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The Internet, where intelligence goes to die:

nazi censorship police states are wrong, please refrain from defacing legitmate concernskthnx! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.27.18.25 (talk • contribs) 18:18, 17 April 2007 PDT.

Your edits will continue to be reverted by me or other editors if they do not contribute constructively to the discussion. Conspiracy theories involving Karl Rove and the Virginia Tech shooting are not constructive. Thank you. --Dynaflow 01:21, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

this man is a nazi apologist-----^—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.27.18.25 (talk • contribs) 18:29, 17 April 2007 PDT.

Man, I love Godwin's law. This tedious conversation is over already. --Dynaflow 01:33, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

CalState Template

Hello Dynaflow! I'm impressed that most of the eye candy I've found on Misplaced Pages comes from you. Great Work! I wanted to know your opinion of this new design for the template of the CSU system:

As you can see it's derived from the University of California template:

v t e The University of California Regents of the University of California
	Campuses	BerkeleyTemplate:·wDavisTemplate:·wHastingsTemplate:·wIrvineTemplate:·wLos AngelesTemplate:·wMercedTemplate:·wRiversideTemplate:·wSan DiegoTemplate:·wSan FranciscoTemplate:·wSanta BarbaraTemplate:·wSanta Cruz
	Hospitals	UC Davis Medical CenterTemplate:·wUC Irvine Medical CenterTemplate:·wUCLA Medical CenterTemplate:·wUCSD Medical CenterTemplate:·wUCSF Medical Center
	Research	Lawrence Berkeley National LaboratoryTemplate:·wLawrence Livermore National LaboratoryTemplate:·wLos Alamos National Laboratory W. M. Keck ObservatoryTemplate:·wJames Lick Observatory

I'm hoping to get some feedback from you.--Dabackgammonator (talk) 16:56, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

While it's sad to see the previous CSU navbox go the way of the dinosaurs (I've always thought it was my neatest design), your replacement looks quite good. I would double-check the public-domain status of the CSU seal, though. I was uncomfortable using an actively trademarked seal in the UC template, even if it was technically in the public domain (this conversation is a must-read to get abreast of the arguments you might face in using the CSU seal). However, the UC seal eventually prevailed because Tiffany designed the thing in 1910, making the seal copyright-free, if not trademark-free. I'm not so sure about the CSU seal's status, though; the design elements it uses bespeak more the 1950s than the 1850s.

I would avoid using the seal and use something completely and clearly in the public domain (WP:FUC has a tendency to move around in unpredictable ways). As an example, here's my previous, preferred version of the UC template, using an unambiguously public-domain image (ignore the old code; it distorts some of the text now). --Dynaflow babble 20:31, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

I have taken the liberty of changing the template boxes' colours. UC Berkeley's official colours are Yale Blue and Golden Yellow, whilst the UC system's colours are the ones that were previously used as UC Berkeley's.WorldAtlas (talk) 01:15, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

See my responses on your Talk page and on the respective templates' Talk pages. --Dynaflow babble 08:17, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Cal Poly and Cal Poly Pomona

I posted a message reagarding the intro to the CPP article on the talk page; I think we can reach an agreement here. Let me know what you think. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.202.196.168 (talk) 00:16, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

See the article Talk page. --Dynaflow babble 00:19, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

CVU's darkest day

Hi, i saw your post on Twinkle and Huggle being down and your link to diff about it being the darkest day. Can you bring me up to speed on what happened back on that day in May of 07? I wasn't active back then, what happened? Was a vandal bot operating or something? Fill me in ;) Monster Under Your Bed 04:00, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

In all probability, the CVU has seen even darker days than that, but it was pretty dark nonetheless. That was another day when Twinkle broke down completely, and unlike this time, vandalism was hot and heavy all the way through. That diff just sticks with me as one of Misplaced Pages's funnier moments because of the note of sheer panic in Flubeca's "voice" when he changed the DEFCON to 1. --Dynaflow babble 05:52, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Census information

Spicoli asked the same question, so I'm giving you the exact same response as I gave him.

I'm sorry if I weren't clear: the standard on WP:USCITY only wants Census Bureau data: "US Census numbers only" is given for population in intro and in the demographics section. I'm not complaining about the use of sourced Census Bureau estimates (on Oakland, I used a Census Bureau estimate from 2006), but about local estimates and unsourced claims of Census Bureau estimates. Nyttend (talk) 12:04, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

I believe that I've seen a link for 2007 Census Bureau estimates (they should be released by now, as the 2006 estimates were released in early 2007), but I don't know where to find them. Acntx has worked a lot with geography, especially metropolitan areas, for which population estimates are highly important, so I've asked Acntx for help with this. Hopefully we can you even more up-to-date Census data. Nyttend (talk) 12:20, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

By the way, Orlady left the following comment on my talk page, which is more a reply to you than to me:

IMO, Nyttend's action was correct in part. An unsourced census estimate from 2007 should not have replaced the count from 2000. However, the estimate belongs in the article in addition to the actual count -- with a source. This general topic was discussed recently at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Cities/Guideline#Including non-Census demographic data. --Orlady (talk) 12:49, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Nyttend (talk) 13:31, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Posted my response at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Cities/Guideline#Including non-Census demographic data. --Dynaflow babble 22:34, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject California State University Collaboration for November 2008

--Dabackgammonator (talk) 23:37, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:UPenn seal.png)

