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Wikieducator

Hi Dror,

I need your help in adding to Israel in English and in Hebrew. My spoken Hebrew is great, but my written is very poor. I hope you will join the WE community in promoting education worldwide but especially in Israel. So far, I am pretty much alone. By the way, you can receive about $1000 to give a face-to-face workshop on how to use WE.

Hag Samech.

--Nellie Deutsch 08:41, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Minor Edits

Just be a little bit careful when you tick the "minor edit" box on your edits. Normally, that's reserved for fixing up typos or reformatting line breaks and things, rather than adding new info - as you did with A-Ba-Ni-Bi. In the event, there was no harm done anyway, but there are some editors out there who do take umbrage because they'll see it as a sneaky way to insert info. I'm not one of them - at least, not when you're only adding composer details to a song. BigHaz 23:33, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing this out. I think I have wrongly defined my preferences, which I am going to correct, so that my edits won't be marked as minor by default. Drork 08:00, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

reg & scholarships

did you see our email? phoebe 22:09, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, thank you very much :-) Drork 00:18, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Re:Hi!

Yes, I went to New York and saw quite a lot of the city. Manhattan was very similar to South Mumbai. Thanks for the gallery link. Shall post my photos when I get the time. Regards, =Nichalp «Talk»= 14:17, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Holocaust

Dror, thanks for your comment. I suppose a discussion of other uses of the word "holocaust" is not unreasonable provided it is not being used to minimise the Holocaust - although I have never seen the word used to describe the actions of the Japanese, who did not try to exterminate any racial groups however badly they behaved. Adam 15:40, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Adam Keller court martial

Hi Dror, I am approaching you as you seem to be a knowledgeable and fair Israeli. Do you recall the courtmatial of Adam Kellner in 1988 (he sprayed slogans on IDF tanks)? Do you have any infomation on the notability of the subject? If so you may want to comment on Misplaced Pages:Deletion review/Log/2007 January 26#Adam Keller court martial. I think that the article is important as it shows that Israeli's are not all gun-totting setters, and that the origingal deletion was initiated by a less progressive Israeli on political grounds. Thanks/Todah/Shukran Abu ali 11:08, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

My sense of humor

Thanks for your comment on my web page. My great aunt Bateekha (actually I don't remember if that was her real name or just her pet-name) once told me that she would rather have a rectal enema than listen to my jokes. You can imagine what that did to my self esteem. Unfortunately for her, she ended up experiencing both the enema and my jokes. Your message does a lot to reverse the psychological trauma her comment caused me, so I'm glad somebody actually likes my sense of humor. Yihyeh tov, as they say in Riyadh. Ramallite 01:19, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Sheqel sign

Do you have more knowledge of this fomor sign, like a picture? Epson291 13:21, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

I hope you don't mind I put what you wrote in the talk page into the page. Does it look like this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Epson291 (talk • contribs) 13:53, 11 April 2007 (UTC).

Not exactly. It should be upside down, the rounded line touching the "ground". The middle stick should not stick out of the rounded line. It sould be exactly in the same hight like the rounded line's edges, and have a straight top. The rounded line's edges should be thicker, while the curve itself should stay relatively thin. I'm describing that symbol out of my memory, because unfortunately I couldn't find any picture of it. This is not surprising as it was used for a short period of time. As far as I know, before the introduction of the the old Shekel in 1980, there was no special symbol to the Israeli currency. Instead a simple abbriviation of the Hebrew name Lira Yisraelit (Israeli Pound) was used: ל"י (the Hebrew letters Lamed and Yud, from right to left, with quotes between them). DrorK 18:16, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I looked for a picture and couldn't find one either. Epson291 00:04, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

I added your picture to Israeli sheqel (See Symbol in chart) Epson291 03:03, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks a lot :-) DrorK 07:29, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Jim Holmes

Hi there!

