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Psy guy's RfA

Page protection

Hello, Mysekurity. I've requested that door be unprotected. It was rather confusing because there was no message on the page about the protection at the top of the article, or anything indicating the protection in the edit history or talk page like there usually is. Also, I noticed that you protected 10 pages because of vandalism by the same user and I was wondering why you didn't block the user instead of protecting the pages. I'm not familiar with procedure for these things. Was there a reason that wasn't done instead? None of this should be taken as criticism, I'm just confused and curious. Thanks, Kjkolb 17:47, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

PWDS revision

I've revised the PWDS proposal so that it explicitly addresses the concern of too many edit wars, by stating that PWDS disputes should be sent to AfD. I believe this addresses your largest concern, and I hope we can get you back as a PWDS supporter. rspeer 16:44, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Your sig...

You do know that your sig takes up many, many lines of coding, right? Not that it really matters, just something you should be aware of:

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Cheers. --LV 21:45, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Oh, I am sorry, I never intended to make you change it. I thought it was kinda funny. Corey Hart... nice work. But what I don't get was you wanted to make everything black? Isn't it already black? what are you talking about? --LV 22:21, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Replied at user's talk page. -Mysekurity 22:33, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Theres another problem with your sig, ] I know your trying to get this to appear green, however by putting the ''''' inside of the font color tag, it nullifies the font color... to make it properly work it should read ]  ALKIVAR™ 01:11, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

I should clarify... this is only a fix for IE, it shows fine in FireFox.  ALKIVAR™ 01:13, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Gotcha and thanks (I love FireFox). If you wouldn't mind helping me with it a little bit, I'd really appreciate it. On an unrelated note, do you know anything about Javascript? -Mysekurity 05:59, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Soundtrack

Sorry for the lack of clarity, i did not actually help produce the soundtrack itself, but rather i run a server that distributes it over direct connect, irc, and bittorrent. Also thanks for the bit of advise on what exactly a Misplaced Pages article should be. I had no idea that there was so much controversy surrounding the original YTMND page, and if it was such a struggle to make it a permanent addition to the wikipedia collection, than i see why you flagged my soundtrack article. I'll see about adding the forum link to the orignal YTMND page, thanks again for helping me get a better understanding of wikipedia and for the welcome message, the links therein were extremely helpful. Your Master 18:09, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Neuro-linguistic programming

Thankyou for protecting the page. Hopefully we can resolve some disputes now :). I'm guessing it will be one section at time. Can you please keep this page on your watch list for a while to keep an eye on things? --Comaze 08:51, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

No problem, and no problem. How many days would you sugguest? Is this the best version to protect, or is there another? And yes, I'll watch the page. Happy editing, Mysekurity 12:22, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

User_talk:Voice_of_All(MTG) (neutral mediator) is the best person to about number of days and best version to protect. I need a little wiki break :) A few days "cooling off" will be useful, then I'm going to work with the other editors to see if we can reach consensus -- one section at a time :) --Comaze 15:12, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the lock. The version it's locked to is as good as any, Wiki policy says an administrator shouldnt unduly favor one version over another when locking so best leave "as is". The page is in arbitration now, and it now appears that almost all the "problem editors" are non-wikipedian meatpuppets and their sockpuppets, so might be best to leave it locked until arbitration's done. It'll only cause grief it it isn't. FT2 01:25, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Maybe youll hear me out.

Can anything be done about: User:Like Meat I Rot From The Inside Out he wrote "kiss my ass!" on my talk page, he makes useless contributions ,and he has a borderline offensive name.

Bibliotheca

Hi, Mysekurity.

I'm here because you're the admin who closed the discussion at AfD on this article. I nominated the article, one other person voted to delete, and then the author said he/she thought it was expandable. I wonder, on one hand, how you interpreted that as a "keep" result, and on the other hand, what's your opinion about the article? As far as I can tell, the content is nothing more than "Bibliotheca is another word for library, that some people use. It sounds like the German word for library." I don't see that there's much more to say, unless we want to comment that it also sounds like the Spanish word for library, and the Italian one, etc...

