but in going over the Support Template thing I unfortunately must oppose. Re-creating any page six times (and never, apparently, going to VFU) shows very poor judgement. If there's one thing I can't stand it's calling vandalism that which isn't. This seems to be what the user did with the deleting admins who were looking at a valid G4 under CSD. I must also say the Polish Black Book is (ahem) idiotic. Marskell 16:01, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

   I'm sorry, but you're wrong on this one. I did go to VfU once the people who deleted the template without any comment at the talk page whatsoever told me that the fact that the situation changed and that 3 months have passed is not enough to recreate it the easy way. Halibutt

   User did indeed go to VfU after the sixth re-creation. No vote change. He should have gone there after the first one. Marskell 17:48, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

   Sorry. I thought that the talk page is the right place to discuss things. Apparently I was wrong. Halibutt 18:02, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

   You're being grudging here is sort of confirming my oppose. As I say, re-creating a page six times is poor judgement. It just is, and I very much hesitate to give AfD closure and image deletion power to someone who would do that so recently and apparently unrepentently. Calling admins vandals and accusing of them of "malicious deletion" certainly doesn't help the case. Marskell 18:11, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

   Too bad we won't reach a compromise here. Indeed, I overreacted a bit, but please take note that I had my reasons too. And deleting a page without discussion or explanation seems malicious to me (which BTW should clear your doubts about giving me a broom and bucket :) ) Anyway, no need to continue the discussion here, I guess. Halibutt

   Oppose. Keeping attack pages in your userspace is not acceptable. Plus the reactions above seem to indicate he has a tendency of aggravating disputes. Radiant_>|< 16:33, 16 November 2005 (UTC) Vote stricken, see below. Radiant_>|< 23:08, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

6. Oppose per Cryptic and Radiant. Much too controversial to be trusted with adminship. Xoloz 16:40, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

   What's wrong with controversial edits ? Do you think that to be an admin one has to avoid controversial topics ? --Wojsyl 23:29, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

   In my honest opinion the controversial topics need the most admin attention as they are more likely become victims of revert wars and all that stuff. What's the point of having admins who avoid pages that need the most attention? Or perhaps it's about me personally being controversial? Halibutt 19:03, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

7. I agree with Xoloz. Maybe another time. Θrǎn e (t) (c) (e-mail) 21:54, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
8. Oppose, per Cryptic.--Sean|Black 22:06, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
9. Oppose, an edit summary for recreating a legitamately tfd'd template Template:Support "reinserted the template after User:ChrisO vandalized it." Calling it vandalism is just out of line, and it was less than a month ago. Y0u (Y0ur talk page) (Y0ur contributions) 22:45, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

   I explained that above and I will do it once again, as apparently there is need to repeat it over and over again. It was my mistake and I admit I overreacted. I thought that stating my view on the matter on the respective talk page is enough for the others to at least take a look at it before they delete. Instead, the page was deleted without any explanation given - several times in a row. I considered this deletions malicious, as noone even tried to present me with rationale. However, I should not have called it a vandalism since that term was much too strong - and I apologize for that. Perhaps I should use something like "reinserted the template after User:ChrisO deleted it without any explanation given, with complete disregard for the talk page and for my arguments listed there". Halibutt 12:38, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

   Oppose, I have edited with the User:Halibutt only a few articles. I found him to be a reasonable editor with some Polish POV. This is of course absolutely OK, as every human has his or her POV, and the administrators are humans. What is making me to oppose the request is his maintaining the User:Halibutt/Black Book. If a user abuses his or her priveleges as an editor by maintaining an attack page that harrases other users, then it is frightening to guess in which way he or she can abuse the administrators privileges. I think User:Halibutt should avoid harassing other users and comply with the Misplaced Pages rules on speedy delete and recreation of articles for at least a few months. Then I will support his nomination. abakharev 23:15, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

   As for harrasing and bullying other users, I may add another instance from User_talk:Knyaz: "Hi there, nice to see you here. User:Ghirlandajo is well-known already to all who contribute to articles on Central and Eastern Europe. Indeed, some of his contributions are great while others show a great deal of Great-Russian view of the world. Fortunately, all of his contributions are GFDL, just like mine or yours, so correcting the mistakes he makes is really easy. Just let me know should you have any problems with that. Regards, Halibutt 12:00, 25 October 2005 (UTC)" So one may understand why I don't like when they discuss myself in Polish. I don't know whether I will be able to comment on this issue again, as minutes after my vote Piotrus asked other admins to "moderate" me, whatever this is supposed to stand for. --Ghirlandajo 23:42, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

