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I didn't even know about WillC until about a few months ago. I started using that sig around March or April of last year to show my own made up nick name. My name is William C, hense WillC. Go to my history of my user page and look at the About Me section before I became semi-retired. It states the samething there.--WillC 01:00, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm assuming good faith that your name is William C, and i'm not trying to accuse you of intentionally impersonating him (if it came across that way, it was unintentional). However, even if that is actually your name, my interpretation of the guideline is that the signature is not allowed because we have an actual User:WillC. If you wanted to change your sig to read WilliamC of something like that, I think it would be perfectly acceptable. Of course, you could also use your actual username, or something completely different. I just don't want other people to be confused when they try to contact you or look at the edit summaries, as I was. Firestorm 01:08, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

No one is going to confuse the two of us. WillC is not that active. I even contacted him about having the same name. He deleted the section and never replied to me. My full name is William Mark-Howard Chaudoin. Check this. The reason I use WillC is because it sounds like "We'll see".--WillC 01:18, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

I would prefer having input from other editors on the matter, but you don't seem to be using it for the purposes of impersonation, so I'm not inclined to pursue it any further. Firestorm 01:26, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Alright, hey if I sound a little annoying or like a jackass, I'm sorry. I'm just not in a great mood. I would rather not discuss the out of universe format anymore. The discussion on the format has been going on since July because users like the fan's perspective format better. No offense if you do, it is I would like peace with the project. The more discussion takes place the more I have to change the articles I write and it gets really hard after you've finished an article and you have to re-write everything you just wrote. It is really stressful.--WillC 01:31, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

That's fine. Every editor is entitled to a bad day once in a while. I can certainly understand your frustration at having your work criticized and having to rewrite it. Be assured that I have no issue with you as a person or as an editor, and I am taking this position solely because I feel it would be for the betterment of the Wiki. Firestorm 01:44, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Alright, I hope you can understand my position at believing the Out of Universe format is helpful to the project as a whole. I also hope you agree with GaryColeFan's idea of a compromise. I believe that is the best action at the moment. Just a small explanation with a link to the move. Just giving the main points. I believe that way, both parties get their way. The OOU stays intacted and articles do not have the long description.--WillC 08:51, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

WP:ER

Firestorm, your ER has been open past one month (the time limit), I need to archive it due to the backlog at ER. Do you wish to keep it open any longer, if not I need to archive it.--Truco 02:38, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

That's fine, I got the feedback I needed. No need to keep it open any longer. Thanks for the heads up, though. Firestorm 04:02, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism on LSM

Hey, I just noticed that you issued a relatively new user (User talk:SinBot) a level 4 vandalism warning for an edit they made to Living Stream Ministry that you apparently thought was inappropriate. Their edit summary, however, would seem to suggest that they were simply removing an unsourced statement, and that's what it looked like their edit did. Incorrectness of their username aside, I don't think it's appropriate to be issuing such warnings to inexperienced users who don't seem to be actually trying to do anything wrong. Do you think you could back off a little bit and assume good faith? Thanks. KhalfaniKhaldun 06:41, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm, i'm not quite sure why Huggle did that. Thanks for bringing it to my attention; I have converted it into a level 1 warning. Firestorm 06:54, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Gotchya. I've been running into Huggle problems like that a bit lately. Someone left me a warning on my talk page the other day that wasn't even meant for me. =/ KhalfaniKhaldun 07:03, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, its been problematic lately. Anyways, happy editing! Firestorm 07:11, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Mistaken vandalism

Sorry about that mistake of mine on . It wasn't vandalism, just a new user who clicked the wrong button while using Lupin :-D TravisAF (talk) 01:32, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

No problem, I figured it was something like that. No real harm done. Firestorm 01:33, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

thanks

Thanks for your imput on the RfC/U on me. I value your opinion highly. There has also been an AN/I and AN3 on me, and I fear it will vastly slow my ability to work in the mediation. Ah well. Collect (talk) 03:25, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

No problem. As I just wrote on the RFC/U's Talk page, I have butted heads with you several times and think that most of your positions are wrong, but I believe that you are here in good faith. Firestorm 03:31, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Still not a single one of the complainants has shown any dispute resolution attempts in the past <g> and Phoenix seems determined to use the votestacked RfC/U to punish me. Now, of course, he figures you are a secret ally over all this time ... this is the single oddest RfC/U I have ever seen. I refuse to play the votestack game, and this should be noted at some point. Thanks! Collect (talk) 20:16, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

It is very odd, and it does seem that the RFC is intended to be punitive, rather than preventative as it should be. Of course, you and I know that we have very wide gaps in editing philosophy and are probably the two most unlikely people to be "secret allies" on the wiki. Up until the Rick Warren thing, I had never even heard of you, lol.