Thanks for uploading Image:UPenn seal.png. The media description page currently specifies that it is non-free and may only be used on Misplaced Pages under a claim of fair use. However, it is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Misplaced Pages. If the media was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that media for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Misplaced Pages (see our policy for non-free media).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Misplaced Pages page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that all non-free media not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. BJBot (talk) 05:50, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Off with its head. --Dynaflow babble 05:55, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:Martinautoerotic2.gif)

Thanks for uploading Image:Martinautoerotic2.gif. The media description page currently specifies that it is non-free and may only be used on Misplaced Pages under a claim of fair use. However, it is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Misplaced Pages. If the media was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that media for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Misplaced Pages (see our policy for non-free media).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Misplaced Pages page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that all non-free media not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. BJBot (talk) 05:28, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Again, off with its head. --Dynaflow babble 05:43, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

UCLA

I have some free time, so I thought I would fix the links to Los Angeles (at least the links in templates). Thanks for pointing out that error, I think I fixed it. TJ Spyke 20:32, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Humans Are Worth Saving

Even from Galactus. 24.28.70.129 (talk) 02:32, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism vs. helpful edits at UCLA

Hi. I'm going to have to disagree strongly with this reversion and and the associated {{uw-vand1}} warning you gave to the anonymous editor who made the edit you reverted. Not only is that edit not the kind of vandalism for which one would use Twinkle's "rollback (VANDAL)" button, but seems to be, in fact, a helpful elaboration of the rather vague phrase "popular images of the Southern California lifestyle." The IP editor seems to have immediately re-added what your reversion struck, hopefully blaming technical difficulties and not realizing that his or her contribution had been labeled vandalism and summarily redacted. It would be tragic to scare away a helpful contributor on his or her first edit. I have replaced your warning on the IP's Talk page with a welcome template. If you still think this is a case of vandalism and you're seeing something in this that I'm not, please let me know your reasoning. Thanks. --Dynaflow babble 08:50, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

This very same edit has been made to the UCLA page in the past from a different IP (but likely the same editor). You're right in one sense: perhaps my level of warning was too strong. But the edit, in no way, is constructive. Adding "emphasizing freedom in a land of perpetual sunshine" is a great way to make make an already-vague-statement even more vague. It has been reverted in the past and the repetitive nature of this edit is what led me to constitute it as vandalism. Perhaps I was too harsh, but the edit should not remain on the page. The original clause should be removed or followed by a more substantive description. Sorry for the misunderstanding. —ŁittleÄlien¹² 09:53, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

New straw poll

You are a user who responded to RFC: Use of logos on sports team pages. As someone interested in the discussion a new straw poll has been laid out to see where we currently stand with regards to building a consensus. For the sake of clarity, please indicate your support or opposition (or neutrality) to each section, but leave discussion to the end of each section. — BQZip01 —  23:30, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

As a user who responded to the straw poll regarding non-free images in sports, your further input is requested with regards to the Straw poll summary and proposed guidelines on image use — BQZip01 —  00:36, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Alex Benson

Regarding this, are you talking about the same Alex Benson or a different one? --Dynaflow babble 13:12, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes, It is a differnt Alex Benson, I would like to make a page on this actor

Clopincutie xx —Preceding unsigned comment added by Clopincutie (talk • contribs) 20:18, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

I've moved your edit out of the article on the unrelated footballer and into your userspace so that you can work on the article at you leisure until you decide it's ready for prime time. You can find your article at User:Clopincutie/Alex Benson. --Dynaflow babble 20:28, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Before you really get started, you should read through two things. One is Misplaced Pages:Your first article. It will tell you how to avoid common pitfalls and generally help you learn the ropes of article-writing here. The second is Misplaced Pages:Notability (people). Misplaced Pages has guidelines on how "notable" a subject should be before the Project feels justified in having an article on it (in order to avoid becoming "what Misplaced Pages is not"). I have a feeling that, as an amateur actor, your subject's notability may be challenged by somebody at some point, so you will want to look now and decide if your subject will pass the guidelines' litmus test(s) for notability, and if you think he will, gather citable references to prove your case and build your article. If you have any questions, just drop me a line at my Talk page. Once you think the article is ready to go, you can either move the page into the mainspace yourself, or let me know and I'll do it. --Dynaflow babble 20:41, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Dutch Empire

Hi. I'm not sure why you were taking out the in-page link to the Dutch Empire article and the map of the Dutch Empire here, but I didn't think it helped the article to get rid of them, so I undid your edit. In the future, you way wish to discuss changes on the article's Talk page first. Please also leave edit summaries; it helps everyone figure out why you're doing what you're doing. Thanks. --Dynaflow babble 20:56, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

to me i already wrote on User talk:Tomeasy and told him that the dutch empire was old and suxx now i even checked the kingdom of italy italian page and seen nothing about empires italian empire so it evens with the kingdom of the netherlands —Preceding unsigned comment added by Questchest (talk • contribs) 21:16, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Things that are old are the whole point of History sections in articles. Also, the goal of the Netherlands article is to make it as complete and comprehensive as possible, given the format. That goal has nothing whatsoever to do with keeping even with the Italians. --Dynaflow babble 21:31, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Serbian soccer players