Since Jim Holmes used to be a dear friend of mine, and since I wrote his biography in the Dutch Misplaced Pages (AND shot that picture you also used in the Hebrew version), I was just wondering: How did you become aware of him? Was your interest merely professional (you being a translator and all), or was there more... It's my experience with matters pertaining to Jim, that most often there's more indeed... |-)

Shalom,

Tom Ordelman --Thor NL 19:10, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Hello, I took one course of Translation Studies at the Tel Aviv University. The lecturer was Prof. Gideon Toury, and he introduced Jim Holmes as one of the pioneers (or even the pioneer) of descriptive translation studies. I was a bit surprised to see his image, since I imagined him as having the old proferssor look. He is in fact much more interesting than I first imagined. Apparently there is a debate among the Israeli translation researchers as to whether he was the leading pioneer of the field, but that doesn't matter much to me. I'm just happy I had the opportunity to learn more about him. DrorK 22:42, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Incredible! Jim would have been very pleased with such a story. And that picture...yes... you can imagine how glad I was about my apparent foresight in taking that when I did (some 26 years ago now...), because by the time I got around to writing his biography for Misplaced Pages, it turned out to be the only one that I could use, since all the others in existence were subject to copyright rules and regulations.

And in case you were wondering: Jim indeed looked exactly like this practically 24/7, so the picture is nothing if not representative. Not a bearded professor, that's true...but a tremendously wise guy nonetheless...make no mistake about that! Even today, 20 plus years after his death, he's still sadly missed by many people, including but not limited to yours truly.

Thanks for your fast return on my original message for, as you undoubtedly know, curiosity kills the cat... |-) Cheers, Tom. --Thor NL 02:19, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: are you acquainted with the field of translation studies?

Anything in particular you're looking for? --Thor NL 21:57, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Tiamut's talk page

Dror, is there any reason for this useless argument with user:Tiamut? It looks nonconstructive and unlikely to benefit article writing. nadav (talk) 04:44, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, it is a personal anger over things he wrote in his userpage. Regardless of the common belief, Israelis have feelings too, especially when many Israelis, including me, back rightful claims about discrimination in Israel. I don't think I'll post any more comments on Tiamut's talk page, as this discussion becomes indeed useless. DrorK 06:14, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

You might have been more successful if you had politely asked for the template to be removed, since it was deleted from the mainspace for being POV-pushing, and since user pages aren't supposed to be used for blatant political statements. If you still feel strongly about this, you could post your request on WP:ANI. nadav (talk) 02:43, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Toda

Shalom Dror! We manage to write a quite fair article in Persian Misplaced Pages about the Second Lebenon War in Persian Misplaced Pages . Part of it is because of your great help, providing me with those useful links about Hizbollah use of human shields! I also would like to invite you to open an account in Persian wikipedia. I hope one day the tension between government of Iran and Israel changes to a friendly relationship between the two great countries, in a region sorrounded by mutual enemies! Best Regards --Kaaveh 02:37, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm at your service anytime :-) I'm afraid my Persian is very basic. My knowledge of Arabic enables me to recognize many words, and I can read simple phrases thanks to Jewish-Persian friends of mine who taught me the basic structure of the language. Nonetheless, I cannot write in Persian. DrorK 07:51, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

DRV for "Truth in Numbers: The Misplaced Pages Story"

Dear Drork, this upcoming Wikidocmentary film article is currently under discussion at Misplaced Pages:Deletion review on today, because a recent decision to retain it on Misplaced Pages has been appealed and it is in progress in reaching an ultimate consensus. You may wish to support for restoration by contributing it to the review. Since you had involved into it in regards to this upcoming Wikidocumentary film by Nic Hill, so please do help out and try not to hesitate to voice out your advocated opinion! Otherwise without you commenting about it, this article would never had existed. Pole Heinz Tower

Hebron

Dear Drork. You needn't have erased the evidence you put there. Eventually there will be a section on the Arab rescue, noting the from 19 to 25 Arab families and 300-450 Jews they saved from the mob, and your precise bibliographical indication is useful (I didn't check if that exact cite is already there, since I prefer to work slowly down a page after reading it a few times. But if, after your revert, it isn't, it would be nice if you could repost it there, as material for that upcoming section. Regards Nishidani 14:10, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

ps.(BY the way, did you study under Tanya Reinhart? No need to reply of course)Nishidani 14:10, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