As a sidenote, I do suggest you agree to my offer of mentorship. I think you could really benefit from it as an editor. I know you don't think you've done anything wrong, but you do have a tendency to push your idea of what the wiki should be a little too aggressively. Firestorm 20:29, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Heck, on some things maybe I can cross-mentor you as well -- my 27 years online should be good for something <g>. Did you read my userspace essays? I would, moreover, like this to be an informal understanding, and let the RFC/U officially die -- it is a teensy bit contentious at this point, and I seriously doubt the votestackers would let this go through. Collect (talk) 22:24, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Vampire Lifestyle

You reverted my edits of bringing back the content from Sanguinarian article. The article now is a link. You sure this part was in this article and was removed? Because seems to be a valuable part to enrich the so-far dim article. If it was removed, then my apologies, I have not seen it. I was also thinking about bringing back the content related with Health risks, methodology & life style practices from the old article, in a way to work as a prevention and keep people informed in the related health risks of sanguinarian practices in the vampire lifestyle subculture. That part clearly needs some tweaking, but I find it important in the way to help educate unaware teens reading this article or interested in vampirism. Thank you for your comments on both issues. Cristina Torres (talk) 20:37, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes, the content was previously included in the article, as seen in this version from last December. It was removed as part of a larger cleanup effort for the article because most of it was completely unsourced, and the few references were there were to essays written by people that are part of this lifestyle, on websites which do not have a peer review process and are therefore not up to our standards on reliable sources.

As far as writing a part on medical aspects and health risks, I would be in favour of this. However, it has to be well cited to good sources (medical websites, peer-reviewed scientific journals, etc, not just things written by the vampire community). I'm sure several documentaries or news/magazine pieces have been written on the subject, so if you could find them and write a well-referenced section on medical/lifestyle things then that would be appropriate for inclusion. Thanks for the understanding, and good luck! Firestorm 20:48, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

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Smoot

It's already got 8 references, 5 external links, an entry in List of humorous units of measurement and well over 50 articles which link to it. What more do you want? - Denimadept (talk) 02:25, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

There are still a lot of unsourced statements. {{notability}} might have been a little too harsh, but I stand by the refimprove and suggestion to merge.Firestorm 02:30, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

I suggest you point out anything you consider "unsourced". Use the appropriate template, y'know? - Denimadept (talk) 02:35, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

 Done Firestorm 02:45, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Nice! I was able to resolve some of those, but not all. The image of the 100 Smoot mark should answer the one about marks on the bridge, BTW. - Denimadept (talk) 02:54, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Also, if you don't mind, please check out User:Denimadept/Harvard Bridge and comment in its talk page. - Denimadept (talk) 03:04, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Sure, i'd be happy to. Firestorm 03:21, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

 Done Firestorm 03:40, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Question. Under the "trivia" heading, the bit about the Houdini stunt? It says right in the line what the reference is. That's not sufficient? - Denimadept (talk) 05:54, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

You're right, I moved the sentence around to make it more clear where the information came from. Also, WP conventions generally frown on Trivia sections, so you might want to try and incorporate it into the body of the article somewhere. Trivia sections aren't forbidden, but they're discouraged. Other than that, excellent work. Firestorm 06:34, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

I see. The weird thing is that I saw an auction for a set of plates supposedly showing the sequence of Houdini doing the deed. Guy wanted $5000 for the set. Right. They didn't sell. I'd've given maybe $5 each for the 5 of them. Then I'd have scanned them and added the results. :-) So there are photographs, if I can find them. - Denimadept (talk) 06:57, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

I've been trying to figure out how to incorporate that into the article for months. Could just change the header to something like "events", I suppose. Seems like a cheap fix. - Denimadept (talk) 06:59, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

