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Case Opened on 19:09, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Case Closed on 20:01, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Watchlist all case pages: 1, 2, 3, 4

Please do not edit this page directly unless you wish to become a participant in this case. Only add a statement here after the case has begun if you are named as a party; otherwise, your statement may be placed on the talk page, and will be read in full. Evidence, no matter who can provide it, is very welcome at /Evidence. Evidence is more useful than comments.

Arbitrators, the parties, and other editors may suggest proposed principles, findings, and remedies at /Workshop. That page may also be used for general comments on the evidence. Arbitrators will then vote on a final decision in the case at /Proposed decision.

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Involved parties

futurebird (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Dbachmann (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Ramdrake (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Warlordjohncarter (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Deeceevoice (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Bakasuprman (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Requests for comment

Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Dbachmann 3

Statement by futurebird

Dbachmann has been condescending to me and to other users: , , , During a talk page argument at Afrocentricity over material Dbachmann deteled from the article, Dbachmann posted a link to a nearly two year old case on deeceevoice in order to "shame" her. Later Dbachmann openly asked another admin to look in to a block for him. (see: , ) He said that he could not do it himself because of his own incivility. Although he did not use his admin powers directly, he used his influence as an admin, his long standing membership in the community, and his reputation for making many positive contributions to take out his anger on another user. The user was initially blocked for a year for actions that are at worst on par with Dbachmann's actions and, in the opinion of a fair number of users, not even as egregious. (the block was first reduced, then lifted. since so many users objected) I am concerned about what appears to be an unfair double standard as well as Dbachmann's unwillingness to engage in any form of mediation to help bring this matter to a healthy close.

Response to Debachmann

A few questions since you do not understand what the problem is.

Do you think deeceevoice was blocked fairly?
Do you take any responsibility for her being blocked?
Is there anything that you might have done differently when editing the Afrocentricity article, or do you think you will continue to do such things in the future? futurebird 19:46, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Few more questions:

"and assorted pov-pushers ganging up against me" who are the assorted pov-pushers? Please name them and show diffs.
The Afrocentricity aricle was in the process' of improving when you stopped by. It is now in much better shape. (Though far from perfect) Many of the changes you reverted and called POV pushing at the time now stand, better sourced, and I think they will be there for the long haul. How did your reverts and talk page style of interaction help this article?futurebird 18:55, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
On the talk page you said in one of your first posts "the article needs to state up front that this is about a racialist ideology, not an academic hypothesis" Do you still think this is true, or is it only part of the story? When you put this idea out there, what did you base your statement on? futurebird 19:01, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Statement by Dbachmann

I have been notified of this. Beyond violation of Misplaced Pages:Mild condescension, I find it difficult to understand what I am accused of. See User_talk:Dbachmann#WP:CEM for my (patient, civil, but mildly annoyed) replies to futurebird's complaints. I am not aware of any complaints regarding "abuse of power". On the RfC page, we can read futurebird arguing that

"although he did not use his admin powers directly, he used his influence as an admin, his long standing membership in the community, and his reputation for making many positive contributions to take out his anger on another user. That is abuse of power."

well, this is my understanding of Misplaced Pages as a meritocracy. I am being accused of being a veteran editor in excellent standing, then, and, indirectly, of the fact that Deeceevoice's standing isn't all that excellent? That's a rather astounding feat of rhetorics then... According to this line of argument, we should conclude that we should offer positive discrimination to slashdot trolls, because, hey, their reputation as trolls gives them considerable disadvantage in getting their voice heard on Misplaced Pages. If the arbcom decides to consider this case, I would like to include Bakasuprman (talk · contribs) as a party, who took the opportunity of the RfC under discussion to continue his year-old (actually, biannarian) campaign of harassment against me. I do not feel I simply have to silently accept protracted campaigns of character assassination. If I have not protested against this harassment before, that is because I did never think it worth the effort. dab (𒁳) 19:39, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