   Ghirla, IMO you demonstrate kind of paranoia here. Halibutt has Greater Poland view of the world. You have Great Russian view on the world. This comes from the person's background. A rare person is free from what he was taught of what he read. Misplaced Pages is great precisely because it helps to produce a truly cosmopolitan view of the world, although with strong American/pokemon/sexually-troubled bias. But the numbers of Russian and Chinese contributors is growing, so relax and don't panic: Polish will never conquer Moscow again. (What I am doing here is "moderating" you, so tremble and whimper!) mikka (t) 00:11, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

   I don't think that the paranoia is mine. Have you ever heard the Russians whimpering about Polish plans of capturing Moscow? I think it's precisely the other way. OK, I will not press the topic of their sado-masochistic concentration on alleged massacres, but do you think it is good for a would-be admin to advise the newcomers that someone's edits should be reversed? --Ghirlandajo 00:18, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

   Bravo, mikkalai - nicely said. Some biases will be seen always, mostly 'merican one. Refering to whimpering Russians =) - there is something to the point although it's very difficult to admit, I think. =] Additionally antipolonism due to the fear (Poland=West) and cultural differences (Poland=catholicism) and megalomania on both sides has a long tradition in Russia (even the great author Dostoyevsky despite (or maybe due to...) his Polish roots was obviously prejudiced). What is important, when Russians and Poles meet each other, especially on "neutral ground", they co-operate really easily. Heh, life. =) Aegis Maelstrom 02:19, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

   Another of Molobo's sockpuppets, with no contributions at all? --Ghirlandajo 09:46, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

   With a one year history? Give me a break. It's longer than yours or these of many en:admins'. Well, you still may call a CheckUser to check me, although your paranoia seems to be a disgrace for me. Well, maybe I'm not familiar with en: enough, just like I don't really get how you may make thousands of edits within a month (in other way than "making up the stats"). And for your information - I haven't voted yet although I consider it as Halibutt despite his "fighter" approach in really most cases fights for the truth with strange self-made experts in Slavic cultures or European history. Greets and wish you more careful remarks. =) Aegis Maelstrom 10:25, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

   As to what Alex Bakharev wrote: the only thing I can do about that page is to explain once more that it was not me to move that page there. In fact it was an admin's decision and he didn't even ask me about it before. As noone had any problems with that page after it was moved I simply forgot about it. If you find it offensive - just be bold and delete it. Or move it elsewhere. As to what Ghirlandajo wrote - indeed, this time my comment is complete and not taken out of context. And I would write it again even today as I still believe that what I wrote is ok. Knyaz asked me some questions about conduct of Ghirlandajo. I greeted the guy (a new wikipedian back then), explained that he should be bold, explained that not all what Ghirlandajo does on wikipedia is as disputable as Knyaz put it and offered my help if he needed it. I can't think of any situation where such comment would be offensive to anyone. Note that I actually defended your positive contributions after reading what Knyaz wrote on my talk page. In fact, most admins I know tend to greet people in a similar way. If it proves anything, then perhaps what I wrote before is right. I really love to be helpful. It's a great feeling to know that you helped someone. The only difference between my comment and template greetings used by others is that they do not have to reply to questions asked before the greeting is posted. As to the massacre case - I hadn't noticed your comments at Talk:Massacre of Lwów professors. Don't you think that it's the appropriate page to settle the problems you have with that article? As to what Mikka wrote - perhaps Poles will never conquer Moscow again, but Polish tapestry glue already has. I wrote an article recently and it turned out that they do not produce tapestry glue in Russia any more as the Polish-made is cheaper :) Beware! Halibutt 00:23, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

   Don't try to tell me that you didn't understand about Knyaz being a sockpuppet of user:AndriyK, a notorious POV-pusher, who has been terrorizing East Slavic articles for about a month now. As he gets blocked daily for his revert warring, this guy uses a variety of sockpuppets. On that day, he repeatedly assaulted the article on knyaz but was reverted by me. That's why your encouraging of his disruptive policies and your ready offer of help seemed to me particularly offensive. I'm going to bed now and will add no further comments, so good luck with your RfA. --Ghirlandajo 00:50, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

   No, Ghirlandajo. I have no particular interest in hunting sock puppets or any other creatures. Neither his talk page nor his user page suggest that and I didn't have time nor interest in searching whether the guy I left a message to is good or bad, nice or not. I simply replied to his question and moved along to do something more. On that day, apart from contacting Knyaz, I also contacted Enlochau to find out why the Template:Support is being deleted, I cleaned up a test by an anon, expanded the article on Vorkuta, contacted Goodoldpolonius about the map I was making back then (still work in progress, sadly...) and started de-stubbizing an article on HMS Dragon (D46) (off-line, posted the following day; BTW, it still needs copy-edit. Anyone?). I also wrote one text for the magazine I work for, met my best friend, had a coffee with a girl I haven't seen in a while, attended a nice lecture on folk culture of peoples of Russia and did lots of things. All of them were more important than checking whether someone considers User:Knyaz a sock puppet or not. Sorry. Halibutt 01:23, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