Hi there. I noticed you put up a request for the speedy deletion of Predrag Jerinic, an article authored by Zuull (talk · contribs). For some obscure reason, the consensus for quite a while has been that professional athletes and top-level amateur athletes are considered to sort of "automatically" have notability, regardless of how obscure they may actually be. As such, article stubs on pro footballers no one's ever heard of are at least as safe from deletion, due to utter non-notableness, as Pokémon characters used to be. For specifics on just how low the bar is set for athlete articles, see Misplaced Pages:Notability (people)#Athletes. --Dynaflow babble 08:52, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. I wanted to let you know that I Proded the article, not because I didn't take your advice to heart, but because I have a different understanding of the notability guidelines. As I read the article as is, it seems as though Jerinic has yet to actually play a game professionally, which means that he is not yet notable per WP:ATHLETE. Again, I could be wrong, so feel free to de-prod it if you like, but I may still take it to AFD unless I see reason otherwise. Rwiggum (/_Contrib) 14:27, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Navilyst Medical deletion

Do you have any insight on how this page can be written so it is not deleted? There are numerous companies listed on Misplaced Pages - is there a set format that should be followed or something else I'm missing? Connk (talk) 19:40, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Responded at your Talk page. --Dynaflow babble 20:11, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Before we get started, there are a couple of considerations you will want to keep in mind. If you are connected with the company you're writing about, you'll want to declare it straight out, say, on your userpage. It makes a lot of editors uneasy/annoyed/livid when they suddenly discover that another editor has an undeclared conflict of interest for the articles they're editing, and you might often find yourself directed to Misplaced Pages:Conflict of Interest. The other consideration is that, if you're writing an article on your company just so that it will have an article on Misplaced Pages, or worse yet, to advertise it, you'll very likely be running up against the Misplaced Pages:Spam content guidelines.

On to writing. You're going to want to make sure that your article's subject satisfies Misplaced Pages's notability guidelines, which are more or less the basic inclusion criteria for the encyclopedia. In the case of your subject, you're going to want to peruse Misplaced Pages:Notability (organizations and companies). If you decide that your subject would be considered wiki-notable, then just follow the advice at Misplaced Pages:Your first article, and you should be on your way to contributing helpful content. --Dynaflow babble 19:52, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

I have moved your article out of the main article space and into your user space so that you can get the article into shape at your leisure without having to worry about it being summarily deleted before you're done with it. You can find you article at User:Connk/Navilyst Medical. When you feel the article is ready for prime time, you can either move it back into article space yourself using the pagemove function, or you can drop me a line and I can do it for you. If you have any more questions, feel free to leave me a message at my Talk page. Best of luck. --Dynaflow babble 20:07, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

I have reworked the article can you take a look and let me know if it's appropriate to move into the main article space? Connk (talk) 21:05, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Just wanted to check in on the revised article - if it could be pushed into the article space. Thanks Connk (talk) 14:17, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Edain McCoy and Citation

Thank you for your correction, it was intellectually weak of me to have cited wikiepedia and it won't happen again. If I have an email from someone, do I have to host it on the internet before I can cite it?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Akari no ryu (talk • contribs)

You could try forwarding it to OTRS. --Closedmouth (talk) 12:12, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

• If you have the permission to reveal its contents, hosting it would be a good idea. That way the information is also available to other editors. You still need OTRS to confirm it's indeed the transcript of an actual email conversation (and if possible proof of who the participants are if the addresses don't make it clear) - Mgm| 12:18, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

An article from your sandbox has gone prime-time

Hi there. Another user seems to have attempted to copy and paste the content from User:Cheetah255/Sandbox/Caitlin's Way (video game) over into the mainspace, creating the new article Caitlin's Way (video game). What are your intentions for this article you were building, is it finished, etc.? Please respond at Talk:Caitlin's Way (video game). Thanks. --Dynaflow babble 00:00, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

this was NOT supposed to be an "article", only a subpage --Cheetah255 (talk) 00:33, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Resolved per Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Question on suitability for speedy deletion. --Dynaflow babble 01:51, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Question on suitability for speedy deletion continuation

Justiceiscoming (talk · contribs) actually did attribute the source of the page he or she copied over into article space (look at the bottom of the page as of the first edit). In light of that, you may want to attenuate the message you sent him or her somewhat, specifically the bit about copyright violation. Thanks. --Dynaflow babble 03:33, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm, still don't think that's enough. Misplaced Pages:SPLIT#Procedure (not the same situation, I know, but analogous) says that the acknowledgement of prior editing history should be in the edit summary. Having it in the text of the cut-'n-paste screenshot wouldn't meet that requirement. Bencherlite 08:34, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

What I was trying to do - ParadiseMissouri: Example

I was trying to follow the guidelines in "Misplaced Pages: Your First Article". I took the article for Ephairim Shay and was going to alter it for a new article for Peter 'Big Pete' McCullough. Both Shay and McCullough were notable Union soldiers in the Civil War.

I thought I was in a "sandbox" where I could work with the article and then get it "moved" when I had it finalized.

So, now, my question: where can I create a temporary article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by ParadiseMissouri (talk • contribs) 13:26, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

I have created a sandbox at User:ParadiseMissouri/Sandbox and a starter page for your subject at User:ParadiseMissouri/Sandbox/Peter McCullough. If you have any questions about how to move it into article space when you're done, just leave me a message on my Talk page. Best of luck. --Dynaflow babble 13:33, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

What I was trying to do (Mishabb)

What I am trying to do is create a portal, which has a "selected image" field feturing relevant images to the University of the Arctic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Misha bb (talk • contribs) 14:19, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

It's here, anyway: http://en.wikipedia.org/Portal:University_of_the_Arctic —Preceding unsigned comment added by Misha bb (talk • contribs) 14:28, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Philip Durbrow

