Misplaced Pages

Revision as of 06:01, 22 November 2005

Template:UWAYOR Welcome to the Misplaced Pages

I noticed you were new, and wanted to share some links I thought useful:

• M:Foundation issues
• Misplaced Pages:Tutorial
• Misplaced Pages:Cleanup resources
• Misplaced Pages:Help desk
• Misplaced Pages:Five pillars

For more information click here. You can sign your name by typing 4 tildes, like this: ~~~~.

Be bold!

User:Sam Spade

Why were the pages belonging to this user deleted?

Why were the pages belonging to this user deleted? I see that there were previously 96 edits on the talk page and 88 edits on the main user page. Bahn Mi 22:09, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

He deleted it himself.
-- Миборовский 00:32, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Welcome to Human

Hope you can help us on Human. An new pair of fresh eyes can do wonders.... ≈ jossi ≈ 01:31, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

McClintock

Hi, thanks for the complements on the McClintock article. I have another biography to read before it's finished. I was wondering how you found the text- would it be confusing for people that don't know anything about genetics? --nixie 04:13, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

I am a geneticist so I am probably not the best to ask. My feeling would be don't dumb it down too much since the reader should be able to research the scientific words. It might be a good idea to have a summary of her major accomplishments. Everyone knows about her jumping genes but the cytogenetics, especially the telomere contribution, is equally impressive. This may get lost to the lay reader the way the article is currently formatted. David D. (Talk) 09:11, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Image Tagging Image:Fog&Sunny3.JPG

Thanks for uploading Image:Fog&Sunny3.JPG. I notice the image page currently doesn't specify who created the image, so the copyright status is therefore unclear. If you have not created the image yourself then you need to argue that we have the right to use the image on Misplaced Pages (see copyright tagging below). If you have not created the image yourself then you should also specify where you found it, ie in most cases link to the website where you got it, and the terms of use for content from that page.

If the image also doesn't have a copyright tag then you must also add one. If you created/took the picture then you can use {{gfdl}} to release it under the GFDL. If you can claim fair use use {{fairuse}}.) See Misplaced Pages:Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

If you have uploaded other images, please check that you have specified their source and copyright tagged them, too. Note that any unsourced and untagged images will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thanks so much. --cohesion | talk 07:22, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

EADS

Hi !

I am looking for information about EADS as I have to make an essay on this company...I have just seen your comment about EADS, so you may help me to find information about the different criticisms made on this company. Do you know any website, any newspaper or any article about it ?

Thank you for everything, Best regards, Ariabel zelliafr@yahoo.fr

Thank you

Ronald20

Ronald20 (talk · contribs) does occasionally do some good edits, so I try not to do Pavlovian knee -jerk reverts of his edits. One reason for that is that although he has never responded to any attempts to contact him he does seem to learn by example sometimes. Therefore I try, whenever possible, to do some cleanup on an article that he has edited instead of just simple reverts. You can see some more information about Ronald20 at User:BlankVerse/RonaldWatch.

You should watch that you don't blame every weird edit on TV and radio articles on Ronald20. He only edits from that user name, from dial-up IPs from the o1.com ISP, and from lausd.net (Los Angeles Unified School District). Also, his edit style is very obvious to me. There is another editor that has been dubbed the AOLBroadcastFan (see User:ErikNY/AOLBroadcastFan), plus there are a couple of other editors with odd editing habits that also edit broadcast articles.

Ronald20 doesn't do that much editing, and when he does his edits are usually easy to track. Furthermore, the falsehoods that he adds are usually very easy to spot (adding a death date way in the future to Snoop Dogg, saying that the Dodge nameplate has been retired, adding that KDIS (K-Disney) has abandoned their kid-friendly format). I have a much greater problem, for example, with editors who want to add unchallenged ID nonsense to the evolution article, or bigots who add trash to the Kwanzaa article. For more of my musing on Misplaced Pages issues, you can check out BlankVerse's ever-lengthening Misplaced Pages rants.