   No, I usually do not interfere with the userspaces of other users by any other way as by leaving short informative messages on their talkpages. It is you who is responsible for cleanup of your own namespace. abakharev 02:41, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

   Oppose, as per Cryptic, Radiant et al. An admin must be neutral, he isn't. --Heptor 02:07, 17 November 2005 (UTC) Glad to see that he removed his Black Page. Hope this means that he is beginning to behave like an admin. --Heptor 13:55, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

   Oppose - he just has too strong bias. Renata3 03:02, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

   I would like to quote from Misplaced Pages:Neutral point of view: (this policy) doesn't assume that writing an article from a single, unbiased, objective point of view is possible. (...) A great merit of Misplaced Pages is that Wikipedians work together to make articles unbiased.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 23:58, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

   I withdraw my vote completely. I won't change it to support or neutral. I am withdrawing because I was completely impressed by the way he handles all this critisims and oppose votes. I would say Piotrus looks a little worse than Halibutt in this case :) Renata3 20:39, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

10. Oppose Good editor, but better safe than sorry. Borisblue 04:48, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

    You wrote Good editor, but better safe than sorry. That got me thinking. I don't know most of our admins (or admin candiates). Should I vote against them until I get to know them, and so object to everybody I don't fully trust? Do you really think that Halibutt would abuse the admin rights if he was given them? If you don't know enough about him, wouldn't 'neutral' be the better choice? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 05:53, 17 November 2005 (UTC) (copied from talk page)

    I'd vote neutral if there was an easier way to deadmin abusive sysops. But de-admnning somebody is tedious business (Stevertigo case for instance) so I feel we have to be very careful in promoting people with prior issues. I realise that, regrettably that I would be voting against a lot of qualified people, but given the damage a rogue admin can do to WP I have to adopt this "better safe than sorry" attitude. The black book seals the oppose for me. I've no idea why people create pages like that. I was in another editor's "black book" once", and it almost feels like a personal attack. Borisblue 06:26, 17 November 2005 (UTC) (copied from talk page)

    Halibutt has explainted at the RfA page that the Black Book was moved to his namespace by community consensus (and it was not created by him, instead, he edited it to more NPOV version). IIRC, even Jimbo commented that it may become an educational page - after some editing, which never happened, as the page was forgotten by all concerned. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 06:31, 17 November 2005 (UTC)(copied from talk page)

    Strange. Eventhough the page was not made by me, not used by me, voted by the community to stay and moved to my user space by the admin to list it for deletion, and, above all, was started as a way to avoid conflicts rather than promote them, it is still used as an evidence (?) of my (?) bad conduct. While I understand your better safe than sorry attitude and do not intend to even try to make you change your mind, I still find such an explanation strange. Halibutt 07:14, 17 November 2005 (UTC)(copied from talk page)

    I believe that Users are responsible for whatever is on their userpages. And besides, you argued for "keep" on the black book's VfD anyway, and is that not an endorsement? I don't know you at all, and if this RfA was put up before the Stevertigo case I would have given you the benefit of the doubt, but then the fiasco surrounding Stevertigo showed me how it was almost impossible to take away adminship, no matter how blatant the abuse. Please don't be offended by how I voted, you are certainly a good editor but I don't know you enough to be sure the "black book" stuff was uncaractheristic. Borisblue 07:24, 17 November 2005 (UTC)(copied from talk page)

    I wonder if this could change your mind?--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 19:27, 17 November 2005 (UTC)(copied from talk page)

    I don't see how the diff is relevant. I know that if someone preserved an attack page against me, the fact that Jimbo commented on its talk page won't make me feel less offended. Borisblue 19:40, 17 November 2005 (UTC)(copied from talk page)

    Have you read it and still think it is an 'attack page'? It was never intended as one or used as one. Community consensus was to move it, not delete. Should the fact that this forgotten and never-used page be preserved in a user namespace be a sufficient reason for the assumption that he will abuse his admin rights and (...do what?)? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 19:47, 17 November 2005 (UTC)(copied from talk page)

    Well then, if it's never used, why is it so important to Halibutt that he still insists on maintaining it despite the damage it is doing on his RfA? Just because Jimbo scribbled a comment on its talk page? And I do feel that leaving this page is akin to a personal attack. Are you saying you won't feel hurt or offended being in Nohat's position? As a close friend of Halibutt's please persuade him to delete the page- I don't care if it technically isn't illegal, it's uncivil, and unbecoming of anyone even considering to be an admin. And please don't leave me any more messages regarding the vote- I can monitor the RfA page if I need more information about the issue. Borisblue 20:41, 17 November 2005 (UTC)(copied from talk page)

