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Hello. You may wish to take a look at some of the material, and sources referenced, at the new article '']''. Cheers, ''']''' (]) 02:49, 11 June 2009 (UTC) Hello. You may wish to take a look at some of the material, and sources referenced, at the new article '']''. Cheers, ''']''' (]) 02:49, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

: JoshuaZ, Cirt is a damn good article creator. Perhaps you'd invite them to work on the BLP you have in userspace. ] <sup>]</sup> 03:15, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

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Kip Kinkel

Hello Joshua Z, this is Marksdaman. The reason I redirected Kip Kinkel to Thurston High School shooting was because the article on the shooting gives information on the shooting and the background of Kip Kinkel, I just didn't think you'd need two pages about the shooting. Thats why I think we should leave the Kip Kinkel article redirect to the Thurston High School shooting. Thank you, and please respond Marksdaman My talk 19:36, 17 March 2009

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Happy Easter!

On behalf of the Kindness campaign, I just wanted to wish my fellow Wikipedians a Happy Easter! Sincerely, --A Nobody 06:06, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

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JoshuaZ-

My error - I thought you added the svcchapel source - I meant to remove it, as there are two issues with it:

1) It is a self-published source (which does not comply with WP:V) 2) It was a dead (404) link.--Lyonscc (talk) 03:19, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

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AFD Re-opened

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I don't believe Misplaced Pages takes the BLP issue seriously at all. It creates a policy, then refuses to enforce it with biographies of anyone who has ever attracted the fleeting attention of the press. A policy that is never enforced is not a policy that is respected. While this article is probably not the breaking point, the time will come when this refusal to consider the human dignity of the people we write about will bite Misplaced Pages on the arse and deservedly so. It is the one great blemish on an otherwise worthy project.

As your statement "someone covered in international news and continuing to get coverage isn't going to be harmed by a Misplaced Pages article" is just plain wrong. Newspaper coverage is ephemeral and fleeting, Misplaced Pages is supposed to be for posterity. Our actions here continue to harm the subject over and above the media coverage. The idea that the media have given her a good kicking, so our further little kick won't hurt is, to me, morally indefensible.

We have now enshrined one young girl's misfortune and her attempts to avoid an awful fate in a permanent, "encyclopedic" record and in the effort to keep this article we have likened the subject to a serial killer and to drug smugglers. A triumph for Misplaced Pages indeed! -- Mattinbgn\ 23:43, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

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AfD

Please see: Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Chuck Missler (4th nomination). Thanks. Steve Dufour (talk) 19:00, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

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Sports statistics

Dear JoshuaZ, I appreciate that you may not deem the sports articles especially important (I'm not sure they're especially important); however, I've noticed that they're more prone to vandalism (people changing the stats to false ones in support of their team) than most. Since you're an admin, I have a request: can we restrict editing to such pages to signed-in users? It's incredibly tedious correcting such information, really.

Thanks,

--Leon (talk) 08:32, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

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A.E. Wilder-Smith

listen i dont need the quotes okay but the rest will stay or be put back on continually —Preceding unsigned comment added by Godlover32795 (talk • contribs) 19:42, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

RFA Thanks

RfA thanks

Thank you for participating in my RfA, which succeeded with 56 in support, 12 in opposition and 3 neutral votes. I am truly honored by the trust that the community has placed in me. Whether you supported me, opposed me, or if you only posted questions or commented om my RfA, I thank you for your input and I will be looking at the reasons that people opposed me so I can improve in those areas :). If you ever need anything please feel free to ask me and I would be happy to help you :). All the Best, Mifter (talk)

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Article userfied per request

See User:JoshuaZ/David Boothroyd. Given the sensitive nature of this, you and any interested editors have 1 week to alleviate the community concenrns over WP:BLP problems. I will run an MFD in about a week to judge the community's pulse over whether or not the problems have been fixed. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 19:19, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Check my message at User talk:JoshuaZ/David Boothroyd. I suggest you get some outside opinions before moving this to article space to ensure that it is in compliance with WP:BLP. Not that I have doubts about you, but this is an important issue, and the topic is prone to drama. Better safe than sorry. Jehochman 19:48, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

JZ, what's your connection to Boothroyd? It looks like the "anon" that originally created the article started it in your userspace. And now it's back in your userspace after admins rushed to delete the article when the controversy hit. What's going on? It seems like a sordid web of some sort. I don't see why we can't go back to having an article with a couple sentences in it about the latest incident. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:11, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

It wasn't in my userspace originally. I'm not sure why it looks that way. Moves can sometimes do odd things to title behavior. And since some difs have been selectively deleted that can help make things look even stranger. If you do think there should be an article, the most helpful thing you can do is to help expand the draft in my userspace and help track down reliably sourced content that is not about the current controversy. JoshuaZ (talk) 00:17, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Weird. So this is the first time you've had it in your userspace? As far as working on the article, I think it should be restored and two sentences added about the latest issues. If someone wants to expand it or improve the sourcing, good on them. I'm not that interested except in so far as I think the attempt at censorship and a cover up is obscene, especially given the circumstances that caused this latest incident. That those attempting the whitewash are many of our high power editors including Arbcoms and Admins is particularly troubling. I will be interested in their explanations if and when their actions compound the bad news and become a focus of media attention. It's enough already with the subterfuge. We don't need to add to the indignity of this black eye caused by the abuse of our policies by a trusted member of our community. Cheers. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:37, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm not seeing a coverup here although I can understand why it looks like that. JoshuaZ (talk) 02:52, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
So it's just a coincidence that when the subject of one the many Misplaced Pages articles on marginally notable editors receives very substantial news coverage because of a controversy they suddenly become non-notable and must be speedy deleted right away? ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:31, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
No. It does mean that there are more eyes on it so when the person requests deletion they are more likely to be listened to. This is not the only example of this. There was an example a while back, I can't remember which article, where the article was written before some event occurred and the person was of questionable notability then. They then hit the news for doing something stupid and the article became mainly about that and then was AfDed under BLP1E grounds. That's partially what may be happening here. JoshuaZ (talk) 03:34, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Well maybe a memo needs to go out that if we're hosting an article on any editor of marginal notability, when they receive substantial coverage for some impropriety or controversy, that will not be a time to process courtesy deletions. And the whole claim that he tried to delete it in 2005 is a bit bogus anyway. He nommed his own article (created by an anon in London...) saying he wasn't sure he was notable enough, and I didn't see any kind of objection when his buddies stepped up to tell him how modest and notable he is after all. Only now when the shit hits the fan does he want it deleted? The whole thing stinks and I'm sorry to see even a few editors I think are generally okay side with that kind of censorship that compounds the problems of COI and abuse that created the mess in the first place. If Jehochman or anyone else is adamant about deleting this kind of article there's a whole list of Misplaced Pages editors with articles so they should start there instead of the ones that are actually in the news. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:04, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Boothroyd

Thanks for the invitation, but I do not intend to touch the Boothroyd article itself (in any location) with a ten foot pole until someone does something about the threats Jehochman has made toward me. TAway (talk) 05:06, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Some shameless thankspam!

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Hello. You may wish to take a look at some of the material, and sources referenced, at the new article Politico's Guide to the History of British Political Parties. Cheers, Cirt (talk) 02:49, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

JoshuaZ, Cirt is a damn good article creator. Perhaps you'd invite them to work on the BLP you have in userspace. Jehochman 03:15, 11 June 2009 (UTC)