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GAR of Exploration of Jupiter

Exploration of Jupiter has been nominated for a good article reassessment. Articles are typically reviewed for one week. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to good article quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Reviewers' concerns are here.

Myōjin Yahiko

Its been long since Sagara Sanosuke became GA, but I finally edited the Myojin Yahiko article adding refs, exp lead, reception, creation, etc. I dont know if my grammar is better right now, but I made all the fixes you mentioned while fixing the Sanosuke article. Could you make a copy-edit to see if it can goes to GA. I was also thinking about getting the main series article, Rurouni Kenshin, to GA, but that one is too long and the one from Yahiko is shorter. Tell me if you can and take your time. Regards.Tintor2 (talk) 02:31, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

OK, I will look at it. Regards, —Mattisse (Talk) 02:34, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks.Tintor2 (talk) 14:36, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Hope what I did was helpful! Regards, —Mattisse (Talk) 23:55, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks^_^.Tintor2 (talk) 23:57, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

It became GA. Thanks for the copy-edit.Tintor2 (talk) 15:32, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm very happy to hear that. Congratulations! Regards, —Mattisse (Talk) 15:37, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Colonel Homer

Thank you very much for your edits to the article! :) TheLeftorium 22:44, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

You are welcome. I am wondering if some of the info is necessary, like the long description of the writer's experience in the movie theater which don't seem quite the same as the Simpson plot. Regards, —Mattisse (Talk) 22:50, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Hmm.. I guess you're right about that. I'll try to shorten it down. Are there any other information that seem unnecessary? TheLeftorium 22:52, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

I'll let you know if there are. I just removed a sentence, "Cartwright said the character designers had fun designing the musicians in the episode." -as it didn't say anything specific about how or what they enjoyed. Regards, —Mattisse (Talk) 22:59, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

OK, thanks. TheLeftorium 23:01, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Plan

New project

I've started work on Matthew Boulton who is not a California politician, on a fast track trying to get it past FAC by 17 August, the bicentennial of his death. I've only done a couple of sections so far, but I think it should go well. I have a couple of books, have ordered one more, and a couple of news articles. Oddly, he's had very few bios written about him.--Wehwalt (talk) 17:06, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

OK. Right now I am working on On the Origin of Species. Where do you find these people? —Mattisse ([[User :

There was an article on him in World Coin News a couple of months ago, to which I am a subscriber. Then I recently noticed the bicentennial. Guaranteed TFA if I can get it to FA, I think! Don't hurry, it will take me a couple of weeks to write the article, with the limited time I can devote to it.--Wehwalt (talk) 17:45, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

What is your obsession with TFA? Just the narcissistic pleasure? Are you aiming for a record? —Mattisse (Talk) 17:58, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

I think it is all about looking for a niche here. I started off badly at TFA/R, but I've developed into a sort of arbiter of the points system.--Wehwalt (talk) 18:05, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Must be the attorney in you. Definitely a better niche than mine. —Mattisse (Talk) 18:12, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

I wouldn't say that, you have far more people who have come to your defense than would come to mine.--Wehwalt (talk) 18:23, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

But you don't do things that need defending. Besides, I came to your defense, the one time you seemed to have needed it. —Mattisse (Talk) 18:31, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Now, I avoid conflict. But when Jena Six was in the news, there were nasty discussions on talk page, before the other editors eventually got bored. And I withdrew from Rachel Corrie because I couldn't stand the constant bickering. Thanks for your support that time, by the way. That was a nasty RfA.--Wehwalt (talk) 18:41, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, now I am using your strategy and avoiding conflict. I'm sick of it and would rather work on articles in peace. Besides, I don't have enough of a legal mind to argue successfully. —Mattisse (Talk) 18:45, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Golos Truda GAN

Ciao Mattisse, good to hear from you again.Sorry I have taken so long to reply to your message, I am travelling with little internet access until the 20th. If it's not to much trouble to off finishing up the GA review for the Golos Truda article until next week I would be most appreciative. Thanks for your work so far. Mahalo, ] 22:50, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

That's fine. No hurry. Enjoy yourself! Regards, —Mattisse (Talk) 22:59, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Arthur Eve GAC

Come look at the progress.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 14:38, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

I have added more comments. Regards, —Mattisse (Talk) 16:15, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

I have replied.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 19:53, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Further guidance would be appreciated.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 21:03, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

I suggest that you look at other political biographies. The reviewer of GA1 suggested a couple and I suggested one in GA2. Another is Ron Paul which is more strictly political in content, but you can see how it is more that just a listing of his political activities. If you want, I can ask for a second opinion from someone like Malleus. Regards, —Mattisse (Talk) 21:36, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Re: Cyclone Nancy

Thanks for the review, I've replied to all your comments. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 19:01, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Ok, will look! Regards, —Mattisse (Talk) 19:15, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

You have been nominated for membership of the Established Editors Association

The Established editors association will be a kind of union of who have made substantial and enduring (and reliably sourced) contributions to the encyclopedia for a period of time (say, two years or more). The proposed articles of association are here - suggestions welcome.

