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Howdy

Hi, I'm being bold and introducing myself. My name is Christian Hejnal and I play in a band called Scarling. with my wife Jessicka. I've noticed there's been a little unnecessary mud slinging in her direction by a disgruntled person. I just wanted to put it out there that if you had any issues with any pages related to my wife, my band, our roommate Lisa Leveridge or my co-worker Rickey Goodling, myself, please don't hesitate to come to me directly. I'm happy to help.

I am new to wikipedia and currently trying to get familiar with all the rules and protocol here. I believe whole heartily in a neutral stance but also would like things written about any of the previously mentioned pages to be factual. I'm about to do an interview with a third party publication to set some things straight. Until then I just wanted to introduce myself.

take care, Xtian1313 (talk) 02:21, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi! welcome to wiki! Swancookie (talk) 01:22, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

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I have nothing to do with this. Swancookie (talk) 22:40, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

BLP violations

Stop reinserting text without sources meeting WP:RS, overly promotional material, and quotations that aren't found on the cited sources and/or are cited to websites controlled by the article's subject. Your continuous reinsertion of this material raises serious questions as to the good faith of your editing. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 22:33, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Stop Blanking sourced sections! I am trying to improve this article. An Example: High Fructose is NOT a blog. It's a well respected low brow art site and states that she was a muse for the show. You keep removing it. You are constantly editing Jessicka and her husband's Christian's page. There is no doubt you have a serious bias with editing these articles.

I'd rather not deal with you. Next step is to bring in a neutral third part admin. And Not Rickey, Big Daddy or Bali.

Swancookie (talk) 22:39, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Don't post uncivil comments impugn the neutrality/motives of editors who disagree with you. It reinforces the impression that, if not a sock puppet, you're editing in concert with a group of individuals associated with the article subjects who have repeatedly refused to conform with Misplaced Pages policies like WP:RS, WP:NPOV, and WP:BLP. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 22:47, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

I suggest you take our own advice! "a group of individuals associated with the article subjects who have repeatedly refused to conform with Misplaced Pages policies like WP:RS, WP:NPOV, and WP:BLP." Don't assume! You have a bias against Xtian 1313 yet you edit his article to no end, how is that policy? I am not a sock Puppet (accusation???) I just do not agree with you! Swancookie (talk) 22:50, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm getting an admin in here. I refuse to deal with you as you have a clear bias when editing this article. Swancookie (talk) 22:51, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

{{adminhelp}}

I need help. I need a neutral third patient administrator who is not already involved in some of the bias that is going on here. I'd prefer to deal with somebody who is well versed in LGBT issues. Swancookie (talk) 23:01, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

• Note: I've converted your request for help into a request for admin help so it'll reach the attention of the right people. If you don't receive a response quickly enough, you may wish to post on the administrator's noticeboard or the BLP noticeboard.—S Marshall /_Cont 23:30, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Given you are the subject of an ANI post, you are going to get more than enough admin eyes on your issues. --Stephen 03:17, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

dealing with that now. I need a third opinion. Swancookie (talk) 14:59, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

LGBT/content Question

I'd like to start a new article about a LGBT artist. The only problem is a lot of the press I have on them is in actual magazines. How does one prove notability if a lot of the person's press (40%?) is in actual gay publications/magazines not online press. What would you suggest I do? Thanks. Swancookie (talk) 18:25, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Answered at User talk:Allstarecho.  Frank  |  talk  22:06, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

LGBT Question/response

Copied over from my talkpage so you have another perspective to your question.

I'd like to start a new article about a LGBT artist. The only problem is a lot of the press I have on them is in actual magazines. How does one prove notability if a lot of the person's press (40%?) is in actual gay publications/magazines not online press. What would you suggest I do? Thanks. Swancookie (talk) 21:41, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi, you're in luck, sources do not have to be available online and many, most?, aren't. Use the template at Template:Citation#Citing journals, newspapers, magazines, or other periodicals and fill in every thing you have. Be sure to put the entire cite within ref tags like <ref> (full citation here) </ref>. Good luck! -- Banjeboi 03:40, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Wow. excellent. Thank you so much for pointing me in the right direction. Before I create a new article I want to make sure the person is notable. Doing a little fact checking and wiki checking as well. Would you mind terribly to check if I'm doing this correctly? I'm going to experiment with a few other articles first. Just to get the hang of using the citation template. How would I go about citing this link?