As for my "Use the Misplaced Pages at your own risk!" warning: It is just an enhanced and expanded, as well as more visible and more insistent version of the warning at Misplaced Pages:General disclaimer that you find linked to on every Misplaced Pages page. It's the version that I think that the Misplaced Pages should be using, but for now I will settle for it being on my user pages. I have been thinking of turning it into a subpage so that I can occasionally modify it while keeping the version on both my user page and talk page synchronized. If I do that, I will notify you if you want so that you can transclude that version. BlankVerse ∅ 04:22, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

As for the template: You should probably edit my editorial comment in the line "Misplaced Pages articles may be vandalized—either by immature kids or bigots" to just "Misplaced Pages articles may be vandalized".

As for the Jimbo comment: I think that you should consider Hanlon's Razor. Both the aesthetics and self-confidence reasons are misguided in my opinion. As far as self-confidence goes, I think that one of the great things about the Misplaced Pages is that we are freely willing to admit that there are many areas of the Misplaced Pages that are crap, but have also that we have the confidence (faith?) that the Misplaced Pages will improve over time. That is being extremely self-confident. BlankVerse ∅ 05:29, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure what I could link it to, but there probably should be a line in my disclaimer that says "the Misplaced Pages is a work in progress". If I can't find something to link it to, there probably should be an Misplaced Pages namespace article written on that topic. BlankVerse ∅ 06:02, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Evidence of Tony Sidaway's Misconduct

I am currently amassing evidence of the misconduct demonstrated by User:Tony Sidaway and would appreciate your help in the matter. If you would please post any contributions you may have to User:TheChief/Evidence I would appreciate it very much. TheChief (PowWow) 23:40, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Excelent View

That view of the school Wiki u gave was excellent and very true. I doubt the school watch people cares about thier own schools.I come across just horrible school articles and heavy vandalism of them alot and I havent seen one revert made by the 3 main members:Kappa, Nicolumus79, Thiverr. Thats is some thing that needs to change. Im one of the few who acually reverts nonsense junk in schools articles and some times Im tempt to AFD them but I cant do anything has its probaly going to be kept. Thats why I normally vote delete on schools cause It just will be another badly vandalised article later on and I belive a school wiki should be made cause of that. Im going to email Ryan Norton as he is in a permanint wikibreak and cant do anything in talk about creating the vote page for the new school wiki and hopefully there the vandalism goes away and both deletetionist and illusionist of those schools be happy. --JAranda | watz sup 01:08, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Re: schools debates

I read your comment and laughed out loud. So very true.  :-) Chris talk back 20:54, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for saying so. I do appreciate the support on this.Gateman1997 23:44, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

Mitochondrial disease

Well, a redirect should do for the moment. According to the manual of style, the first instance of mitochondrial myopathy can now be bolded on that page. Hopefully one day it will become its own article, but it's not a priorty of mine to work on that now... unless one of my patients turns out to have it & I'll be forced to read up on it :-) JFW | T@lk 19:36, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

school templates

Templates is a really tough question. I just keep finding so many exceptions, that it's really hard to find a pattern. You're right that I've been doing a separate table each time. I realize the problems with this. However, I find it's problematic forcing a standard. Different jurisdictions, use wildly different terms, for the same thing. Canadian schools have unique organizations, like Separate school districts (not public, and not private). Often, what's one item in one school, could be multiple items for another. But, even within Alberta, I find patterns difficult.

• Queen Elizabeth Junior and Senior High School (Calgary) - The junior serves one area, the senior a larger area, a special program the whole city
• Western Canada High School - Two separate "founding" dates

Some schools "feed" or are "fed" by certain others schools, while other schools have no such special relationships.

I had hoped that I would see a pattern, and then create/update a template, but so far, the pattern hasn't stabilized. Just recently, I've dealt with what should be a simple field "Primary language" (e.g. English or French). However, there are different cases: French language schools run by French school districts for French families, and French immersion schools run by English language districts for English families. So, I'm not sure how to make a template flexible enough to handle such stuff, but simple enough for simple cases. So, anyhow, I'll have to keep thinking about this one. It ain't simple. --rob 15:48, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the thoughtful response. I think you could be right that there are too many exceptions. One possability is to have a template, such that the overall look is standardised, but not specify the variables so that users can use what is most appropriate for each scenario. An example of this can be see in the Template:Infobox_School where you will notice there is one "free_label" and "free_text" option. i used this for the mascot option since mascot seem to be pretty big in the US. Consider a template where most of the variables are defined as free_text1, 2, 3 etc. This may allow the flexability that is required but help keep a predictable look to the infoboxes. David D. (Talk) 16:05, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