    I recently noticed your comment at Piotrus' page and would like to clarify a tad. The page was kept where it was not because I found it important, but as a matter of fact because I found it not important at all. And certainly not important enough as to look at it any more or as to waste time on asking to delete it. Note that there are lots of page in my user space that weren't used for ages, many of them are not needed any more. For instance, there is still User:Halibutt/Curzon line, which I last used in September of 2004, the page on User:Halibutt/Tabelka used in May of that year or User:Halibutt/Battle of Warsaw (1920) (November of 2004). I never really thought of deleting them as I never heard wiki needs more space and considered them to thrown out. Halibutt 01:35, 19 November 2005 (UTC)(copied from talk page)

    I'm not concerned that your black book takes up space, did you even consider for a moment how NoHat felt having his name on such a page? Why did you wish to offend and provoke him in that manner? I was on someone's "black book" once, and I know how it feels. I'm sorry, I cannot vote support for you unless you show that you become more considerate to other users in your editing the next few months. And please don't leave any more messages regarding your RfA- I will not change my vote this time. I will reconsider your case if you decide to reapply after a few months. Borisblue 03:57, 19 November 2005 (UTC)(copied from talk page)

    (Copied from Borisblue's talk page at his request; I did not want to bring it here) I thought I already explained that, but I will do it once again. I know you asked me not to post any more comments at your talk page, but I felt deeply touched by your comment on mine and your failure to understand or at least to acknowledge the real history of that page and Witkacy's conflict with Nohat, of which I'm apparently a victim now.

    It was not me to place Nohat at that page, and it was Nohat himself to move it to my personal namespace

    I did think for a while on how Nohat felt about being there, and that's precisely why I tried my mediation between him and Witkacy (, , , )

    In the latter comment I even explicitly said that I believed he should not have been listed there and that the project page was used by one of the users for his own aims rather than community's good by listing him there. I wrote that because I in fact did think for a while how did he feel about being listed there for such a non-vague thing.

    Because of my involvement, Nohat left this comment, in which he expressed his thanks to me for defending his cause and that he understood the intentions behind that page's creation

    So, basically you're holding against me what Nohat himself found as my virtue. That's why I felt your comments both on my talk page and RfA are simply unfair. And that's exactly why I decided to post this comment here. While I will not ask you to reconsider your vote, I certainly would like to hear at least some sort of explanation. You're free to oppose my nomination for any reason, but please, pretty please make this reason at least real.

    BTW, just like you, I've also been on several people's black books, be it real or imagined. That's why I thought that project was supposed to become a discussion page rather than a list of personae non gratae or anything. The fact that it evolved into something nasty was neither my intention nor an effect of my actions (as can be seen for instance in my RfD comment). Halibutt 04:32, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

    My main concerns are that you voted 'keep' on the original black book's VfD, and that you insisted on keeping the page on your userpage for so long even after it was costing you votes on this RfA- and in fact you are still arguing that it should not be deleted- I see this as an endorsement of your "black book". I will of course listen to Nohat's version of events, should he decide to reply. Borisblue 05:25, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

    Indeed, I voted on keep and I don't deny it. As I explained above and in the VfD process, I believed (and still believe, to some extent), that starting a RfC or ArbCom processes every time anyone is offended basing on his nationality or background would not help anyone. It would not help the one offended as the one held responsible for the offence would either try to defend him/herself instead of simply saying sorry, let's forget about it, ok? (that's how human psychology often works) or the problem would simply escalate into a full-scale conflict, with dozens of Wikipedians attracted to it. Dispute resolution process should IMO be reserved for resolving serious disputes and not disagreements over this or that word, unrelated to article content. In fact, I find talking to people a much better solution, especially that such conflicts can be resolved by two people only. We simply thought (there was some chat about that page before we created it) that perhaps if we raised our concerns at certain place, external to both talk pages and users' pages, and tried to resolve them there, without the painful and time-consuming RfC, it would be much easier to get certain things straight. And that was the page I voted for. However, what has become of it is a completely different thing. As I noted on Nohat's talk page, I did not support him being listed there nor did I support that page being used for personal vendettas, as was the case of Witkacy using it in relation with his disagreement over the Talk:Kiev issue (whoever was right or wrong there, it should be resolved at Talk:Kiev). After the voting decided that there is no support for such a page as a community page and Nohat decided to move it to my namespace, it lost any sense as using it as part of a personal talk page would not be any different from using the talk page itself. That is why it was discontinued and forgotten.