After I added the information, I noticed it was already incorporated in one of the article's paragraph. I therefore earased my addition and moved the referance to where the information appeared in the first place. If you think the current location is improper, you could move the whole passage into another paragraph, but I think there is a policy of not mentioning a piece of information twice in the same article. About your ps question - yes, I studied linguistics in TAU and naturally one of my professors was the late Tania Reinhart. 14:29, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for not controlling what you did sufficiently. I did not note the finesse of the operation, since I only read the gap between the two pages, and not the section where you relocated. Absolutely, repetitiveness is to be avoided (it is mainly a result of futile edit war trade offs that work by paragraphs, and do not see the overall page) Regards, and apologies for the bother Nishidani 14:35, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

eth - from biblical hebrew

Hi Drork,

1 Sam 17 - the example of the lion and the bear, seems to work in the exact opposite of the sign of the accusative in that only one animal could have taken the lamb, and I think the verbs 'he came' and 'took' are singular, so it is necessary to specify which subject - instead of which object - took the lamb. Unless they both took a lamb, which is probably more likely - I can't see a bear and a lion collaborating or shearing meals. I think the verse refers to two separate examples, and the one with the bear was the most astounding - even a bear. And it probably happened on more than one occasion, which is why the definite article is used. If this is true, 'eth' meaning 'with' can't be true.

Steve

In the article 'New imperative and jussive forms in contemporary Hebrew' it says there is no special subjunctive form in contemporary hebrew, which I take to mean none in classical as well, so could 1 Samuel be translated 'There (customarily) would come the lion and the very bear ...'.

-Steve.

Let me first say that Bolozky who wrote the article "New imperative..." by no mean said that there wasn't a subjunctive form in Biblical Hebrew. Quite the contrary. An analysis of the Biblical Hebrew text show that there were subjunctive forms, but they went out of use gradually due to morpho-phonological changes in the language. Modern Hebrew is not a direct descent of Biblical Hebrew, and its structure is heavily influenced by European languages, Yiddish in particular (a Jewish European language). The new imperative Bolozky talks about shows how Modern Hebrew rejected Biblical morphological structure that aren't compatible with the Modern morpho-phonological structure, and hence developed its own structure.

The double meaning of "eth" is well established in Biblical Hebrew as well as Modern Hebrew. "eth" is actually two words: one is a particle, and inflect as "oti, otkha, otakh, etkhem/otkhem etc.", the other is a preposition meaning "with" and inflect as "itti, itkha, itakh, itkhem, itanu" etc. Actually, when inflected there is no ambiguation, the problem arises only when the base form occurs. This ambiguity is very significant in Genesis 37:2, where you can understand the phrase "ro`e eth-ekhav" as "shepherds his brothers" or as "shepherds with his brother". The latter is the right one, judging from the rest of the text ("...and he is a young boy with the sons of Bilha etc.").

The story in 1 Sam 17:34-35 is clearly an exaggeration. I think the author meant it to look as an exaggeration, hence the inconsistencies of the story. I would translate it as follows: "Then came a lion, and a bear with , and picked a lamb from the herd." in 17:36 the word eth is indeed a particle rather than preposition: "both the lion and the bear you servant defeated", the lion and the bear are the receiver of the action indicated by the verb "hikka" (to srike, hit, defeat), the "eth" occurs only before the first noun, as the two form one unit. DrorK 15:48, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi Drork,

I am an Australian. I asked a professor in one of our universities about 1 Sam. I won't give his name because I didn't ask him permission but he says: "The verbs in question are weqatal i.e. perfect with waw consecutive. What they reflect (like a yiqtol/imperfect) is a habitual or repeated action. So 'the lion would come (on many separate occasions)'."

This is the kind of meaning I meant in implying it was subjunctive and implies that eth is there for emphasis of the ferocity of the bear - as suggested by the International Critical Commentary quoted earlier.

Steve. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.126.104.71 (talk) 18:03, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

First of all, the term subjunctive is irrelevant here. A subjunctive is a verb that indicate an action that hasn't come or yet to come into being, and in modern English it usually takes the base form, e.g. "I suggest you go there". The explanation of your professor is irrelevant to our specific case, as the story clearly refers to a single event in the past. David doesn't tell Saul that bears and lions used to attack his herd. He tells him about a single event, and it is very clear from the context. I dare to guess that your professor refered to the distinction between background actions and foreground actions. In Biblical Hebrew, past background actions are usually indicated by the qatal verb type, while past foreground actions are usually refered to by the wayyiqtol verb type. in Genesis 1 the prolog "In the beginning etc." is written with qatal verbs: "bərêšīt bārā...wə-haʔaresˠ hāytā...". The foreground actions are written with wayyiqtol verbs: "wayyômer...wayyəhī".

