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Accident scene

You said: "(cur) (last) 22:18, 20 August 2008 Adambro (Talk | contribs | block) (4,203 bytes) (remove unfree image, no reason why a free image of the scene can't be found) (undo)" - that's not how it works. You assume there is no free image UNTIL you encounter a free image of an accident scene. We do this with images of dead people, for instance; as long as we do not know of a free image, you are allowed to upload a non-free image. WhisperToMe (talk) 15:41, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Could you tell me to what page this relates such that I can make a more informed comment please? Thanks. Adambro (talk) 15:43, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Looking at your recent contributions I assume this is TACA Flight 390, give me a minute to respond. Adambro (talk) 15:45, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Yep, it is! Misplaced Pages:Nonfree#Images says:

• "Copyrighted images that reasonably can be replaced by free/libre images are not suitable for Misplaced Pages."
• Acceptable uses: "8. Images with iconic status or historical importance: As subjects of commentary."

The thing with accident wreckage is that it does not stay that way forever; once the wreckage is dismantled it is impossible to get a photo of it, and it is impossible to recreate a plane accident scene.

I could look at Flickr to see if anyone there took a photo of the accident scene and is willing to relicense photos to a level that is free. Once we get our hands on a free photo, then we can remove the nonfree photo. WhisperToMe (talk) 15:47, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

• The only picture I found on Flickr regarding TACA 390 was a copyright violation: http://www.flickr.com/photos/costaricasurfing/2537401761/ - Unless we can find a free photo of the wreck (and the wreck has probably been dismantled) we should assume that there is no free photo and use rationale 8, iconic status. WhisperToMe (talk) 15:49, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

I am unconvinced that the criteria you highlight is valid in this case since it isn't the image that is being discussed, it is the subject of the image. I also don't agree that simply not being able to find a free photo on Google/Flickr etc for something which does no longer exist is justification to use a non-free image. This just serves to devalue the hard work of contributors who go to great lengths to take photographs of such situations. Why would anyone bother if they could simply sit at home, wait for things to be cleared up, then find a random photo on the net and claim fair use. I fail to see the compelling need to even use a photo of the crash scene which can justify the use of an unfree image. However, considering the edit to my userpage I'm just about to make, announcing my retirement for the time being from Misplaced Pages due to other commitments, I won't be making any further comment on this nor will I be removing the image again. Adambro (talk) 15:58, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Yorkshire Newsletter - October 2008