If you wish to be elected, please notify me here. If you know of someone else who may be eligible, please nominate them here

Discussion is here.Peter Damian (talk) 19:10, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Nereus (underwater vehicle)

On June 17, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Nereus (underwater vehicle), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Elephant endotheliotropic herpesvirus

Thanks for the comments - I've made some amendments.

If you do have anything else to bring up, I'd be more than happy to have a go at it, but I'm going to be away until Saturday evening, so I can't promise I'll be able to do anything useful before then! Shimgray | talk | 22:15, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

I think my concerns have been addressed. Nice article. Regards, —Mattisse (Talk) 22:18, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! Shimgray | talk | 22:33, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Arthur Eve

Just a quick note; if you feel at any point that you'd prefer to back away from the Arthur Eve GA review then I'd be quite happy to take it over from you, or perhaps one of your advisors? In any event don't let it stress you. :-) --Malleus Fatuorum 23:19, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I would like that. I want to see a good way of handling these situations and you could model that for me. I do feel unsure about how to proceed. Regards, —Mattisse (Talk) 23:32, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

If you want me take over the review then just post a note saying so on the review page and I'll take it from there. I'm certain that you'd do the same for me if the situation was reversed. --Malleus Fatuorum 23:48, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm getting about ready to close this review now Mattisse; just a couple of issues outstanding. Perhaps you'd like to take a look through my summary of what I think remains to be done, and if you think there's anything else maybe add it? Naturally I'll take any and all flak, but your opinion on the article now, either here or in the article's review page would be appreciated, at least by me. --Malleus Fatuorum 22:23, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

It is certainly much improved and I agree with your judgment. (It still seems strange that his birth place is unknown.) Thank you so much for taking this review over! Regards, —Mattisse (Talk) 23:02, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

That does seem strange, I agree, but public figures are often less than open about certain aspects of their private lives. I've got no doubt that Eve's place of birth coukd be established pretty easily, but unless we can provide a citation to a reliable source which has taken the trouble to do the investigation then it's just OR, not allowed by the rules of engagement here on wikipedia, as you know. And as this article is a BLP we need to be doubly careful. Anyway, thanks for taking another look through it; if you'd still had major reservations I would have failed the article. --Malleus Fatuorum 23:16, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. I appreciate the very thorough job you did! Regards, —Mattisse (Talk) 23:31, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

My last thought, and probably a presumptious one, so forgive me. It seems to me Mattisse that you've succeeded with this review in doing exactly what ArbCom, if they have any sense at all, ought to be requiring of you. I hope they were watching. :-) --Malleus Fatuorum 23:44, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

FYI, I decided not to list this article as a GA. --Malleus Fatuorum 22:50, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know the outcome. Regards, —Mattisse (Talk) 01:25, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi

Hi, sorry to trouble you Mattisse. I don't believe that we have interacted before but have noticed your name about wikipedia. I have heard (or read) that you are particularly skilled at copy editing on articles. I am wondering if you would be able to perhaps help out at the benzodiazepine article? I don't know who else is particularly skilled in this area on wikipedia but if you can't help me out perhaps you could point me to other people who could help out? Best regards. :)--Literaturegeek | T@1k? 22:35, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Some quick background, issues with references and most other issues have been resolved, copy editing has been done by several editors but reviewers keep finding several problems with the article and no matter how hard I or others try there is always "something" which remains to be done, so really think we need a skilled copyeditor to give the final nudge to FA status. :)--Literaturegeek | T@1k? 22:39, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

I can go through it strictly as a copy editor, not addressing content or referencing. Can't guarantee success though. Regards, —Mattisse (Talk) 22:53, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

That is just what I need Matissa! I would really appreciate it. Content has already been debated and resolved pretty much, newer secondary sources, elimination of primary sources etc, all done. :) Thank you. :)--Literaturegeek | T@1k? 23:26, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