    After this RfA was started and people reminded me of that long-disused page, I thought it would be better to leave it where it was for all to see. After all, I thought, it's in my personal webspace and people would count only my personal contribution to it (of which I'm not ashamed, I must say, and I don't see why should I be). However, various people (you included) started to hold that page against me as if I was the guy to offend anyone there or as if my intention was to create conflicts and not to resolve them. Still, I thought it would be better to leave it as an evidence that I did nothing wrong. However, after several people notified me on my talk page that the very existance of that page is a problem, I got fed up and asked for its deletion. As noted before, I did not insist on keeping it for so long, I simply lost any interest in it and did not insist on deleting it, moving it, blanking it, refreshing it, cleaning it up or on any other action. I simply left it where Nohat placed it and considered the case closed. Halibutt 06:36, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

    I'd just like to point out that Nohat is supporting Halibutt's nomination.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 16:47, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

11. Oppose as per Ghirlandajo et al. Fisenko 05:26, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

    Strong Oppose. Nationalist POV-pushers are a disgrace and a threat to this project. The nominator has removed blocks in order to unleash one of the greatest liabilities to Misplaced Pages - Molobo, a troll who has alienated many great contributors from Misplaced Pages. I don't care in the least for Polish nationalist agendas, but I do care for the future of this project. The motivation behind this nomination is very likely the construction of a network of admins pushing a nationalist POV, with the power of unblocking each other and Molobo.--Wiglaf 08:50, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

    Since Shauri has expressed her trust in this candidate I retract my oppose vote, and vote support.--Wiglaf 15:08, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

    Wiglaf, although you are the least neutral admin known to me and I would certainly oppose your own nomination to admisnhip, your concerns pertaining to Molobo's unblocking are legitimate and should be addressed by Piotrus et al. To quote Thorsten1 from the immortal Black Book, "Molobo, your opinions are so cliched and your arguments so utterly simple-minded that I wouldn't be at all surprised if one of these days you turned out to be some clever Polonophobe's sock-puppert, created for the sole purpose of demonstrating the sheer backwoodsness of Polish editors". I have nothing to add. Please inscribe me on the Black Book. --Ghirlandajo 09:08, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

    Wiglaf, I have already explained my actions related to Molobo's unblocking. I'll briefly summarize it for our readers, since you seem to consider this as reason enough to object this nomination and suspect me of being a part of some conspiracy: I have twice removed blocks on Molobo put on by you - the first time I still feel I was perfectly justified in this (as you were removing referenced sections and blocking those who opposed to it on the charge of 'disruption of Misplaced Pages'), the second time I was not and I have already apologized for this. I know now that all such cases should be reported to WP:AN/I - as I have done almost no blocks or unblocks in my admin career, I was a bit rusty on the procedure. However, you seem to be rusty on this as well, as in both cases you blocked a user without leaving him any note, reporting it anywhere and being 'at odds' over various content edits with him. Plus, you have still not replied at WP:AN/I where questions have been posed to you regarding this matter. I think that in dealing with Molobo we have both erred equaly and I have already apologised to you for my mistake in the recent incident. Could you now elaborate more on your novel concept of 'the construction of a network of admins pushing a nationalist POV with the power of unblocking each other and Molobo'? Or maybe we should call-it for short a 'Polish Admins for Molobo' (PAfM)? Seriously, if you suspect me of such motives, you may want to consider moving to de-oping me before I carry out my sinister plan...--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 14:44, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

    This vote must be discounted as it is based solely on the nominator, rather than the admin candidate. Wiglaf, Please vote based on whether you think the candidate can be trusted with admin powers. — Matt Crypto 15:20, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

    While I respectfully disagree with my friend Wiglaf and support the candidate, I think he has EVERY RIGHT to express his reasons for opposing. I also understand how he can view it this way. Taking up for Molobo, together with the infamous "Black book" have turned into a dark cloud over an otherwise fine candidate. And since we do not have any concensus yet on what should be done about Molobo, May I recommend, as a sign of GOOD FAITH, perhaps deleting the book? Even if, for some, that may not be enough this time. Maybe if will help "clear the air" so Halibutt won't smell so "fishy" to some if and when he is renominated:>--R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) 10:54, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

    I agree with RDH (I've got to stop doing that ;-) - I voted to support Halibutt's nom' unaware of the "Black Book" issue; however, this "black book" is a very tiny part of his 11,000+ 16,000+ edits, the vast majority of which have been of high-standard quality. Yes, he does appear to be very strong-minded and passionate about the subjects he edits on, but he also seems to be a very reasonable, considerate individual, and I hope that those qualities (and others) would ensure that there would no misuse of admin privileges. SoLando (Talk) 11:32, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

    I disagree. People can support or oppose for any damn reason they choose. It is good style to give your reasons, but if you start discounting votes based on that, people will just stop doing that, voting "oppose per above" or something. If nominators are supposed to endorse candidates, it is only natural that in some cases, they will also disendorse them in the eyes of some. dab (ᛏ) 10:13, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

