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Phone Call to Putin

Hi there, in regards to Phone Call to Putin, I believe that the AfD was closed inappropriately, and have therefore relisted here. --Russavia 01:04, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

It is now at deletion review. Cheers, --Russavia 17:04, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

The AfD which you initiated has now been reopened at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Phone Call to Putin (2nd nomination). --Russavia 20:34, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Thank you.DonaldDuck (talk) 05:27, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Putinland

Hey there, here's an article which was created as a WP:POINT to the AfD for eSStonia. You may want to take a look at it. Putinland. --Russavia 20:29, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Kolchak

Your edits in the Kolchak page amount to vandalism. Please cease with the removal of sourced text. Kupredu (talk) 18:23, 2 May 2009 (UTC) I remove only Soviet nonsense with dubious or strongly partisan sources:

• "Some think of Kolchak" - taken from forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=79&t=127527&start=0, total nonsense about ultra-right wing parties, most ministers in Kolchaks government were socialists.
• Piece from Soviet Russia pictorial published Soviet Government Bureau and Friends of Soviet Russia - strongly partisan source. Especially funny as Lenin himself ordered to blow up the railways many times.
• "follow the example of the Japanese who, in the Amur region, had exterminated the local population" - this is nonsense both about Kolchack and Japanese, who did not exterminate local population.
• piece about people 25000 shot in Ekaterinburg from BSE - total nonsense.

DonaldDuck (talk) 01:01, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Material published by Russia's Academy of Sciences qualify as reliable sources. Your opinion of scholarly material as "rubbish" and "total nonsense" is worthless. Nor is there any justification for your deletion of historian Arno Mayer's citation of a quote showing Kolchak's call for atrocities against peaceful people. Even if your claim about the partisan aspect of the sources is to be accepted as valid, it would still be unjustified to remove the sources. For example, Lenin's Collected Works are partisan, but all professional historians on the subject of the Russian Revolution cite his works for analyses, etc. Misplaced Pages does not practice censorship. All sources published by professional scholars have a place in this encyclopedia. Kupredu (talk) 02:31, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Lenin's Collected Works may be relevant for description of Lenin himself, but not for scholarly description of Kolchak. There are good books on Kolchak: Sibir, soiuzniki i Kolchak: povorotnyi moment russkoi istorii 1918-1920 gg. by G. K. Gins or Belaia Sibir by Konstantin Sakharov, for example. DonaldDuck (talk) 03:03, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Your vandalism and attempted censorship of the page is absolutely unacceptable. You cannot remove material just because you don't like what it says.Kupredu (talk) 17:27, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Bialystok

I don't have a handy copy of Radzinsky anymore - but does it reference that the other pogroms (Kishieniev, Kiev, Odessa...) were organized by Czarist authorities? The sources for the fact that this one was are in the article already.radek (talk) 00:25, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Additionally I expect that this source: also has same info but unfortunetly that particular page is not available for preview.radek (talk) 00:28, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Quack quack cuckoo quack quack Biophys quack quack

You may be interested to know that User:Biophys is accusing you of being a sockpuppet of MPowerDrive (talk · contribs) (or vice versa). His accusations are being made at Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet_investigations/Jacob_Peters. You should note that this checkuser case has been denied, so having said that, you should keep an eye on Special:Contributions/Biophys so that you can see when he files the report on you. You may also want to take note of his continued harrassment against myself at Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Archive191#Ethics_of_sharing_an_account with the aid of other editors, another sockpuppet report against User:Petri Krohn and User:Offliner at Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Petri Krohn, and my complaint against Biophys and his continued accusations against editors whom he is in editorial disputes with at Misplaced Pages:AN#Biophys_continuing_harrassment. --Russavia 04:00, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I will keep an eye on this.DonaldDuck (talk) 04:08, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

deletion?

