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== Redmond, Washington page ==

Why remove the information on council candidates? This is useful information. If it's not on Misplaced Pages, it will be nowhere as the city doesn't have a list of candidates. And, certainly, this sort of information is in many other places on Misplaced Pages. I agree that the fact that Kim Allen is running for re-election doesn't belong in the list of current council members (but not because it's COI -- I don't care who put it in). ] (]) 06:05, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

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Eric Nelson (scholar)

  • I am not writing to object to the fact that you took this page down. I am writing to object to your discourtesy.
  • I logged in a few minutes ago to take the page down, having decided that the scholar is still too young. I have had a glimpse of his next book, it is powerful and he will have his page in a year or too, when the general circulation intellectual journals have had a chance to notice the impact he is already having in the scholarly literature.
  • However, would it not be more collegial to write to the person who put the page up, wait a few days, and give the author of a page a day or two to think notability over and concur that it is too early for a page to go up, or to improve the page.
  • The avidity with which people take down new pages (this young man is after all, already a scholar with a notable career, albeit stil in its early stages and not noticed by the general public - this was, in other words, obviously not a vanity page) and act aggressively in other ways makes Misplaced Pages a very unpleasant place. this, in my opinion, is one reason why people are reluctant to participate, which, in turn, explains why the calibre of the encyclopedia is so paltry once you get beyond the experimental sciences, popular culture, and contemporary politics, which can really be very good.
  • end of rant.Historicist (talk) 21:18, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Replied on your talk page. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 05:08, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Monroe Middle School in California

Nice Job. OtisJimmyOne 00:31, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

User:Spaceman7Spiff

Thanks for catching the vandalism on my page and reverting. Cheers. -SpacemanSpiff (talk) 08:44, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Caveat Emptor

Information on Airliners.net "Other Controversy" was already there I just added to it. You must be an "A.Net" member who supports the moderators who engage in these activities. Dfwaviator (talk) 00:27, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 04:04, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Cheers

I kinda expected some amusing rebuttals. Please accept to help quench your thirst, with my thanks.--VS 08:12, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 20:34, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Message from Lockbox7

sorry - thought i was in my sandbox... was in the wrong window. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lockbox7 (talkcontribs) 20:58, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

User talk:Piratesmackkk

Hi. Nice work banning that one so swiftly. Sorry I welcomed them; I didn't know the history until later. Cheers,  Chzz  ►  21:49, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 01:56, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Re:Thanks

You're welcome! Abce2|AccessDenied 01:43, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

dog

ill create whatever articles i want

even my dog shelby!!

so ha! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tennischamp533320 (talkcontribs) 02:37, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 02:39, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Re: Thanks

Heh, no problem, glad to help. :) –Juliancolton |  02:44, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

admin

how do you become an admin, or are you just a robot? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tennischamp533320 (talkcontribs) 02:49, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

For your cool head

I hereby award you this vandal whacking stick. I have never seen any editor who has kept his cool under such harrasment like you, so I think you deserve this.--Abce2|AccessDenied 02:52, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, they aren't very creative. You're welcome.--Abce2|AccessDenied 14:54, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Who made you the Wiki Police?

Most of the paragraph that you deleted was already there. I just added to it. Who made you the wiki police. As far as the information, it is fact. The moderators are volunteers, they are not regulated, and Demand media will continue to charge for services after a member has been banned. Fact, Fact Fact. Go read the TOS. I am posting fact. Leave me alone. You can delete, I have it saved, so I will cut and paste and put it back. Dfwaviator (talk) 16:53, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Please Delete the "Welcome" message you left me.

I don't appreciate you sending me a snippy "welcome to Misplaced Pages message, and then promptly deleting anything I touch. Please leave me alone. Don't you have anything better to do? I don't need or appreciate your welcome. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dfwaviator (talkcontribs) 17:24, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Filing a complaint

I would like to file a complaint. What are the procedures for filing a complaint. Clearly there are conflicts of interest in regards to my edit of Airliners.net. I would like to appeal the deletion of my edit, and the existing edit that was connected to my edit that was deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dfwaviator (talkcontribs) 18:53, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Be Nice

Being nice

Throughout the entire process of NP patrol, it is important to remember not to bite the newbies. Far from being a monolithic horde of vandals, trolls, and spammers, the available evidence seems to indicate that newcomers write most of Misplaced Pages's content. If you see a new user or IP address contributing, {{welcome}} or {{welcome-anon}} them if you're so inclined, and include a pointer or two of feedback about how they can make their contributions even better. Most will gladly welcome the support. It is also important to assume good faith as much as possible, or, minimally to assume incompetence instead of malice. For example, remember not everyone is as computer-literate as you; some people will accidentally blank or damage pages when attempting to cut and paste material from Misplaced Pages. Others may not understand that, yes, their changes really are visible to the entire world.