The Yorkshire WikiProject Newsletter

The WikiProject Yorkshire Newsletter Issue 6 - October 2008 September issue Got any suggestions? — Add them here Project News Welcome to the sixth WikiProject Yorkshire monthly newsletter. WP:YORKS is a leading local British WikiProject in terms of the total number of articles supported (up from 4005 last month to 4085 on September 27th). WP:GM has the lead in FAs at 28 out of a total number of 1678 articles. In the area of GAs, at 21, WP:YORKS also falls behind WP:GM with 28. Priorities are not set in stone and if you would like to discuss changes, please join in at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Yorkshire Currently there are thirteen Yorkshire featured articles: Sheffield • History of Sheffield • Sheffield Wednesday F.C. • York City F.C. • M62 motorway • Henry Moore • George Calvert, 1st Baron Baltimore • Stocksbridge Park Steels F.C. • Valley Parade • Caedmon • William Wilberforce • History of Bradford City A.F.C. • Last of the Summer Wine There are also eight featured lists: List of York City F.C. Clubmen of the Year • List of York City F.C. managers • List of York City F.C. players • York City F.C. seasons • Bradford City A.F.C. seasons • List of York City F.C. statistics and records • Leeds United A.F.C. seasons • Scarborough F.C. seasons Thank you and well done to all those who contributed. Article Activity Last of the Summer Wine was promoted to FA Status on September 9th Curtis Woodhouse was nominated for GA Status on September 18th Henry Moore retained its FA Status after FAR on September 25th Member News There are now 51 members of WikiProject Yorkshire! A warm welcome to the new members that has joined us since the September newsletter: Marcopolomaya (talk · contribs) Nr9krw (talk · contribs) Langliffe (talk · contribs) Thanks There has been a number of suggestions on the ToDo list at Yorkshire Portal and this has been kept up to date too. The football and rugby editors have to be admired for keeping abreast of most, if not all, of the top clubs. WikiProkject Yorkshire editors have been busy on vandal patrol at watchlist. Thanks. A big "thank you" to all the editors who help make this WikiProject what it is; no edit goes unnoticed. Priority Articles The top priority articles that have been identified to date are as follows - Bradford • East Riding of Yorkshire • Henry Moore • Kingston upon Hull • Leeds • North Yorkshire • Ripon • Sheffield • South Yorkshire • Wakefield • West Yorkshire • William Wilberforce • York • Yorkshire • Yorkshire and the Humber The number has been kept deliberately low to give us a fighting chance of improving them to at least GA status, also so we can concentrate our efforts on these first. Yorkshire articles by quality and importance Quality Importance Top High Mid Low NA Other ??? Total FA 2 1 15 60 78 FL 1 16 17 GA 2 7 36 176 221 B 9 67 137 367 580 C 5 144 303 1,519 1,971 Start 1 242 1,258 8,697 1 10,199 Stub 21 352 5,656 3 1 6,033 List 4 12 976 992 Category 3,536 1 3,537 Disambig 21 21 File 22 22 Portal 82 82 Project 88 88 Redirect 2 189 1,314 1,505 Template 522 522 NA 8 9 17 Other 10 10 Assessed 19 486 2,116 17,664 5,607 1 2 25,895 Unassessed 5 5 Total 19 486 2,116 17,664 5,607 1 7 25,900 WikiWork factors (?) ω = 97,241 Ω = 5.10 Written by Keith D • Template by Jza84 | Single-Page View Would you like to write the next newsletter for WP:YORKS?? Please nominate yourself at WT:YORKS! New editors are always welcome! New Aims After discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Yorkshire in April 2008. Specific aims for the project are:- To complete tagging and assessment of all Yorkshire related articles (See below) To recruit more active editors (See Member News above) To bring our top level article Yorkshire up to Featured article status To bring all other top priority articles (currently 15 with 2 at FA) to at least Good article status To set up a weekly or monthly selected article improvement drive To produce a regular news letter for circulation to members Misplaced Pages DVD version 0.7 Misplaced Pages DVD Version 0.7 aims to be a collection of around 30,000 articles taken from the English version of Misplaced Pages. The process of producing the list of articles for the DVD is currently under way and 43 of the project's articles are being considered for inclusion. The list of selected Yorkshire articles can be seen here. The selection has been done using a scoring system depending on the project's assessment, the number of incoming links to the article, the number of interwiki links the article has and the number of times the article has been viewed. The process of selecting clean versions for each of the selected articles is also being undertaken so that vandalised versions are not put on the DVD. Some of the articles also have clean-up tags attached to them which need to be dealt with before a version can be used on the DVD. It would be good if members could address any tags in the selected articles and fix the problem identified. Those articles that are tagged by multiple projects should get a visit by each of the projects involved so the articles will probably get a lot of activity in the next few days. The cut-off date for this work is October 20th, but changes to articles following version selection may not be incorporated as there may not be time to reassess them. Please remember... The project is now subscribed to a clean-up listing which lists articles tagged with various clean-up tags that need attention. The listing is refreshed by a bot on a regular basis. Monitor Use the watchlist to keep an eye on changes to the project's articles so that vandalism and spamming can be removed as quickly as possible. Infoboxes Many of our articles would benefit from the addition of an appropriate infobox. Assessment Assess and review Assessment of Yorkshire related articles has been revised recently due to new classes being added by the Misplaced Pages:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team The changes are: The new C-Class represents articles that are beyond the basic Start-Class, but which need additional references or cleanup to meet the standards for B-Class. The criteria for B-Class have been tightened up with the addition of a rubric, and are now more in line with the stricter standards already used at some projects. A-Class article reviews will now need more than one person, as described here. References Please remember that the list of stubs needing expansion is always in need of attention. Please take a look and see if you can help. One small edit, such as adding a reference section and reference, to an article each session would make a big difference. Moves Please be careful when performing articles moves and ensure that you also move all the talk sub-pages and update any image fair use rational. Otherwise the archives, to-do lists, assessment comments and GA reviews get lost and the image may be deleted as it has an incorrect FUR.

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Regarding IP Address 216.49.231.250

I went to the article Typewriter and found vandalism there made by this IP address. I gave this person a {{uw-generic4}} because I found out the history of this IP's actions. So I want to let you notify other for me before this person strikes again, and I would appreciate that IP address be banned again. Thank you! --Gh87 (talk) 04:35, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for your action with the Georgina Baillie article in my user space. It seems really bizarre - I just had a bit of spare time today and wanted to read more about the girl. I can't see what the fuss is, she is already famous and just be the look of her, she's hot hot hot and unless she's got a voice like a parrot she's going far. Bugsy (talk) 20:22, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

I've apologized to Insomnia for the undue haste of that deletion. Cheers, Dlohcierekim 21:14, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Wikimedia UK v2.0

Hello! Thanks for showing an interest in Wikimedia UK v2.0. Formation of the company is currently underway under the official name "Wiki UK Limited", and we are hoping to start accepting membership in the near future. We have been drawing up a set of membership guidelines, determining what membership levels we'll have (we plan on starting off with just standard Membership, formerly known as Guarantor Membership, with supporting membership / friends scheme coming later), who can apply for membership (everyone), what information we'll collect on the application form, why applications may be rejected, and data retention. Your input on all of this would be appreciated. We're especially after the community's thoughts on what the membership fee should be. Please leave a message on the talk page with your thoughts.