So, what should be done with such an article, if not deletion or tranwiki-ing? How long after something fails AfD before it can be nominated again? It seems to me it didn't accrue enough votes to really determine a consensus.

I thank you in advance for your reply. -GTBacchus 22:52, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your helpful reply. I ended up just rewriting the article, and I'll leave it as a stub for a while. Did you mean to reply on Chooserr's talk page and not on mine though? -GTBacchus 08:22, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

re: Topic deleted

I removed the line about Brian Peppers, an article that was extensively discussed, rediscussed and received solid community concensus for deletion each time. It is currently a discussion item on Misplaced Pages:Deletion review and, if the deletion is overturned there, it might become appropriate to add the line back. In the meantime, the arguments presented in the AFD and related discussions persuade me that it should not be mentioned in other articles either. I only removed the rest of the lines to clean up the format. I normally wouldn't have bothered except that I already had the edit open. Hope that helps. Rossami (talk) 07:18, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Shalom

Semite, get the fuck out of here. I will kill you, you son of a bitch if you don't leave wikipedia. If you tell anyone I said this to you, I will rape your jew family. Choke on a bagel, you faggoty hymie cock sucker. You better fucking die, before I hunt you down and piss on your face. If you get me blocked for this, I will find you and shoot you, I just want your jew fucking self gone, you dumb motherfucking piece of shit g-d damn jew. Die! Shalom. Isn't This Where...We Came In? 05:27, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Note: Usually I delete this kinda stuff on sight, but I really liked his use of profanity, and find it quite amusing. He's blocked indefinately (see the talk page), and tried to con this off as a bad edit, rather than blatant anti-semitism (I love the header). He's just earned the starting spot in my my very own /BJAODN page! Thanks! -Mysekurity 00:14, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

P.S. I love how he used "g-d", and all the jewish wording. I usually don't accept this, and it makes me laugh to think that he's probably some dork sitting in front of his computer in his parent's basement, which gives me pleasure. In the future, I'll delete this stuff as soon as I see it, but I really like this. -Mysekurity 00:14, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Semi-protect

Here is what I put on Jimbo's page: "I really like the idea of multiple layers of protection. We could have:

Open(no protection)

1. No Moves
2. Logged in Only
3. Logged in with edit count 25+
4. Logged in with edit count 500+(pretty much like protection, but non-admins can edit)
5. Protected

Numbers 2-4 are "semiprotection". This would VASTLY cut down on vandalism and would be no where NEAR as restrictive and anti-wiki as page protection. Can you get this implemented somehow? What developers could do this? Thank you."

I believe that 25 and 500 are good numbers for what they do. The 500 mark gets us past most maturity issues. If a person with 754 edit wars, we can block him. Sockpuppets are useless, as their edit count is too low. This is wonderful! I hope this gets through! This would greatly increase my confidence in Wiki.Voice of All 05:53, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Sure, it's a great idea in practice. But what do we say to users with under 25 or 500 edits? Where do we direct them to? I don't think 25 is too bad, but I think instead of 500, it should be more like 200 or 100, as that shows a good deal of maturity. Can you think of an example where you would want each of these semis implimented? -Mysekurity 12:18, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

I agree with your number of 100 edits. We can propose that instead of 500 :). Pages of high viewers and fairly high vandal rates(such as senator and representaive articles can get semiprotect 0 when needed. Things like George Bush need at least 25 on. In a few cases, 100 would be used, if 25 fails. But, yes, generally only semiprotect and semiprotect 25 would be used. I already made the semprotect/semiprotect25/semiprotect100 tags.Voice of All 13:00, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

I REALLY hope can get this through, I have been trying to push semi-protect for months now. I just want to see it implemented.Voice of All 13:19, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm in complete agrement over that. Do you think 25 is the most appropriate, or maybe 15/10? Also, I don't think the template should be shown at the top of the page in article reading mode, only in editing mode, eliminating any extra ugly template boxes. Only full protects would be shown, just as we do not show a box to say it has been protected against moves, it just doesn't allow regular users to move it. I am with you in wanting to get this acomplished as quickly as possible. Any thoughts? Additions to the old page? A new proposal page on WP/Meta? I await your thoughts (I see great potential here). -Mysekurity 00:29, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

