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Current stance

Please note that Nick has stated openly on the news that the holocaust did happen and that there was "no doubt" of that. His original comments may well have been taken out of context somewhat anyway. Also, it is not islamophobia to suggest that there is a connection between sections of the community and hard drugs. There is evidence of that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.193.81.249 (talk) 17:24, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

The marticle makes it clear that he claims to have changed his stance. As to the drugs issue. Mr Griffin said that "You can't possibly separate the hard drugs trade from the question of Islam and particularly Pakistani immigration". We had drugs issues in the country long before Islamic migration. this is an attmempt to link an ethnic group specificaly and directly with the drugs trade.]

I have added a {{fact}} tag to the quote This party has finally cast off the leg iron of anti-Semitism and not a moment too soon because I was unable to find a source for it. However, I did find this same quote here on The Kvetcher, a site highly unlikely to be sympathetic to anti-semitism, and which claims that ...antisemitism isn’t the BNP’s focus, so it would seem the quote is legitimate. We just need a source for it. --Unconventional (talk) 16:01, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

I believe that the Jewish Chronicle considers them to be vehement supporters of Israel, who have a reord, especially in Gaza, which the BNP evidently envy. Perhaps the Board of Deputies should consider this and its implications.--Streona (talk) 10:00, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm afraid I'm about to show my ignorance. The Jewish Chronicle considers whom to be vehement supporters of Israel? A record...the BNP evidently envy why? The Board of Deputies of what organization should consider this and its implications for what? Is the relevance to the putative Griffin quote needing sourcing, or the reliability of The Kvetcher, or are you just making a general comment? Sorry to be so dense. --Unconventional (talk) 20:46, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

• To clarify some points for Unconventional: That's the Board of Deputies of British Jews, the main representative body of Jews in Britain. Kvetcher is not reliable; it's a blog site. Emeraude (talk) 11:12, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

The source for the quote is ambiguous. The same quote appears in the BNP article and is sourced to here. However, this shows the wording to actually be "The BNP has moved on in recent years, casting off the leg-irons of conspiracy theories and the thinly veiled anti-Semitism which has held this party back for two decades." It is not directly attributed to Griffin, but to the 'BNP news team'. So we are now in a situation where there is no evidence for Griffin having said anything of the sort. Emeraude (talk) 11:12, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Sounds to me like it's too unreliable to keep 144.32.126.16 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 23:27, 25 April 2009 (UTC).

Convictions

{{editsemiprotected}} Can someone add info about his criminal convictions to this as it's locked? -- Anonymous guy

You'll need to be much more specific about what you want adding. You'll also need to cite source(s) to verify it. Cheers, Martin 16:50, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Religion

I understand that he regards himself Christian but what denomination does he belong to? Anglican? Catholic? etc. Please add to article. Apex156 (talk) 13:16, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Some cursory googling yielded , which states that International Third Positing was a "fanatically Catholic fascist group", which might suggest he's Catholic. However, I wouldn't consider an anti-BNP site to be the best source of information on the matter, not to mention that a lot of knee-jerk lefty types use "Catholic" and "Christian" interchangeably, e.g. referring to Fred Phelps as a "priest". Wormwoodpoppies (talk) 22:06, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Actually, even if ITP was a "fanatically Catholic fascist group",, it does not suggest Griffin was a Catholic. Griffin is not a religious figure nor is he known for his religion, so is any of this really important.Emeraude (talk) 17:07, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

In a recent Sky News interview with Adam Boulton he talked about religion at length, he is also the founder of the Christian Council of Britain. Based on that I would say it is an important issue and should be covered by the article to a greater extent than it is at present. Apex156 (talk) 12:05, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Music

Nick Griffin's musical efforts should be mentioned. http://www.greatwhiterecords.com/reviews_westwind.htm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8071467.stm http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2007/oct/20/popandrock.race93.96.148.42 (talk) 02:14, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Which Folk Community does he belong to?