regarding the allegations of "systematic" insertion of "my" unsourced point of view made recently by bloodofox (below) and pigman (on the rfc): these are allegations that I am very much interested in discussing (as opposed to fuzzy complaints about civility issues designed for character assassination, and assorted pov-pushers ganging up against me because, after all, life would be so much easier for them without people enforcing policy on obscure articles). No arbitration is required to assist in such a discussion: I fully endorse Misplaced Pages policy regarding original research, and indeed I keep repeating it at people to the point of debility. Obviously, in the tens of thousands of edits I made to Misplaced Pages articles, I have made factual mistakes. Such mistakes I am anxious to rectify immediately as soon as they are pointed out to me. Bloodofox's complaint is motivated by a recent exchange here, and Pigman's by one here (in articles where they each have a vested interest, I might add). In both cases, I have been perfectly willing to discuss my edits constructively and adapt them informed by criticism. I have no idea why anyone would wish to relate these perfectly regular content disputes to the case at hand, unless we decide this is going to be a free-for-all "what we don't like about dab" roundabout. I would also like to add that if people have to dig for diffs literally 10,000s of edits down in my contribution history in order to make me look bad, I must actually be doing a much better job at being politically correct than I myself suspected. Incidentially, I believe that deeceevoice's asking that people be held to "higher standards" than her own is a joke: any admin even remotely approaching her own "standard" would be torn to pieces on AN/I within the hour. dab (𒁳) 13:29, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
in reply to FloNight, I would like to point out that no "attempts at dispute resolution have failed", a fortiori, since there is no dispute that could be resolved. At no point does this "case" involve any content dispute. Rather, I submit the astounding possibility that it is designed to distract from questions of content (a.k.a. "filibustering", "wikilawyering"). What this "case" comprises are allegations of "power abuse" on my part ("powers" of an undivulged nature, perhaps my famed but unproven ectoplasmatic powers), and the complaint that I have "condescendingly" pointed to an active arbcom restriction on deeceevoice, thus "shaming" her (as opposed to pitifully ineffective attempts to shame me by referring to a 2005 comment of mine which had been reviewed by the arbcom in February 2006, without consequence (except perhaps non-consensus to commend me for my efforts). dab (𒁳) 14:23, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Statement by User:Warlordjohncarter

I also was involved in the RfC but did not receive any notice. I ascribe this to the fact that Futurebird has stated that she was not sure exactly how to file an ArbCom case, not necessarily to any malicious intent. I also agree that I have seen no evidence whatsoever that Dbachmann has abused any admin powers. The sole basis for this request, so far as I can tell, is the question of Dbachmann's civility toward some other users. Dbachmann himself has pointed out that lack of civility is not limited to just him in many of these discussions, and, if this case is to proceed, I believe that the actions of several other people involved, probably including myself, although I really hope I haven't done anything to demand censure, would be within the scope of this request. However, as a purely personal judgement, I am not at all sure myself that the actions of Dbachmann necessarily are such that they rise to the level of ArbCom review. But, luckily for me, it's not my call, it's the call of the members of the committee, who I thank for responding to this and all the other matters brought before them. John Carter 20:53, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Statement by User:Ramdrake

I emphatically agree with User:Futurebird I have seen Dbachmann egregiously and repeatedly violate Misplaced Pages policy on at least two articles: Afrocentrism and Race of Ancient Egyptians. He has been uncivil yes, but also has launched into personal attacks and revert-warring, all this purportedly in the name of upholding policy. What I believe should be looked into is the seriousness of his breaches of policy as ocmpared to the potential breaches of policy he says he's trying to prevent. Basically, most of his defense for his behavior is that "the end justifies the means". My contention is that the violations of policy he has committed are way more serious than those he pretends to help avoid (if they indeed exist), worse that his behavior, rather than helping correcting problems, actually amplifies the very problems he tries to correct. I will, however, give him the benefit of the doubt that he genuinely believes he is helping Misplaced Pages by acting the way he does. In this matter, the opinions of experienced, neutral third parties such as the Arbitration Committee members may help him see that his behaviour is actually not helping the project when he starts edit warring and being dismissive of his fellow editors.--Ramdrake 15:28, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Also, in response to Dbachmann's statement which says there is no content dispute to mediate, I would then point to these two instances of edit-warring on Dbachmann's part (taken from the RfC). I wonder, why if there is no content dispute, he edit-warred over these changes:

Examples of edit-warring:

1-12:36 (Afrocentrism)

2-13:01 (Afrocentrism)

3-13:43 (Afrocentrism)

4-14:00 (Afrocentrism)

(another example, stopped at 3 RV because the article was protected)

1-19:15 (Race_of_ancient_Egyptians)

2-12:44 (Race_of_ancient_Egyptians)

3-13:42 (Race_of_ancient_Egyptians)

--Ramdrake 14:56, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Statement by User:Shot_info

Having encountered Dbachmann in elvish linguistics (of all things) in the past, the only experience I have ever had of him is of an excellent wikipedian. This RfArb only confirms for me one thing - if you edit Misplaced Pages for any length of time - having an RfArb started up against you (and accepted) is inevitable. And once you have an RfArb started up, it's pot-luck on the outcome. Shot info (talk) 04:46, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Preliminary decisions

Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter (4/0/0/0)

Accept to examine the behavior of all parties. Kirill 02:27, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Accept. Mackensen (talk) 15:01, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Accept, attempts at dispute resolution have not worked. FloNight ♥♥♥ 17:05, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Accept. James F. (talk) 19:25, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Temporary injunction (none)

Final decision

All numbering based on /Proposed decision (vote counts and comments are there as well)

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