I will continue tomorrow, as I am too tired tonight. Regards, —Mattisse (Talk) 01:07, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. :) Impressive so far Mattisse. :) It is amazing how much redundancy and needed copyediting is easily missed. One comment, you put a comma before the word "and". Is that American thing? I was always taught not to do that when in school in UK, just curious.--Literaturegeek | T@1k? 17:42, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

I usually don't put a comma before the last "and". There was one sentence where I added it in that situation because the context seemed possibly a little confusing, but its a judgement call so remove it if you think it is unneeded. It's an interesting article, a thorough explanation of the drug. I enjoyed reading it! Regards, —Mattisse (Talk) 17:49, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh right ok, no probs. :) I have replied to you on the talk page of beno article. Thank you for positive feedback on the article.--Literaturegeek | T@1k? 15:08, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

Hi Mattisse, thank you for your guidance and understanding with the Ramprasad Sen article, and for helping make Misplaced Pages a positive experience! Regards, Priyanath  23:16, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

You are very welcome, as I believe your article deserves recognition. Regards, —Mattisse (Talk) 01:08, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the GAR, I feel that the article has improved since & I learnt quite a few things from the GAR. Thank you. --Nvineeth (talk) 06:58, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Also, thanks very much for all the polishing of On the Origin of Species to successfully bring it through FAC. Much appreciated, dave souza, talk 18:46, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

You are very welcome. It was a pleasure! Regards, —Mattisse (Talk) 19:01, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Chitradurga Fort

Hi!Mattisse,

Since you gave me a tutorial about 18 months back on how to sign, I have made progress in posting articles on Misplaced Pages. My earliest one was on Kadamba tree which you had started long back. After that you have reviewed a number of my articles on DYK talkpage. I have now prepared an expanded version of the stub article Chitradurga Fort in my sand box page User:Nvvchar/sandbox, which you had started quite some time back. I have now expanded it by more than five times. I thought it proper to request you nominate this article (if you find it in order) on DYK with a suitable Hook. I will transfer it to the main article after hearing from you. Thank you.--Nvvchar (talk) 08:05, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

I am unsure how to move the article out of your user space to replace the old article with the same title. If you just pasted it over, you would lose all of your edit history for the article. Have you thought of a way to do that? I would be happy to co-nominate it and give it a hook. —Mattisse (Talk) 15:04, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

• Thanks. I have pasted the enlarged article on the existing stub page of the Chitradurga Fort, as a start stage article. It does not disturb the History, since, in the Sandbox, only my name appears. You may kindly co-nominate with a hook and also an image of the fort.--Nvvchar (talk) 02:15, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

The DYK has been cleared but I don't understand the remark which says "You seemed to have placed a reference within the body of the article, was this the intent?". Shall I say yes or would you like to reply? I have also read your observations on my User page. Thanks. Since I have seen most of my country as part of my service life, I suppose I can contribute articles on a number of subjects. Are there any stub articles on India which you want me to expand for our joint nomination?Thanks and Regards--Nvvchar (talk) 09:07, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't understand the remark at DYK either. Maybe you should ask what is meant? I haven't worked on articles for India for a long time. The water and energy issues are particularly interesting. I tried to do some articles on the river systems and found it is quite complex. That is something we could think about. I was impressed at how creative and proactive India is in dealing with energy problems. (I change the Chitradurga Fort article to the way I had it before, but feel free to modify it to your preference!) Regards, —Mattisse (Talk) 12:02, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for making the revert. The DYK is through now. I will think about the issues you have mentioned to post artciles.--Nvvchar (talk) 01:14, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Talkback

List of skin-related conditions

I have been working on this list for the past several months, and, if available, wanted to know if you would give me some feedback? I am thinking about nominating it for FA status in the next couple months, and would appreciate your input. Regardless, thank you for your work on wikipedia! ---kilbad (talk) 17:38, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm not a good person to ask, since I am not that familiar with skin conditions and I also don't know much about lists. I have never even copy edited a list. I notice that the article has an "A" rating. Good luck! Regards, —Mattisse (Talk) 18:13, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Some thanks for your help

I appreciated your hlep in getting a couple of evolution related articles to FA, and I decided to give you:

		The Bio-star
		For contributions in getting History of evolutionary thought and On the Origin of Species to FA status. Rusty Cashman (talk) 20:21, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

I was going to give you yet another copy-editor barstar but this seems better somehow. Rusty Cashman (talk) 20:21, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you so very much! —Mattisse (Talk) 20:40, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