You and your cohorts could try to be nice and ask me why I posted the information that I did, in private allowed me to give you background and supporting information (which I have) and then given me advice how to post the information correctly, instead of being nasty.

Dfwaviator (talk) 19:27, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Acceptance

I am very curious. Within 15 minutes of me signing up, and adding (what I feel is very valuable) information. You just jump in and delete it. As I read thru the terms and instructions throughout Misplaced Pages, it speaks of discussing information. You also deleted information that was already there and accused me of doing so. Your friend Whuwuzdat sent me a threatening message. I am very disappointed in the un-professionalism and lack of disregard. You could have offered advice or information on how to reword the information to make it fit the guidelines. Instead you chose to be an unfriendly person and just deleted it. You could have been nice.

You are an unfriendly self serving individual. If you want to be helpful, do so......You could respond to my messages instead of ignoring me.Dfwaviator (talk) 23:55, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

You have requested that I leave you alone, so I have not answered any of your messages on your Talk page. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 05:52, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Restland Cemetery & Copyright

If you would look closely, I edited the material to make it just factual instead of advertising material. It is also fact. I can document all information posted.Dfwaviator (talk) 16:56, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Picking on Me

You must have some sort of axe to grind, or have no life. This is supposed to be open to the public. The information is factual that I posted regarding Restland Cemetery is factual. It can be found by searching the records of the Texas Funeral Service Commission. I am a licensed Mortician in the states of Arkansas and Texas and have a vast knowlege of many of the cemetery properties in both states, and would like to add that information. Stevie Ray Vaughn's aunt was recently buried at Restland, and he is Buried at Laurel Land in Dallas. That information is notable, and historic in value...I assume however that you will delete that as well. I fully intend to file a complaint against you with wiki as soon as I sift through the information and figure out how to do it. You seem to do this to many people. Dfwaviator (talk) 17:04, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 20:50, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Restland Cemetery

Say for example, in theory....I was an employee of Stewart Enterprises (Parent Company of Restland Cemetery) and I edited the information from the website (which I did, it is not verbatim, go back and look at it.) I changed key information that appeared to be aimed in a marketing fashion and changed it to more matter of fact language, It would fit the criteria. And in theory If I were an employee of said company, I would be able to verify the information being posted as fact. In theory.

Maybe, just maybe if you would have been civil, and took a chance to talk to me, you might have learned something. Instead you chose to act before asking. I will revert the information. Go read it. Dfwaviator (talk) 20:54, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 21:28, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Metairie Cemetery

This cemetery is also owned by Stewart Enterprises, is also on the National Register, and contains information from the Lakelawn Metairie website, yet you have not deleted itDfwaviator (talk) 21:06, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 21:28, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for reverting that vandalism to my user page (and for blocking the vandal). Appreciate it! Snappy (talk) 06:38, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

No problem. =) I had the block button loaded and ready to go with him as I figured he wasn't going to stop after the final warning. He snuck that second vandalism in just before I clicked the submit button. Sorry about that. On a side note, don't forget to substitute the user warning templates. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 06:43, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Urgh, sorry, I skipped over the instructions on your talk page. Bleah. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 06:55, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

User:BobSmith007

I think this is the same user as Plastics017‎ (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), check that users history as well. Nableezy (talk) 18:04, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 18:14, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Your speedy deletion of my contribution

I'm not happy with my contribution being deleted within seconds of publishing it. It took me time to compose and submit and if you had simply left me a message about why it should state that it is unique and should be allowed on wikipedia and given me some time I would have then added that content. I was going to do so when I saw you flagged my page but now the page is gone and it appears I have lost my work with no way to retrieve it. This is not the way to get the community involved in wikipedia. Has it gotten so big the little people (who built wikipedia) no longer matter? I am clearly not a vandalizer or someone who is out to do anything but improve the body of knowledge for everyone on the internet but I feel like I've been treated as a vandalizer. There is nothing else on the web like Ajarn Wiki and it is unique in several ways so if you would only allow me a chance to add that information I think you will agree that it does have a place on wikipedia. Can you reply to my message as quickly as you deleted my contribution? --Ajarn Eric (talk) 16:14, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 16:19, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

User:Razorweiner

The user obviously has a very high degree of silliness and would probably be headed for a block anyway, but I'm not seeing the sockery thing. The user does seem to be the IP that was trying persistently to add homosexuality to Edward Low's attributes. However this seems more like a case of an anonymous user who finally got around to getting a username, which could be taken as a positive step out of the darkness. --Dynaflow babble 16:23, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Never mind; just found Aranesp (talk · contribs). Good block. --Dynaflow babble 16:41, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Replied on your talk page. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 16:56, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

mvrockman

So you told me to read the Advert rules and such regarding my addition to a few athletes pages about oneseason, the sports trading market influenced by the popularity of the players. I just want to clear this up with you to make sure I get it right. I believe the issue was I put the website name making it seem like i was advertising it, however if I link it to the sites wiki page then it is appropriate? If that is not correct please let me know what I would need to do to make it appropriate.