Hi, Dynaflow. The reason I added the speedy delete tag to the Philip Durbrow page is because Marshallstrategy, the user who created the page, previously added a page about a company called Marshall Strategy which was deleted as being purely advertising. Creating a page about the CEO seemed like an attempt to circumvent the previous deletion. I am pretty new to these policies so I guess I feel the need to justify myself... Anyway, thanks. :) -Sketchmoose (talk) 21:26, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

I understand completely. In fact, I was mulling whether or not the article was a clear CSD case at the same time you were. I still think it qualifies for deletion, but not for speedy deletion, which is reserved for only those articles of such patent uselessness that no one (other than their authors) would seriously contest their deletion. Since there was a ray or two of hope that this article might be saved, it should be taken to AfD to get a wider consensus on whether or not to delete. --Dynaflow babble 13:31, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Robert Anthony McGill

I didn't create this, actually - I had just userfied it (moved it to his user page) the moment before you tagged it db-person. It quite often happens. Actually, I am coming to think that userfying mini-autobiographies like this, though newby-friendly, is a waste of time: I once checked back, and out of 25 I had userfied, one thanked me and went on to edit, the rest never edited again. All they wanted was a sort of Facebook to write about themselves. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 13:56, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Oh, sorry about that. I think you userified it as I was requesting deletion, and I got sucked down a redirect rabbit hole. I have TW set to send a message to the first editor of a page whenever I CSD something, so it must have inadvertently notified you then. --Dynaflow babble 13:59, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

No problem. JohnCD (talk) 14:03, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

WP:RFAR

I have raised a request for arbitration re: NatalieDee article merged with Married to the Sea See Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration-- Spastic on elastic (talk) 22:58, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

No you haven't. Your contribs as of this moment don't show you ever touching Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration. Note that arbitration is the last step in dispute resolution (I wasn't even aware that there was an actual, bona fide, earth-shaking dispute about that article). Please talk to those you disagree with first before attempting to drag everybody involved into wikicourt. I'd like to hear what you believe the crux of this dispute is. Get back to me on that. Thanks. --Dynaflow babble 23:11, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

I have just finished putting in my request for arbitration, you were just very quick to check! I have tried to discuss this matter on the articles talk page and Afd page, however no one replied to my reasoning and sources and a decision to merge was made without me and in error.Spastic on elastic (talk) 23:20, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

You should realize that this is sort of like appealing a traffic citation to the Supreme Court. The place you should go to contest the merge of the article is WP:DRV. --Dynaflow babble 23:25, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

I note that you only allowed a little under 35 hours to elapse with your message unanswered at Talk:NatalieDee before you went straight for Arbitration. Things just don't work that fast here. People are on different continents, they have real-world things to do, etc.; you can't expect instantaneous responses from everyone. Patience. --Dynaflow babble 23:32, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

I appreciate that these things take time but it wasn't the fact that no one replied, rather that the decision was rushed through by someone and the merge was made without further discussion or any discussion at all regarding my findings on the website's notability and the new sources I found. I was also unsure of what path to take as there is no dispute to resolve between users (only users ignoring users) and the article was never deleted (only merged).Spastic on elastic (talk) 23:37, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

You weren't ignored at the AfD (which was up for nearly a week); your arguments just didn't prevail. You were also not ignored at Talk:NatalieDee; you simply didn't wait for an answer. Misplaced Pages:There is no deadline. --Dynaflow babble 23:44, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Removal of Warning Tags

Thanks Dynaflow for your welcome. I would appreciate advice on a matter. I have undertaken an extensive rewrite of Jack Dann to try and present a balanced, neutral article, conforming as best as I am able, with my limited experience, to Misplaced Pages standards. The article, which was mainly derived from a marketing bio prior to my contributions, previously had been tagged for Autobiography, Neutrality and Advertisement warnings.

While there is more work to be done, better secondary sourcing for example and further development, I am hoping the work so far has elevated the article beyond the tagged issues. Who decides whether this is the case, and who can take these off? While I see how to do it technically, I am unsure of the etiquette here, and wish to do so on the basis of consensus, rather than personal judgement. Should I put up a request on the Discussion page for the article for example (assuming others are watching)? Anyway sure you get the idea of the question here. Appreciate your time on a reply.Mesmacat (talk) 03:41, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Anyone can take the tags down if they think they no longer apply, so you're more then welcome to do so. You may also want to consider joining WikiProject Science Fiction and asking the folks over there for an informal assessment. --Dynaflow babble 17:24, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Final version

As a contributor to the discussion regarding sports team logos, I am soliciting feedback as to the latest version of that guideline. Your support/opposition/feedback would be appreciated. — BQZip01 —  21:55, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Philip Harper mess

Thanks for cleaning up my Philip Harper mess! I stepped away from Wiki to consume some sukiyaki and beer. Yaki-gaijin (talk) 00:38, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Copyright question

can i copy things from here and add them to my website? if i say so and so copywrited? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jwo4 (talk • contribs) 14:59, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages article texts are copyrighted, but they are freely available for use and modification under the GNU Free Documentation License. For images, their copyright status can vary and will appear on the image pages for each individual image. For more detailed information, see Misplaced Pages:Copyrights. --Dynaflow babble 19:32, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Summa cum laude

what evidence do you have that the article is in error? ....also, i'm pretty sure it is not permitted to use wikipedia as the source for original research. --emerson7 21:24, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

It is very hard to prove a negative, especially one which is simply taken for granted. As far as I am aware, no one has undertaken to prove that no British universities use the Latin honors system, and it is possible that, upon completion of such a study, the researchers would find themselves written up in the Annals of Improbable Research. However, here's an experiment: Go to www.ox.ac.uk, go to the search box, type in "cum laude," and see if you can find any mention of it outside the CVs of people who graduated from schools in the US, Mexico, Italy, or the other countries that commonly use the Latin system. Then type "degree classification" into the search box. You will find a lot of documents like this one (look on the second page) which make no mention of anything cum laude. Also, I don't expect you'll find mention of anyone graduating with Latin honors here.