That would work, sure. You could even bring in the Smoot thing as a subsection of Events if you like. Firestorm 07:05, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Chairman of ANSI is notable per se, and cites in NYT confirm absolute claim to notability for the "Smoot." Also in official MBTA press releases, and references on MIT. ITs fame now is partially due to Smoot';s career, but it sure the heck meets notability! (sticking to dealing with rational people instead of Bill the Lizard and the other jurors). Collect (talk) 18:16, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Also title of a learned tome from Yale University Press and apparently a nice brass plaque. Collect (talk) 18:51, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

I got pictures of the bridge today, with all the Smoot marks. woohoo. Now to figure out what to do with them. - Denimadept (talk) 03:27, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

If I were you, i'd start by looking at which ones are best, and upload those to Commons under a CC-BY-SA license, then figure out how best to incorporate a few of them into the article. Firestorm 03:39, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, both Smoot and Harvard Bridge should benefit, as well as possibly one or two other articles, such as Longfellow Bridge. - Denimadept (talk) 04:40, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Mentor for Collect

I hope that I was clear that my issue with mentoring Collect was procedural not personal. I'm sure you would make a wonderful mentor. Just not for this particular editor. To me, the fact that you have edited some of the same articles is cause for concern. I'm sure your offer was with the very best of intentions and had the harmony of the WikiPedia community at heart. I would certainly support a co-mentoring with another veteran administrator that is detached from Collect.--Buster7 (talk) 06:18, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

I understand that what you said was meant in good faith, and I'm not considering it an attack (at least not anything you in particular have said; certain other editors have been rather more aggressive). I understand that you would prefer other editors who are not involved with this dispute, and I respect that opinion. As to the "same articles" I have edited, the only article that I can remember crossing paths with Collect is Rick Warren, and that was because I work for the Mediation Cabal and somebody (might have been Phoenix or another involved editor, I don't remember) filed a case requesting mediation. Even then, I strongly disagreed with the positions of Collect, and I still do.

I just don't think this RfC is going to accomplish anything, and I want it done. I want the entire issue to be finished; between Phoenix/Collect battles, the MedCab mediation, and the Mediation Committee case where the article currently is, its quite enough. All the m:Wikistress is a lot for anyone to handle, and I think that everyone involved is starting to crack. The case has been going on for months, and has had two bans over COI (one was a member of Warren's church, and the other turned out to be an advisor and confidante of Warren himself), several civility blocks, and lots of other issues. So under the circumstances, I can fully understand that both Phoenix and Collect are at the end of their ropes, and I just want the entire issue put to bed so we can all go do more productive things.

I'm really not sure why i'm going into all this detail; I guess it just feels good to write it down. Anyway, now you know the proper context of this entire situation. that said, I'm not holding anything against you or any other editors (except for the smear tactics, but that wasn't you and i'm not getting into that now). I think now would be a goods time to stop typing, so I will. Firestorm 07:43, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry for my aggressive comments but I was frustrated with you. Your comment about RFC being "a tool in the ongoing content dispute" was totally uncalled for. I believe I'm pretty justified in having concerns about Collect's behaviour so your dismissal...I didnt like it. Besides other reasons, I had left the mediation . I was (and am) done with Rick Warren. And no I didnt file the RFC to get back at him cause I left the mediation, I was thinking about it for a long time . I filed it after Collect's edit warring in Fascism. Phoenix of9 (talk) 16:06, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

I accept the apology, and I'm not holding any grudges. I acknowledge that you probably had other reasons than the ones i had assumed. However, looking at things from my perspective, i'm sure you can understand how I might have arrived at my viewpoint, yes? Just as I can understand how you arrived at your opinion that Collect was doing it all maliciously. So much of this dispute has been mistaken perception, on all sides. I'm sure you share my opinion, though, that the entire thing needs to be ended. People who haven't been involved in the issue for weeks and months want to push it up to ArbCom. I just want a quick resolution to this, and i'm sure you can agree that that would be better than more months of bickering. Is that goal something we can both agree on? Firestorm 17:36, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

I just wanted to thank you for reverting all that vandalism on my userpage :)

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Neutrality

There is no neutral point of view available when dealing with religions. Those that want to be considered Christian, though whom are clearly not, will try to force themselves into the Christian lists. I believe it is proper to remove those organizations that are viewed as cults and non christian organizations, or at least mention that most protestants or christians view those organizations as "nonchristian cults and not christian organizations". Just because they want to be called one, doesnt make them one. The information that was stated and altered, has been historical fact and is noted by respescted christian historians such as Walter Martin and others. Of which I was updating the reference information when you removed my edits. Which were valid edits.