I have looked at vandal and troll edit histories, and 25 is definitely right. And for this article, one editor with 21 edits that can't edit that spelling error for now is not much of a loss compared to the heavy vandalism. Also, they can leave talk page notes. I will keep pressig Jimbo on this(who has temporarily wiped his talk page for some reason) and Angela. I have yet to drop Angela a note.Voice of All 00:51, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Mind making Misplaced Pages:Semi-protection policy a redlink? Titoxd 04:37, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

You mean un-redlinked? And sure, I'd love to, just help me out, okay? -Mysekurity 05:09, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Done. -Mysekurity 05:29, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I meant blue-linked. My brain was in some weird place, I imagine... :P but yeah, I'll comment there. In fact, I have done so now. Titoxd 06:01, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Commander welcome

I was wondering how long Commander Keane bot's talk page would remain redlinked. I should have guessed a WP:ESP enthusiast would make a welcome! Thanks for the welcome, and congratulations on the adminship.--Commander Keane 06:33, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

WP:MIND

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Another recent edit made by you

I was looking at your user page and saw that the most recent milestone edit you made, 13000 (!!!), was to an anon's page as he was blocked. I noticed you were the only contributor, and I'm pretty sure a guy like you would know policy, but I thought I might just drop you a line in any case. On 2 November, 2005 you blocked that anon, but instead of posting a comment on his talk page, you posted it on his user page and (*GASP*) forgot to sign! Just thought you might like to correct that, so as not to get burned as a heretic by some other, less forgiving, users. Cheers and happy editing, Mysekurity 05:26, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me that, Mysekurity. Of all the times to mess up a routine procedure, it has to be a milestone! -- user:zanimum

Template:Lotvandal

Mysekurity, I'm sorry, but this template is actually being used. I've put it on TfD. You might want to userfy it or something. Speedily, if you like. I've removed it from George W. Bush and Muhammad already. This isn't personal, ok? -Splash 02:42, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

I just saw you in the edit history and remembered that you were involved in the discussion about the earlier template. I've dropped Voice of All a message too, because he did put in an article. By "actually being used" I meant that I thought it was ok to userfy if this was being used in semi-protect discussion somewhere because of your message on the template's talk page, but not ok for it to actually be in articles. (I also dropped the creator a line. I'd like to know how many variants of this are lurking on articles.)-Splash 02:50, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing that up, and sure. I don't really like the template, nor find it useful for articles, and only commented as I imagined it would be used for articles and therefore might be subject to vandalism/blanking. Thanks for checking the histories. I'll use a google search sometime later tonight to see what comes up. Thanks again, Mysekurity 04:30, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Sean Black RfA

Thank you very much for your support of my RfA. Thanks, in part, to you, I am now an Administrator, and I pledge to use my newfound powers for good rather than evil. Thanks again!--Sean|Black 07:08, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Wikimania 2006

Firstly, enjoy your Wikibreak; come back clear-headed and ready to edit! Second, I noticed you live in New England, and are a DJ (awesome!), and wondered if you've heard of Wikimania 2006, which is happening right here in our fair city of Boston. I know it's a few hours' drive from where you are, but if you could participate in IRC chats, or volunteer to help with Wikimania, we'd really appreciate it. I enjoy working with you, and look forward to seeing you in the future. Happy wikibreak, Mysekurity 02:44, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

P.S. I love the userpage! 02:44, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Now that i'm back from vacation... yeah I heard about this, if you'd looked on the Meta attendees list you'd have seen I was already on there... and if you looked on the volunteers list you'd see I was already on there too! :) I think I will be able to attend the December ??? meeting... If and when Jimbo settles on a date. Was there anything important that I missed in the 11/23 meeting?  ALKIVAR™ 08:41, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Edits to Essjay/wikibio

Per you edit summary at Essjay/wikibio, your edits are most certainly welcome to the page. I hope you will consider joing the Institute of Wikipediology, which maintains the wikibio project as a fellow and give permission for your own wikibio or edit and create ones for other users. Thanks. -JCarriker 20:04, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