I actually have that Seconds magazine.

below is an example of what I'm doing. How would I think insert it into this article? Jessicka

Price, Simon (September 4, 2005), "Scarling. So Long, Scarecrow", The Independent, vol. The Independent, London, Uk, p. 16 {{citation}}: Text "issuse" ignored (help)

Thank so much for being helpful! Swancookie (talk) 14:21, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

The Independent one looks fine. The Geocities link is not as Geocities is notorious for hosting unreliable stuff. It may be a blacklisted link in which case just leave off the weblink itself and add a note to the talkpage (for future editors) that Seconds magazine text of article reprinted at . In the cite itself, if the system will allow the link to stay, put a note "text of article reprinted" right after the link. -- Banjeboi 15:33, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

The Independent "link" is not fine; it's a phony citation. Despite what the text says, the link is not to the Independent's site, but to the Scarling site. The articles where Swancookie is edit-warring with me are riddled with phony citations like this, where the links don't actually go to the sources listed (which appear to be reliable), but to sources controlled by the article subjects or their friends, which fail WP:RS by large and indisputable margins. Swancookie's repeated reinsertion of these fake citations is a textbook case of disruptive and deceptive editing. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 18:40, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

The Independent one, IMHO is still fine. It would be better to do a google search and see if you can get the original, if it's after 2004 it's likely still online or in the internet archives but If not the cite should have a qualifier like i previous stated "text archived at Band's webpage"; if you think about it we would readily accept the newspaper cite without any internet link but it's much more convenient to have the text available. Absent any proof of wrongdoing we extend good faith the band - like so many other groups - is simply collecting media mentions in one spot. That's quite common. -- Banjeboi 19:20, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Be warned.User:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz has a huge bias with the article Jessicka. I believe that he is tearing it apart in order to nominate it for speedy deletion. If you look at his talk page you'll see he's had several unresolved issues with the subject Jessicka's husband Christian Hejnal and now he is editing their articles (and any articles that mention them) mercilessly. I'm not being disruptive or deceptive, I assure you. I just want to see the article be the best it can be User:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz can not say the same. You can see how he over reacts asking for a block above. Swancookie (talk) 18:50, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

User:Benjiboi- I need a neutral third party on this one. I'm afraid to even start another article as User:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz will be breathing down my neck because he has some weird issue with me. I didn't join wikipedia to be harassed and argue with aggressive editors who spout policy even when they are proven wrong. I'm trying to better.

Any help/words or wisdom would be greatly appreciated. Swancookie (talk) 18:58, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Hullaballoo Wolfowitz, you prbably should disengage on this one for a while, just because things have gotten heated up. If you want to keep tab on things then maybe drop a note to someone neutral or at the ANI or admin board to look at see if something needs to be addressed. Swancookie, they likely mean very well but are being a bit heavy handed. This, oddly, will serve you better by helping your editing be stronger and more in keeping with policy. Seriously, there is no point adding junk that will just be removed within days/weeks anyway so it's better to make sure it's strong from the get-go. Trust me, even if you get everything right it will still be picked on and screwed with by someone so just press on and do your best. -- Banjeboi 19:20, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

I have tried to contact Hullaballo in good faith, but he ignores me. He deletes my section on his talk page. Also if you read his talk page it shows that he has issues with Christian Hejnal = User:Xtian1313. Editing Christin & his wife Jessicka's page this way is just bad form in my humble opinion.

But moving on, may I put back the citations that Hullaballoo removed? They are on the band's site but they aren't phony I own the AP the quote is from. I could scan it. LOL! Swancookie (talk) 19:27, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

I would just leave them alone and move on, if you left a note and they deleted it we assume they read it. Nuff said. I would also go ahead and put back in the deleted content if you feel the sourcing is fine etc. They may simply not care for the cite style but as I wrote above using a band's archive of media blurbs is acceptable. If you can link to the original articles it would be better but don't stress. -- Banjeboi 20:08, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

Ah good to know. Seriously thanks again for walking me through this stuff. It's been hard dealing with certain editors here and I feel like the more I know, the more I can be an asset to this site.