    As much as I don't agree with the reasoning for Wilgaf vote, I think that unless there is a clear rule invalidating a vote based on a a voter attitude towards a nominator persona, his vote should be counted. After all, we accept votes without requiring the voter to state reasons, and Wilgaf reasoning is not completly illogical (I can imagine worse - 'voices told me' etc. :) ). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 14:51, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

    The stricking by Matt Crypto has been removed per reasons clearly stated by all users above. It is not up to anyone but Wiglaf himself to decide whether his legitimate vote should be discounted out or not, and so far, he has not expressed intention of changing it. Shauri smile! 02:31, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

12. Oppose. I know Halibutt only from the article history of the Jews in Poland that I reviewed as it was FAC. It seemed to me as I read it that it is was a non NPOV article biased in the sense that it embellished (at least within the lead section) the relationship between the Poles and the Jews. Here is a quote from the history of this article during the FAC discussion.

    (cur) (last) 22:51, 10 November 2005 Jayjg (why absurd? how would you characterize bans on kosher meat?)

    (cur) (last) 16:58, 10 November 2005 Halibutt (rv (government-inspired anti-Semitism in pre-WWII Poland? Seems absurd...)

    Halibutt had reveted one of the editors' change making the lead more NPOV according to my remarks. This dispute is relative to the sentence "Still, as Poland regained independence in the 20th century, immediately prior to World War II it had a vibrant Jewish community of over three million, one of the largest in the world, though anti-Semitism, both from the government and the general population, was a growing problem." and in particular to the italicized remark. As the section of the talk page talk:History_of_the_Jews_in_Poland#Rising anti-Semitism - kosher slaughter shows, that was not Halibutt's first attempt to push this POV. I know that each editor and admin in particular has the right to have a POV. But this kind of nationalist POV is in my opinion clearly not acceptable. Vb 09:52, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

    I admit having completely forgotten about that page lately, too much happened in my life to be able to watch all the pages I wanted to. I will explain that revert (as well as a broader explanation on the phenomena of interpretation of sanitary law as an anti-Semitic measure) as soon as I have time. In short, the law was passed as the first sanitary law in Polish history. It included such passages as the obligation to build toilets in every farm (instead of using the barn - I'm serious here; BTW that's why the Polish version of john or vespasium is called sławojka, after Prime Minister Sławoj-Składkowski), the obligation to wash hands before preparing a dinner in a restaurant and so on. It also included some paragraph which were interpreted by some Jewish parties (not all of them, the Bund supported the law, if memory serves me right) which claimed that the law also prohibited ritual butchers from preparing kosher meet, as there was something about bleeding the animals. A wave of protests struck the country and the Sejm finally passed the law, but without the disputed paragraph. So, if it was the only case of government-led attempt at creating an anti-Semitic law, then it failed. That's why I believe that your statements that both general population and the government were anti-Semitic are simply factually inaccurate. Also, I reverted only once as I thought it is obvious what I meant. After that my private life problems started and I didn't have much time to contribute to it any more. I will do so as soon as I have time. Halibutt 12:38, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

    As one of the major contributors to the article in question, and as one of the few non-Poles who deeply engaged in the voluminous dicussion around that page, I have to say that I do not agree with Vb about Halibutt having a "nationalist POV" on this issue. If you look at the discussion page, you will find some editors I tangled with who would certainly qualify as nationalist, but Hailbutt always had useful information and discussion to add, as is clearly demonstrated in the Talk page. To judge him by a single (well-motivated and well-supported) edit that was not even part of a revert war seems very harsh. Again, I have not encountered the strong POV mentioned by other object votes, since I don't widely participate on Polish/Russian/etc topics, but, even if it exists, the History of the Jews in Poland is not the place to find it. It was my experience working with Halibutt on this page that made me support his nomination so strongly. Vb, if this is your only objection, I would urge you to change your vote to "neutral" or "support," since I really think you are misjudging Halibutt. --Goodoldpolonius2 15:13, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

    Having reviewed history of the Jews in Poland for FA, I'd like to support Goodoldpolonius2 above and ask you to reconsider your vote, unless you have other objections that you have not mentioned here. Thanks. --Wojsyl 14:30, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

    I understand your concerns about my vote because I really don't know Halibutt that well but if you think I am not enough experienced wikipedian or that I don't know enough Halibutt, why did Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ask me to vote? However I have had the opportunity to read User:Halibutt/Black Book before it was deleted and this has confirmed my opinion. So that I don't intend to change it. About the controversy about the alleged governemental support to anti-Semitism: In the section History of the Jews in Poland#Rising Anti-Semitism, you can read "...Polish nationalism, supported by the Sanacja government...", other things like limited access to universities and so on. I still therefore believe Halibutt's remark "rv (government-inspired anti-Semitism in pre-WWII Poland? Seems absurd" is a proof of bad faith. Vb 09:14, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