What is the purpose of ? Διγουρεν_{Εμπρος!} 10:54, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Articles about molotov-ribbentrop pact and deportations are unrelated to "falsification of history" (by the way, it is typical KGB phraseology).DonaldDuck (talk) 11:03, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

3RR violation on Tsarist autocracy

You've violated the 3RR rule on Tsarist autocracy, with your last edit if not the one before it (basically 5 reverts in a little over 24 hrs). I'd appreciate it if you self reverted, per: .radek (talk) 02:13, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

• I've reverted myself. Still, nobody answered issues raised by Altenmann at the talk page.DonaldDuck (talk) 02:21, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. I mean that sincerely, I appreciate it. I think part of the reason why nobody's responding to Altenmann is because it just doesn't seem like a serious argument. The Google BOOK search is a concise way of referencing several scholarly works at once, rather than inserting numerous individual citations for what are obviously scholarly sources.radek (talk) 02:24, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

May 2009

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Białystok pogrom. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. — ] (talk · contribs) 03:18, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Ongoing vandalism

Note that there are consequences for vandalism as you have done in the Kolchak page as well as the article on the Revolution of 1905. I suggest you stop now. Kupredu (talk) 17:18, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

That's not his only target. Consider this bit of vandalism, for example. Διγουρεν_{Εμπρος!} 18:40, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

December 14

In December 14, is there another qualifier that could be used instead of "illegally"? I think that "The Soviet Union is expelled from the League of Nations for invading Finland", not because they invaded Finland but because they "illegally" invaded Finland. Maybe another word other than illegally? Wasn't the entire purpose of the League of Nations the prevention of war? Wouldn't starting a war be contrary to the requirements of the League then? 199.125.109.64 (talk) 12:03, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

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Soviet Union was expelled from League of Nations for violation of Covenant of the League. But this is not a law, but document of the League of Nations, so the term "illegally" doesn't apply there.DonaldDuck (talk) 12:23, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Technically what makes something illegal is solely the fact that it is a violation of some "rule", which we commonly refer to as a "law". For example, the ten commandments are not "laws" in todays sense of the word, but don't try to tell that to any orthodox Jew who considers them to be the only laws that exist. By the 19th century only three of the ten commandments were still considered worthy of making into laws - thou shalt not kill and thou shalt not steal, plus thou shalt not bear false witness. Of the many laws punishable by death 2,000 years ago, most are no longer illegal today, and most of the laws today were not even considered inappropriate actions 2,000 years ago. So a violation of something written is what we call doing something "illegal", but if you can find a better word to describe "they were kicked out of the League of Nations for a violation of the Covenant of the League" than "illegally invading" that would be great. 199.125.109.64 (talk) 13:05, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

User notice: indefinite 3RR block

Regarding reversions made on May 12 2009 to Tsarist autocracy

The duration of the block is 2 weeks.

You're clearly edit warring here. You have a previous 1 week block that appears to have taught you nothing. You never mark any of your reverts as such.

William M. Connolley (talk) 19:06, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

I've just read and so have extended the block to indef William M. Connolley (talk) 19:11, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

DonaldDuck (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

The reason for the block is 3RR in Tsarist autocracy article. 1. I did not break 3RR rule in this article. 2. I did not avoid discussion and dispute resolution, raising my concerns on this article at Talk:Tsarist_autocracy. 3. My edits in this article were supported by User:Altenmann. 4. User:Piotrus, who made about 10 reverts in this article over the same time was not even warned for edit warring, while I was blocked indefinitely.DonaldDuck (talk) 01:37, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Decline reason:

Given your block log, how are we to know that your pattern of edit warring won't simply continue if you're unblocked? slakr 03:43, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

• Comment. I'm not sure I like the idea of someone using the edit name "Donald Duck" unless that is their real name, and I would not encourage them to attempt to violate a block, but I also think that indef blocks for someone who is clearly making good faith edits, but just doesn't get a clue what 3RR is about needs a different approach than just "go away". Just my 2 cents worth. Note to DonaldDuck - read the appeal guide carefully. WP Admins have a tough job to do - stopping millions of bad edits, and they tend to take the easy way out instead of seeking a solution. Don't make it easy for them by ignoring them. 3RR is there for a reason. If you have a disagreement about content, use mediation, not edit warring. It works better. Apteva (talk) 13:20, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

DonaldDuck (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I have explained my reasons for unblock under the unblock template.

Decline reason:

My response is below your explanation. Mangojuice 02:20, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

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The reason for my block was 3RR in Tsarist autocracy article.

1. In the first paragraph Tsarist autocracy, you may see what was this edit war about. There are 12(!) different variants of the article title. I was trying to remove just one of them, "Russian despotism", which was in my opinion non-NPOV, and raised considerable controversy

2. I did not make more then 3 reverts in 24h in this article. The WP:3RR does not apply to me directly.

3. I did not avoid dispute resolution, and discussed article content with other editors on Talk:Tsarist_autocracy page.

4. My edits in this article were supported by User:Altenmann. and User:PasswordUsername

5. While I was blocked indefinitely, the other participant of the edit war User:Piotrus, who made about 10 reverts in the same article, was not even warned. This is not impartial.