It seems pretty obvious that the author of the cited article added the parenthetical pseudo-equivalency in a misguided attempt to clarify an unfamiliar degree classification scheme for the benefit of Newsweek readers who happened to be too daft to infer that "first-class honors" means exactly what it says. Again, there's no need to perpetuate such a glaring mistake just because Newsweek printed it. --Dynaflow babble 00:45, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Speedy of Evergreen Terrace (band)

You speeedied Evergreen Terrace (band), before I got a chance to look at it. Anyway there is a category with

• At Our Worst
• Burned Alive by Time
• Losing All Hope Is Freedom
• Sincerity Is an Easy Disguise in This Business
• Wolfbiker
• Writer's Block (Evergreen Terrace album)
• plus others

Maybe they should have been merged into the article or also should be speedied. The band would appear to meet Misplaced Pages:Notability (music) #5.

Labels include Indianola Records, Indianola Record, Eulogy Recordings and Metal Blade Records.

I am not interested in working on this further. Paul foord (talk) 11:17, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Unless I was grossly mistaken (I occasionally am, but I usually catch my errors quickly), Evergreen Terrace (band) would have been so scanty on verifiable assertions of notability that it didn't even seem worthwhile to give the article a trial by fire at WP:AFD (for comparison, the articles I did feel needed to be vetted by AFD rather than summarily deleted yesterday included Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Sydney the Bowl Cut Sloth). SchuminWeb (talk · contribs), who carried out the actual deletion, seems to have agreed with me. Those peripheral album articles, however, have the kind of citations that could have easily established the notability of the subject of the band's main article. I'll propose the article for a deletion review if you'd be willing to bring the article up to the minimal WP:V and WP:N (actually WP:BAND in this case) standards once it's been undeleted. What do you say? --Dynaflow babble 11:35, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Greetings

Thanx for your invitation. I am glad to stay for correcting some articles (and my english too);)--Kefas de Merciful 00:34, 17 February 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kefas de Merciful (talk • contribs)

Hey!

Long time no see, 'ol friend. How've you been? --Amaraiel (talk) 04:51, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Oi! You beat me to it again ( Evelyn_Staton )! *laughs*--Amaraiel (talk) 05:35, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

How goes the vandal-hunting? --Dynaflow babble 05:36, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Great except Twinkle doesn't work very well in Kubuntu for some reason. Worked just fine with Ubuntu...--Amaraiel (talk) 05:45, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Make Firefox your default browser instead of Konqueror, and make sure you've got Java set up all kosher and such (see here). --Dynaflow babble 05:50, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

RE: New Start

--Amaraiel 03:10, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Hello

A warm welcome. :) - First, I was like "Uh-oh" when all of a sudden I got notified about having received a message. XD - even though I was not drunk, had not smoked a bowl and did not pass out, it seems you have already had such moments as well. Nussi (talk) 07:22, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Many. =) --Dynaflow babble 07:39, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

concerning of flag template on ezo republic

greetings, i believe you have fixed the flag of ezo republic back in the page. my apologies if you are not responsible for the recent update. but here is a reason why the flag should be removed from the template.

as you can follow the discussion in the page (at ezo republic), i raised a question for the reference of the flag. then i went to the editor for the flag, asking if it's possible to bring up a source. although the comment has been removed (but still traceable through archives), i had a reply that the flag needs to be taken off until proper reference is shown. that is the story for the removed flag.

if you are concerned of the issue, i would be happy to hear your thought on the discussion page. so it will be absolutely clear to everyone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.227.191.54 (talk) 11:00, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

My contribution to that article consisted solely of making a broken template arrangement display correctly, so I have put your question to Wikiproject Japan. See Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Japan#Vexing vexillological question re: the Republic of Ezo's flag. --Dynaflow babble 21:34, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks so much for the warm welcome and advice! I'll definitely take a look at the articles and help out some! Thanks again! ^_^ Loganator456 (talk) 17:38, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Regarding akacool.com

Would you please take another look at akacool.com? It is not an store, it is a database provides releasing information pretty much like Anime News Network. I think it meets Misplaced Pages's guidelines for external links. I would be happy to discuss it with you, please let me know what do you think. Thanks a lot! EmilyPeace (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added on 20:01, 25 February 2009 (UTC).