		The Origins Award
		Thanks for all the fish, Mattisse, and for doing so much to improve On the Origin of Species. . . dave souza, talk 11:07, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! A pleasure for me. —Mattisse (Talk) 19:26, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Senate election article

Do you think you can hold your nose and do some copyediting on United States Senate election in California, 1950?--Wehwalt (talk) 11:05, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

I tried. But I ran into "party officials" in the lead, and could not go any further! Regards, —Mattisse (Talk) 23:19, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh. Sorry. How about Matthew Boulton, then?--Wehwalt (talk) 16:58, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Boulton is now at FAC, possibly a bit early but I think I can clean up the sawdust and mess faster than they can find it.--Wehwalt (talk) 12:31, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

GA Sweeps

Hello, I was wondering if you would be willing to assist with the GA Sweeps process. We are currently looking over all of the GAs passed before August 2007 and determining if they still meet the criteria. After beginning with 2,808 articles we are now down to less than 900. Last month we had rapid progress, clearing over 300 articles. You've done a great job with the GA process, and with your contributions to so many GANs, I believe you would be a great reviewer for Sweeps. We are trying to complete the process in the next few months, and the best way to meet that goal is to have as many experienced reviewers as possible. I've given up reviewing GANs until this process is over, but you are under no obligation to do so. If you're interested in reviewing some articles, even if its only a few, it would be greatly appreciated. Instructions can be seen here. If you have any questions, let me know. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 21:52, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

GA Review

Hello, I heard that you reviewed GA nominees. If you have the time I would like you to start the review for Dwight D. Eisenhower and Sam Brownback. Thanks! --ilamb94 (talk) 20:54, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I generally avoid English-speaking politicians! Regards, —Mattisse (Talk) 20:57, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

That’s alright, thanks anyway! --ilamb94 (talk) 21:03, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Politicians speak English? News to me.--Wehwalt (talk) 14:01, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

sorry again

sorry again that I dropped out of the mentoring thing. Had to... Ling.Nut (talk) 15:25, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

That's ok. I still consider you "in". I implemented your suggestion of a list of "stressful situations" and doing so has already been useful to me. There is plenty of time for you to help me out more. I value your judgment. Regards, —Mattisse (Talk) 15:31, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Chitradurga Fort

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Boulton

I think I've cleaned up what you were concerned about. "Manufacturer" is no longer used in place of "Boulton" and I got rid of a bunch of the uses of his name, substituting generally "he". Would it matter if he was an author, seamstress, or astronaut or something else shorter than manufacturererer?--Wehwalt (talk) 14:01, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

This is just my opinion but I do not like any alternative terms for the main person the article is about. In one of your California politician articles, your referred to the same person as "the attorney", "the Californian" (despite there being other Californians and attorneys in the article), "the political strategist" etc. I do not find other articles on people doing this. I may be wrong, but I find it confusing. It always causes me to stop and think: who is being referred to here? Regards, —Mattisse (Talk) 14:40, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Fair enough, but then I got people complaining I was using the name too much. Rock and a hard place. I think it comes from me writing one sentence at a time, and my seventh grade English teacher always said, have a subject in your sentences ...--Wehwalt (talk) 15:07, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Idea for project

You know, you keep telling me to look for another Speer, and I think I've found one. I was reading a book about Khrushchev's visit to the US in 1959, and he seems to have been a very conflicted character. He ended his career, in retirement by writing his memoirs against the demands of the KGB and having them smuggled to the West to be published. As it happens, I am going to Moscow in August, though I doubt it will be much help to the article. But he could be incredibly charming, and he could be a total jerk. Might be worth doing, though I'd have to get in a fair number of references.--Wehwalt (talk) 14:31, 27 June 2009 (UTC)--Wehwalt (talk) 14:31, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

This sounds promising! I don't know much about Khrushchev other than he was always portrayed as a lout, banging his shoe on a table. It stands to reason that he must have been a complex character as he headed the USSR during a complicated time in its history, a time that in retrospect should probably be re-examined in light of what happened later. In reading various articles on Russia, I always am learning things that I did not know.