    Seems absurd remark is a short form of seems absurd to me, which is quite a different thing. Also, there was no bad faith involved, rather knowledge of the subject. Apart from the sanitary law (which, as I will explain thoroughly and already explained shortly) can be treated as aimed against Jews only if you take just a tiny part of it out of context and forget to mention that that tiny part was never passed), the numerus clausus thing you're referring to is also a bad example or proof. In reality, the numerus clausus was introduced in only two universities (Wilno and Poznań, AFAIR) for a year and it was an independent decision of the universities, not of the government. After slightly more than a year it was withdrawn, if memory serves me right. Anyway, the senates of some of the universities were not the Polish government, hence I still do not find any proofs of a government-inspired anti-Semitism. So, perhaps I should've written rv (government-inspired anti-Semitism in pre-WWII Poland? Seems unsupported by any facts and biased instead of my rv (government-inspired anti-Semitism in pre-WWII Poland? Seems absurd. I'm sorry if you felt offended by the word absurd. Finally, as to the Polish nationalism, supported by the Sanacja government quote - please take note that nationalism and anti-Semitism are two different phenomena and, while often interlinked, these are not equal. You would certainly not call a Jewish nationalist an anti-Semite, would you. Halibutt 00:04, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

    I havent felt offended by this wording. The modification you reverted was not mine either but one I suggested. However if you believe this wording does not correspond to the historical facts why didnt you begin an edit war with Jayjg. Are you waiting the formal nomination of the article as a featured article to do that. Vb

    Why did not I begin an edit war? Perhaps I thought that it's bad to start edit wars? Or perhaps this comment by the person whom I thought was the author of that edit (didn't check it) made me think that my revert was a decent move? I can't really remember. But still, I never thought that not starting a revert war might be an argument against me... Halibutt 19:03, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

    I finally had some time and explained why the whole anti-kosher regulations argument is completely false and absurd. Please read my explanation at Talk:History of the Jews in Poland#Rising anti-Semitism - kosher slaughter. Also, be warned that I quote the relevant act of the Polish Sejm, which might be a tad drastic for vegetarians or people with weak stomach. For all of them - a short summary. The ammendment passed to the act on slaughtering animals was passed before the act (disputed by the Jews) came into life. It adressed all the controversies and in the final statement explicitly stated that The regulations of this act do not apply to (...)the slaughter of animals for the groups of citizens, whose religion demands special means of slaughtering.. So, according to primary sources the whole argument does not hold water. Halibutt 21:10, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

13. oppose per Radiant. Everybody has a pov, it is silly to require "only neutral" editors shouold be admin. However, admins need to be capable of separating themselves from theirs when acting as admins, and this is more difficult the more unshakeable your own convictions. Halibutt doesn't convince me he is capable of this. Nationalist editors are a scourge on Misplaced Pages, and I will only support adminship of nationalist editors who have proven again and again their above-average skills at civility, fairness, soothing effect on their more radical peers, capability of seeing the other side etc. etc. The "support template" thing alone is sufficient to show that Halibutt is not very strong in these areas. dab (ᛏ) 11:11, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

    I only wonder why do you consider me a nationalist. Apart from the fact that the very term nationalist is quite offensive in Polish, I'm type of a socialist-liberal guy, with strong belief in democracy (still) and a lot of bad feelings for any rule of any fist, which is what nationalists usually dream of. Also, I don't consider my place in the world any better for me than yours is for you. So where's the fire, if I may ask? Halibutt 12:38, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

    I'm not convinced. change my vote to weak oppose then; I am not saying you are a terrible editor, but I do think we can clearly do without the sort of controversy your adminship is bound to stir up. dab (ᛏ) 10:13, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

    Actually I was not trying to convince you, I was merely trying to understand you. Halibutt 00:04, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

14. oppose per radiant. Briangotts 17:40, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

    Notwithstanding Radiant's change of heart, I still think there is too much controversy here. Briangotts 17:40, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

15. oppose. Halibutt doesn't seem neutral and objective, most of his editings are being made from ultra-conservative Polish poitn of view and aim at whitening the Polish nation. This is not a basis for being an admin. Voyevoda 17:06, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

    While it is by no means required, may I ask you to be more specific? Surely you don't find "my" article on Vickers Tank Periscope MK.IV, Battle of Kircholm, Stadion Dziesięciolecia, Warsaw University, Santi Gucci, Sejny (or any other randomly-picked article from my user page) written from ultra-conservative Polish point of view and aimed at whitening the Polish nation, do you. And I can't really tell how cane you whitewash anyone with a 7TP tank, articles on Żubrówka or a stub on Žinčica... Please, diffs and links are actually helpful. Halibutt 19:25, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