Regarding Spam Links

I was a little surprised to see such a strong reaction from you regarding the links posted. Three links which I personally felt were relevant do not constitute some sort of spamming excercise. In each of these cases, the wiki already makes reference to fictional and speculative items. I am happy to adjust the posting as necessary, but your reaction to these seems initially a little strong. I am sure you do have to deal with true spamming a lot, but I felt my link posts were relevant. Just learning the ropes... — Preceding unsigned comment added by TrishaTwilight (talk • contribs)

Talk:Anthony_Bennett_(English_politician)#Protection

Meh! Indeed. --Rodhullandemu 21:40, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Research (moved from subusertalkpage)

Hi—I'm doing a minor research project on wikipedia at UCSC. I wonder if I might be able to ask you about your contributions to wikipedia at some point. Thanks Dynaflow. Rodomontade (talk) 18:34, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Is it that easy to figure out your @ucsc email? I don't think it's dflow, as your user page you picked that ID based on a song? I'll continue to try to figure it out. I'll also be using my talk page as the forum to get to know some things about your experience on Misplaced Pages. Please chime in. :-) Rodomontade (talk) 20:46, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Fan Mail

Thanks for your helpful comments over on my talk page. It's very much appreciated, I'm completely lost in the backwoods of Misplaced Pages, but trying hard to do some editing anyway.--Levalley (talk) 23:03, 1 April 2009 (UTC)LeValley

Proper channels

I agree, that's why I was suggesting that WP:ANEW was the right place to deal with edit warring accusations.   Will Beback  talk  03:07, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Btw, are you sure that wasnt a violation of 1rr? Because his edits were consecutive? If it isnt a 1rr violation, I'll have to delete it from his RFC. Phoenix of9 (talk) 04:42, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Okay, let's look at this systematically. The common understanding of WP:3RR I've seen in action as a Wikipedian cultural norm varies slightly from the "letter of the law" as it's written on the 3RR policy page. Specifically, with the recognition that making major changes to an established page (per WP:BOLD) will almost invariably involve "undoing" some of the work of others, somewhat of a pass is given to initial edits in a particular burst of editing unless they are blindingly obvious undoings of the contributions immediately prior to theirs (it's also a huge pain in the ass to hunt down the origins of what an initial edit may or may not have undone). At the first edit in this series, Collect had not touched the article since 9 March and had not made a substantial change since 8 March. Meanwhile several others were editing heavily. I would consider the deck sufficiently shuffled to consider the first edit on 12 March as a start from 0.

• Collect (15:06, 12 March) Pass.
• Others Someone rewrites the intro.
• Collect Collect re-rewrites the intro; however, he does not return it to how it was when he last edited. Instead he changes it, apparently building on previous revisions. This is not reversion but evolution, the process through which articles mature during periods of heavy editing.
• Others Collect is substantially reverted.
• Collect Collect adds {{sectOR}} tags to three sections and takes out two images.
• Others Collect is completely reverted.
• Collect (15:25, 13 March) Collect partially reverts the reversion. 1RR.

This does not appear to have been a 3RR situation. --Dynaflow babble 06:06, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Ok, thx a lot. I corrected my mistake in RFC: He still violated terms of his unblock tho. Phoenix of9 (talk) 06:21, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Re: Rollback vs. good-faith edits

Thank you for the message. I just wanted to let you know that, I just Download Huggle Today Seen Here and I'm new to it. I'm trying to understand it. I been using Twinkle! for the past month. We all make mistakes and we all learn from them. I am sorry for this.--Michael (Talk) 05:52, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Wow, you been a Rollbacker for a year. > I only been a Rollbacker for 3 weeks. So as you see, I have allot to learn.--Michael (Talk) 06:35, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Don't worry. We all go off half-cocked every once in a while. (A couple months ago, I accidentally CSD'ed some poor rookie's newly-created userpage because I somehow thought it was a vanity page with no meaningful content being posted to Mainspace. Fortunately, I usually review my recent contribs periodically as I edit, and I noticed the mistake and was able to self-revert before anybody noticed.) Anyway, just try to err on the side of caution when using the built-in, official rollback. Personally, I avoid using the built-in rollback feature except when speed is of the essence (e.g., an obvious vandal is on a rampage, etc.), when Twinkle is throttled into uselessness by server lag or otherwise breaks down, or when I'm reverting my own fuckups. I've probably used rollback less than fifty times since I asked for it one night when trying to clean up someone else's mess; by comparison, the Toolserver tells me I'm coming up on my 1900th Twinkle edit. The built-in rollback is a great tool to keep in your back pocket for use in a pinch, but there really are better ways to go about reverting things. --Dynaflow babble 07:57, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Made me laugh

Hi Dynaflow. I was reading your user page just now...the irreverence made me laugh. Thought you should know. Nice "crap" you made, too. Kudos. κaτaʟaveno_C 12:20, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

=) Thanks. I'm glad someone is deriving enjoyment from the page besides me. --Dynaflow babble 06:28, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Hello from Jason

Hi, this is the guy you met at the little cookout at UCSC Family Student Housing a couple of weeks ago.

You brought Whiskey. Which is why I can't remember your name.

Anyhoo, you gave me instructions on how to contact you and that you would help me post a couple of articles. I would greatly appreciate that.

My user name here is "SBones5". Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sbones5 (talk • contribs) 20:12, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Alan Greaves

Hi - I know this is true as I was one of his student but I will dig out the newspaper for it to be true as that would be a relied source, thankyou for your message Blacklodge (talk) 10:55, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Re: Newbie name

I think that user name wil cause political case. Mikhailov Kusserow (talk) 03:41, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Good Faith v. Vandalism

Your recent comment on my talk page was not only abhorrently impersonal, but ridiculous to boot. I'm sorry, but after undoing Ddave2425's changes three times, each time qualifying them as "good faith", trying to engage him in the talk page, and Ddave's stark refusal to listen to or engage in discussion has lead me to refer to his edits as vandalism. If you disagree with that assessment, fine, but I find it wholly inappropriate to leave me a message on my talk page regarding a slight disagreement over what qualifies as vandalism is this case. It is clear to me that Ddave has made no effort to reconcile his view with that of the majority, to engage in discourse over the validity of his understanding, and simply resorts to repeatedly making the same edit over and over; this to me is overt vandalism. I also question the objectivity of someone so persistently trying to contradict FDA, manufacturer, and published findings with a single, non-conclusive, small-pool study.