Perhaps Khrushchev had an interesting relationship with his wife, as I remember her being mentioned in an era when wives, never mind Soviet wives were not showcased. And there must be plenty of material. I did not know about the autobiography. Dasha by the Black Sea? I know little about the complexities of Soviet politics of the time. My brother sent me a book on recently released files on Cuba, including the Cuban missile crisis and the relationship between Castro and Khrushchev then. Regards, —Mattisse (Talk) 14:55, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Apparently he was allowed to keep two homes, a dasha, and a house in Moscow. This was unusual, usually when Soviet bigwigs were retired, they either (ahem) died, or else were forced to be an "ordinary citizen". I'm not sure where the dasha was. At least according to the book on K's visit to the US, which has an afterword, he was very remorseful about his role in Stalin's crimes, and when his grandson was asked what his grandfather did in retirement, he said, "Grandfather cries". And when he came to America, there was an unprecedented media frenzy. I'm going to start looking for good references. I don't know that I will start serious work until I finish Boulton and get the Nixon election articles out of the way. But I have a good feeling about this one. As for the wife, she was rather outspoken for a Soviet wife, from what I could see from the book I read (most were thick in the body, thick in the head, and spoke about as much as a wooden doll).--Wehwalt (talk) 15:05, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

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Probably speaking out of line

I'm almost certainly speaking out of line here Mattisse, so I hope you'll forgive me, but my comment is prompted by a recent change you made to your ArbCom plan, which caused me to read it again.

Like you, if I'd found myself in the position that you now do—something that is not altogether implausible—I wouldn't have the faintest idea where to start, so I fully understand why you've crafted your plan as you have. But it seems to leave little room for your dignity, or to make it clear that you're in charge of events, not your mentors. If this plan goes tits up it won't be your mentors who get bollocked, it'll be you. Just my unsolicited opinion, feel free to ignore it. --Malleus Fatuorum 20:37, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Could you be more specific? At this point, it is very hard for me to evaluate the plan. It seems that much of the criticism is that the plan is too easy on me. However, I do trust the judgment of those on my mentor list. Would you be willing to be placed back on the list? Regards, —Mattisse (Talk) 20:47, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

You know that I value your contributions here far more than I care about our past disagreements, but the role of your mentors really does need to be clarified; at the very least, is is passive or active? I've always been happy to help anyone who asks for my help, but I'm most definitely not any kind of policeman. If I were in your position I'd try to recast my plan into a form showing what I planned to do or not to do, not what my mentors were permitted to do to me. I'm just commenting from my own perspective though, so don't take anything I say as gospel. --Malleus Fatuorum 20:57, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

I have tried to compromise. It is far less harsh and demeaning than User:Moni3/Mattisse stewards arbcom / User talk:Moni3/Mattisse stewards arbcom. I have tried to incorporate suggestions of the others. Sections such as Behavioral rules and Coping techiques are meant to address what I will do. I have to trust in my mentors to do right by me. From the reactions to Tony1's charges at I hope whatever plas this is works, I feel that my mentors will be fair. What do you think I should modify? I really hesitated to put punishments in there, but I did so to compromise with my critics. Regards, —Mattisse (Talk) 21:17, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

I hesitate to rock the boat, as it appears that your plan is likely to be acceptable to the arbitrators, which is all that matters now. My concern is really that you don't perceive yourself, and neither do others, as a naughty child that needs to be watched and may need to be punished. Basically all I'm saying is that I want to be sure that you emerge from this with your dignity intact. --Malleus Fatuorum 21:50, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

I trust my mentors and would be especially confident in them if you were willing to be added back to the list. I feel my dignity is intact. I did make errors in the past, I admit that, and I do not intend to repeat them. But I am editing basically as I always have, just avoiding articles by certain editors. Since it is a small group, that is easy to do. Plus, just in general, I am not doing the FAC editing I used to do. I prefer GA anyway, except for editors/articles I especially like. Do you see it otherwise? —Mattisse (Talk) 22:08, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

No, I don't see it otherwise; there are certain editors I avoid as well, and I'm quite certain we all do that. Perhaps your plan could be as simple as continuing to do what you've already been doing since the ArbCom case started, and simply outlining what that is? I don't know any more than you do about how ArbCom works, perhaps even less, but so long as you're happy with your plan there's no problem. --Malleus Fatuorum 22:48, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

That is essentially my plan. I don't feel "crimped". So, are you declining my invitation to join? I think it is a congenial group. —Mattisse (Talk) 23:02, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

No, I'm not declining your invitation. I'm just reiterating my view that the group should not have a monitoring role; that's something I point blank refuse to get involved with. You have a bunch of good people you can call on for guidance and help when you feel that you need it, and hopefully you think I'm one of those, but I don't want to get involved in discussions about sanctions and all the rest of the bollox that will inevitably surround your plan. I'll support you just as I would any other valuable editor, whether I'm on your list of mentors or not. Or even, dare I say it, whether I'm on your "plague list" or not. :-) --Malleus Fatuorum 23:32, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