ED

Did you take your "needs more cowbell" boilerplate from Encyclopedia Dramatica? (Cause I... um... used to write for them and created that template. Wow, small world. — Preceding unsigned comment added by No Parking (talk • contribs) 20:52, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Nope, sorry. I took it from another user's userspace, though I can't remember whom, to tell you the truth. The image was only {{fairuse}}, and thus, I couldn't use it on my user space, but I love that sketch so much. -Mysekurity 01:18, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

WP:AN

Well, it seems like the vandal attack has subsided now, so I don't think it is necessary anymore (the vandal probably ran out of IPs). However, if it restarts, I'd think protecting it might be warranted. Titoxd 00:27, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

How long do you think is appropriate? 15 mins, maybe? -Mysekurity 00:29, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

I'd say 15 minutes at most, although it is quite likely that by that time the vandal will have moved to another high-volume page (like SuperCool did, from WP:RFAr → WP:RFA → WP:VIP → WP:AN/I until he finally stopped). Titoxd 00:35, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Semiprotection

I like the idea of semi-protection, as it's clear the GWB page is 90% vandalism. I'd raise the threshold a bit more, like the old SPAT (Sock Puppet Avoidance Threshold) of old, of 25 or 50 edits. Fuzheado | Talk 05:59, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for asking me to weigh in. I'm really pressed for time and can't read the new talk you've created at the moment. May I suggest: check Jimbo's talk page and sum-up what user Ptb (I think it was) and I deduced regarding GWB vandalism %. Also, I've suggested a couple of times in a couple of places, that the page move restrictions seems the obvious template for semi-protection. If perhaps you'd like to start a poll (evil!) with that as the basis, vote on my behalf and let me know and I'll note it later. When I have real wiki-time I'll read back through this stuff. Marskell 20:47, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

"My Deal"

My deal is he wants to be left alone. If that's what he wants that's what he should get. You shouldn't tell him not to leave, he just wants to go, you're only being an asshole for doing so. Its only hindered by me? I'm sorry that I have so much effect on another human being that I make him leave by telling people not to bitch at him for leaving. I'm sorry I told people to just say goodluck with what you want to do, because I thought it was the right thing to do. Well I guess I was just wrong, sorry about that then. I've resigned from being an Esperanza member. I guess I overstayed my welcome at Esperanza and possibly, and probably wikipedia. Goodbye. Quentin Pierce 03:19, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm not going to pretend I am not upset by your actions, and I hope you enjoy your wikibreak, but please let me clarify before this goes too far. Essjay is leaving. We know that. That doesn't mean we don't want him to go, nor does it necessarily mean he wants to go either. The whole point of saying goodbye or extending hopes of swift return is simply courtesy. I want Essjay to stay, but I know he will most likely be leaving, and though it pains me, I have to accept that. By you saying to let him go in peace, it makes you sound like to care nothing for the man, and seems rather uncivil, which is not to say you meant it that way. Essjay was a great editor, and his leaving was and is a grave sadness in the community. It is not that we want to hassle him on his way out, we are all merely asking that he reconsider, and frankly, by you posting that comment, that would not make me feel welcome. A mind is very malleable, and we had hoped he might reconsider, once he saw how much the community cared for him. A comment like yours proves the opposite. I did not mean to attack you, but please understand how that would make you feel if I said "Private Butcher's leaving, who cares?" or "let's throw a party, as if nothing happened". It wouldn't make you feel too good, would it? I hope you enjoy your break, and fully look foreward to working with you upon your return. Happy editing, Mysekurity 04:24, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