Also, we're currently setting up a monthly newsletter to keep everyone informed about the to-be-Chapter's progress. If you would like to receive this newsletter, please put your username down on this page.

Thanks again. Mike Peel (talk) 19:51, 8 November 2008 (UTC) (Membership Secretary, Wikimedia UK )

Northern Rail

I have found the citation you required for class 180's on Northern. I added the information after speaking to the Managing director of Northern Rail but couldn't find any citation in the media, but finally have. You may need a whole review though as there are MANY MANY statements with no citation on many pages, good job we are not all as picky as you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.69.246.61 (talk) 10:29, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

You are indeed correct that there are a great many unsourced statements in articles which I fully support the removal of if no source can be cited. However, obviously I can't deal with everything. It is a great shame that "we are not all as picky as you", since Misplaced Pages policy requires information is cited. I am very worried about rumours from rail forums ending up on Misplaced Pages article with no citations and will continue to fight this. Class 180s to Northern has developed like this but I am pleased if finally something resembling a reliable source can be cited although it is a shame that in this case, since I don't have a copy of 'Rail' I can't confirm the exact details. This is useful because as has been shown by your recent edit to British Rail Class 150, the source doesn't always support what is being stated. Adambro (talk) 11:26, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Wiki UK Ltd Membership applications now invited!

Hello,

It gives me great pleasure to announce that Wiki UK Limited is now inviting membership applications! You can download the application form in PDF format from meta:Image:Wiki_UK_Ltd_membership_application_form.pdf

Information is given on the form about membership fees (£12/year standard, £6 for concessions); these need to be paid by cheque initially, although we hope to accept other forms of payment in the future. Applications should be submitted to me at the address given on the form. If you have any queries about the application process, please let me know.

We will formally start accepting members once we have a bank account, as we cannot process membership fees until that time. We will be submitting our application for a bank account in the very near future, and we hope to have this set up by the end of December at the latest.

Thank you for your support so far; I look forward to receiving your membership application.

Mike Peel (talk) 21:42, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

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Wikiproject Electronics collaboration

Hi, I am writing to you because you have listed yourself as a member of the Electronics WikiProject. Sadly, this project is pretty dead, but I propose to resuscitate it with a collaboration. The idea is to have a concerted effort on improving one article per month, hopefully to GA or FA status and nominate the very best of them for the front page. I have prepared a page to control this process at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Electronics/Collaboration (actually, I mostly shamelessly stole it from Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Mammals where a collaboration of this sort was succesfully run). There you can make nominations for articles for collaboration or comment on the nominations of others.

If you want to take part you might like to place this template {{WikiProject Electronics Collaboration}} on your userpage which will give you a link to the current collaboration. If you are no longer interested in Wikiproject Electronics, please remove yourself from the members list, which is now at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Electronics/Members

Thanks for listening, SpinningSpark 15:23, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:1066DC dvd.GIF)

Thanks for uploading Image:1066DC dvd.GIF. The media description page currently specifies that it is non-free and may only be used on Misplaced Pages under a claim of fair use. However, it is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Misplaced Pages. If the media was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that media for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Misplaced Pages (see our policy for non-free media).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Misplaced Pages page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that all non-free media not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. BJBot (talk) 05:02, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

British Rail Class 150

Hi Adam. I undid your removal of the Fleet Details on British Rail Class 150 as I think it would be better to tag them as unreferenced and give people a chance to reference them. This information must have come from somewhere so I think there is a good chance that it can be referenced properly. If nobody does anything with it within a week or two then please take it out again. I won't object this time. --DanielRigal (talk) 00:08, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps you're more optimistic than me but this is a problem that persists in UK rail articles generally and previous attempts to find reliable sources for similar information has proved impossible. Too many rail enthusiasts unfortunately don't appreciate that they can't just add content because it is accurate, we can only add content that can be appropriately referenced. I think Year1989 (talk · contribs)'s comment in restoring this content that "there is a lot of useful info there that IS CORRECT. Also other pages contain similar information so why can't this one?" is indicative of this problem, there seems to be a lack of concern about verifiability.