In this case the story about the lion and the bear is in the background, so the verbs related to this story are in qatal form. The verbs refering to David's talk with Saul and his preparation to the battle with Goliath are in the foregound, so they are indicated with wayyiqtol verbs. I don't think the word "eth" has any effect for this matter. DrorK 05:37, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Drork - please check this. I hastily deleted the main article because of another article where I was warned by FisherQueen that it was POV. Since then someone put the information on the web with sponsorship and a copyright. I think it is more fair to everyone to have the article freely accessible to anyone.

Realiseyourdignity (talk) 09:27, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

I didn't quite understand the problem. Could you direct me to the passage that was deleted? DrorK 16:45, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

http://www.oneworldonecuponesite.com/index.php?q=Talk:Biblical_Hebrew_language#eth

I don't mind, so long as it's still available freely for others. Realiseyourdignity (talk) 19:19, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Anything we publish on Misplaced Pages, whether we write it in the articles or in the talk pages, is distributed according to GFDL. That site has used our material according to the GFDL license, so it's okay. Anyone can republish it anywhere, the rights are not transfered to them. DrorK 21:01, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

hiii mr drork hii mr drork pleas send me back at nahed87@hotmail.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.178.224.164 (talk) 10:16, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Is Heter meah rabbanim Hebrew?

Moved to: Talk:Heter meah rabbanim#Is Heter meah rabbanim Hebrew?

Gilad Shalit mediation: please indicate dis/agreement

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hébreu, arabe, anglais, français, ...

Bonjour,
Félicitations ! Parler de nombreuses langues et toujours d'un grand intérêt ! :-)
To answer your remark, I think indeed when somebody reads 1948 Palestine War, he cannot guess with accuracy who wrote the book or the paper given the words are used by David Tal, Yoav Gelber, Efraim Karsh, Avi Shlaim and Ilan Pappé as well, ... and they are not on the same side at all. The only one I have in mind who doesn't use these words is Benny Morris in his last book. He titled this 1948 and prefer talking about the "1948 war, which is called War of Independence or War of Liberation by Israeli and al-nakba (The catastrophe) by Palestinians and Arabs." He criticizes "1948 Palestine War" but I don't remember why. I have to check.
Regards, Ceedjee (talk) 08:35, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Mediation

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Thanks for your vote of confidence in the process in the RfM for Gilad Shalit.

I suggest that we start with an opening statement from each of the participants on the RfM talk page. I've also suggested a few groundrules there. If at any time you wish to contact me privately via e-mail, please feel free to do so here. Best wishes. Sunray (talk) 22:08, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Appologise

Sorry fro not explaining, Please see my answer at Talk:Etrog#Unexplained_deletion. Shoteh (talk) 18:40, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Golan Heights & HD1986

You said don't introduce politics to the article, I think you are being a little harsh on HD1986. The territory is de facto controlled by Israel but then parts of Sri Lanka are de facto controlled by LTTE. There is no doubt that the territory is Syrian and has been occupied those are the facts but HD1986 is trying to state them in a political way. The standing version is pretty good as it looks at both sides, HD1986 just needs to realise that phrases like "remain disputed" and "ongoing claim for the land to be returned" are there to balance the case towards Syria thereby making the article less POV. AreaControl (talk) 21:28, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

HD1986 is a useful contributor in my view as he will challenge much of what is taken for granted and keep the article factually sound but of course we need to keep our eyes peeled. I do not like your suggestion that Misplaced Pages should not be diplomatically correct by the way AreaControl (talk) 22:56, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