If you disagree with me in the future, please message me in a personal manner without copy-and-pasting some grade school-style lecture to my talk page. DKqwerty (talk) 16:53, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

I left you a message in response to Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#false claims of vandalism (permalink). Most of my attention last night was occupied with hunting down an army of sockpuppets, and so I apologize if I didn't take the time to write you a gentler message. However, I do stand by the gist of what the message said. I understand that both you and Ddave2425 are both relatively new to the encyclopedia, but it must be understood that accusations of vandalism should never be tossed around lightly. When you revert a change in a content dispute with an edit summary like this, you are essentially equating someone's helpful (if wrongheaded and overly-contentious) attempt to improve the encyclopedia with a bored middle school kid's replacement of the article on Abraham Lincoln with the word "poop" in a gigantic font.
Edit warring in general is considered bad form (please read Misplaced Pages:Edit war; Ddave2425 has already been warned), but when it's coupled with accusations of vandalism, it starts to look really, really bad. Even when someone is being ridiculously truculent about what they believe to be right, it is still incumbent upon you to assume good faith and refrain from making accusations of bad-faith editing (with the occasional exception of obviously deranged editors who actually seem to believe the crazy jabberings they add to the encyclopedia, e.g., this guy). In any case, please just try to be civil to even the difficult people you may run into here; there are a hell of a lot of them. You may enjoy this essay: Misplaced Pages:No angry mastodons. Good luck in sorting out your dispute, and happy editing. --Dynaflow babble 01:18, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Blah blah blah. Sockpuppets or not, I'm sure I would have received the same templated, impersonal, robotic message regardless. Don't try and make it sound like you have super-important things to do, so important that you can't take 180 second to write me a response. While you're off fighting one of the major problems with the Internet – anonymity – you're also perpetrating the other – impersonality. DKqwerty (talk) 16:19, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

I am sorry that you find it hard not to assume the worst in our attempts to give guidance (which we genuinely intend to be helpful), but trying to match what you perceive as our impersonalism with what I perceive as dismissive derision really doesn't help anyone. To answer your riposte to Literaturegeek at your Talk page, you were not "being welcomed ... like some fucking child." You were being asked to sign your posts on Talk pages so other editors can tell who made them -- an eminently reasonable request. The "Welcome to Misplaced Pages" bit can be taken as a welcome if one likes, but mostly it just offers a face-saving "out" for someone without much evidence of communication on his or her Talk page who might have made an error somewhere. "Oh yeah, sure. Sorry, I'm new. Yeah." // "Oh, that's okay. Glad to have you aboard, etc."
As for my leavings: yes, I did use a template for part of it. However, I did take the time to "personalize" it to let you know exactly why I contacted you (compare the raw template {{Uw-wrongsummary}} with my message above. It took less than 180 seconds to type the addendum, but I still made the attempt to let you know precisely what was up nonetheless. Give us some credit here. --Dynaflow babble 08:27, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Texas Pete

Dynaflow,

I am the marketing account executive that is responsible for the Texas Pete page, please do not delete information that I add during the next few weeks. Your help would be apprectiated as we do make changes, but the content posted must stay.

Thank you,

Ryan —Preceding unsigned comment added by Helmstetler (talk • contribs) 20:54, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi. You should be aware that there is no "ownership" of articles on Misplaced Pages (see Misplaced Pages:Ownership of articles). Any contribution by any user can be modified or redacted by any other user as long as they are in line with Misplaced Pages's community standards. The reason I removed the text in question was because it read like overtly promotional marketing copy, which does not have an appropriate tone for an encyclopedia (see Misplaced Pages:Guide to writing better articles for ideas on how the article might be better improved). We welcome your help in fleshing out the article; however, you should keep in mind that editors with a potential conflict of interest may be subject to a higher degree of scrutiny. Please take a look at Misplaced Pages:Conflict of Interest#Editors who may have a conflict of interest for advice on how you may want to proceed, and feel free to contact me if you have any questions. Thanks. --Dynaflow babble 23:37, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

RockwickCapital scam

It's definitely a scam. See my comments at Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Lifnlsdlsdnf. The sock farm has been editing biographies of notable billionaires to make it appear that they're behind "Rockwick Capital". That's a major WP:BLP violation (also felony fraud) and I've undone all those edits. I think we have most of the scam out of Misplaced Pages now, but there's probably something we haven't found yet. --John Nagle (talk) 02:09, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Did some more cleanup; I think all the Rockwick stuff is now gone.