Thanks for the help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mvrockman (talkcontribs) 17:42, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 23:44, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Jayy Buddy

Please can you delete this again - must've crossed wires when putting tag on. Quantpole (talk) 23:47, 10 June 2009 (UTC) Already done. Quantpole (talk) 23:48, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

bob

it's in the OED - 2007. please check your facts before making random deletions. this is poor practice! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ewebiquitous (talkcontribs) 00:12, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 00:14, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Only warning

Why do I only get one warning wen everyvody else gets 4? SteveUrkelAwesome (talk) 01:47, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 01:49, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Zane Savage

Why do you keep taking down the Zane Savage article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Simulate you (talkcontribs) 04:16, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 04:19, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

User:DigOurGame/User:69.69.40.12

Thanks, I was just going to ask for help at WP:ANI. If you look at his anonymous edits, you'll see that he's been undoing quite a few of my other edits today. Do you think I'm safe in reverting those? One of them, at BossInGame, was his removing an AFD template. I don't want to run afoul of WP:3RR. Wyatt Riot (talk) 05:14, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I see that he has been active under that IP for quite some time trying to put his game into the MMOG list. I didn't notice that. Stalking your past edits is not a good thing either. As for the removal of the AfD template, that would be vandalism, so reverting the removal would be exempt from 3RR. I reverted the removal. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 05:21, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Thank you very much! Cheers! Wyatt Riot (talk) 05:24, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

DigOurGame

I have unblocked DigOurGame (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). He has been counseled regarding Misplaced Pages:FAQ/Organizations and Misplaced Pages:Conflict of interest. He is required to request renaming of his account before he does any editing. Fred Talk 01:09, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 03:55, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

I Love Money 3

Hi, as you were one of the admins to delete I Love Money 3, I thought you might want to have a look at I Love Money (season 3). I will inform the other admin as well. Thanks! Plastikspork (talk) 09:01, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Orangemike deleted the recreation. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 03:53, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Spamming Is Allowed?

I was checking vandalism on your page, noticed a snide remark someone left you and I checked that user's talk page for your response: Now instead of not. That's a rather humorous typo. ;) -WarthogDemon 05:34, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Re

You're welcome! Abce2|AccessDenied 18:37, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Phoenix23

Hi

I am looknig for more info on band Phoenix23. They are referred to on the 50 Dead Men Walking film page, having written 3 songs in the film sound track and I am keen to find out more about the band.

When I click on the link the Phoenix23 page just refers to not having a page.

Will they be having a page?

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.195.220.41 (talk) 11:20, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

If the band meets the notability guidelines for musical acts and somebody is willing to create an article for them, then the band will have an article. You are welcome to create an account and start the article. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 18:09, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

202.76.169.2

You blocked 202.76.169.2 yesterday for one year. However, there seems to be something wrong with the block, as the anon is still cheerfully vandalising! --Geronimo20 (talk) 05:42, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 05:51, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Tombstone's pages

I undeleted all of them per Tombstone's request using {{adminhelp}}; I did not remove the CSD tags, forgetting thay had been there. Did Tombstone ask for them to be redeleted? -Jeremy 07:17, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 07:27, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Www.wchfoundation.org.au

How did you delete this? The log points out that you deleted it earlier for G11. Me and jimfbleak ran into a problem deleting the article, he can probably explain further. If you feel compelled to respond on my talk page, don't bother with a new section; just edit the blanking section, it's the one regarding the problem. LedgendGamer 07:13, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 18:33, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

The Wolfram Alpha Society

You deleted a reference to a new usage of the Wolfram Alpha search engine which has a facebook, meetup and web presence. I am the creator of the site and am currently in discussions with Wolfram Alpha's business development group. I believe it is a valid reference since it's concept is to take wolfram alpha's abilities and use it on a meta level. Think BING and YOUTUBE. Please advise what criteria you require to enable this post to be reinstated.

Please also confirm whether you have censored this post due to the competitive nature of such an idea with Misplaced Pages and fear over Wolfram Alpha becoming a "wikipedia killer." I personally think that such ideas are unfounded and if anything the wikipedia format would only be increased by such websites as mine being developed.

Thanks, Steve Necel Snecel (talk) 23:08, 19 June 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Snecel (talkcontribs) 22:54, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 01:21, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

User:Gurwlsww

Still a vandal, can you help? SpaceFlight89 (talk) 16:44, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 18:08, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Phantom Lapboard

Hi

I am the current CEO if Phantom Entertainment and my posts to the "Phantom Lapboard" are getting deleted. Can you please advise what I need to do to update the info on our pages?