16. oppose. Halibutt bullheadedly went and moved Anti-tank rifle wz.35 despite several failed attempts to achieve consensus for the move. He showed no respect whatsoever for the Misplaced Pages:Requested moves procedure. Gene Nygaard 02:31, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

    But you should at least admit that I was the one to initiate all of the consensus attempts and it was you not to take part in most of them. Halibutt 00:04, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

    There was no consensus for the move in the begining, but after some time you gave up the discussion, failed to post on a talk page for a month - even when Halibutt asked for opinons on a new move - and when Halibutt moved the page in September, you didn't object - until now. All details are on (fairly short) Talk:Kb_ppanc_wz.35. I don't see any wrongdoings here on the part of Halibutt.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 04:02, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

17. Oppose. Between his actions regarding ] (less than a month ago!) and various Polish nationalist axe-grinding over the Gdansk/Danzig notices (demonstrating a certain contempt for consensus) and the Black Book page, I gotta say no. And if it's "no big deal" to be made an admin; well, then, it's no big deal if you're NOT made an admin, ennit? --Calton | Talk 04:15, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

    Sure. Halibutt

18. Oppose. Halibutt is a great editor and a "reasonable" patriot (compared to many others). All the more it hurts me to see all this controversy, an enourmous handicap for a new admin. Also, he doesn't seem to have the traits an admin needs to work properly. Karol 09:46, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

    (copied from user talk page)Thank you for your comments. Your comment made me think - how is a controversy a handicap for a 'broom and bucket' wielder? Also, what are the traits he is lacking? As his nominator, I wonder if I missed something. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 15:03, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

    Cześć! I have no experience as an admin, so I may be wrong, but it seems to me that these repeating contraversies, if continued, would cloud the good things he could do with the additional functions (however small they may be). As to the traits, what I had in mind is the inability to sometimes distance himself from certain subjects and contain his emotions. Don't get me wrong, I don't think that's bad in itself, but ultimitely I feel it's not the way an admin should act. Karol 17:10, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

    Oppose. I've been following up on the comments on this page, and I must say, my feeling has slipped from neutral territory. Enochlau 14:15, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

    I was asked why on my talk page. I initially looked at Halibutt's contributions, and I thought they were fine. However, having followed the links to several other talk pages, I just feel that perhaps there are perhaps too many feathers ruffled by Halibutt, which doesn't make a good entry into adminship. Not never, but not now. Enochlau 02:10, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

19. Oppose Halibutt is not admin material. He makes mostly good contributions, but he has also generated lots of trouble for the community by means of WP:POINT, leading to revert wars merely to demonstrate a point. I am worried about having him pushing WP:POINT with admin powers, and cannot support his adminship -- Chris 73 ] 09:32, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

    Oppose Too few edit summaries (before RfA) and even personal insults in some. For example the fact that just 3 hours before he was asked for adminship he called an anon who vandalized a Polish-related article a "moron" should not be overlooked.

    Just four days before that, he insulted for less obvious reasons a contributor to be nationalsocialistic and even to be the offspring of nazis:

    "partial revert of some Nazi POV-pushing anon. If he has any problems with the behaviour of his ancestor he should state it on the talk page".

    His Gdansk/Danzig involvement may be over for several months but to me it seems that his strong bias in Polish-related articles persists and given that he is mainly involved in such issues, I do not think that he can put his feelings of duty as an objective admin before his bias. NightBeAsT 11:13, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

20. Oppose per Ghirlandajo. Cadorna 16:10, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
21. Oppose. I'm sure he would do some good work, but too many things (the support template and the "Kb ppanc wz.35" debacle in particular) put me off. Sorry. violet/riga (t) 17:35, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
22. Oppose. We all have biases, but episodes such as the repeated recreation of the support template leave me concerned that the editor's strong opinions are not sufficiently controlled. I hesitate to grant administrative powers to candidates such as these, and the great difficulty in removing administrator status, recently exemplified by the still-in-progress WP:RFAr case, leave me wary. The difficulty in persuading him to delete the "black book" is also troublesome. Finally, the nominator's campaigning on the Polish Misplaced Pages and recent unblock warring leave the candidate without the traditional confidence usually granted by support of a long-time or well-respected editor. — Knowledge Seeker দ 04:43, 20 November 2005 (UTC) I should add that it appears Halibutt is a high-quality and prolific editor, and I thank him for the hard work he has put into Misplaced Pages. My opposition now will not preclude me from supporting in the future should the current concerns be addressed. Deletion of the black book was a great step. — Knowledge Seeker দ 05:20, 20 November 2005 (UTC)