Would you mind looking at Jessicka and Christian Hejnal???? If you give them the OK I'll feel more confident to start a few new articles here. Swancookie (talk) 15:48, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

OK, on Jessicka I did some basic clean-up. The bisexual line isn't well worded or referenced. Wordpress (as a rule) and blogs that aren't quite reliable should be avoided. Having stated that I have no reason to dispute so I'll leave it to you to see if there are other sources for this. Websites, only one to put in the infobox should be hers, not the bands although those could be put into the External links sections. Overall the tone sounds too informal/promotional and therefore less than credible. I would address that as that will attract others to tag or change things. On Christian Hejnal, same issues plus rework the whole film career as it alludes that they've been in all those films when instead it looks like they crewed them (which isn't bad, just different). So instead of film career make it just career and explain the progression of what they did. Filmography should be ditched, that's for actors. Some of that could be woven into the career section and you could moved the entire list to the talkpage for future reference. -- Banjeboi 16:44, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Great job with the clean-up. I agree with all of your changes. I agree in the Hejnal article that filmography should just be left out. Reads better that way. There's an IMDB link, that should suffice. I'll work a little more on the Jessicka aricle. I'll remove any peacock, hopefully that will help. :)

Oh, last question (for now) I swear. What's the policy on linking from a person's .com biography? Say a biography on Jessicka.com-? There it says she is openly bisexual. Thanks 100 tiimes thanks! Swancookie (talk) 16:53, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

IMDB is rather useless I'm afraid. The good news is that a person's .com page is perfect for a BLP (biography of living person) as a person is considered an expert on themselves. If she says she's bisexual on her page then we can cite that. We use caution though about repeating any exceptional claims. If she wrote, for instance, that she had the top-selling single of 2007 we'd sniff it as odd and say it was an exceptional claim needing exceptional sourcing. -- Banjeboi 19:07, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

OK great. I'll find that section on her .com. Does that work for bands too? If a band says they are currently recording on their.com. Is that a usable source for wikipedia? Swancookie (talk) 19:23, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it's more NPOV to write - according to the band's website they started a new album project in June 2009, etc. -- Banjeboi 20:03, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Understood, I'll try adding all of that next week when I have time. Again thanks. Enjoy your weekend! Swancookie (talk) 20:09, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Re: Jeordie White

Hi, I think you have the wrong person, I only remove/revert vandalism , & , I think you are looking for User:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz, who is either removing or asking for reference for every other word within the article , , and also User:Snuppy . They are the one's that seem to have a problem with the article.  Doktor  Wilhelm  19:08, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

I contacted them. Thanks! Swancookie (talk) 19:21, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

No problem, I hope something can be sorted out, it seems like Hullaballoo Wolfowitz is attempting to udermine several articles (all connected to each other), so I've a feeling that an Admin will need to be asked for help with this, specially since adding anything back into the article will likely just lead Hullaballoo Wolfowitz removing anything re-added without question or attempt to find better sources/references.  Doktor  Wilhelm  19:50, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it will. But not because I am trying to "undermine" articles, but because WP:BLP directs users to delete material sourced from self-published blogs from biographies of living persons (except in certain cases where the article subject is the author/publisher of the blog, none of which apply here.) Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 23:03, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, It's getting really really bad. Not really sure what to do. Any advice? Swancookie (talk) 19:58, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, try that below and you may get an admin... - ALLST✰R▼ _{wuz here @} 21:34, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

It didn't get an admin, it got me. But I've converted the {{help}} to {{adminhelp}} for you.—S Marshall /_Cont 23:34, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

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I've responded on Talk:Jeordie White. Snuppy 01:01, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

adding: WP:BLP, an official Misplaced Pages policy, directs that all questionable, unsourced or poorly material should be deleted immediately, and that "the burden of proof is on those who wish to retain, restore, or undelete disputed material. Before adding or restoring material, the editor committing the edit must ensure it meets all Misplaced Pages content policies and guidelines, not just verifiability of sources." I'm not trying to be a dick. I'm trying to make sure this article meets a basic standard. Snuppy 01:05, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

You appeared to have made your 6th revert on the article. You may wish to revert. Soxwon (talk) 03:45, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

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