OK. I don't think it will devolve to that, but I understand your point. I do consider you a person I can call on, thankfully. Regards, —Mattisse (Talk) 23:52, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Wait a minute! You are NOT declining! That means I can add you? —Mattisse (Talk) 23:58, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Questions at case proposed decision talk page

Mattisse, I've posted some questions here. If you could find time to answer those and contact the people you have listed on your plan, that would help move the case forward. Thanks. Carcharoth (talk) 11:15, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Naruto Uzumaki

This article has already had some good work throughout this years, but has not been nominated to GA due to minor doubts about grammar. A user has already made some copy-edit, but there are still. Could you check it up if you have some free time? It's a bit longer than Yahiko's article, but it seems to have been worked more in prose. Regards.Tintor2 (talk) 19:40, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Here is Ling.Nut

• Here is Ling.Nut. Ling.Nut (talk) 02:00, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

My advice, for what it's worth

My advice, for what it's worth, is to remove the section you've added about "aspersions cast by Tony1". I can see that you firmly believe in the truth of what you're saying, but it's really sending out the wrong message IMO, or is at best open to misinterpretation. Some may view it as a getting your excuses in first, for instance, a reluctance to accept your own responsibility for events. Sometimes it's best just to bite your tongue. --Malleus Fatuorum 15:41, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

I understand your point. Yet aspersions cast on me is the basis of almost the entire case against me in the Major Depression RFC, the ANI leading to the Arbitration, and the Arbitration itself. If this type of behavior was not routine regarding me, there would not have an arbitration covering my three years at Misplaced Pages based on only a kernal of legitimate incidents, which I acknowledge, but the preponderance of "evidence" was in the category of "aspersions cast by Tony1". His casting of aspersions, although without merit, are repeated over and over by those editors vested in my down fall, then taken up and reiterated by their affiliates/cohorts. Even after the entire legitimacy of the original aspersion is disproved, no one bothers to look into the facts afterward. This is a very serious situation and is the core of my problems on Misplaced Pages. If it cannot be stopped, if people cannot be held responsible when then cast aspersions, as I have been, then this whole arbitration has a double standard and is hopeless. That fact may as well be acknowledged now, before we waste any more time on it. Have you ever really gone through the reams of evidence against me to see if it was valid? Those that have, like SilkTorn, see that largely it is not. Did you know that RFC1 and RFC2 against me were entirely without merit? Regards, —Mattisse (Talk) 16:38, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

The important issue here is the impression you're giving of how you react to such perceived injustices, and an unwillingness to let the past be the past. How long ago was RfC1, for instance? Don't offer people rocks and them complain when they throw them at you. Nothing can change what's happened, but you can at least influence what's going to happen. I'm just offering my opinion though, perhaps others may see more merit in this apparent refusal to let bygones be bygones than I do. --Malleus Fatuorum 16:51, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Signed up

A minute ago --Philcha (talk) 18:47, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Mesoscale convective system

I made comments on the GAN page three days ago, which haven't been responded to. I need clarification concerning one of your points, and if I have satisfied your other concerns. Thegreatdr (talk) 19:26, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Mattisse

This arbitration case has been closed and the final decision is available at the link above.

• Within 15 days of this decision, Mattisse shall, in conjunction with one or more mentors or advisers, submit to this Committee for approval a plan to govern and guide her future editing with the continued assistance of those mentors or advisers. The plan shall seek to preserve Mattisse's valuable and rewarding contributions to Misplaced Pages while avoiding future disputes and the types of interactions that have been hurtful for herself and others. As a starting point in developing the plan, Mattisse and her mentors or advisors should consider the suggestions made by various users on the workshop page of this case, including but not limited to Mattisse's taking wikibreaks at times of stress, avoiding or limiting Mattisse's participation on certain pages, Mattisse's refraining from making any comments regarding the motivations or good faith of other users, and Mattisse's disengaging from interactions that become stressful or negative. The plan should also address how any lapses by Mattisse from the standards of behavior described in the plan shall be addressed.
• User:Mattisse/Plan (version as of 24 June) is enacted as a baseline. Amendments to the plan may occur by consensus of the mentors, whereby the changes become provisional. At the discretion of the mentors, or if there are significant objections by the community, the provisional changes will be reviewed by the Arbitration Committee at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Amendment.
• Should Mattisse fail to submit a satisfactory plan under remedy 1 within 15 days of this decision, she shall not edit Misplaced Pages until she does so, except with permission of this Committee.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Tiptoety 04:11, 1 July 2009 (UTC)