RE

Hi again, I apologise as I have been doing a lot of overtime I have not been able to reply sooner. I know what you are saying: that the Golan Heights are de facto part of Israel. However what I think HD1986 is trying to get at is that legally the area is probably still considered Syrian. HD1986's edits are a little blunt and only address one point but I see where he/she is going. I think the article looks reasonable and I don't think it should be tipped towards either side but I do think that it should note the international legal implications of the annexation for the sake of fact. Surely you agree that the de jure state of affairs has equal weight to the de facto? AreaControl (talk) 14:20, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the reply. I had to think for a while what bugged me so much in HD's attitude, and I think it is the "eureka" approach, as if he found out something no one knew before. The status of the Golan Heights is one of the more complicated issues in the world. I can come up with some more complicated issues, e.g. the status of Taiwan or the status of the Gaza Strip, but the Golan Heights issue is certainly not an easy case to understand and to present in an article. Of course the de jure status should be included and emphasized in the article, but saying that the Golan Heights is part of Syria would be wrong, just as much as saying that the Kuril Islands are part of Japan, that Western Sahara is an independent state, that Taiwan is a province of the PRC etc. Furthermore, there is no regime of occupation in the Golan Heights (in this respect the Golan Heights are different than the West Bank, where there is a combination of military regime in certain places and weak autonomous regime in others). BTW, this situation in the Golan Heights goes on for more than 40 years. The Golan Heights have been under Israeli control more than they have been under Syrian control, and Syria didn't do much to keep its relations with the region's inhabitants. You can compare this to King Hussein's approach towards the West Bank (before 1988) and see the difference. I don't know whether HD checked all these details before ruling that the article is wrong, but I suspect he didn't. Furthermore, it is not enough to bring the UN or the BBC terminology as a proof. First, one has to distinguish between the UN or the BBC reports and their terminology. The UN's terminology is definitely political, and that's okay, because we are talking about an international organization with political agenda, but then again this is not a neutral terminology. The BBC is not a political organization, but its terminology is not 100% neutral either, and in any case it reflects a certain opinion. Once again, I make a clear distinction between the reports that these two bodies produce and publish, and their terminology, reviews, resolutions, editorials etc. DrorK (talk) 15:04, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

I see what you mean now. HD is certainly not the perfect editor, he's called me an idiot on several occasions. It's a hard article I agree, I barely make content changes to it myself other than reverting vandalism simply because it is so tough to keep together. Whatever we say in the article people will come along and scream either Zionism or Anti-Semitism! AreaControl (talk) 22:41, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

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Please check your Email. Gridge (talk) 23:08, 8 December 2008 (UTC).

Please help!

Hi Drork, for the last few days I'm figting antisemitic and anti Israeli images on Commons. I saw you do too, but I am afraid we're loosing it. I believe the best way to proceed might be posting the deletion requests for the images on Hebrew wikipedia village pump or whatever you have there to make people vote on Commons. May I please ask you to try it. Otherwise I am afraid hateful cartoons will stay. I would have done it myself, but I do not speak Hebrew. Thank you.--Mbz1 (talk) 00:23, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

The issue was already discussed on the Hebrew village pump, but people gave up on this. Actually the problem here is much broader than giving a kind of legitimacy to antisemitism. In my opinion, a wide door has been opened to all kind of hatred messages released under free license (and why wouldn't the "artist" use a free licensed when it serves his interests so well?). The danger of turning the Commons and other Wikimedia projects into either a junkyard, a political battlefield or a vulgar speech hydepark was evident from the beginning, and there was a genuine effort to overcome this weakness. Unfortunately things are currently going in the wrong direction. DrorK (talk) 17:10, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, you did not give up, did you? I am sure there are others, who did not. What I meant was not to discuss it (I'm afraid there's nothing to discuss), but simply provide the links to the particular deletion requests we're dealing with now and ask people go and vote, take real action.I'd like to tell you that I applaud you for doing what you're doing. I was on Commons for a little bit more than a year, and only few days ago I started fighting hate propaganda images. I'm tired already and about to give it up, while you fight for the right cause not only on Commons and English Misplaced Pages, but also Arab Misplaced Pages.I wish you good luck and peace!--Mbz1 (talk) 17:59, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Please comment your edits

Hi, on the gaza conflict page you have twice removed the link to the arabic translation, and twice I have undone this because you gave no comment. I have noticed, now, in the discussion page there is talk of it's bias. I have seen the google translation now and I agree with you. It is certainly not an "equal" as translations go. Even if you had just added the comment "as per talk" I would have looked there first before reverting. Please just comment next time ;) thanks entro-p (talk) 13:33, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

I hope this doesn't sound too self-righteous, but I am very uncomfortable with that debate on the talk page, however this article in Arabic about Gaza is really crossing the red line in my opinion. There are people like Yamanam, who has just joined the English Misplaced Pages, who try to turn ar-wp into a political Palestinian blog, and apparently no one is there to stop this abuse. Of course it looks bad that an Israeli guy asks to remove a ling to ar-wp, but apparently Arabic is taken as an exotic language, no one can read it, and anything can be written in it. I am certainly not here to be a part of an Israeli propaganda, and I even did my best to improve ar-wp, but to the best of my judgment, things have went too far there, and many of the articles there should be checked before linked to. DrorK (talk) 13:44, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

I've put up a message here to see what any neutral editors think. Bsimmons666 (talk) 19:22, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Palestine book