Whilst I appreciate your intention of leaving this a bit longer in the hope that references can be found, I fear all this will achieve is for this unreferenced material to be available under our name for longer. I would rather this information not be in the article until such time as it can be referenced and just as this, and your comment on the talk page will hopefully draw attention to this issue, it is equally possible that we can encourage editors to try to source this without it being in the article in the meantime.

I've tagged this article as lacking refs on 5 December 2008, I've raised this general problem with the appropriate Wikiproject, and individually with Year1989. None of this has resolved these issues.

I won't remove the information immediately again, I'll give it a week or two, but I'll continue to try to address this problem in other articles and, whilst trying to get references added, won't spend an excessive amount of time in doing so before removing content. It is more important that readers are presented with referenced content than it is to keep unreferenced content in articles. Adambro (talk) 12:21, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

RE

Hi, unfortunately the email was written in a too informal way to be posted on OTRS. Cheers, --Eurocopter (talk) 19:17, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

My DRV

Thank you for all you have done to help me with this DRV. I thought you should know that I have managed to find and upload three original images --98.213.141.241 (talk) 21:44, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Couplings

I've replied to your message on my own talk page. Ansbaradigeidfran (talk) 16:46, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image (File:NX-East-Anglia.gif)

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RE: Cross Country Class 221

Hi,

Class 221 total numer of sets: 44

Virgin Trains operate 21 of them (I work for them)

Therefore CrossCountry operate the remaining 23.

HTH

Cheers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fiestaman87 (talk • contribs) 19:31, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Ahh, I see, the figures I have are slightly out of date. It appears 221114–221118 got transferred to Virgin on the December TT change. Thanks for your help. Just trying to find a reliable source for this now. Adambro (talk) 19:44, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Request for opinion

Hi, I and my fellow editors are facing a deadlock on a issue of removing/toning down few lines on 'Allegations of Human Rights violation against the Indian Army' under 'criticism of the operation' section in Operation Blue Star article, concerns include WP:NPOV, WP:SOAP & WP:V, the summary of dispute can be found at . I would request you to kindly go through the article and please let us know your views/opinion at the talk page of the article so that npov, balance and undue weight concerns may be looked into and a consensual solution may be found. Thanks LegalEagle (talk) 05:57, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

WP:DFTT at Talk:Project Chanology

I appreciate your sound response with sources, but really WP:RBI is the best way to go with this. For some reason DavidYork71 (talk · contribs) has been a source of chronic abuse on this article and its talk page. See also and . Cirt (talk) 19:24, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Article sections

Points noted - I will be more careful in formatting sections in future. Thanks.87.102.43.12 (talk) 18:30, 13 February 2009 (UTC)FengRail (talk) 18:30, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

fires?

Also re British Rail Class 220 - thanks for adding an external link for the fire -(from the link):

It is believed to have started after a bird got wedged in part of a Cross Country train and caused the brakes to overheat

I'm not sure if this has been reported correctly ??

From Banbury_railway_station "..a CrossCountry Voyager forming a service from Bournemouth to Derby caught fire whilst standing on platform 2. The fire was located in the air conditioning vents..."

This seems different from the bird/brakes explanation?

I've left message at Talk:British_Rail_Class_220#Banbury_fire regarding this - notably I can't prove it was a 220 and not a 221/222.

Other fires

From http://www.virgintrains.co.uk/img/aboutus/downloads/CrossCountry%20News%20April%2006.pdf

The only main line Voyager failure of significance has been the exhaust fire at

Congleton on 19.01.06. As with two earlier similar fires, at Starcross and Newcastle, the cause was a wrongly-fitted component during a recent engine overhaul by

Cummins, the engines manufacturer.

FengRail (talk) 19:22, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

I'll add the above to the article though it doesn't seem to directly relate to the banbury fire.

FengRail (talk) 19:22, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Photograph of 365530 at Cambridge

This applies to the webpage Networker (train) <http://en.wikipedia.org/Networker_(train)>

Someone thinks that the photograph of the Class 365 'Networker Express' No. 365530 at Cambridge is also a Class 165 Network Turbo - this is incorrect and the photograph should be removed. The Networker Express Class 365 are dual voltage four carriage EMUs, whilst the Networker Turbo Class 165 are diesel two and tree car DMUs.

--Peter Skuce (talk) 00:37, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

needs to be dramatic. its a company take over!

needs to be dramatic. its a company take over! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.209.117.68 (talk) 23:36, 17 February 2009 (UTC)