Thank You,

John Landino Phei.comeback (talk) 02:00, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 02:03, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Deleted....??

Why did you delete Daniel Berman? Is he not significant enough for you? Just because he doesn't mean anything to you doesn't mean he means nothing to everyone else. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 0yia (talkcontribs) 02:01, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 02:07, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

First Selectman

Really? How blind and dumb are you? It stated that he was running for first selectman of our town. Does wikipedia only think people running for more "important" offices are good enough to be included on its website? I don't see it as such a great source anyway... why not let even people running for the lowliest offices be considered important? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Concernedcook (talkcontribs) 13:34, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 15:58, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Could you close this?

Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/Dharok1337 User's only contributions are creating the RFA and answering the questions for it. Abce2|Free LemonadeOnly 25 cents 16:03, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Never mind. Abce2|Free LemonadeOnly 25 cents 16:04, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

RE

No problem.--WillC 21:07, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Efusjon deletion.

Good evening. I do not understand why the Efusjon page would be deemed not notable. It would seem that providing un-biased information for people to make a real informed decision would be useful against a potential scam.

Not only is it a REAL MLM, which admits to using the matrix compensation plan, I provided links to official pages by the company that verify the content of the Efusjon page I tried to post. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ericba (talkcontribs)

Replied on your talk page. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 00:07, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

help plz

why did you delete my post .. please help me — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trauboth (talkcontribs)

Replied on your talk page. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 22:50, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

please post it again the text..

but im writing about a real person.. proberly the best in the world.. ill add redrences and so on .. but my text is now GONE .. please put it in and give me 24 hours and i will have pictures, links, fotos and so on.(Trauboth (talk) 22:56, 26 June 2009 (UTC))(Trauboth (talk) 23:02, 26 June 2009 (UTC))

Replied on your talk page. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 23:08, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

thanks for keeping the article..

just very new at this sorry for the inconveninc.

trauboth Trauboth (talk) 23:13, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

sorry for the problems.. i will correct it so it meets your guide lines. best regards Dennis Ingemann Decastro aka. Trauboth (talk) 23:16, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

just reading through the notes and it says im writing about my self .. wich im not. is there a like to writing bio about a player from my contry .. do you have a link to the rules that apply.. Dennis Ingemann Decastro Trauboth (talk) 23:23, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

wrote the whole story

wrote the hole story. with links and so on. D. Ingemann aka. Trauboth (talk) 01:19, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

can you move my article to main

i have finished the article but could you please move it into main. i simply cant get it to work best regards

D.Ingemann aka. (Trauboth (talk) 01:36, 27 June 2009 (UTC))

Replied on your talk page. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 18:21, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Are You My Daddy?

User:Gogo-dada <- Someone appears to think you are. Should that be usernameblocked? -WarthogDemon 19:33, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 20:39, 27 June 2009 (UTC)


Thanks

I'm kind of new (as you can tell), and I'm trying to teach myself how to use anti-vandal tools. I'll remember to use it in the future. :-) --Serveux (talk) 07:32, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 18:19, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Okay

I'll take your comment into account. Thanks.--The Legendary Sky Attacker 07:34, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Is there a fast way of substituting templates?--The Legendary Sky Attacker 08:58, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 18:15, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Topology - expansion material

Thanks, and well done working out where I meant to put it. How did you know, can you read minds? SpinningSpark 18:48, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 18:56, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
I know you already have a heap of these but;
The Barnstar of Diligence
For going that extra mile when you didn't have to. Due diligence before deleting and then some. SpinningSpark 19:24, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Gary Carr (Actor)

Hey, if you don't mind could you have a look at this article? I'm not sure that it qualifies for speedy deletion, and a prod was removed by the author (who has an extreme COI and has no edits outside this vanity page). Should this now be taken to AfD? -T'Shael, Lord of the Vulcans 18:49, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 18:59, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Alright, thanks. -T'Shael, Lord of the Vulcans 19:00, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Message from Bobmonkey98

Why did you delete my bob monkey enterprises page? it was not blatant advertising. Please tell me what to do to have it deemed ok by you and wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobmonkey98 (talkcontribs) 22:29, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 04:43, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Redmond, Washington page

Why remove the information on council candidates? This is useful information. If it's not on Misplaced Pages, it will be nowhere as the city doesn't have a list of candidates. And, certainly, this sort of information is in many other places on Misplaced Pages. I agree that the fact that Kim Allen is running for re-election doesn't belong in the list of current council members (but not because it's COI -- I don't care who put it in). RoyLeban (talk) 06:05, 29 June 2009 (UTC)