I think, regardless of whether we use templtes in all cases, we can still specify a standard. Perhaps, make a semi-standard template. If people don't use it, they'll still be asked to conform to things like field order, and terminology to the greatest extend possible. Maybe it's best to create a template, that actually lists every conceivable field that you would want. Even if it's not always used, it sets the standard. For instance, not everybody will say "mascot", or "Primary language". But, we can insist that "Primary language" comes before "Mascot" if used. And it might dictate a term like "Primary language" be used instead of "Main language". --rob 16:22, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

I think that it would be a good idea to standardise the order. In this way it will be easy to scan down any school template to find the required information and it will obviously be absent once readers become aware there is a defined order. David D. (Talk) 16:32, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

The mergist view

Thanks for the thought. I agree that merging may not necessarily be the best solution, but then neither is everything having its own little article. The schools group is taking a very scattergun approach to the issue, blasting out a whole muzzleful of substubs and hoping that some of them will take. I contend that's not the best way to provide people with quality information.

I recently did a small study on the fate of school articles. I looked at the entire set of school articles for the states of California and Texas (I chose those two because they were big states and likely to have lots of school articles.) I was especially interested in the long-term fate of an article, so I was looking for articles more than a year old. I found twelve. Of the twelve, only two had undergone substantial growth since their initial writing. Five others had undergone some growth. Five were essentially unchanged. This means that nearly half the articles had not shown any improvement since they were first created. Now we have people on the schools bandwagon creating stubs like there was no tomorrow. My guess is that most of them will also be unchanged this time next year. The percentage may well end up being worse than it is now, because a greater number of people are creating stubs for the sake of creating stubs, and there is no vested interest in seeing the articles improve. I think the eventualists are really dreaming with their eyes open when it comes to school articles.

Thanks for dropping me a line (apropos to what, I'm not sure). It's always nice to dialog. Denni☯ 03:04, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Merging arguments

I got your message and added some comments to a few more of the arguments. Care to pick up where I left off? flowersofnight (talk) 23:00, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

• I saw your updates on the CSD1 page; I've put my comments on the talk page there. flowersofnight (talk) 21:23, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Talk:Washington Elementary School

re Talk:Washington Elementary School: WikiProject Schools needs to start a major disambiguation campaign because I keep finding school articles where there should be disambiguation pages. Many of the articles should be obvious that they should be disambiguation pages (like Washington Elementary School), but the majority of school articles should be checked against Google to verify that their school name is unique. This should be done for both school articles and school redirects.

After creating a couple of school disambiguation pages tonight, I am wondering whether there should be a school disambiguation template, so that you could have a school disambiguation category. Blank 13:25, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

The Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Schools pages, and any other page that have to do with schools on the Misplaced Pages, are so disfunctional that I refuse to get involved in any of them. I even read the riot act to User:Denni when he copied something to the WPSchools talk page that I had left on his talk page because I don't even want that level of involvement.

About 85% of the people involved in those pages have already made up their mind so it doesn't matter what argument you come up with. It would be nice if they could just agree on some common sense measures as far as creating disambiguation pages and school district articles, but I can't see them even agreeing on that!

To see what I have done with some school disambiguation pages, you might look at George Washington High School, Wilson High School, Ulysses S. Grant High School, and John Marshall High School.

Note: User signatures are currently SNAFU'd if you are doing anything other than a simple link to your main user page. To fix your sig, see Misplaced Pages:How to fix your signature. 17:19, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Wrong place for Guerrero story

Sorry to break the news to you, but I already told someone that "professional wrestling" is not a sport, according to Vincent Kennedy McMahon, but "scripted entertainment", which is why you should have left the Eddie Guerrero death story on the current events page. NoseNuggets 11:08 AM US EST Nov 15 2005.

Your Vandetta Against Gastrich

I understand you deleting the link to The Skeptic's Annotated Bible: Corrected and Explained (a rebuttal to) The Skeptic's Annotated Bible is simply you trying to attack the author (Gastrich) and silence Christian thought and Christian replies to alleged Bible errors. Should anyone conclude otherwise?--Bobby Lou 06:01, 22 November 2005 (UTC)