According to the BNP constitution he is a member of one of the following folk communities. Do we know which one? i) The Anglo-Saxon Folk Community; ii) The Celtic Scottish Folk Community; iii) The Scots-Northern Irish Folk Community; iv) The Celtic Welsh Folk Community; v) The Celtic Irish Folk Community; vi) The Celtic Cornish Folk Community; vii) The Anglo-Saxon-Celtic Folk Community; viii) The Celtic-Norse Folk Community; ix) The Anglo-Saxon-Norse Folk Community; x) The Anglo-Saxon-Indigenous European Folk Community; xi) Members of these ethnic groups who reside either within or outside Europe but ethnically derive from them93.96.148.42 (talk) 04:21, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

MEP

Please fix link: "He was elected as a member of the European Parliament for North West England in the ]" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.245.224.131 (talk) 08:42, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

left eye

{{editsemiprotected}} I read on another website that Griffin had one eye. I came to wikipedia to check which it was missing but the entry only confirmed the fact, not which eye. The source given for the fact, the Telegraph newspaper, states it's the left eye. I suggest updating the entry to save people having to visit a second site to get the extra information. Cheers.

 Done. Jolly Ω Janner 15:16, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Quotes which seem to show Griffin's ultimate aims

In April 2000, Griffin addressed the American Friends of the BNP - a fundraising group. Mr Griffin said: “The BNP isn't about selling out its ideas, which are your ideas too, but we are determined to sell them. And that means basically to use saleable words — freedom, security, identity, democracy.

“Perhaps one day, by being rather more subtle, we’ve got ourselves in a position where we control the British broadcasting media, then perhaps one day the British people might change their mind and say ‘yes, every last one must go’. Perhaps they will one day. But if you hold that out as your sole aim to start with, you’re going to get absolutely nowhere. So instead of talking about racial purity, we talk about identity.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6481475.ece

I'm definitely not neutral when it comes to Griffin, so would anyone like to comment? 92.234.8.173 (talk) 04:49, 12 June 2009 (UTC) Josh

"...if I was in power I personally would immediately enforce anti-miscegenation laws with a mandatory death penalty for the non-white partner if a mixed-race relationship continued after the passing of the law (mixed couples would be given a short time in which to separate), after having repealed the Race Relations Acts, the Human Rights Act 1998 and withdrawing membership from the European Union and the Council of Europe. Primarily, I would do this to prevent genocide.--AgglutinativeSerfdom (talk) 23:13, 11 June 2009 (UTC) " Is a quote from the BNP talk page and I think says it all. The contributor admits to voting & supporting the BNP. This is it in a nutshell. --Streona (talk) 13:08, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

This page is now on my radar, I'll be doing what I can to remove any elements of bias. As objectionable as Mr Griffin's views may be to some (including myself), he is particularly notable and his entry deserves to be well-written. Parrot of Doom (talk) 12:15, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Is user AgglutinativeSerfdom Mr Griffin if not then his views are not relevant.]

no source

I can't find a reliable source for this, so I'll put it here as its quite an interesting quote, if true. Someone can reinsert it if they find a wp:reliable source.

Griffin went on record in 2005 stating "This party has finally cast off the leg iron of anti-Semitism and not a moment too soon."

Parrot of Doom (talk) 12:24, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Loss of eye

the only political element to this is that A:It may have been due to survialist manouvers (at this tiem un sourced). A supcision that may not be true. But stoped his political carrer for a year (a line such as "the loss of his eye disrupted his political carrer for a short while" can be placed in the right place.Slatersteven (talk) 15:53, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

You are in danger of breaking the Misplaced Pages:Three-revert rule. You are asking questions and inserting citation requests that are completely unnecessary in a fully-referenced paragraph and you are also introducing poor formatting. You are also moving a paragraph which follows the chronology of the article, completely outside that chronology, into a section reserved solely for the man's personal life.

I am reverting your edits for the last time since they are quite clearly incorrect and inappropriate - if you continually revert edits without fully explaining yourself first here, I will be forced to request admin assistance.Parrot of Doom (talk) 16:05, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

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