I popped back for a quick second but yeah I know he was a great editor. I respect him very much, so much I don't think he should of been bothered. How is it uncivil? Other than calling people dicks, my overall point is a pinacle of civilness. I was taking Essjay's feelings into consideration. If I left wikipedia, I surely wouldn't want anyone telling me to come back. In fact I'd prefer people saying "Quentin Pierce left? Who is that?" or "Private Butcher's gone? Who cares?" over people saying "wikipedia is lost without you", you make this project seem like crap without some of these people. These people are important to the project yes, but the project will go on, and they'll be replaced by the new crop of people that are important to the project. One day you will leave, one day I will, one day there will be no wikipedians left that are around now. I'm sure we'll work fine together once we put this behind. I was just saying if he wants to return he will do it on his own accord and not on others. By let him go in peace I did at least tell people they should say goodbye and good luck, but I said they shouldn't hound him for leaving. You can show you cared about Essjay more if you let him go, then if you tell him to come back. Misplaced Pages will be fine without Essjay, no one user continues this project, we all do. So lets just keep this ship afloat. Sure the circumstances he left under were bad, but it happens. I'm sure he'll return one day at least, and catch up or something. When I leave wikipedia, whenever that may be, I'd be sure to return every so often. I've lost editors I've had must respect for. Gordon Watts for example, he left, and that's too bad, but I got over it, and wikipedia and life itself continues. Thank you for reading this all, now I'm going to enjoy the rest of my wikibreak. Cheers, matey. Quentin Pierce 23:38, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

New user box

Hello Mysekurity, It's SWD316. Im giving you the user box for your user page called Template:User Member. It's a user box that says your a member of the AWWDMBJ.... Hope you like it! SWD316 03:51, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Anvari

You changed the original British English of the article to U.S. English; why? --Phronima 11:27, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

In taking out the "was considered by many to be" I was trying to cut out the weasel words so that I could remove the template. It's true that saying outright that he was one of the greatest Persian poets expresses a point of view in one sense, but as the Misplaced Pages policy states: "The policy is easily misunderstood. It doesn't assume that writing an article from a single, unbiased, objective point of view is possible. Instead it says to fairly represent all sides of a dispute by not making articles state, imply, or insinuate that only one side is correct." I don't think that there's a dispute here, so that the claim is within NPoV. If there's significant (or any) disagreement as to his status, I agree that it ought to be mentioned, though. --Phronima 16:17, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

George W. Bush protection

Can you please remove the protection some of us want to actually help out — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.237.211.231 (talk • contribs) 02:28, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Unfortunately, there are a good deal of users who would rather vandalize the article than make good contributions to it. As much as I'd like to add to it, I'm not allowed as per our policy. If you try again tomorrow (copy the source of the article into a notepad document and edit it, which is what I've done in the past), we'd really appreciate any edits you make. Consider registering? -Mysekurity 06:35, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Hello, Mysekurity. I saw you re-protected Dubya again. I think it is not a good idea (I won't unprotect, though), because that allows the critics of semi-protection to say that we want to have the article permanently protected (which isn't true). Also, if the article is unprotected, it allows us to actually measure the rate of vandalism even more accurately. Several admins protested full protection on WP:AN, so ideally it should remain unprotected unless we have a severe vandal attack. Titoxd 06:32, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Allright, I looked over the history, and it's pretty much a couple times an hour....I'll unprotect it now, but we really have to light a fire under someone; Semi needs to go in place. -Mysekurity 06:35, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Before semi-protection can be placed, we need to figure out exactly what we want, then push the devs for it. So, ideally, we would need to sort out all the kinks in the policy, then set it out for an actual policy vote, and then, if it is accepted, cajole the devs into making it. Titoxd 06:38, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Sounds good, but do we really need to get specific with policy before we've actually tested it out? I think we should work out the technical issues, and then give it a run, followed by some assesment and policy-making. Agreed? -Mysekurity 06:40, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Post signing

Sorry, I didn't sign my post, all I did was change a few things, I didn't think I had to resign, because I signed it once before. In The Flesh?

"(rv (funny) vandalism)" is what you said in my userpage history. Is that really fair to anyone? All that does is make them want to continue vandalism. I just want to let you know I didn't appreciate seeing that, along with the vandalism I got. In The Flesh? 03:34, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for the apology, and if you feel bad, I wouldn't want you to. Because I was just trying to help you. Because if you said that to another user, they might of complained to someone, and this could of been worse for you. Thanks again for the apology. See we work well together, you tell me to sign with all four tildes and I tell you something that could keep you out of trouble. In The Flesh? 03:58, 4 December 2005 (UTC)