Please do not reapply a WP:PROD tag after it has been removed once. Use WP:AFD instead if you think the article should be deleted.  Sandstein  18:34, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages Masri

كل سنة وانت طيب يا درور اتمنى متكونش لسة زعلان من اللي حصل من ويكيبيديا العربية وتبتدي من جديد في ويكيبيديا مصري لو عايز طبعا وويكيبيديا مصري هتتشرف بيك لانها موسوعة القائمين عليها ليبراليين وعلمانيين يا ريت تجرب شكرا --زهرة المداخن (talk) 08:54, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

2008–2009 Israel–Gaza conflict

Over the last three days you've removed the link eleven times, three of those times being today. It would be best to stop removing it and let somebody else do it. BJ 14:39, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

I don't seem to get much support in this very crucial issue. I think the Arabic Misplaced Pages crossed every possible red line, and there are plenty of people on en-wp who are willing to cooperate with this. DrorK (talk) 15:14, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

BTW, I stopped removing the link when some honest ar-wp users changed the title into "The Israeli Attack on Gaza" and balanced its content (it still emphasized the Palestinian side, but was in line with the NPOV principle). Then a few other users claimed "we must not be cowards" and reverted to the earlier version. The language directed at me when I tried to edit the article was intolerable. The least we can do is to remove that interwiki, and it would be just too, because the equivalence is quite vague when the article is so biased. DrorK (talk) 15:19, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

I would advise seeking a more neutral audience at one of the notice boards or perhaps consider dispute resolution. At the moment you are dangerously close to WP:3RR. BJ 15:25, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

You've got mail as well. BJ 15:46, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Bureaucracy is always the refuge isn't it? We are talking here about the very essence of Misplaced Pages and its credibility, and we end up with bureaucracy as if we were in the UN. That's sad. DrorK (talk) 18:46, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

January 2009

Welcome to Misplaced Pages. Although everyone is welcome to make constructive contributions to Misplaced Pages, at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to 2008–2009 Israel–Gaza conflict, did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and read the welcome page to learn more about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. Thank you. no consensus for your repeated deletions of the arab wiki link RomaC (talk) 15:24, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Don't template the regulars, that certainly isn't helpful. BJ 15:26, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

See my response above. DrorK (talk) 18:47, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

just checking on your response

Hi Dror,

I would just like to check that a web page I made of our previous discussion on eth is ok by you. I was using the pseudonym Realiseyourdignity or Notpayingthepsychiatrist.

Here is the page: http://sites.google.com/site/ethhebrew/

Hope everything is ok. Steve 203.3.64.24 (talk) 03:51, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Sure it is okay, everything I write here is free for redistribution, that's what Misplaced Pages is for :-) Thanks for informing me. I've noticed 2-3 typos in what I wrote, but I suppose they are tolerable. DrorK (talk) 07:08, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Israel

Thanks for fixing the Arabic. I just copy & pasted the one from dawlat Israil because in the original version it was broken (no latter on the last damma). Cheers, Ynhockey 08:59, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome :-) These suffixes are rarely used, but it is important to show them, because they mark the morphological class of the word/proper name in Standard Arabic. DrorK (talk) 17:41, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

March 2009

Thank you for your contributions to Misplaced Pages. Please don't forget to provide an edit summary, as you forgot on your recent edit to Timeline of the introduction of color television in countries. Your edit is a good one, so a brief edit summary would have let other editors know that it wasn't even necessary to check for vandalism, etc. --Ericdn (talk) 06:14, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Swedish links

Some links: Football (soccer) club in Södertälje, Sweden, formed by Syriac immigrants: Syrianska FC (official website). The Swedish 1967 fr:Réforme du tutoiement en Suède. Swedish fast-food specialty Kebabpizza (Google image search). --LA2 (talk) 15:31, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

דרור שלום אבקש את עזרתך.

בס"ד,

זו כבר הפעם השניה בה אני פונה אליך באותו ענין. וסליחה אם אני נודניק.

להלן שאלה שהעברתי לאלדד ואחרי כן לייעוץ לשוני בויקיפדיה העברית אשמח אם תוכל לעזור לי

אני צריך בבקשה אישור לתרגום של מילים + הכיתוב שלהם בערבית. הרי הם לפניך:

• "טיכו" - שורש ערבי ספרותי?
• "טאכא" - הוכתם בדבר רע, מעורב בעסקי שווא?
• "טַייכַ" - קילל מישהו, הכתים במשהו מכוער, חיסל?
• "טיכָה" טיפש וחסר דעה?