I did not know how to respond to your message, so I am posting this here.

Thanks :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.167.130.27 (talk) 02:19, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

If you believe that these denominations are not Christian, then you are, of course free to have that opinion. If you want to put it up on Misplaced Pages, however, then you need to have references that meet our standard for reliable sources. We here at Misplaced Pages set the bar at Verifiability, not truth. So if you have sources where notable theologians have said they're not christian, then you can cite them in the articles and people will accept it. Happy editing! Firestorm 02:28, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Re: AfD

You're welcome. If you can remove all the sourcing to the primary material (novels) and replace it with slightly better primary (chronologies and encyclopedias, what have you) I think you'll be in much better shape. Another point I didn't bring up at AfD is it's possible that the Chronology could be merged in with the Star Wars canon article to improve both, as there is already some canon information in the chronology lead and the (shorter) list of events could just be an integrated list. --Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs 11:52, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Hooray for progress!

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Scientific misconduct mediation

Hi, we've got statements from four editors, including me, for Misplaced Pages:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2009-03/Scientific_misconduct. What now? Fences and windows (talk) 21:40, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

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Request for impartial opinion.

I noticed that you have removed most of the promotional material related with Michelle Belanger from the article on Vampire Lifestyle, as well as the assessments made on the lack of WP:N and WP:RS on her published works. Given all the past attempts at promotion I am worried if a bio page on this person has enough notability for an individual article in an encyclopedia or will just open doors for added promotion in the future. I have expressed my personal view at the new AfD, but given your closer involvement in this matter, your impartial opinion on this topic would be appreciated. AfD Link

Note: I am leaving this notification on TheRedPenOfDoom and Firestorm talk pages, since both have been involved in this issue for longer than I did. DianaLeCrois  : 23:46, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

collect

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Amanda Grayson (star trek)

hi;

you were listed on the project star trek page as "grand admiral" so i thought i'd contact you re: the following...

i'm working on improving the article about Amanda Grayson; the page was blanked & redirected unilaterally by User:EEMIV; who has made a practice of doing this to minor, not well written, unattended articles. typically he blanks, redirects & posts a comment justifying this action, all at hte same time. i don't think that's very good practice myself, my understanding is that one should post a comment on the talk page & at least wait a few days for comments before making that kind of major alteration.

in any case, i've restored the page, & have more or less completed a first draft re-working of the material. would appreciate some feedback on it, as well as suggestions for what to add.

in the meantime EEMIV has nominated it for deletion Misplaced Pages:Articles_for_deletion/Amanda_Grayson. could use some help on that one too... XD

Lx 121 (talk) 15:23, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments. However, i'm the Coordinator of WikiProject Star Wars, not Star Trek. I actually know almost nothing about Star Trek, so I have no idea how notable this person is. In our WikiProject, we used to have articles on every single minor character who anyone felt it necessary to write about. Currently, all except the most notable of them have been merged into alphabetical lists of characters. The current consensus at that AfD is along those lines; that the article should be merged into the big list.

As far as EEMIV's actions, they seem to be part of the bold, revert, discuss pattern, which is completely acceptable and even encouraged on Misplaced Pages. Firestorm 16:50, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Waterloo Road characters

Im sorry but that edit i made is not unconstructive. The Youth characters have always been listed in alpha order so the other user changing it is in the wrong not me. Harleyamber (talk) 21:17, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Sorry about that. All I saw was a new user removing information that was referenced, so I assumed it was vandalism. I'll remove the warning from your talk page. Firestorm 21:20, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Reverting violations of WP:BLP

Note to socks

- This comment is inappropriate, we have no idea as to the nature or motivation of the socks, the vast majority of which (on this particular page Project Chanology) are socks of community banned user DavidYork71 (talk · contribs). Please keep in mind both WP:RBI, and especially WP:DFTT. It would be best for you to remove that comment. Thank you, Cirt (talk) 05:04, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, i've just been getting very frustrated when the same people try and push their POV over and over again, even though they know it won't work. I can't prove it, but given the nature and persistence of the socking, OSA is a very likely source for the disruption. They do the same thing on countless other websites, as well as alt.religion.scientology. I guess I just got a little too frustrated with them, and i'll remove my comment. Firestorm 05:11, 23 May 2009 (UTC)