6. As for my block history, it is 3 short-term blocks in 3 years of editing (I have started editing in 2006). I hope this is not too much and does not justify indefinite block. I promise to avoid edit wars and content disputes in future.DonaldDuck (talk) 08:25, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Responses. 1, 4 are irrelevant. The merits of your edits are not the question here, it's your edit warring. 2. Unimportant. Yes, the blocking admin cited 3RR; I haven't even checked carefully to see if your claim is true, but regardless you were clearly edit warring over the course of several days. 3. Talk page participation means little when it is not accompanied by honest engagement, that is, ceasing reverts while the matter is under discussion. 5. Piotrus' behavior isn't relevant to your block. I don't see his participation being anywhere equivalent to yours either, and claiming that the block is "not impartial" just doesn't follow. 6. Your promise rings hollow in light of your behavior, and your several blocks, including one at this same article this same year for a week with a final warning to cease edit warring, have apparently not led to you understanding the problem with your behavior. I have no objection in principle to a second chance if you can truly understand the problem with your editing to this point, but that hasn't happened yet. Mangojuice 02:20, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

2. Specific Misplaced Pages rules and policies such as WP:3RR are unimportant? Then why does Misplaced Pages have any rules at all? Blocking admin cited 3RR as a reason for my block while I did not break 3RR. This is not fair in my opinion. Recommended duration of block for WP:3RR is less than 24 hours, while I was blocked indefinitely. Should admins follow any wiki guidelines or just some inner feeling?

5. Piotrus is very experienced edit warrior (I think this can be proven by 2 arbitration requests Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Piotrus Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Piotrus_2#Piotrus_admonished). He doesn't make too much reverts himself, avoids breaking 3RR, uses support from friendly editors, camouflages reverts by other minor edits. He often WP:OWN articles and reverts any edits differing from his own version. In Tsarist autocracy he reverted ( ) edits by other editors after I was blocked. I'm writing this not to blame Pioutrus, but to show that I was not the only person behind the edit war.DonaldDuck (talk) 05:55, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

WP:LAWYERing will not get you anywhere, and again, this is not about Piotrus, and no one is about to block him for something he did over 2 weeks ago even if he deserved it. Read WP:GAB -- you aren't going to get anywhere on the grounds that your block is unfair on some kind of technicality, when what you did was disruptive and blockable. Mangojuice 13:21, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Lets start again. Are you interested in being unblocked? William M. Connolley (talk) 07:56, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes.DonaldDuck (talk) 09:29, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

OK. You were blocked for edit warring. Before we go any further you have to accept that and agree to avoid such behaviour in future William M. Connolley (talk) 17:16, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes. I was edit warring in Tsarist autocracy and several other articles. I agree not to take part in edit wars in future. I promise to use talkpages and discuss any significant changes in the articles on controversial topics. I promise not to make more then 1 revert in 24h in any article for a year. I will mark any of my reverts as such.DonaldDuck (talk) 00:37, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Rather than a very specific promise to do such and such, do you recognize, 1) that Misplaced Pages is imperfect, and will never be perfect, and 2) that edit warring only disrupts it, and does not fix it - only mediation and other consensus building processes are permissible means of conflict resolution? Apteva (talk) 03:06, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

I recognize it, nothing is perfect and edit warring is harmful.DonaldDuck (talk) 15:44, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Was not that you? Biophys (talk) 18:24, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Why are you asking this?. No.DonaldDuck (talk) 00:49, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

I asked for two reasons. First, you both edited the same article, one after another and you both removed information about Jewish victims . Second, this user started editing soon after your block. I hope that William M. Connolley will look at your diff above (Why are you asking this?) and decide if that was a good argument to unblock you.Biophys (talk) 01:39, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

.DonaldDuck (talk) 01:57, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Apologies for the delay. I'm now ready to consider unblocking you. You first need to answer Biophys's question, above William M. Connolley (talk) 18:28, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Unblocked

You're unblocked. This is conditional on you following WP:1RR for the foreseeable future. I'm doing this mainly to stop you getting tempted into edit wars. On 1RR, you automatically lose, so you're obliged to talk, or better still do some of the vast array of non-controversial things that wiki needs done William M. Connolley (talk) 08:27, 1 June 2009 (UTC)