ואולי קצת עזרה גם בטורקית:

• "טייך" - רע, נהיה רע?
• "טיך" - בורות, חוסר ידע?

בתודה מראש, יהודה מלאכי • חיוג מקוצר • כבר חתמת? • ויקיהדות • כ"ג באדר ה'תשס"ט • 00:21, 19 במרץ 2009 (IST)

שלום יהודה, ברוך בואך לדף השיחה שלי.

אני לא בטוח שהבנתי - אתה שואל אם למילים האלה יש קשר לערבית? אם כן, אני לא מכיר אותו. למעשה, אני לא מכיר אף אחת מן המילים שכתבת כאן. אולי מישהו מבאי דף השיחה שלי כן מכיר? בוא נמתין ונראה (אם נראה שאף אחד לא מגיב, אני חושב שכדאי יהיה להעלות את המילים לדף הייעוץ הלשוני, אולי מישהו מהמבקרים יוכל לעזור). אלדד • שיחה 00:48, 19 במרץ 2009 (IST)

כן אלדד, כך נטען כאן ובעוד כמה מקומות ברשת לכולם אבא זהה. פשוט רציתי לכתוב את הערך משועמם טיכו בקטגוריה סלנג וניבים ישראליים. התחלתי לכתוב את החומר על ה-PC הביתי כי אישית קישרתי את זה לד"ר טיכו כפי מה שלי היה ידוע (עיין כאן אמנם הגירסה שלי אל הקשר לד"ר ורעייתו שונה מהנכתב שם). אבל ללא אישור ממתרגם ומבין ערבית, לא רציתי להעלות את הערך. תודה, יהודה מלאכי • חיוג מקוצר • כבר חתמת? • ויקיהדות • כ"ג באדר ה'תשס"ט • 00:58, 19 במרץ 2009 (IST)

ייתכן שהן אכן קיימות בערבית (אני מאמין שאם רוביק רוזנטל כתב כך, אז הדברים אמינים), אבל אלה מילים שלא נתקלתי בהן. אני אמנם יודע ערבית ועוסק בערבית מדי פעם, אבל אני לא עוסק בשפה הזאת באופן יומיומי, ואני לא בקיא בה כמו באנגלית, או בשפות אירופיות אחרות. נסה לפנות למשתמש יונבל, בכתובת: משתמש:Belin_kov. לא ראיתי אותו בוויקיפדיה זמן רב, אבל אולי הוא מבקר כשאני לא נמצא. בעבר היה אצלנו גם דרורK (משתמש:Drork), אבל, לצערי, הוא פרש מוויקיפדיה. אני אנסה, במקביל, לבדוק את המילים האלה עם דוברי ערבית, אבל ייתכן שיעבור זמן עד שאחזור עם תשובה בדוקה. אלדד • שיחה 01:07, 19 במרץ 2009 (IST)

אודה מאוד על תגובתך, כאן בתודה מראש, יהודה מלאכי מויקיפדיה העברית.

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Politics

Re: your comment about the recent attempts to insert politics in golan-related articles that mention Israel, you may or may not be interested in a recent similar attempt which some may consider an attempt to politicize food: RfC Za'atar, Israeli culture theft, Falafel: Israeli sections and to Guy0307. Cheers! --Nsaum75 (talk) 12:52, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Who is creating edit wars?

I reverted it 1 time, you 3 times.--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 16:53, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

It won't surprise you to hear that I agree with SD on this. And please note that any further reverts in the next 24 or so hours will violate WP:3RR--Peter cohen (talk) 16:58, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Forgive me for being tired of people who say they object Israel's right to exist, burst into an article, make controversial edits and then play innocent an say it is not them who started the war edit. DrorK (talk) 18:17, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Israel_Palestine_Collaboration/Current_Article_Issues#Israel_and_Mount_Hermon

Just to let you know that I've mentioned you in the above thread. The main discussion should be at the thread we're involved in at Talk:Israel, but I've posted to the IPCOLL board so that people who are supposedly interested in impartial coverage of the Israeli-Palestinian dispute are made aware of this going on.--Peter cohen (talk) 16:58, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Removing content from Talk:Hummus

Please stop. If you continue to blank out or delete portions of page content, templates or other materials from Misplaced Pages, you will be blocked from editing. --macrakis (talk) 19:43, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

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