The whole Proof of funds / "standby letter of credit" industry seems to be a scam. I found a cite in FBI Law Enforcement Bulletin and quoted it in the Misplaced Pages article. The Google search results for "proof of funds" are just hysterical. Million Dollar Funding says they will not only provide a billion dollars in (fake?) funding in 48 hours, but will throw in a trip to Vegas and $500 spending money. They don't have a street address and the contact is a Gmail address. AltaDenver at least has a street address, which can be seen in Google Street View. They need to clean out their garage. Confirmed Funds shows a striking office building on their contact page, but Google shows a small tract house at their address. Two other firms have addresses at Mail Boxes Etc. I have yet to find a "proof of funds" service with anything like a legitimate real-world office. --John Nagle (talk) 20:16, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Hey

Go ahead and try to block me. Come on, I dare you. Alertedtrends (talk) 18:42, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

ThankSpam

My RfA Thank you for participating in my "RecFA", which passed with a final tally of 153/39/22. There were issues raised regarding my adminship that I intend to cogitate upon, but I am grateful for the very many supportive comments I received and for the efforts of certain editors (Ceoil, Noroton and Lar especially) in responding to some issues. I wish to note how humbled I was when I read Buster7's support comment, although a fair majority gave me great pleasure. I would also note those whose opposes or neutral were based in process concerns and who otherwise commented kindly in regard to my record. I recognise that the process itself was unusual, and the format was generally considered questionable - and I accept that I was mistaken in my perception of how it would be received - but I am particularly grateful for those whose opposes and neutrals were based in perceptions of how I was not performing to the standards expected of an administrator. As much as the support I received, those comments are hopefully going to allow me to be a better contributor to the project. Thank you. Very much. LessHeard vanU (talk) 18:02, 24 May 2009 (UTC) ~~~~~

76.117.247.55 (talk) 17:46, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

School of the Holy Child, Angeles, Inc.

Hi, I saw you recently nominated School of the Holy Child, Angeles, Inc. for deletion under G11, and then also nommed the redirect under the same criteria. But the criteria you should have used is G8 (a page which is dependent on a page which doesn't exist, has been deleted, or is currently nominated for speedy deletion). Also, you probably don't need to tag redirects as admins should check for those when deleting. Keep up your patrolling :) - Kingpin (talk) 07:40, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

This seems to have been a case of simultaneous convergence of multiple hungry editors upon a single piece of tasty spam. The article was a bona-fide G11 case when I hit the Twinkle CSD button, but some time in the handful of seconds between when the process was initiated and when it finished, Porturology pressed "Save page" on his/her computer to finish turning the "article" into a redirect (funny). Twinkle seems to have not been perturbed by the edit conflict that would have thrown; I wonder if that's a bug or a feature. --Dynaflow babble 07:54, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Okay, sorry I didn't spot that before. About Twinkle, I always have peeps editing article right after me, or warning user who pages I tag because Twinkle tried to tag at the same time, not a major problem, but should be easy enough to fix if someone gets around to it - Kingpin (talk) 07:57, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Whilst

The word "whilst" isn't a part of an "international variety of English" (whatever that means); it is archaic and most manuals of style specifically proscribe its use. I am going to change your edit back now, and I hope that in the future you learn the difference between terms appropriate for an encyclopedia and colloquialisms. Whilstdestroyer (talk) 08:18, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

"Whilst" as a conjunction is acceptable usage in British English, and as long as the usage remains acceptable in that (major) dialect, it should not be arbitrarily "corrected" to the standard of another variety of English (as an American, I cringe at it too every time I chance to read The Economist). On the shiny-happy-public-relations level, the reason we say we make sure to respect each other's national varieties of English has to do with mutual respect and fellowship and whatnot. However, the very pragmatic real reason we're so anal about dialect-switching is that it can lead very quickly down a rather slick slope. Can you image the edit-wars and drama that would result if we allowed editors to debate the relative merits of "curb" versus "kerb" or "aeroplane" versus "airplane?" I don't even want to consider what would happen if we opened up, as a legitimate subject for debate, whether periods/full-stops belong inside or outside quotation marks. Please understand, giving each other's regional linguistic eccentricities a pass holds back much more serious problems than the occasional annoyance of running across an archaic -- to us -- word usage.
I will revert your reversion and ask you to reconsider your position. If you are still trenchantly set on eliminating "whilst" from Misplaced Pages, I will not re-revert if you undo me on this change. You should be forewarned, though, that what you seem intent on doing, judging by your username, will run up against a long-established and well-reasoned consensus at the Project, and your mission will likely face insurmountable difficulties as a result. Happy editing. --Dynaflow babble 08:51, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Formal Mediation for Sports Logos

As a contributor to Wikipedia_talk:Non-free_content/RFC_on_use_of_sports_team_logos, you have been included in a request for formal mediation regarding the subject at Misplaced Pages:Requests for mediation/Use of Sports Logos. With your input and agreement to work through mediation, it is hoped we can achieve a lasting solution. --Hammersoft (talk) 13:39, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Re: Manual of Style

Actually, the conversion to trad. characters + quotation marks was an accident.

The fault lies with my Firefox plugin, Tong Wen Tang (which you may have heard of). It automatically converts a page's contents from simplified into traditional Chinese. What probably happened was all the text in the text box got converted as well when I got to the edit page.

My intention was to add a wiki-link for Hong Kong -- you'll see that, in the article's first paragraph, a link was added for Macau but not Hong Kong, and this was fixed in my edit. It was such a small edit that I didn't bother to preview it or to log in and leave an edit summary.

142.151.187.35 (talk) 19:17, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Ah, okay; that's cool, then. Thanks for letting me know what was up. I usually recommend using preview for all edits, but to tell you the truth, the changes were subtle enough -- and far enough away from your intended edit -- that you probably wouldn't have been able to notice the weird, unintended changes without looking carefully at the diff afterwards. Anyway, thank you very much for the helpful edit. Have you considered getting a username? --Dynaflow babble 01:59, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Re: User:Razorweiner

Re your message: It was the persistent additions to Edward Low that prompted the block. It has been going on since at least February. These two edits also compare to 24.119.241.43 (talk · contribs), one of the IPs that has been trying to add in the Edward Low thing. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 16:56, 10 June 2009 (UTC)